toys Toys&Love LE & SE

[VirginMarie]

1 hour ago, bigschwabbel said:

Does that mean SexLabAroused and SexLab are not optional?

 

They are soft dependencies. See Compile Requirements in Mod Author's Documentation

 

A soft dependency does not need to be installed to run, it's optional. But a soft dependency is a hard requirement to compile.

 

16 minutes ago, zarantha said:

jcontainers uses the second. toys uses the first.

 

No Toys and JC both use the 2nd. All SE Mods that are setup for for SE use the 2nd. You will see that Toys mods use the first for LE, and the 2nd for SE, as it should be. Really really stupid that Bethesda changed that for SE. Someone was drunk?

[zarantha]

41 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

 

They are soft dependencies. See Compile Requirements in Mod Author's Documentation

 

A soft dependency does not need to be installed to run, it's optional. But a soft dependency is a hard requirement to compile.

 

 

No Toys and JC both use the 2nd. All SE Mods that are setup for for SE use the 2nd. You will see that Toys mods use the first for LE, and the 2nd for SE, as it should be. Really really stupid that Bethesda changed that for SE. Someone was drunk?

 

?

 

 

 

 

All i  have in the second for Toys 2.11 is the compiled scripts, there's no source folder. Whatever you have on your pc, it's only packing the the /source/scripts folder in the production mod.

[VirginMarie]

50 minutes ago, zarantha said:

All i  have in the second for Toys 2.11 is the compiled scripts, there's no source folder. Whatever you have on your pc, it's only packing the the /source/scripts folder in the production mod.

 

Toys has it correct for both LE and SE. It must be different for each.

 

Source and compiled are stored as follows.

• For both LE and SE, compiled pex must be in Data\scripts (obviously if this were not the case, the mod would not work)
• For LE source (.psc), its supposed to be in Data\scripts\Source
• For SE source (.psc), its supposed to be in Data\Source\Scripts

Confusing and done wrong by many mods since Bethesda was drunk and switched it up for SE. But you will see most SE mods have it right these days.

 

 

These pics are me opening the 7z packages for yesterday's release....  LE above. SE below. In both cases its the correct way to distribute. 

 

 

In the end, this not matter the slightest to end users as they don't use the source.

For mod authors, you gotta be aware, and move the source if it was not distributed in the proper spot.

Edited May 30, 2022 by VirginMarie

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, VirginMarie said:

Confusing and done wrong by many mods since Bethesda was drunk and switched it up for SE. But you will see most SE mods have it right these days.

 

1 hour ago, VirginMarie said:

In both cases its the correct way to distribute. 

 

Yes. It is correct because Bethesda changed it up and confused everyone. But some modders stick to the old way. All I meant was jcontainers and your scripts have different paths. That's why when he was compiling it switched which mod was missing.

 

I didn't mean to imply you were packing wrong.

[VirginMarie]

5 minutes ago, zarantha said:

All I meant was jcontainers and your scripts have different paths. That's why when he was compiling it switched which mod was missing.

 

Oh yes that is true. That could indeed be @bigschwabbel's problem.

 

bigschwabbel you need to be aware of this crazy Bethesda shit...

• For both LE and SE, compiled pex must be in Data\scripts (obviously if this were not the case, the mod would not work)
• For LE source (.psc), its supposed to be in Data\scripts\Source
• For SE source (.psc), its supposed to be in Data\Source\Scripts

Then decide if you are using the SE or LE tradition, and move scripts from mods that do the opposite. JC has its scripts in the wrong place, from an SE perspective, thus they need to be moved. The compiler has to be pointed to the right spot.

[Talesien]

Perhaps I'm to 'Linuxy' in my thinking, but assuming there are no scripts that are different between the two version, why don't you just use one folder throw everything in it and symlink it to the other location? Sounds a lot easier than to cross copy all the time. (Of course Windumb needs to make everything useful hard to use, so setting up a symbolic link is a bit convoluted, still worth it.)

[bigschwabbel]

 

 

10 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

But a soft dependency is a hard requirement to compile.

 

I see. That's were it went wrong. I read 'soft dependency' and my brain went 'ok, don't need that'. Will have to install the source files from SL and SLA then.

 

7 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

you need to be aware of this crazy Bethesda shit

 

I found out about that yesterday, when I tried to get Notepad++ to do what I want.

 

4 hours ago, Talesien said:

and symlink it

 

I had the same idea after the copy process was done. I'll keep that in mind for the next time I decide to wipe my game folder.

[bigschwabbel]

@VirginMarie

 

Got it working! My little test script

 

Spoiler

 

compiled successfully with zero errors.

 

It was a tremendous help to switch to Notepad++. Seeing all errors made it a lot easier to find out what was missing.

Thank you for the tip!

 

Your website Toys&Love - Mod Author's Documentation was very helpful, but it's missing some of your 'soft, but no so soft dependencies'.

 

- NiOverride, the source files don't come with RaceMenu, they are a separate download (Modders Package)

- FNISCreatureVersion

- SKI_ConfigManager.psc, the source file is not part of SkyUI_5.1_SDK but it is part of the master branch of SkyUI, and it's not listed separately on your website

 

 

Edited May 31, 2022 by bigschwabbel

[VirginMarie]

8 hours ago, bigschwabbel said:

@VirginMarie

 

Got it working! My little test script

 

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compiled successfully with zero errors.

 

It was a tremendous help to switch to Notepad++. Seeing all errors made it a lot easier to find out what was missing.

Thank you for the tip!

 

Your website Toys&Love - Mod Author's Documentation was very helpful, but it's missing some of your 'soft, but no so soft dependencies'.

 

- NiOverride, the source files don't come with RaceMenu, they are a separate download (Modders Package)

- FNISCreatureVersion

- SKI_ConfigManager.psc, the source file is not part of SkyUI_5.1_SDK but it is part of the master branch of SkyUI, and it's not listed separately on your website

 

 

 

Thanks that's really good info to have. I've updated Mod Author's Documentation

[bigschwabbel]

8 hours ago, VirginMarie said:

I've updated Mod Author's Documentation

 

You've changed your website to

 

4. FNIS

 

FNISCreatureVersion is part of the optional file 'FNIS Creature Pack'. Yes, you need FNIS, but you also need the optional file.

 

 

[VirginMarie]

29 minutes ago, bigschwabbel said:

FNISCreatureVersion is part of the optional file 'FNIS Creature Pack'. Yes, you need FNIS, but you also need the optional file.

 

You sure? I left that vague because I can't imagine why it would need FNIS Creature Pack

Edited June 1, 2022 by VirginMarie

[bigschwabbel]

 

46 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

You sure?

 

Yes. I had FNIS but not FNIS Creature Pack installed, and it was missing when I first tried to compile.

 

[V June]

Would like to report a bug or see if anyone other then me is experiencing this with the latest update.

 

The fondle/caress key only works outside of love scenes to fondle. When in a scene i am unable to use the caress hotkey, when i press it shows a popup can't fondle now and nothing happens. Straight after the scene is done a fondle starts out of nowhere without me pressing anything or random event triggering it.

 

 

Edited June 2, 2022 by Victoria June

[VirginMarie]

1 hour ago, Victoria June said:

Would like to report a bug or see if anyone other then me is experiencing this with the latest update.

 

The fondle/caress key only works outside of love scenes to fondle. When in a scene i am unable to use the caress hotkey, when i press it shows a popup can't fondle now and nothing happens. Straight after the scene is done a fondle starts out of nowhere without me pressing anything or random event triggering it.

 

Caress only works if the Mini-Game is enabled (its on by default). Is this your problem? I can't recreate the problem otherwise so would need to get more specifics.

 

When Mini-Game is off, caress is on auto-pilot and the NPC will most often climax too early for a Simultaneous O.

 

Straight after the scene is done a fondle starts out of nowhere - that's Involuntary Fondle. Sounds like its working as intended. Chance it happens for after climaxing in a scene or when Rousing is high. Can change in MCM

 

I added this just now... Hotkeys in Toys&Love. That gives a full description on how its intended to work so you can compare and see if its not for you.

[V June]

17 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

 

Caress only works if the Mini-Game is enabled (its on by default). Is this your problem? I can't recreate the problem otherwise so would need to get more specifics.

 

When Mini-Game is off, caress is on auto-pilot and the NPC will most often climax too early for a Simultaneous O.

 

Straight after the scene is done a fondle starts out of nowhere - that's Involuntary Fondle. Sounds like its working as intended. Chance it happens for after climaxing in a scene or when Rousing is high. Can change in MCM

 

I added this just now... Hotkeys in Toys&Love. That gives a full description on how its intended to work so you can compare and see if its not for you.

 Thank you for the quick reply  Yes i read this in your hotkey guide ''Caress does not work in Custom Scenes (Scenes not using Toys&Love, Love Scene features).'' Does this mean any animation from a animation pack other then the one included from toys&love wont work with caress hotkey? If the caress hotkey only works with toys&love animation pack then its working as intended for me.

 

Edited June 2, 2022 by Victoria June

[VirginMarie]

36 minutes ago, Victoria June said:

 Thank you for the quick reply  Yes i read this in your hotkey guide ''Caress does not work in Custom Scenes (Scenes not using Toys&Love, Love Scene features).'' Does this mean any animation from a animation pack other then the one included from toys&love wont work with caress hotkey? If the caress hotkey only works with toys&love animation pack then its working as intended for me.

 

 

No it does not mean that. I updated in here...  Hotkeys in Toys&Love

 

So this is likely not the problem. We need to dig deeper, if you confirm it's not behaving as described.

 

Possible you are confusing Toys&Love scenes with sexlab scenes?

Edited June 2, 2022 by VirginMarie

[V June]

3 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

 

No it does not mean that. I updated in here...  Hotkeys in Toys&Love

 

So this is likely not the problem. We need to dig deeper, if you confirm it's not behaving as described.

 

Possible you are confusing Toys&Love scenes with sexlab scenes?

I start to think it might not be a problen in this mod but in Dark desire club mod, i believe dark desire club is supposed to use the features of toys&love as it gives tasks to caress your partner and hold to climax wich the last is working properly. But when a scene starts from dark desire club with a partner the caress function is not available to use in the scene. i dont have any other mods that initiate a scene with a partner so i can't test if this is the case.

[VirginMarie]

33 minutes ago, Victoria June said:

I start to think it might not be a problen in this mod but in Dark desire club mod, i believe dark desire club is supposed to use the features of toys&love as it gives tasks to caress your partner and hold to climax wich the last is working properly. But when a scene starts from dark desire club with a partner the caress function is not available to use in the scene. i dont have any other mods that initiate a scene with a partner so i can't test if this is the case.

 

DDC uses Toys, but only for bondage. Its not yet converted to using Toy&Love love scenes. DDC uses Sexlab for its love scenes.

 

You can test this way... Toys&Love MCM - Love Scenes tab - Run the "play random scene". Otherwise you'd need to install something like Toy Story for the non-cheating more fun ways.

Edited June 2, 2022 by VirginMarie

[bigschwabbel]

I've just started a new play-through, including Toy-Story. I didn't loot the dead scholar immediately after leaving Helgen, but went there 3-5 in-game days later and the body was gone.

 

Is there any other way of starting the Curios quest besides using console commands? I didn't find anything in MCM.

[VirginMarie]

7 hours ago, bigschwabbel said:

I've just started a new play-through, including Toy-Story. I didn't loot the dead scholar immediately after leaving Helgen, but went there 3-5 in-game days later and the body was gone.

 

Is there any other way of starting the Curios quest besides using console commands? I didn't find anything in MCM.

 

Well no, because for this to happen you almost certainly have a corrupt save, caused by breaking the Golden Rule.

 

You've likely changed your load order during that 3-5 game days. You will have bigger issues that reveal themselves later.

 

You will find you can't recreate it, if you start a new game and play for any amount of time... IF you don't break the rule.

 

Edited June 3, 2022 by VirginMarie

[LaurylSardos]

Is it possible to disable Fondle to self animation/function? 

[V June]

Hey just came across smt else i use the SLA sync option in the mcm, wich seems to sync properly with arousal from SLA except when a spontaneous orgasm occurs SLA arousal does not drop back down with the rousal level from Toys&Love, this is causing the rousal from Toys&Love to immediately jump bk to max after every spontaneous orgasm is this intended?

[VirginMarie]

4 hours ago, LaurylSardos said:

Is it possible to disable Fondle to self animation/function? 

 

Set the two chance settings to 0. Or set them lower for less frequent.

 

Are you wanting to do this because there's some issue? If there is maybe we can solve it?

 

[LaurylSardos]

23 minutes ago, VirginMarie said:

 

Set the two chance settings to 0. Or set them lower for less frequent.

 

Are you wanting to do this because there's some issue? If there is maybe we can solve it?

 

Thanx. No, there is no issue. I just start to playing and notice that my character fondle too often (every minute almost) so i changed fondle hotkey Alt(that was sprint) and reduced those settings and arousal rate also. Now it works fine

[VirginMarie]

1 hour ago, Victoria June said:

Hey just came across smt else i use the SLA sync option in the mcm, wich seems to sync properly with arousal from SLA except when a spontaneous orgasm occurs SLA arousal does not drop back down with the rousal level from Toys&Love, this is causing the rousal from Toys&Love to immediately jump bk to max after every spontaneous orgasm is this intended?

 

Not intended, if its behaving as you describe consistently.

Could be another mod interaction/conflict.

First report if it.

 

Are you certain its a Toys&Love Spontaneous O? Previously we confused a sexlab scene with Toys&Love. Need to rule out any confusion.

• To confirm its a Toys&Love Scene, while the scene is running press ~ to open console. If its Toys&Love, you will see text that starts with [Toys] and tells you the name of the scene.
• Note that Toys also has the "Moving Spontaneous O". Happens while you are mobile (scene-less) or even during other scenes. This will make Rousing bounce all over the place. Need to rule out that it's not this (it wont print any text to console).

Assuming we are sure its regular Spontaneous O Scene, I don't think I will be able to recreate it without more info. In order to help me recreate it...

1. If you are doing this in the Dark Desires club like before, lets NOT do that and test what happens outside of the club.
2. Confirm SLA Sync is on, and that Rousing/Arousal is maxed.
3. Run the Toys&Love MCM - Setup tab - Installation Test. This triggers the same scene as Spon O. Do 3 times. Does it consistently recreate doing this?
4. What info are you using to "see" both the Rousing level and the Arousal Level? For Toys I'd assume you using the Rousing Bar to view it?
   • Grab a couple of screenshots to show what you are seeing if possible, showing the level down then up. Also the toys text message in console.
5. Set SLAL Sync OFF... then do #3 again (once is enough)... now what happens?
6. Version of SLA?
7. What mods are you running that contribute to SLAL arousal?
8. What other Toys Content mods are you running?