Naked Defeat AE/SE

[Burensc]

4 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Setting the defeat chance (and other things like naked falling, etc.) to zero should prevent ND from being anything but a SS++ outcome. You've no control over where you end up though. The only way to do that would be to use xEdit to delete the unwanted locations from the quest.

Thanks... I edited my op when you responded 

[Autogrand624]

Out of curiousity, do you plan on doing an OSTIM SA Port? A non SLAL version and compatible with Pandora/Nemesis instead of FNIS?
I am playing on Nolvus since i like my massive overhauls the ZAZ (sadly an SLAL) and FNIS do not work with Nolvus  .

I'd be totally down for using this version instead if there was a way to get FNIS to run for Nolvus. Or if i can get a MASSIVE Overhaul just as big as Nolvus, to replace it. So i'll take recommendations there too. I want to emphasize that I chose Nolvus because it changes so much of Skyrim, which i like since i've been playing for years lol.

[Talesien]

14 hours ago, Autogrand624 said:

Out of curiousity, do you plan on doing an OSTIM SA Port? A non SLAL version and compatible with Pandora/Nemesis instead of FNIS?
I am playing on Nolvus since i like my massive overhauls the ZAZ (sadly an SLAL) and FNIS do not work with Nolvus  .

I'd be totally down for using this version instead if there was a way to get FNIS to run for Nolvus. Or if i can get a MASSIVE Overhaul just as big as Nolvus, to replace it. So i'll take recommendations there too. I want to emphasize that I chose Nolvus because it changes so much of Skyrim, which i like since i've been playing for years lol.

ND works perfectly fine with Pandora, at least it does for me.
While I found it a bit too involved to modify Nolvus V6 to my tastes I tried it for a while and had no problems getting ZaZ to work, where do you encounter problems?

While I can't speak for Nymra, knowing what I know about him and ND I would wager that an Ostim version is not in the cards.

[JohnConquest12]

I'm trying to initiate surrender during combat but it says that I can't cause my followers are still fighting even though I dismissed all of them and don't have any in my party. I'm using this mod with Acheron bridge

[Dez65]

On 12/10/2025 at 7:14 PM, JohnConquest12 said:

it says that I can't cause my followers are still fighting even though I dismissed all of them and don't have any in my party.

I'm having exactly the same problem.  Iona is showing as Follower 1 in the Naked Defeat MCM, but I dismissed her.  I tried "set playerfollowercount to 0" but she's still listed in the ND MCM as a follower.  I'm using 5.291.

 

Any suggestions Nymra?

 

Thanks as always for your superb mod!

Edited December 12, 2025 by Dez65

[Dez65]

11 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

ollower 1 in the Naked Defeat MCM,

Tried the Alt-k wheel to update followers but that just moved Iona to position 2.  Weirdly, the feedback from updating followers is "Your current Naked Defeat followers: Empty," even though the MCM shows Iona as follower 2.

 

She's stuck in the crawling motion, in case that is diagnostic.

 

Thanks for any help Nymra.

Edited December 12, 2025 by Dez65

[Talesien]

2 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

Tried the Alt-k wheel to update followers but that just moved Iona to position 2.

 

She's stuck in the crawling motion, in case that is diagnostic.

If you dismissed here, why is she even there? Did you dismiss her after or in the middle of the fight? That's unlikely to work. If you did so, I suggest you return to a save before the fight.

[Dez65]

15 hours ago, Talesien said:

Did you dismiss her after or in the middle of the fight?

I didn't notice the issue until long after I'd dismissed her but I wouldn't have done so in the middle of a fight.  I'd had several other followers since her dismissal and only noticed the problem when I pressed "K" during a fight and got the notification that "a follow is still fighting."  Also, she's in slot 2 now after using Alt-K to try to dismiss her but I don't have a follower mod installed so I can't have more than one follower at once.

 

I'm at the very end of this game so I'll probably just deal with until I start a new game if I don't happen upon a solution.

 

Thanks for getting back to me.

[hyamblat]

I added this mod a few days ago in the time I've had it installed it has not activated correctly a single time. It fails to activate during combat but will randomly activate while I'm just wandering around town shopping or looting an empty cave. This mod needs debug options to just shut it the fuck down immediately and give all your shit back. That'd be mildly funny if it didn't take all your shit or there was a way to just make it stop, but the debug wheel that's supposed to pop up when you press alt + k doesn't appear, and disabling the mod through the MCM doesn't work either. In fact even loading an older save and immediately disabling the mod through MCM still triggers a defeat scenario and it's just as impossible to make it stop as before, so my entire save is broken and I'm pretty annoyed about that.

[Talesien]

12 hours ago, Dez65 said:

I didn't notice the issue until long after I'd dismissed her but I wouldn't have done so in the middle of a fight.  I'd had several other followers since her dismissal and only noticed the problem when I pressed "K" during a fight and got the notification that "a follow is still fighting."  Also, she's in slot 2 now after using Alt-K to try to dismiss her but I don't have a follower mod installed so I can't have more than one follower at once.

 

I'm at the very end of this game so I'll probably just deal with until I start a new game if I don't happen upon a solution.

 

Thanks for getting back to me.

Hmm, never tried without NFF, not sure Nymra ever tested it without any Followerframework either. So perhaps it's just not working too well with the pure vanilla follower system (which indeed isn't working too well to start with).

[Talesien]

17 minutes ago, hyamblat said:

I added this mod a few days ago in the time I've had it installed it has not activated correctly a single time. It fails to activate during combat but will randomly activate while I'm just wandering around town shopping or looting an empty cave. This mod needs debug options to just shut it the fuck down immediately and give all your shit back. That'd be mildly funny if it didn't take all your shit or there was a way to just make it stop, but the debug wheel that's supposed to pop up when you press alt + k doesn't appear, and disabling the mod through the MCM doesn't work either. In fact even loading an older save and immediately disabling the mod through MCM still triggers a defeat scenario and it's just as impossible to make it stop as before, so my entire save is broken and I'm pretty annoyed about that.

While ND certainly has its shares of bugs and problems, no one else ever reported the problems you got. As such, I'm pretty sure you either have another mod interfering or you made an error during installation.
Did you try changing the hotkey and see if that brings up the debug menu? Not that it's going to do you any good, given how broken things appear to be in your game.

[hyamblat]

39 minutes ago, Talesien said:

While ND certainly has its shares of bugs and problems, no one else ever reported the problems you got. As such, I'm pretty sure you either have another mod interfering or you made an error during installation.
Did you try changing the hotkey and see if that brings up the debug menu? Not that it's going to do you any good, given how broken things appear to be in your game.

I did try changing the key (edit: I should mention that I appreciate that this mod uses the same key for multiple functions, too many mods seem to think they deserve a dozen keys which cannot be unbound), it didn't fix nuthin. It's probably to some (greater or lesser (almost certainly (very definitely) greater)) extent my fault, and I'm aware of that, my gripe is that it borked my save completely and retroactively. The problems I experienced up until now were minor and were kinda funny, so I planned on sorting it out later during one of my periodic troubleshooting passes, or at least continuing to a point I would consider a leaving off point then make a new save. This mod broke my save retroactively, that's not normal, in fact I've been modding Bethesda games for nearly 20 years and this has happened to me so few times that I can't think of another time it's happened, although it probably has. In hindsight I probably shouldn't have deleted my save files, but I have already done so. If there is some log that gets dumped to my MO2 overwrite folder I could check for that. There should be a debug option in the MCM menu to just end the current event and interrupt the scripts for the mod. The debug wheel (which I have not seen and do not know what options it contains) relies on things you don't know are working, while the mod doesn't even start on its own, so you know MCM is working. Software should fail gracefully, and part of that is not relying on things working to fail properly. 

Edited December 14, 2025 by hyamblat

[JohnConquest12]

19 hours ago, Dez65 said:

I didn't notice the issue until long after I'd dismissed her but I wouldn't have done so in the middle of a fight.  I'd had several other followers since her dismissal and only noticed the problem when I pressed "K" during a fight and got the notification that "a follow is still fighting."  Also, she's in slot 2 now after using Alt-K to try to dismiss her but I don't have a follower mod installed so I can't have more than one follower at once.

 

I'm at the very end of this game so I'll probably just deal with until I start a new game if I don't happen upon a solution.

 

Thanks for getting back to me.

did you ever find a solution? I checked my ND mcm but i don't have any followers listed and it's still giving me that message. I tried the set followers to 0 command but that didn't work either

[Dez65]

6 hours ago, JohnConquest12 said:

did you ever find a solution? I

I disabled the ND plugin, made a new save and then cleaned it using Resaver.  I re-enabled ND and the ND MCM now reports no followers.  Haven't actually tested if ND's defeat outcomes are working yet, but I let you know.

 

Talesien posted that Nymra never tested ND without a follower framework, suggesting that that may explain our issues.  Are you using a follower framework like NFF?

[Talesien]

16 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

I disabled the ND plugin, made a new save and then cleaned it using Resaver.  I re-enabled ND and the ND MCM now reports no followers.  Haven't actually tested if ND's defeat outcomes are working yet, but I let you know.

 

Talesien posted that Nymra never tested ND without a follower framework, suggesting that that may explain our issues.  Are you using a follower framework like NFF?

Actually, I stated I don't know if he ever did. I could easily see that being the case though. I know I never tried it without NFF.

[Dez65]

7 hours ago, JohnConquest12 said:

did you ever find a solution?

Starting with a Resaver clean save seems to have worked.  The defeat scenario played through a death scene.

[eldr3d]

Great mod, the best defeat experience I've had so far! I'd really like to be able to Crawl slightly faster though, even if the animation might look weird. The new SLP+ can speed up animations, that could fix that potentially. Either way I'd be happy if I could set the speedmult just a little higher.

[JohnConquest12]

4 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Starting with a Resaver clean save seems to have worked.  The defeat scenario played through a death scene.

Oof, resaver has casued me issues in the past. I'll try it anyway and if it fails, oh well. I'll start new game #286

Edited December 14, 2025 by JohnConquest12

[Dez65]

On 12/14/2025 at 8:25 AM, Talesien said:

Actually, I stated I don't know if he ever did.

Sorry, I should have more clearly relayed what you said.  

[Arara]

Hi everyone. I started playing Skyrim again a few weeks ago and I'm finishing up my mod list. I liked the idea of this mod, but to be honest, not completely. What I didn't like were the options for Captivity and Whipping. At first, it seems cool, but after a while it gets extremely boring. I'd like to know if it's possible to keep the other features of this mod, such as public punishment, combat stripping, traveling/swimming naked, but completely disable defeat and its consequences, leaving that to SL Defeat. I've already managed to do this, but for some reason, every time I'm defeated and SL Defeat handles it, my character gets bugged and I can no longer control it. Another piece of information to add is that I disabled ND through MCM and this bug stopped happening.

 

Here some screenshots from my options in ND:

 

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I've changed the Defeat change (On Strip) to 0% already

 

As for the SL Defeat (I'm using the Baka Edition), here are the options:

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Thanks in advance!

Edited December 16, 2025 by Arara

[Talesien]

On 12/16/2025 at 2:30 AM, Arara said:

Hi everyone. I started playing Skyrim again a few weeks ago and I'm finishing up my mod list. I liked the idea of this mod, but to be honest, not completely. What I didn't like were the options for Captivity and Whipping. At first, it seems cool, but after a while it gets extremely boring. I'd like to know if it's possible to keep the other features of this mod, such as public punishment, combat stripping, traveling/swimming naked, but completely disable defeat and its consequences, leaving that to SL Defeat. I've already managed to do this, but for some reason, every time I'm defeated and SL Defeat handles it, my character gets bugged and I can no longer control it. Another piece of information to add is that I disabled ND through MCM and this bug stopped happening.

 

Here some screenshots from my options in ND:

 

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I've changed the Defeat change (On Strip) to 0% already

 

As for the SL Defeat (I'm using the Baka Edition), here are the options:

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Thanks in advance!

Theoretically, that should work, at least from the ND side. No idea bout the Defeat side. It certainly works for Acheron with those settings. Given that, it appears that Defeat lets something through that triggers ND in some way, no idea how or what, however.
You could experiment with disabling more functions from ND one by one and try to find what is getting triggered by Defeat.

Edited December 17, 2025 by Talesien

[deeyock]

  

I'm trying to use SLU+ or SL P+, and either one throws errors. If I use SL P+ it says "sexlabutil.dll missing", and if I use SLU+ I get a bunch of tag errors, then repeated errors of "SUM cannot find it system.json" and "DDe cannot find it's system.json".  Here is my load order with SLU+. Any help would be appreciated.
 

Quote

#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name
"0000","+","DLC: HearthFires"
"0001","+","DLC: Dragonborn"
"0002","+","DLC: Dawnguard"
"0003","+","Creation Club: ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode"
"0004","+","Creation Club: ccBGSSSE037-Curios"
"0005","+","Creation Club: ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS"
"0006","+","Creation Club: ccBGSSSE001-Fish"
"0007","+","Creation Club: _ResourcePack"
"0008","+","Skip Intro"
"0009","+","Alternate Start - Live Another Life - SSE"
"0010","+","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch - USSEP"
"0011","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-"
"0012","+","Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - FNIS SE"
"0013","+","FNIS Creatures SE 7.6"
"0014","+","FNIS Spells SE 7.0"
"0015","+","RaceMenu"
"0016","+","CBPC - Physics with Collisions"
"0017","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio"
"0018","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended"
"0019","+","CBBE 3BA"
"0020","+","(Grimlook33) Night Prowler Bodysuit"
"0021","+","(YS) Artoria Pendragon - SMP BHUNP - CBBE-3BA-3BBB-TBD"
"0022","+","SkyUI"
"0023","+","Remodeled Armor SE - CBBE 3BA"
"0024","+","JContainers SE"
"0025","+","Address Library for SKSE Plugins"
"0026","+","ConsoleUtilSSE NG"
"0027","+","KS Hairdos - HDT SMP (Physics)"
"0028","+","PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions"
"0029","+","3BA Collision Bodyslides for KS Hairdos - HDT SMP (Physics)"
"0030","+","Nordic Faces - FaceGen - BSA"
"0031","+","FNIS Sexy Move SE"
"0032","+","Noble Elegance - CBBE 3BA And UNP Female Skin Textures"
"0033","+","Faster HDT-SMP"
"0034","+","UIExtensions"
"0035","+","The New Gentleman"
"0036","+","LoversLab"
"0037","+","SexLabFrameworkAE_v"
"0038","-","SexLab Framework PPLUS"
"0039","+","SLAL_SE"
"0040","+","Patched SE SL TOOLS Updated"
"0041","-","SexLabArousedSSELoose"
"0042","+","MoreNastyCrittersSE"
"0043","+","CreatureFrameworkV"
"0044","+","SexLabMatchMaker"
"0045","+","CreatureSummoner_MNCSEv"
"0046","-","BakaFactory Animated Beasts Cocks"
"0047","+","Billyy's SLAL Animations 9.7"
"0048","+","ZAZpatch"
"0049","+","Mfg Fix"
"0050","+","Anubs Animations"
"0051","+","Open Animation Replacer"
"0052","+","Paired Animation Improvements"
"0053","+","Devious Devices for SE-AE-VR"
"0054","+","Skyrim - Utility Mod AE"
"0055","+","Devious Devices - Equip AE"
"0056","+","Simple Mod Item Spawner -Alternative To AddItemMenu for AE VR or SE"
"0057","+","Glasses Pack Vol.1"
"0058","+","OSL Aroused"
"0059","+","Scrab's Papyrus Extender"
"0060","+","SLAL Animations by Leito v1.6"
"0061","+","MilkySLAL"
"0062","+","ZaZ Animation Pack 3BA V.8.0Enderal SE"
"0063","+","Naked Defeat"
"0064","-","Automated SLSB Conversions 0.9d"
"0065","+","Animation Limit Crash Fix SSE"
"0066","+","Backported Extended ESL Support"
"0067","+","SexLab Utility Plus"

 

[GownTwiceItself691764]

has anyone tried naked defeat with the following stress mods and can report your findings?:
Shades of Mortality - Death Alternative SKSE

Stages of Suffering - An SKSE Death Alternative

Stress and Fear - A Dynamic Sanity System

[RudyJohn]

Hello, 

I have problem with aftermath section. After defeat and sex scene, I am not sold via Simple Slavery (even when i have 100% of being sold via SimpleSlavery). There is always just note: "They let you go in you sorry state" (or something similar). Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?

 

PS: Also being locked in restraint device after sex doensť work (not DD but ZAP).

[Talesien]

13 hours ago, GownTwiceItself691764 said:

has anyone tried naked defeat with the following stress mods and can report your findings?:
Shades of Mortality - Death Alternative SKSE

Stages of Suffering - An SKSE Death Alternative

Stress and Fear - A Dynamic Sanity System

Didn't test any of those, but it's pretty save to predict that using two mods that trigger on 0HP/bleedout, etc. is going to cause havoc. Those mods appear skse based, so will likely go first (simply because papyrus takes slightly longer to recognize the players state and react to it). So they will already have started when ND fires. Best case you get the effects of that mod applied, then ND fires and runs normally. Worst case you get stuck in limbo with an unreactive game/PC and need to restart.
As a rule of thumb, two death alternative mods will always be somewhat incompatible with each other. Is some cases you might be able to work around it, but be prepared for things to go catastrophically wrong.
Worse, you might not even be able to apply results from other peoples game to yours, due to subtle differences in settings or not to subtle differences in hardware or LO. The reason being that, by using two Death Alternative mods, you are essentially creating a race condition. The result will likely depend on which mod wins and by perhaps even by what margin. All the aforementioned differences can contribute to changing that outcome between two peoples setups.