Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Balmung889]

Sorry, I've asked this question before but I can't seem to find it.
What are the main differences between Submissive Lola and Devious Follower? I'm not very good with the English language and from the descriptions they seem very similar.

[kingsglaive]

33 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

作为@Talesien 提到，您可以要求裸体，在 MCM 中将服装的贴身衣物部分指定为“裸体替代品”。

Maybe it can be changed to the stripping setting of Sexlab MCM

[Hex Bolt]

8 hours ago, wren888 said:

First, the premise: after being enslaved by Master, Lola can get captured and sent to Simple Slavery, where he may have to buy her back (nicely done). He expresses his anger at how much he had to shell out. My suggestion is that he demand she pay him back every septim. If, after reclaiming her belongings from the box in the auctioneer's lectern, she doesn't have enough money, Master adds additional service time to her contract. Alternatively, or if there is no contract, appropriate punishment could be levied. For example, prolonged shocking, whipping, or spanking. Or perhaps a particularly humiliating activity if you feel inclined to add one. Begging a jarl for sex comes to mind. Or servicing an Empire/Stormcloak outpost as a prostitute, as Master sometimes muses he might do when at one. That would get him back some of his money too.

I appreciate suggestions.  Something might be possible here, but I'll note a few issues.

 

Personally, I think it's completely unbelievable that someone could be captured, sold, and bought without someone along the way taking whatever is valuable.  That bandit chief is okay with selling his captive into slavery, but refuses to rob that captive???  (SL Defeat does let players configure having stuff stolen, with the chance to reclaim it from the captor by force.)  Lola might have stashed some gold at home (that's what I do), but SLTR won't know about that.  Not criticizing how people choose to play, just saying that I'd rather leave out a gold penalty.  However, contract time is a great fit.

 

Right now, SLTR adds a fixed 5 contract days when the owner buys you back, even if you had no contract before.  That amount could be made configurable.  Lola is in no position to refuse any terms.  Contract time equals earnings for the owner, so the cost of reclaiming Lola should get recuperated. 

 

Lola already gets a whipping after being bought back.  Did you have something else in mind?

 

An event with a military camp is on my ideas list, but there's a problem with detecting when camps have been cleared or haven't spawned yet.  There are barren areas that have the camp keyword, probably leftover from abandoned Bethesda development work.

 

 

Late edit:  Fixed a bad typo: " I think it's completely unbelievable that someone could be captured, sold, and bought without someone along the way taking whatever is valuable."

Edited October 13, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[Talesien]

35 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

A lot of clothing mods get ported to LE, but yeah, I don't think this one has.  Some are easier to port than others.

Given this:

Conversion permission
You are not allowed to convert this file to work on other games under any circumstances

I'm afraid it's unlikely it will get converted anytime soon (or any other of Caernavons works for that).
 

40 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

There are some nice tools available, but I've seen things that push the fuzzy line between leading edge and bleeding edge.  Some new mods have multiple requirements that in turn each have several requirements, and some of those have to be properly set up and configured by the player rather than simply installed and activated.  We've all seen the number of posts from players having difficulty getting their mods set up.  Some players give up and use one of those mod lists.  A significant number of players are not technically savvy.  Some are older (we have members on this site in their seventies) and sometimes say that they aren't as sharp as they used to be.

 

I'd rather not add too many barriers to entry.  Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I've sensed an unfortunate shift on the site (no, I don't mean you, Talesien) away from being helpful and welcoming, as it was when I joined, to the attitude that players who have trouble setting up their mods should figure it out on their own and "get good" or stop using mods and go play something else.  "Go away, you're not smart like us" can get rid of pesky newbie questions, but it makes a community exclusionary and insular.  I don't want that.  When players ask newbie questions, I try to remember that that was me at one time, and I also try to picture a gray-haired grandma struggling to get her sex-themed Skyrim set up (go, Grandma, good for you!)  There's also VR and GOG players, who sometimes get left out by the coolest toys.  I'm certainly not opposed to cool new things, just mentioning potential side effects.

Granted, though, none of the tools I listed (or had in mind) fall into that category. I can see that argument with stuff like ADXP/MCO or its successor BFCO. While I can't imagine playing Skyrim without those combat overhauls anymore, they require a full ecosystem of mods to really come into their own/work at all. Also requires Nemesis or Pandora rather than FNIS which then causes problems with mods that don't work with those. That's indeed enough hassle to trouble the less tech savy. Something like Sky Patcher OTOH... I would argue it's a lot harder to get Sexlab to work properly, that one has more requirements and fiddlier ones (yes I'm looking at you FNIS...), than most of the 'cool new toys'. Anyone who managed to overcome that hurdle would find those tools a breeze to set up (set up, not necessarily use them aside from mods making use of them, but even that is probably a lot easier than making a new sexlab animation ^^).

True enough though, as far as leading vs. bleeding edge goes ... my OS of choice is Arch Linux ... take a guess.

[Anunya]

58 minutes ago, Balmung889 said:

Sorry, I've asked this question before but I can't seem to find it.
What are the main differences between Submissive Lola and Devious Follower? I'm not very good with the English language and from the descriptions they seem very similar.

 

They are similar in a number of ways, but in others they are different. Here's my take on the differences:

 

Devious Followers

 

The premise is that a clever follower pretends to be the PC's friend or ally and slowly wears down her willpower and takes advantage of her. The key dynamic is debt/ money and deals. The PC is supposed to pay the follower. If she doesn't have money, she can take on debt, and she can service her debt by taking on "deals" of increasing humiliation. Depending on how you set the settings, this can be anywhere from easily managed to basically impossible. In your head, you can RP it in different ways but the core is a money based struggle against a slide into submission.

 

Devious Followers uses Devious Devices a fair bit, and the overall tone is one of the PC struggling against being pushed into submission against her will.

 

Submissive Lola

 

The core premise is that the PC voluntarily (but perhaps ignorantly) agrees to become a sex-slave for a limited period of time. While you can RP in your head that the PC cannot leave (and there are some MCM settings to support that), the primary dynamic is training the PC to accept her submissive nature. There can be a money element (depending on MCM settings), but it is not central at all.

 

SubLola uses fewer Devious Devices (but still some), and the overall tone is one of the PC accepting submission because that's what she really prefers (even if she doesn't know that to begin with and maybe resists at times).

 

...

 

IMO they're both excellent mods (for those of us who like to play characters getting into submissive trouble). They have a bunch of mechanical differences and feel differently in play, but that springs from the core differences I outlined above.

Edited October 12, 2024 by Anunya

[lovalter]

7 hours ago, Talesien said:

Personally I'm still hoping Hex will eventually see the light switch to SE and ditch LE. Nothing against the LE folks, but in the last 2-3 years we got so many cool toys for SE (KID, OAR, SkyPatcher to name just a few) that are unlikely to ever make it to LE and that could be used to make SLTR easier for Hex to develop while at the same time allow for much more customization. Especially, Skypatchers potential is insane in this regard. But alas it's not to be, not yet at least and even without those tools Hex continues to bring one of the most polished mods out there to us.

I shudder to think of what Hex could create on AE. The world is not ready

[kingsglaive]

I hope to add some new content to the piercing gift that Master gave to Lola.
Master thought this gift was a surprise for Lola
So he covered Lola's eyes with a blindfold to add mystery, but he was afraid that Lola would move around due to the pain of the piercing, so he chose to tie Lola's hands before equipping the piercing.
Then after a while of pain, he asked Lola to guess what the gift was, but Lola guessed wrong, and then the master turned on the vibration and told Lola the function of this gift. Lola was very happy to receive this gift.

[Hex Bolt]

6 hours ago, Talesien said:

I'm afraid it's unlikely it will get converted anytime soon (or any other of Caernavons works for that).

I wouldn't interpret the statement that way.  A question to the author could clarify, but porting from SE to LE or from LE to SE isn't usually considered to be a conversion to another game.  Not a big deal, but just saying.

 

6 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

Maybe it can be changed to the stripping setting of Sexlab MCM

You wouldn't like that.  The alternate clothing that can be an exception to the nudity rule must use the body (torso) slot.  If you set that clothing item to not be stripped by SexLab, your girl would be having sex while wearing a dress.

 

1 hour ago, kingsglaive said:

I hope to add some new content to the piercing gift that Master gave to Lola.
Master thought this gift was a surprise for Lola
So he covered Lola's eyes with a blindfold to add mystery, but he was afraid that Lola would move around due to the pain of the piercing, so he chose to tie Lola's hands before equipping the piercing.
Then after a while of pain, he asked Lola to guess what the gift was, but Lola guessed wrong, and then the master turned on the vibration and told Lola the function of this gift. Lola was very happy to receive this gift.

The scene that you suggested would probably have to be a little bigger, to allow Lola to correctly guess what "gift" she received.  I suppose that a blindfold and hand bindings might be used, but right now it's a short scene because it only occurs once.  I usually try to focus my time on repeatable events.

[Hex Bolt]

Speaking of piercings, do any players ever choose to remove one set of piercings and only use the ones for nipples or vagina/penis?  Each piercing passively increases arousal gain (even when not activated).  I've found that using just one or the other makes managing the PC's arousal a little easier.  Of course, owners usually want Lola to have higher arousal, but an owner might have aesthetic reasons for preferring just one type of piercing.

[JustMe469]

26 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

Speaking of piercings, do any players ever choose to remove one set of piercings and only use the ones for nipples or vagina/penis?  Each piercing passively increases arousal gain (even when not activated).  I've found that using just one or the other makes managing the PC's arousal a little easier.  Of course, owners usually want Lola to have higher arousal, but an owner might have aesthetic reasons for preferring just one type of piercing.

Yes, I sometimes do. Although I love the looks of both nipple and vagina piercings, I sometimes like to have just the nipple piercings. 

[GusCrow]

10 hours ago, Balmung889 said:

Sorry, I've asked this question before but I can't seem to find it.
What are the main differences between Submissive Lola and Devious Follower? I'm not very good with the English language and from the descriptions they seem very similar.

Also In Devious Followers your char is always treated like shit by your followers, so for those who don't like that, isn't a good option.

In Sub Lola depending how you config the MCM, it can be used as a slave outcome, your char has become a slave and now needs to do a lot of things for some time. Or it can also be configured for some kind of spicy BDSM relationship with your follower for a certain time.

I prefer Sub Lola. But depends what you want to do.

[kingsglaive]

3 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

你建议的场景可能需要更大一点，以便让 Lola 正确猜出她收到的“礼物”。  我想可能会用到眼罩和手绑带，但现在这是一个很短的场景，因为它只发生一次。我通常会尝试将时间集中在可重复的事件上。

In my Skyrim game, the Master told Lola that the piercing was a gift from the Master for Lola's good performance, which could bring a surprise, but in the actual game, this scene was very short and felt not rich enough.

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

In my Skyrim game, the Master told Lola that the piercing was a gift from the Master for Lola's good performance, which could bring a surprise, but in the actual game, this scene was very short and felt not rich enough.

Okay, I will think about making this scene more interesting.

[CaptainJ03]

14 hours ago, Balmung889 said:

What are the main differences between Submissive Lola and Devious Follower?

The intention of the mods have already been laid out, but there's one major difference: Devious Followers is abandoned and buggy, SubLola is actively supported.

 

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I'm not very good with the English language and from the descriptions they seem very similar.

If you'd state your mothertongue, maybe some native speaker could help you out.

 

Back on topic:

Thanks for the toggle of Domestic Events, I already dreaded going home, because Mistress always wanted to have a fresh meal, even if she just had one in Riverwood two minutes ago.

 

6 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Speaking of piercings, do any players ever choose to remove one set of piercings and only use the ones for nipples or vagina/penis?

Yup, I prefer the Iron Nipple Piercings, because they don't vibrate, and take out any clit piercing as soon as possible.

[BigOnes69]

7 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Speaking of piercings, do any players ever choose to remove one set of piercings and only use the ones for nipples or vagina/penis?  Each piercing passively increases arousal gain (even when not activated).  I've found that using just one or the other makes managing the PC's arousal a little easier.  Of course, owners usually want Lola to have higher arousal, but an owner might have aesthetic reasons for preferring just one type of piercing.

The vibrating ones just get repetitive, boring and frustrating after some time. They would need degrading comments to go along with stepped stages with maybe some simple quest in between each stage. Of course that would take a massive amount of work on the modder end. Nipple piercings that have a little bit of dangle to them are more interesting. Shiny and easy to see for the nether regions.

[kingsglaive]

16 hours ago, Talesien said:

鉴于此：

恐怕它不太可能在短期内实现转换（或者 Caernavons 的任何其他作品也不太可能实现转换）。

Caernavons' works are basically clothing, and clothing is best converted to LE, but I recommend going directly to SE, as LE has fallen behind in all aspects.
I switched to SE because an author in our country gathered various basic MODs together. You can directly download the compressed package, unzip and install it, and then slowly improve it yourself. It is very convenient and fast.
It is a bit similar to NUKT, but NUKT seems to have to go to the original website to download one by one

[Talesien]

4 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

The intention of the mods have already been laid out, but there's one major difference: Devious Followers is abandoned and buggy, SubLola is actively supported.

Ponzi has taken over DF, while the version here on LL (0.19) is not yet very far and also has a few bugs there are newer versions (0.42 being the latest) to be had on his discord. He has pretty grand plans for DF and also came a long way already in realizing some of them. If things go to schedule a new and hopefully stable version should appear here on LL sometime next month.
One major caveat, he only covers SE and since a lot of his new stuff depends on a custom dll to speed it up and reduce scriptload it's unlikely to be backportet to LE.

Edited October 13, 2024 by Talesien

[Talesien]

11 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Speaking of piercings, do any players ever choose to remove one set of piercings and only use the ones for nipples or vagina/penis?  Each piercing passively increases arousal gain (even when not activated).  I've found that using just one or the other makes managing the PC's arousal a little easier.  Of course, owners usually want Lola to have higher arousal, but an owner might have aesthetic reasons for preferring just one type of piercing.

Like the good Captain, I prefer the Iron Nipple piercings (or some custom piercings converted to a DD), I don't really like how most of the DD piercings look. The same goes for piercings in the nether regions, except that there is not much of an alternative to be had. Certainly none I liked so far. So I usually avoid those.

[Hex Bolt]

Thank you all for the replies, but I was really asking about piercings in the context of the vibration teasing event, which most of you apparently are avoiding.  Are you guys leaving the setting enabled to receive the piercings?

 

7 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Yup, I prefer the Iron Nipple Piercings, because they don't vibrate, and take out any clit piercing as soon as possible.

You could just set the vibration threshold to zero, unless you prefer the appearance of the non-vibrating piercings.

 

6 hours ago, BigOnes69 said:

The vibrating ones just get repetitive, boring and frustrating after some time.

I understand, especially if you don't care for the mod's other vibration events.

 

I'll just mention that players have good amount of control over vibrations.  The info text suggests reducing the Vibration Chance setting in Devious Devices if you don't want too many vibration events.  You can even set it to zero, so that you only get vibrations from SLTR.  In SLTR, vibration teasing can be set very low (even turned off), and the duration of its other events can be greatly reduced, to as little as 10 or 20% of normal.

 

3 hours ago, Talesien said:

Like the good Captain, I prefer the Iron Nipple piercings (or some custom piercings converted to a DD), I don't really like how most of the DD piercings look. The same goes for piercings in the nether regions, except that there is not much of an alternative to be had. Certainly none I liked so far. So I usually avoid those.

If you like the vibrations but just dislike the model, I could add vibrating versions of the iron rings (the power source would just have to be a mystery) or an invisible (pretend that it's just really small) clit piercing like SLTR's invisible nipple studs.

[Talesien]

12 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

Thank you all for the replies, but I was really asking about piercings in the context of the vibration teasing event, which most of you apparently are avoiding.  Are you guys leaving the setting enabled to receive the piercings?

 

You could just set the vibration threshold to zero, unless you prefer the appearance of the non-vibrating piercings.

 

I understand, especially if you don't care for the mod's other vibration events.

 

I'll just mention that players have good amount of control over vibrations.  The info text suggests reducing the Vibration Chance setting in Devious Devices if you don't want too many vibration events.  You can even set it to zero, so that you only get vibrations from SLTR.  In SLTR, vibration teasing can be set very low (even turned off), and the duration of its other events can be greatly reduced, to as little as 10 or 20% of normal.

 

If you like the vibrations but just dislike the model, I could add vibrating versions of the iron rings (the power source would just have to be a mystery) or an invisible (pretend that it's just really small) clit piercing like SLTR's invisible nipple studs.

I wouldn't say I like it, I just roll with it. In DD the vibration setting is always zero (as are almost all other "events", those animations are simply too long by about a medium-sized eternity and then some, Toys got it about right, but afraid that's beside the point).

[wren888]

9 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Thank you all for the replies, but I was really asking about piercings in the context of the vibration teasing event, which most of you apparently are avoiding.  Are you guys leaving the setting enabled to receive the piercings?

Yes. I leave the setting enabled to receive piercings. I like the frequent stimulation. You did mention aesthetics. If you have any interest in my opinion on that, I prefer the clitoral piercing because it seems more invasive to me. Nevertheless, I usually leave both kinds in.

Edited October 14, 2024 by wren888

[Anunya]

I leave the piercing event on, usually adjusted a bit for the trigger threshold.

 

That said, I'm not super happy with my SL Aroused and SLSO settings; I've never quite gotten them to behave like I think they should. But I do like the vibration events, when using SubLola.

[kingsglaive]

12 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

谢谢大家的回复，但我实际上是在振动挑逗活动中询问穿孔问题，而你们大多数人显然都在避免这个活动。你们是否启用了接收穿孔的设置？

 

您可以将振动阈值设置为零，除非您更喜欢非振动穿孔的外观。

 

我理解，特别是如果你不关心该模块的其他振动事件。

 

我只想说，玩家可以很好地控制振动。信息文本建议，如果您不想要太多的振动事件，请降低 Devious Devices 中的振动几率设置。您甚至可以将其设置为零，这样您只会从 SLTR 获得振动。在 SLTR 中，振动戏弄可以设置得很低（甚至关闭），并且其其他事件的持续时间可以大大减少，到正常时间的 10% 或 20%。

 

如果您喜欢振动但不喜欢模型，我可以添加振动版本的铁环（动力源一定是个谜）或隐形（假装它真的很小）阴蒂穿孔，如 SLTR 的隐形乳头钉。

In fact, this problem is easy to solve.
You can turn it on or off in the MCM settings.
Let the players choose freely.

[BigOnes69]

14 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Thank you all for the replies, but I was really asking about piercings in the context of the vibration teasing event, which most of you apparently are avoiding.  Are you guys leaving the setting enabled to receive the piercings?

I used it for some time but like I said lost interest and now turn it off.

[swords and sandals]

As far as the piercings go, I've always had that feature disabled in SubLo because I made my own private mod with custom piercings and custom effects. Every game I play I add them in with AddItemMenu at the start, equip them, and almost never take them off for the entire playthrough. (They give casting benefits, and tie in with her backstory and character.) I assumed that SubLo's piercing system would require its own piercings, so I just disabled it.

 

I would quite like to give it a try though. Does it work with custom piercings? If not, could that be added as an option?