Naked Defeat AE/SE

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, nopse0 said:

Yes, will do so. Just one idea I had, you said "but don't work during sex", this could be it, maybe ND missed the end of a sex scene.

 

Edit:  DHLP-Suspend: False

 

Papyrus.0.log.7z 13.82 kB · 2 downloads

 

yeh, the log shows nothing, hmm.

 

wait for the next version and check if the update just fixes it. if not, come back to me and we dig deeper

[Wafuu]

9 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

its kinda weird that you are ported, that should not happen. 

 

or do you mean like you wake up in an inn?

Nope i either teleport nearby or just stand up right where i was, it doesnt trigger any consequences

[nopse0]

5 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

yeh, the log shows nothing, hmm.

 

wait for the next version and check if the update just fixes it. if not, come back to me and we dig deeper

The action key (incl. SHIFT+ALT) worked again after the next defeat (triggered by public punishment), but after that, the public punishment tracking stopped (can be reenabled though by disabling and enabling ND in System). It seems to stop each time after a defeat.

 

Just wanted to say, even though I am nagging all the time, ND made a really big step over the last years, it reliably intercepts player death, and the public punishment feature is absolutely great, much fun . Would be great, if you can improve the stability even more, as you already did. Maybe a debug feature to reset things, which aren't working anymore, would also be very nice.

[jariabila]

@Nymra Last time i write about crawling animation bug in SLP+ discord. Today i had time to test more. It seems furnitures working now but its not stable, sometimes its working sometimes its not. Also sometimes my character stuck in crawling position after escape.  Whipping also seems working correctly. 

 

Here is a video with papylog (i crop video for better file size)

 

https://streamable.com/u6rtzx

Papyrus.0.log

[JuliusXX]

I saw this in the WIP part:

 

    Devious Enchanted Chests perfect in conjunction with Naked Loot option. I m also building a Trap system that requires Devious Chests, but its still WIP.

 

There is a newer mod Devious Curses NG which sounds interesting. I have used DEC for quite some time and I haven't tested this Devious Curses NG yet but could this be an option for DEC?

[Nymra]

29 minutes ago, jariabila said:

@Nymra Last time i write about crawling animation bug in SLP+ discord. Today i had time to test more. It seems furnitures working now but its not stable, sometimes its working sometimes its not. Also sometimes my character stuck in crawling position after escape.  Whipping also seems working correctly. 

 

Here is a video with papylog (i crop video for better file size)

 

https://streamable.com/u6rtzx

Papyrus.0.log 290.17 kB · 0 downloads

 

quick answer, need to check the rest later:

 

it seems to me that you are not crawling. 

this could be the effect of a mod that changes your aniamtions based on your health/stamina. check those first. 

at least in the log the crawling shut down correctly. also these dont look like the crawl anims that come with NADE

[Nymra]

11 minutes ago, JuliusXX said:

I saw this in the WIP part:

 

    Devious Enchanted Chests perfect in conjunction with Naked Loot option. I m also building a Trap system that requires Devious Chests, but its still WIP.

 

There is a newer mod Devious Curses NG which sounds interesting. I have used DEC for quite some time and I haven't tested this Devious Curses NG yet but could this be an option for DEC?

 

Devious Curses messes with a lot of things and I try to avoid those mods. DBchests just does what it does. 
I might have a close look at Devious Curses at one point, but its not high on the list currently...
 

Also it seems incompatible with Naked Defeats public punishment at least if you cannot turn that feature off in Devious Curses. 

[jariabila]

49 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

quick answer, need to check the rest later:

 

it seems to me that you are not crawling. 

this could be the effect of a mod that changes your aniamtions based on your health/stamina. check those first. 

at least in the log the crawling shut down correctly. also these dont look like the crawl anims that come with NADE

 

 

Yeah crawling not an issue this time. Only issue was after the escape my character is stuck. Didnt had this before but probably its a rare thing. Everything works good as far as. Just im wondering if you thinking to make things little bit faster? I mean reaction times and blur screen times etc. Cuz i took that faster in and out feeling with P+ and i want everything fast as that lol.

[Nymra]

4 minutes ago, jariabila said:

Yeah crawling not an issue this time. Only issue was after the escape my character is stuck. Didnt had this before but probably its a rare thing. Everything works good as far as. Just im wondering if you thinking to make things little bit faster? I mean reaction times and blur screen times etc. Cuz i took that faster in and out feeling with P+ and i want everything fast as that lol.

 

"Stuck" how?

In the video you just seem to have too little stamina. can you try to heal up via console in that situation?

 

Also there are some new, rare camera and control bugs in SE compared to LE.

One of them can be "resolved" by drawing a weapon and make a left and/or right attack.

 

 

Faster?
No
You are punished for failing in combat. 

I dont see why your rapers would be in a hurry.

But on my ToDo list are some config.json options for some of the "Wait" Timers in the mod but well... no promises.

 

I mean in the video everything works very fast?

 

[jariabila]

20 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

"Stuck" how?

In the video you just seem to have too little stamina. can you try to heal up via console in that situation?

 

Also there are some new, rare camera and control bugs in SE compared to LE.

One of them can be "resolved" by drawing a weapon and make a left and/or right attack.

 

 

Faster?
No
You are punished for failing in combat. 

I dont see why your rapers would be in a hurry.

But on my ToDo list are some config.json options for some of the "Wait" Timers in the mod but well... no promises.

 

I mean in the video everything works very fast?

 

 

Yeah, its pretty fast actually if you consider there are lots of stuff happening like punishment, furniture stuff.  Went from YK to ND and which i used to it but since YK was only sex scenes and the end, considering again ND is pretty fast. At the end my character ends on knee but yeah lots of debuff i got there, will try again.

[Nymra]

14 minutes ago, jariabila said:

ty fast actually if you consider there are lots of stuff happening like punishment, furniture stuff.  Went from YK to ND and which i used to it but since YK was only sex scenes and the end, considering again ND is pretty fast. At the end my character ends on knee but yeah lots of debuff i got there, will try again.

 

Naked Defeat does not apply any debuffs, but in certain situations it issues stamian damage (primarily to trigger WetFunction Redux to make you sweat!) but if you dont use Stamian Regen (which many seem to do), this might be an issue. 
I might add a "regenerate in full" after the escape... if you want debuffs, you can always use mods for that. 

 

[jariabila]

41 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

Naked Defeat does not apply any debuffs, but in certain situations it issues stamian damage (primarily to trigger WetFunction Redux to make you sweat!) but if you dont use Stamian Regen (which many seem to do), this might be an issue. 
I might add a "regenerate in full" after the escape... if you want debuffs, you can always use mods for that. 

 

 

I meant other mods debuff, such as survival mods. Maybe that was the issue. But i tried another new game, with full health, such same thing happended. ND stuff ended, my character ends up on her knees, stuck in that position.  Here is another log if you want to check. Look at the end since i quited game when that happens. 

Papyrus.0.log

[Nymra]

2 hours ago, jariabila said:

 

I meant other mods debuff, such as survival mods. Maybe that was the issue. But i tried another new game, with full health, such same thing happended. ND stuff ended, my character ends up on her knees, stuck in that position.  Here is another log if you want to check. Look at the end since i quited game when that happens. 

Papyrus.0.log 1.73 MB · 0 downloads

 

do you have Deviously Helpless installed and running? 
I think it wont do well with Naked Defeat. At least its not tested at all.

 

Helpless has some log entires stating 
[04/21/2025 - 08:47:10PM] [Helpless]: Resuming scenes, called from: [nade_configquest_scr <nade_ConfigQuest (B30012C5)>], (Naked Defeat)

this at least could be a hint.
Other than that: the crawl scenes from your video are not from naked defeat. so if you did not replace them with others, the issue is most likely not from naked defeat.

Also, your health was full, but also your stamina? 

[Ijustwannabeatit]

Hello,

 

Im getting

#ERROR no agressor nerby

Nobody there to fuck you

 

despite having agressors right next to me

[Nymra]

40 minutes ago, Ijustwannabeatit said:

Hello,

 

Im getting

#ERROR no agressor nerby

Nobody there to fuck you

 

despite having agressors right next to me

 

papyrus.0.log 

 

also wait for next version, I m uploading it soon. 

[Miss Sophia]

This is one broken mod.

[jariabila]

13 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

do you have Deviously Helpless installed and running? 
I think it wont do well with Naked Defeat. At least its not tested at all.

 

Helpless has some log entires stating 
[04/21/2025 - 08:47:10PM] [Helpless]: Resuming scenes, called from: [nade_configquest_scr <nade_ConfigQuest (B30012C5)>], (Naked Defeat)

this at least could be a hint.
Other than that: the crawl scenes from your video are not from naked defeat. so if you did not replace them with others, the issue is most likely not from naked defeat.

Also, your health was full, but also your stamina? 

 

No i dont use Deviouslu Helpless. I only have DD NG (but its not 0.4 which is most recent version, its 0.39 since 0.4 requires new game and didnt abandoned my current save yet). Maybe updating DD NG solve issues. 

 

Btw i also have crawling animation yeah, its https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/123285 , which is from KRZP. I also used your "Naked Defeat - EXTRA - OAR Crawl Animations". But tbh i dont know which animation was playing, since didnt checked animation log, but your crawling animation has way higher priority then KRZP's one.

Edited April 22, 2025 by jariabila

[Talesien]

18 hours ago, Nymra said:

Devious Curses messes with a lot of things and I try to avoid those mods.

Glashaus? Steine? 😁

[Guest]

modsfire is on LL's list of sites barred from downloads

 

 any other sources for a complete 3BA update to zaz?

[Nymra]

5 hours ago, Talesien said:

Glashaus? Steine? 😁

 

naaah, wrong direction
I mean I avoid those mods because its alot of work to make them fit with... other mods that mess with a lot of things like.... clearly not this mod ^^

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, RandomKhajiit said:

modsfire is on LL's list of sites barred from downloads

 

 any other sources for a complete 3BA update to zaz?

 

I added the links talesien brought up to some of the 3BA addons in the zap support thread

[Nymra]

6 hours ago, jariabila said:

 

No i dont use Deviouslu Helpless. I only have DD NG (but its not 0.4 which is most recent version, its 0.39 since 0.4 requires new game and didnt abandoned my current save yet). Maybe updating DD NG solve issues. 

 

Btw i also have crawling animation yeah, its https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/123285 , which is from KRZP. I also used your "Naked Defeat - EXTRA - OAR Crawl Animations". But tbh i dont know which animation was playing, since didnt checked animation log, but your crawling animation has way higher priority then KRZP's one.

 

my crawling animation is tied to a "CrawlFaction" from Naked Defeat which is applied and removed via function. 
in your game, the log says the "Crawl" is turned OFF correctly, but if you want you can check your PC for that faction if it still persists. (sometimes it still appears as "Rank -1" which, afaik, is as good as not having that faction at all). 

And yes, it looks like those animations from krzps mod. 
What are the conditions for those to be applied? maybe they stuck around for reasons? 
they replace bleedout anims, but how? if the condition is somehow not "removed" due to naked defeats bleedout management that could be a cause. 

Edited April 22, 2025 by Nymra

[Nymra]

7 hours ago, Miss Sophia said:

This is one broken mod.

 

broken by bugs or broken by... mind lol 

probably both, dayum! 

[Miss Sophia]

3 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

broken by bugs or broken by... mind lol 

probably both, dayum! 

yes both

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, Miss Sophia said:

yes both

 

also working hard on both

I make it sicker by adding more bugs

but at least on AE I find new solutions for old problems. 
creating new problems in the process...