Naked Defeat AE/SE

[crajjjj]

Slate is terribly slow. 5 min per 1000 actions on my i7. 

[Lenore]

What exactly is a SLATE mod?

[Dez65]

Just checking here to see if I've figured out why I was experiencing CTDs on save.

 

This seemed to start out of no where, as I had not added anything and was well into an otherwise completely stable game.  I loaded an Autosave from a Rest (which I should know better not to do).  Since a Rest save opens before the rest, I immediately selected rest (I have Go to Bed installed).  The game CTDd.

 

When I reloaded, I immediately tried to rest again with the same result.  Eventually, I figured out it wasn't resting, it was saving that was causing the CTD.   My crash log pointed to SKSE, which led some other folks I asked to suggest disabling plugin dlls one by one until I identified the culprit.  My process was to disable the mod with the dll, load and immediately try to save, which crashed the game every time.

 

Then I noticed that if I waited a few minutes after the game loaded, I could save.  I experimented with how long I had to wait and noticed that I only had to wait until I got the notification "Fast Travel Enabled" and about which NPCs were being tracked by this mod.

 

I've been using your amazing mod for a very long time but never noticed this before, mainly because I don't usually save as soon as the game loads.  I guess my question is, is it known that saving before ND completes its loading process will cause a crash?

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, crajjjj said:

Slate is terribly slow. 5 min per 1000 actions on my i7. 

 

final goal is still SexlabP+, but I want this to work on other environments too. 
I initially worked with "GetAnimationByName" from Sexlab  but thats extremely clunky and has other issues
Slate is just the best solution.

 

2 minutes ago, Lenore said:

What exactly is a SLATE mod?

 

Its linked in "Semi Hard Requirements". 

Its a mod that allows adding new Tags to existing and registered Sex Animations. 
Osmel did the heavy lifting, correcting over 3000 tags (some wrong, some missing).

For Naked Defeat I made some tags to simulate "Foreplay" and soon also the "Execution" Scenarios. 

Without Slate, the furniture animations (XCross, Stockade, Pillory etc.) would have only half the animations available.

For example Anubs has not tagged his "Stockade" Animation (Anubs Fuckmachine) with the correct "Stockade" Tag. 
 

[Nymra]

5 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

Just checking here to see if I've figured out why I was experiencing CTDs on save.

 

This seemed to start out of no where, as I had not added anything and was well into an otherwise completely stable game.  I loaded an Autosave from a Rest (which I should know better not to do).  Since a Rest save opens before the rest, I immediately selected rest (I have Go to Bed installed).  The game CTDd.

 

When I reloaded, I immediately tried to rest again with the same result.  Eventually, I figured out it wasn't resting, it was saving that was causing the CTD.   My crash log pointed to SKSE, which led some other folks I asked to suggest disabling plugin dlls one by one until I identified the culprit.  My process was to disable the mod with the dll, load and immediately try to save, which crashed the game every time.

 

Then I noticed that if I waited a few minutes after the game loaded, I could save.  I experimented with how long I had to wait and noticed that I only had to wait until I got the notification "Fast Travel Enabled" and about which NPCs were being tracked by this mod.

 

I've been using your amazing mod for a very long time but never noticed this before, mainly because I don't usually save as soon as the game loads.  I guess my question is, is it known that saving before ND completes its loading process will cause a crash?

 

the only thing that I know that ND could "Possibly" make Skyrim crash is when I upload LE meshes accidently and you equip them in the game. 
THink that happened once years ago. 

I dont know of any other causes. 

So TLDR: no 

 

 

[Dez65]

15 minutes ago, Nymra said:

So TLDR: no 

Very weird because I've experimented many times and I crash if I save before the ND notifications, but not if I wait until after.  

 

Must be something else then, although its no big issue not to save immediately on load so I'm not going to try to track it down unless something else happens.

 

I was using version 5 with the 5.1 patch.  I see that you updated to 5.25 yesterday so I must have missed a few updates.  I also note that you list BIS Renewed as a Semi - Hard requirement.  I use regular BIS because BIS Renewed will only clean PAF dirt from PFA, which tends to cause freeze ups for me.  Will 5.25 work with ordinary BIS?

Edited April 13, 2025 by Dez65

[kupa11]

Can I have sexlab defeat with this mod, but with it's mechanics turned off just for the npc submission option? Or will it make the mod stop working?

[Dez65]

11 minutes ago, kupa11 said:

Can I have sexlab defeat with this mod, but with it's mechanics turned off just for the npc submission option? Or will it make the mod stop working?

Hi - I use Defeat and just disable Player Rapes, which is what is suggested in the description.

 

"Sexlab Defeat - does the same thing (I m working on a compatibility bridge mod tho)
recommended to disable "NPC rapes Player" in Sexlab Defeat. This should suffice. "

Edited April 13, 2025 by Dez65

[Nymra]

18 minutes ago, kupa11 said:

Can I have sexlab defeat with this mod, but with it's mechanics turned off just for the npc submission option? Or will it make the mod stop working?

 

you can do that.

[Nymra]

29 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

Very weird because I've experimented many times and I crash if I save before the ND notifications, but not if I wait until after.  

 

Must be something else then, although its no big issue not to save immediately on load so I'm not going to try to track it down unless something else happens.

 

tons of stuff happens "On Load", since every mod is loading its stuff back up. 
I never even had the idea of saving directly after loading. 
Naked Defeats Message can just be an indicator that you waited "long enough" for your game to not blow up on save anymore. 

 

29 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

I was using version 5 with the 5.1 patch.  I see that you updated to 5.25 yesterday so I must have missed a few updates.  I also note that you list BIS Renewed as a Semi - Hard requirement.  I use regular BIS because BIS Renewed will only clean PAF dirt from PFA, which tends to cause freeze ups for me.  Will 5.25 work with ordinary BIS?

 

BiS is still registered and should still also work (detecting dirt and cleaning). Mods have different ESP names so NaDe can easily see which one is installed. 

[Dez65]

4 minutes ago, Nymra said:

I never even had the idea of saving directly after loading. 

Yeah, it was only through the weird set of circumstances I described that I ran into the problem (which explains the too long post).   I happened to see a post by someone else trying to troubleshoot a "CTD on save" problem who mentioned they could save if the waited a few minutes after loading (they were probably testing the same way I was), which led me to try that.   I was so happy to see that it worked cuz I had been painstakingly doing a brute force conflicts check on an otherwise stable game.

 

Installed 5.25 and the hotfix.  

 

Thanks Nymra for all of your incredible work on this amazing mod!

[Dez65]

So sorry for the multiple posts today!  I'm having trouble finding NCK30 SLAL animations.   The link I found using Google (https://www.loverslab.com/topic/107275-nck30-animations) can't be found on LL.

 

Same with Psyche SLAL.

Edited April 13, 2025 by Dez65

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, Dez65 said:

So sorry for the multiple posts today!  I'm having trouble finding NCK30 SLAL animations.   The link I found using Google (https://www.loverslab.com/topic/107275-nck30-animations) can't be found on LL.

 

Same with Psyche SLAL.

 

you need to use your informal sources for those sadly. 
Be nice to creators

(not having them is not critical tho) 

Edited April 13, 2025 by Nymra

[sissyslave45]

hey I cannot seem to get the mcm to work when i die animations and things work however i just cannot get to the mcm I tried the steps but could not figure out why it wornt show any ideas?

 

[Nymra]

37 minutes ago, sissyslave45 said:

hey I cannot seem to get the mcm to work when i die animations and things work however i just cannot get to the mcm I tried the steps but could not figure out why it wornt show any ideas?

 

 

you did not do all the step because I dont see a papyrus.0.log uploaded to the thread. 

This is the latest FAQ for this issue (try Menu Maid 2 maybe, its a new suggestion from Crajjj)

On a running Game or if Step 0 fails: 
1. open console, type “ski_configmanagerinstance 1” (without “)
2. put Naked Defeat.esp towards the end (last) of your ESP Load Order
3. on a running game, travel around (fast travel) a bit, save and reload the game
4. install Jaxonz MCM Kicker SE - follow the instructions (it also can take its time, wait 5-10 minutes to be really sure). 
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/36801
5. install Menu Maid 2 (Jaxonz MCM Kicker not needed for this, better remove it again before this step) 
Menu Maid 2 -- MCM > Maintenance - read the descriptions.
 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/67556
6. make sure you have a healthy Load Order of mods that works well and other mods all show up.
7. if all that fails, enable papyrus logging, start the game and if MCM not shows up, upload the 
papyrus.0.log in the support thread. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/articles/368

Edited April 13, 2025 by Nymra

[crajjjj]

no need for the kicker. it's built in - maintenance tab

[sissyslave45]

honastly i hate using vortex but i cant figure out how to use mod organizer any recomendations because im bout to give up on trying to get this sheet to work

[Nymra]

13 minutes ago, sissyslave45 said:

honastly i hate using vortex but i cant figure out how to use mod organizer any recomendations because im bout to give up on trying to get this sheet to work

 

did you try all the steps? did you try menu maid? did you make a papyrus.0.log?

for MO2 there are many tutorials. With always interesting voices ^^

Note that switching to MO2 alone might not automatically resolve the MCM issue. 
 

 

Edited April 13, 2025 by Nymra

[sissyslave45]

update i can get the mcm to work on mo2 but not vortex

 

[Talesien]

17 minutes ago, sissyslave45 said:

update i can get the mcm to work on mo2 but not vortex

 

Given that the ModManager has zero direct influence on the MCM this suggests it's either a mod order problem or (assuming for a second that you did not install 100% the same LO in both MO2) a collision with another mod that is not or not in the same version present now. (Or both of course.) Anyway glad you got it to work. Just keep in mind, if you add more mods, do it in small batches and check for problems. One of the main problems is that people add hundreds of mods at once and if things don't work as intended it becomes very hard to pinpoint the exact source.

[sissyslave45]

2 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

you did not do all the step because I dont see a papyrus.0.log uploaded to the thread. 

This is the latest FAQ for this issue (try Menu Maid 2 maybe, its a new suggestion from Crajjj)

On a running Game or if Step 0 fails: 
1. open console, type “ski_configmanagerinstance 1” (without “)
2. put Naked Defeat.esp towards the end (last) of your ESP Load Order
3. on a running game, travel around (fast travel) a bit, save and reload the game
4. install Jaxonz MCM Kicker SE - follow the instructions (it also can take its time, wait 5-10 minutes to be really sure). 
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/36801
5. install Menu Maid 2 (Jaxonz MCM Kicker not needed for this, better remove it again before this step) 
Menu Maid 2 -- MCM > Maintenance - read the descriptions.
 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/67556
6. make sure you have a healthy Load Order of mods that works well and other mods all show up.
7. if all that fails, enable papyrus logging, start the game and if MCM not shows up, upload the 
papyrus.0.log in the support thread. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/articles/368

so I used Menu maid it either dosnt show naked defeat or it crashes when the mcm gets loaded

 

[sissyslave45]

3 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Given that the ModManager has zero direct influence on the MCM this suggests it's either a mod order problem or (assuming for a second that you did not install 100% the same LO in both MO2) a collision with another mod that is not or not in the same version present now. (Or both of course.) Anyway glad you got it to work. Just keep in mind, if you add more mods, do it in small batches and check for problems. One of the main problems is that people add hundreds of mods at once and if things don't work as intended it becomes very hard to pinpoint the exact source.

so thats what i thought however the mods i have downloaded should not effect it

 

[Talesien]

18 minutes ago, sissyslave45 said:

so I used Menu maid it either dosnt show naked defeat or it crashes when the mcm gets loaded

 

Menu Maid 2 crashes if you open its MCM? Never heard that before. If it does not show ND, that means ND's MCM(quest) did not initialize, which explains why the MCM does not show.

[sissyslave45]

2 minutes ago, Talesien said:

Menu Maid 2 crashes if you open its MCM? Never heard that before. If it does not show ND, that means ND's MCM(quest) did not initialize, which explains why the MCM does not show.

if so how do i get the quest to strart?

 

[Talesien]

21 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

I just got home and tried. 
On my game it all works flawlessly. I can disable, enable, save, reload, all ok.

I also fail to see what could have caused this with the changes I made. 

can you send me a papyrus log of the process? 

From guessing I would say:
- wrong overwrite
- MCM saver or settings setter?

But thats just the things I would check first (after the log). 

Keep me posted. 

Just tried with a new game on the same LO, works fine. Seems something in the save got borked. Well, I did some back and forth with a couple mods on that, so ... still an oddly specific thingy to happen. Anyway likely nothing worth wasting more on your time on unless someone else reports a similar problem. Sorry for raising the alarm without more in-depth checking.