Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Roggvir said:

I found some improperly setup dialogue responses in SLTR 2.1.13.

Thanks, I will make those changes now.  They will be in the next update.

[kurotatsu]

On 4/7/2025 at 3:55 AM, Roggvir said:

I am having a hard time deciding what to do - whether to make it into some small universal framework, or keep it just as a single purpose addon for SLTR.

Is such framework even needed? (what other mods are there, that would need something like this, and not have something already?)
I like that it is relatively simple, but if i start turning it into a proper universal framework, i may not know when to stop and it may take a long time to finish it (and i have very little time lately. Last thing i want is yet another unfinished project on my TODO list).
I need to clear my head and think about it later.

 

If you can make this whipping framework ZAZ-free - it will be massive win and it will be needed very much,

[Roggvir]

@Hex Bolt Found a typo in vkjTrophySlaveBranch, where it says:

• "Then there are ones like you.  You me collar you without a struggle.  That was great."

...but i think it should be:

• "Then there are ones like you.  You let me collar you without a struggle.  That was great."

...or maybe instead of "let", there was supposed to be "allowed"? (though unlikely - owner allowed to do something by a slave? pfft!), whatever it was supposed to be, it's missing.

[Roggvir]

1 hour ago, kurotatsu said:

 

If you can make this whipping framework ZAZ-free - it will be massive win and it will be needed very much,

The scenes i made use nothing from ZAP except the cane "weapon" (only the model and the decals/whipmarks, but the swing/hit sounds are custom).
But when it comes to turning it into a universal framework, that is not as simple as it sounds.

 

The whipping scenes for Lola are more complex than just "get in pose, make one actor repeat some motion, done".

These scenes are specifically tailored for SLTR in the way how they progress, in how at some point the owner has things to say (comments on the punishment, tells Lola to not re-dress for the "Eye Candy"), with all the preparation for the scene, undressing, handling the runic collar, handling the optional glowing hand, changing the whip/cane weapon model, its reach, damage and speed, and more.
Some of which is quite difficult to decouple from a hypothetical framework, or outright impossible to decouple if the scene flow/fuildity is not to be negatively affected.

It would ended up as a spaghetti of Mod Events that probably no other mod except SLTR even ever uses, adding more complexity that isn't worth it, because it would be there only for SLTR, and it wouldn't work without some compromises.

I am not saying i won't also make some framework (though i think it would make more sense to help polish/expand/modify the contraptions framework in DD NG).

But for this particular case, i would rather implement it as a "plugin" for SLTR.

[Hex Bolt]

7 hours ago, Roggvir said:

Found a typo in vkjTrophySlaveBranch, where it says:

• "Then there are ones like you.  You me collar you without a struggle.  That was great."

...but i think it should be:

• "Then there are ones like you.  You let me collar you without a struggle.  That was great."

Yes, it should be "let".  Thanks for reporting it!  It's fixed for the next update.

[Anunya]

On 4/6/2025 at 5:07 PM, Roggvir said:

Thanks, i am glad someone likes it

Regarding Precision - why would that be a problem?

 

I'm glad Hex Bolt likes it too, but he's not the only one. Good work!

[Roggvir]

Which NPCs can be set as the Playmate?

Standard permanent followers? (hirelings, housecarls, anybody who can become a real follower when you ask them)

Temporary followers? (NPCs that temporarily follow you during some quest, and leave after the quest is done)
Any other NPC not included in any of the above?

 

I am setting filters for a dialogue export, to make a voice pack for SLTR.

And i am not sure which voice types should i allow for the lines spoken by the Playmate.

[Hex Bolt]

4 minutes ago, Roggvir said:

Which NPCs can be set as the Playmate?

Must be in Current Follower faction, must be unique, must have the ActorTypeNPC keyword (no animals), must not be a child.  So, standard permanent followers but not temporary teammates.

[ChibiUser]

On 4/13/2025 at 9:57 AM, Hex Bolt said:

Must be in Current Follower faction, must be unique, must have the ActorTypeNPC keyword (no animals), must not be a child.  So, standard permanent followers but not temporary teammates.

The follower from the Darklight Tower quest with the Hagraven, is not selectable as a playmate, even though she (seemingly) becomes a full blown follower after completing that quest :)

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, ChibiUser said:

The follower from the Darklight Tower quest with the Hagraven, is not selectable as a playmate, even though she (seemingly) becomes a full blown follower after completing that quest

It depends on how she's set up in your game.  For instance, without USLEEP/USSEP, Illia is not flagged as unique and is therefore ineligible, but it's possible that something else is the cause.

[Hex Bolt]

A couple of upcoming changes, based on recent experiences I had with uncommon situations.

 

Offering service will check for being stuck in combat, which interferes with the scene.  The situation might explain some of the rare reports of nothing happening after offering service.  In my case, a summoned creature apparently was trying to attack something on the other side of a wall, which technically placed my character in combat without affecting followers.  Combat breaks the scene for offering service.  The owner will now tell you that seem to be in combat and maybe should deal with that first.

 

Rather than make you struggle free, owners will now remove non-locking armbinders if you're in combat.  I'd had a situation with Arachnophobia which had equipped a web armbinder during on-and-off ranged combat with spiders.  The owner refused to remove it (as designed), but the situation was too dangerous for that kind of fun.  Fortunately, thanks to DD Escape Overhaul, the follower agreed to cut the armbinder (via that mod's topic), but players shouldn't have to rely on another mod in that situation.

Edited April 15, 2025 by Hex Bolt

[Vyru]

I have 2 questions... 1. daily update time randomly changes all the time for me, never had that in older versions (about a year since my last playtrough, maybe a bit more) and it gets a bit annoying to lose score for no reason like that... is there some easy fix for this? and 2. does the mod completely exclude aggressive animations? My sexlab is set to always allow them but i never seem to get any when the Lola mod triggers a scene. I know there is a setting for the "rough" tag chance but i don't think that's related since rough and aggressive are separate tags?

[CaptainJ03]

46 minutes ago, Vyru said:

I have 2 questions... 

1. daily update time randomly changes all the time for me, never had that in older versions (about a year since my last playtrough, maybe a bit more) and it gets a bit annoying to lose score for no reason like that... is there some easy fix for this?

When you're fast travelling or sleeping during your normal update time, it is delayed until the end of that. I'm not aware of any other changes.

 

47 minutes ago, Vyru said:

2. does the mod completely exclude aggressive animations? My sexlab is set to always allow them but i never seem to get any when the Lola mod triggers a scene. I know there is a setting for the "rough" tag chance but i don't think that's related since rough and aggressive are separate tags?

 

from 2.1.7 changelog:

"Changed:  Sex animation selection has been improved.  You might notice that you have more variety in several situations, while seeing fewer unwanted animations (furniture or groping).  Lesbian rough sex will actually be rough (before, it was just strap-on consensual sex).  When the mod uses rough sex, instead of only using Aggressive animations, it will now use a combined pool of both Rough and Aggressive ones, which offers more variety and dilutes the violence level.  (Rough animations will be at the top of SexLab's animation selector.)"

 

 

[Vyru]

5 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

When you're fast travelling or sleeping during your normal update time, it is delayed until the end of that. I'm not aware of any other changes.

 

Makes sense, maybe i just didn't remember it was like that 🤔

7 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

it will now use a combined pool of both Rough and Aggressive ones

I haven't had a single aggressive one in the 2 weeks i'm playing again... but it's no biggie i'll just remove the aggressive tag for some i'd like to see here and there. 

Thanks a lot for the quick reply ☺️

 

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Vyru said:

Makes sense, maybe i just didn't remember it was like that

As CaptainJ03 said, the daily update time gets adjusted if you're not actively playing the game (sleeping, fast traveling, or waiting) when the time is reached.  This gives you a full 24 hours to meet your daily service goals.  Although the mod doesn't force it, it's intended that reaching those be a little challenging, so you're given a full day to do that.

 

1 hour ago, Vyru said:

I haven't had a single aggressive one in the 2 weeks i'm playing again... but it's no biggie i'll just remove the aggressive tag for some i'd like to see here and there. 

I don't think that will accomplish what you hope, unless you really want aggressive (rape) animations mixed in with regular sex, which affects all sex, not just animations between your character and owner.  SLTR handles it the way CaptainJ03 described.  If SLTR chooses rough sex between your character and owner, it combines the pools of Rough animations and Aggressive animations, with Rough ones at the top of the list.  If you have many Rough animations installed, they could be significantly diluting your selection.  Press SexLab's hotkey (0 by default) to see the list and pick the one you want.

 

Note that SLTR always excludes sex animations with bound or furniture tags (the owner is in control and doesn't need to bind Lola, and magically appearing furniture is weird), so if many of your installed aggressive animations are only for bound or furniture sex, you'll never see them.  The popular animation packs usually have several aggressive animations that are suitable for use with this mod.

Edited April 17, 2025 by Hex Bolt

[Vyru]

1 hour ago, Hex Bolt said:

As CaptainJ03 said, the daily update time gets adjusted if you're not actively playing the game (sleeping, fast traveling, or waiting) when the time is reached.  This gives you a full 24 hours to meet your daily service goals.  Although the mod doesn't force it, it's intended that reaching those be a little challenging, so you're given a full day to do that.

That totally makes sense and i'm pretty sure i just forgot that's how things worked. I even have a mod that blocks fast travel but carriages are still possible and actually my only way of getting somewhere quick (mostly... if Devious Carriages is letting me :p)

1 hour ago, Hex Bolt said:

Note that SLTR always excludes sex animations with bound or furniture tags

Okay i see, that explains it... most of my aggressive animations are bound ones, i don't even have too much animations in total since my PC is a femboy with female set sexlab gender and all female npc's are futa using male animations with combined settings of SOS and SLEN so i have not a single animation with "vaginal" tag, that's why a couple more would have been nice for a mod that is active and present most of the time. Another reason i didn't want to register too much (i think i have like maybe 70 human ones total) is increasing the chance to see some faves once in a while. Since bound animations are off the table i guess i'll just register a couple more for variety. Thanks a lot for the detailed explaining and all the help and sorry for my grammar i'm on my phone and about to pass out. This is still my all time fave mod and one of the main motivations to replay skyrim. Keep up the great work! 

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Vyru said:

Another reason i didn't want to register too much (i think i have like maybe 70 human ones total) is increasing the chance to see some faves once in a while.

You might already know this, but I'll mention that version 2.1.11 added the ability to designate favorite animations and the chance to see them.  That only applies to sex started by this mod, though, so reluctance to dilute the animation pool for other makes sense.

[Vyru]

8 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

You might already know this, but I'll mention that version 2.1.11 added the ability to designate favorite animations and the chance to see them.  That only applies to sex started by this mod, though, so reluctance to dilute the animation pool for other makes sense.

Yes i've seen it and i appreciate all the little customization options like custom collar, thoughts, confessions etc. I usualy even generate voicefiles with Lola changed to my name for the perfect expirience. 

 

Oh btw i have another question... you said in the addon section Kalmah's extension is outdated... it still works for me but i'm aware it's not maintained or updated anymore. I really like the tavern sleeping features it provides (better than the ones in Coffees Task) is there any chance that could be part of the main mod? I mean... just in case the addon really stops working at some point.

[kingsglaive]

I suddenly had an idea:
When Lola asked the Master if he could provide slave services, the Master would give Lola several options and let Lola guess what kind of task she would accept. After Lola made her choice, the Master would suddenly tell her that she had guessed wrong and it was actually another task.

[Hex Bolt]

10 hours ago, Vyru said:

Oh btw i have another question... you said in the addon section Kalmah's extension is outdated... it still works for me but i'm aware it's not maintained or updated anymore. I really like the tavern sleeping features it provides (better than the ones in Coffees Task) is there any chance that could be part of the main mod? I mean... just in case the addon really stops working at some point.

If I did, the implementation would have to change somewhat.  Kalmah edited all the vanilla beds in inns.  I won't change vanilla records because of the risk of conflict with any other mod that changes inn interiors.

 

9 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

When Lola asked the Master if he could provide slave services, the Master would give Lola several options and let Lola guess what kind of task she would accept. After Lola made her choice, the Master would suddenly tell her that she had guessed wrong and it was actually another task.

That's a possibility.  Lola should have a fair chance of guessing correctly, though.

[Vyru]

5 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

If I did, the implementation would have to change somewhat.  Kalmah edited all the vanilla beds in inns.  I won't change vanilla records because of the risk of conflict with any other mod that changes inn interiors.

Fair enough, it's not that important either... it still works and i don't care too much about most other features.

[crococat]

Have problem with whipping. Instead of whip my misterss enter submissive position while whipping is going and stand up at end.

Had this problem with Zaz 9, but now start new game with Zaz 8+ and still have this bug.

Where problem may be?

Nothing is rewrite Lola files.

Whipping from other mods is going ok (was ok with Zaz 9, will test now)

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, crococat said:

Have problem with whipping. Instead of whip my misterss enter submissive position while whipping is going and stand up at end.

I don't know what would cause that.  This mod does a lot of setting up for the scene, but ZAP does the actual whipping.  This mod only tells ZAP who is doing the whipping (ZAP always whips the player).   This mod places the player character in a whipping pose, but never anyone else.

 

3 hours ago, crococat said:

Had this problem with Zaz 9, but now start new game with Zaz 8+ and still have this bug.

Whipping is broken in ZAP 9.2 unless you use a patch that's buried somewhere in its support topic.  It should work with ZAP 8+.

Edited April 19, 2025 by Hex Bolt

[crococat]

15 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

I don't know what would cause that.  This mod does a lot of setting up for the scene, but ZAP does the actual whipping.  This mod only tells ZAP who is doing the whipping (ZAP always whips the player).   This mod places the player character in a whipping pose, but never anyone else.

Player is placed in whipping pose ok, but why mistress is lying on the ground dont understand. Tryed with vanila and custom followers.

In MCM history see that it was not whipping but spanking. How can i start real whipping scene to test?

 

Now tested PamaBeatup and SD, and all is ok.

DewiousFollowers also ok, but there SLAL animations are used.

Start new game with MariaEden and whipping also is ok.

Installed all 3 Lola addons and no change.

Have BakaDialog, not tested its whipping yet, but it was ok earlier with Zaz9.

I use MO and have no Zaz9 files absolutely. Didnt read topic deep, am i the only one with this problem?

[Hex Bolt]

5 hours ago, crococat said:

In MCM history see that it was not whipping but spanking.

Run "sqv vkjmq" in the console and look for ::NoWhipping_var.  Is it true or false?