Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, shiagwen said:

i deinstalled lola, cleansave and reinstalled.  lydia asked for sex again.  that means that something inside the lola mod blocked her.   When i load the autosave before deinstallation, lydia is still blocked. 

I don't see anything wrong with the dialog conditions.  The playmate does have to be "available", and one of the conditions for that is not having been told to "wait here".  If Lydia had been waiting, she would not ask for sex.  But you didn't mention that, so that's probably not what happened.  Do you remember if you agreed submissively with "Yes, miss"?

[Hex Bolt]

@shiagwen, I tried to recreate the problem in my game, but I was not able to do so.  However, I did notice that because a playmate does not "beckon" and nag you like the owner does, it is possible for the playmate to be just out of conversation range and be stuck in forcegreeting mode until you click on the playmate to talk to her, then she will ask for sex.  It's possible that this happened to you.  At this time, I don't have any other explanation for the problem that you had.

 

I did find and fix a minor omission with linking to the walkaway topic, but that wouldn't have caused trouble for you.  It's frustrating to not understand what went wrong, because I'm ready to publish an update but I'd like to fix any known problems.  I'm hoping that it was just the forcegreeting issue, which I can't really fix, but it sorts itself out whenever the player talks to the playmate.

[shiagwen]

29 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

@shiagwen, I tried to recreate the problem in my game, but I was not able to do so.  However, I did notice that because a playmate does not "beckon" and nag you like the owner does, it is possible for the playmate to be just out of conversation range and be stuck in forcegreeting mode until you click on the playmate to talk to her, then she will ask for sex.  It's possible that this happened to you.  At this time, I don't have any other explanation for the problem that you had.

 

I did find and fix a minor omission with linking to the walkaway topic, but that wouldn't have caused trouble for you.  It's frustrating to not understand what went wrong, because I'm ready to publish an update but I'd like to fix any known problems.  I'm hoping that it was just the forcegreeting issue, which I can't really fix, but it sorts itself out whenever the player talks to the playmate.

Sorry but i klick at her at several locations. just the normal dialogues.  i let the master wait here, but never lydia. 

 

Edit :  Got it ! Really crazy.   i let Mster Sven wait in bannered mare, while i was with playmate Lydia.  She was aroused 100,  PC submissive 100.  Now i let Master Sven follow and there comes Lydia asking for sex.

So if you let master wait, lydia cant ask for sex to player.

I hope that is not in your sense, so you change it please., so Lydia is independent from waiting master.

Edited October 8, 2024 by shiagwen
add

[Hex Bolt]

43 minutes ago, shiagwen said:

Got it ! Really crazy.   i let Mster Sven wait in bannered mare, while i was with playmate Lydia.  She was aroused 100,  PC submissive 100.  Now i let Master Sven follow and there comes Lydia asking for sex.

So if you let master wait, lydia cant ask for sex to player.

I hope that is not in your sense, so you change it please., so Lydia is independent from waiting master.

Okay, that makes sense.  Playmate sex is checked last, after anything the owner might want, because the owner is important.  If the owner is waiting, most of the checking is skipped.

 

Thank you for reporting the problem.  I will look at ways to possibly handle that in another release, but I want to get this update published today, and I don't want to risk making a significant last-minute change. 

[Hex Bolt]

It doesn't solve the situation for which a playmate can't ask for sex because the owner was ordered to wait, but I did just add notifications when a playmate is trying to talk to you to ask for sex.  That will help if the playmate has trouble getting close enough to start a conversation, to avoid having everything else be on hold because the playmate's forcegreeting is still trying to complete.

[Hex Bolt]

Version 2.1.8

 

Do not update while Trophy Slave or the quest for when the owner demands sex are running.

 

N.B.  The custom confession "Dreams" is now "Secret".  In Confessions.json, replace "Dreams" with "Secret" and change the confession as appropriate.

 

New:  A new event, Sample the Merchandise.  You'll sometimes be told to offer your services for free to one person in town, with a score bonus if you select someone you've never serviced before.  People always accept, with a small chance to make a friend.  Seek out someone you've never serviced who's especially lonely and you might feel pretty good about yourself.

 

New:  An overhaul of the Trophy Slave event.
- 6 new scenes.  Some are mutually exclusive (e.g., was bought or was not bought).
- The event now uses a location-based trigger and will occur much more consistently.
- Specific placement for the playmate during the event, depending on playmate dominance level.
- Improved head tracking.  Bidders and other observers look directly at you.
- Speech timing should be better for translated versions or voice packs.
- Still 100% soft dependence on Simple Slavery.  Submissive Lola never intrudes on other mods.

 

New:  "Playmate dominance", a new Roleplay setting. *** If you have a playmate now, update this setting to your liking. ***
Designate a playmate as Very Submissive, Submissive, Balanced (default), Dominant, or Very Dominant.  It will facilitate handling some decisions in a natural way.  The setting is used for a few things.
- When a playmate asks for sex, you can only delay a Very Dominant one once, and a Dominant one twice.
- During the Trophy Slave event, a Submissive playmate kneels beside the owner (a Very Submissive one does it naked).
- Dancing to entertain the owner:
* Very Dominant:  Claps & cheers, enjoying the show.
* Balanced or Dominant:  Plays a drum if dance music is enabled; otherwise, claps & cheers.
* Submissive:  Dances with you.  Synchronized dancing looks very nice.
* Very Submissive:  If Lola strips naked for the dance, the playmate will too.
A very submissive playmate who wears a collar might express a fondness for pain when whipping you.

 

New:  The Devices page now has a setting for the collar (if any) that the playmate will wear.  Might conflict with outfit managers that strip the collar slot (confirmed to work okay with NFF).

 

New:  A Rules setting, "No domestic events".  You will not be told to do any cooking or cleaning.

 

New:  You can offer to sweep in an inn or player home once per day per type of location.  Like offering to clean your owner's shoes, this counts toward your quota for offering service.  Volunteering to sweep has several differences.  The score reward is higher, there is no chance of having to wear bondage shoes, you must sweep more times, but the owner is much more likely to be satisfied with your work.  Regularly volunteering reduces the likelihood that you'll be ordered to do it.

 

New:  MCM Roleplay toggle, "Owner combat comments".  Your owner will shout encouragement and taunt enemies in combat.  Examples: "Get him, Lola!" or "My slave is tougher than you!"

 

New:  MCM Dancing setting, "Unequip item slots while dancing".  Similar to "Unequip item slots while kneeling", specify up to 3 slots to be temporarily unequipped.  Use for things like cloaks or backpacks that might look strange or cause clipping.

 

New:  Love Sickness options.
- Added a contract days extension slider to the Mod Integration page for the event when the owner takes advantage of your condition and adds a few days.  This is just a setting for an existing feature that had been fixed at 3 days.
- Added a prostitution quota increase slider to the Mod Integration page for when the owner takes advantage of your condition and increases your quota.  If you have discussed with your owner not prostituting you when you have love sickness, this extra quota will NOT be added.  This is just a setting for an existing feature that had been fixed at 25%.
- During prostitution, you can talk to the owner about having the condition.  If the owner is not poor at that time, the owner will agree to holding off on prostituting you in the future if you have love sickness AND the owner is not poor.

 

Changed:  The custom confession "Dreams" is now "Secret".  Although they're intended to work in pairs, Dreams and Fantasy were too similar with too much overlap.  "Secret" is the thing you most want to keep hidden.  "Fantasy" is unchanged.  In Confessions.json, replace "Dreams" with "Secret" and change the confession as appropriate.

 

Changed:  The shoe cleaning scene in palaces now only happens during the day and only if you entered from outside.  Understone Keep in Markarth is now excluded (it's not clean and the throne isn't visible from the entrance).

 

Changed:  Former boss status.  An alternate Strong Hand player line, "I know we just met, but I need a strong hand to guide me", tells the mod that you do NOT have a history of giving orders to the follower as the "boss".  You will also be presumed to be the former boss if the follower initiates the Strong Hand conversation, or a housecarl becomes the owner, or a follower who was not your owner buys you, or if you use the switch owner feature to make the playmate your owner.  Since this is new, in an ongoing game you're treated as not having been the boss.

 

Changed:  Ever think your owner is a witch?  "Broom" is a new option for the owner's punishment weapon.
Changed:  The owner's toy box now has a punishment broom that can be mounted on weapon racks, as well as a standard broom for use with sweeping mods.
Changed:  The toy box will only have display models for your version of the game.  SE models no longer say "Special Edition".
Changed:  Added Bone Gag to the choice of gags.
Changed:  Achievements have a new addition, Slave Whore of Skyrim (complete the Working Slave quest in all 9 holds).
Changed:  You will now see notifications when a playmate is trying to talk to you to ask for sex.
Changed:  Friendly to Improved Camera (uses the same camera handling as SS++).

 

Fixed:  Various fixes for Sex Slave (the owner demands sex event).  When following you to have sex at an inn, the owner will no longer get distracted by follower framework sandboxing.

 

Removed:  "Replace my collar" and "Replace my gag".  Changing the Collar or Gag setting now changes the equipped device.
Removed:  The "Playmate obeys nudity rule" MCM setting has been replaced by a submissiveness check.  Very Submissive playmates will obey the nudity rule; others won't.
Removed:  Hid the toggle to enable "toilet" content, which only had one short urination event.  The event still exists and will remain on if you had enabled it.  (You can still enable the event by editing exported settings to set NoMoreP to false, then importing.)

[Hex Bolt]

The list of changes is long, but at least read the top two items.  Also, if you have a playmate, be sure to update the new Playmate Dominance setting on the Roleplay page.

 

If you like the new broom punishment weapon, please take a moment to endorse Mother's Broom on Nexus, which allowed the use of its asset and even managed to make the broom compatible with both LE & SE.

 

This update adds even more tracking of your choices.  Of course, it an ongoing game, it has to use defaults for things that might have occurred in the past under older versions.  That's okay, your game won't break, but the owner might say a few things that don't quite match what happened before.

 

Trophy Slave received a lot of attention.  It has more content and is much more polished.  Each time the event triggers, the scenes will not repeat until you've seen all of the ones that are valid for your situation.  Some of the conditions are mutually exclusive, so you won't see them all during one enslavement.  Some scenes have no conditions, but these are the requirements for those that do:

Spoiler

- Was bought (auction or sold to your owner by Public Whore).

- Was not bought.

- You had been the "boss". *

- You had not been the "boss".

- Wearing a Lively or Very Lively item and vibration teasing is enabled.

 

* SLTR can't know how long the owner was a follower before you became a slave, so it guesses based on what it knows.  You are assumed to have been the boss of a follower if:

- The follower asked to enslave you during Strong Hand.

- The owner is a former playmate.

- You were bought, and the owner was a current follower.

- Follower is a housecarl.

Otherwise, it's assumed that you submitted shortly after recruiting the follower.  The determination is made by the Strong Hand quest (which also is used for auction enslavement).  In an ongoing game, the default is Not Boss.

 

Edited October 9, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[JustMe469]

2 hours ago, Hex Bolt said:

Version 2.1.8

 

 

New:  A new event, Sample the Merchandise.  You'll sometimes be told to offer your services for free to one person in town, with a score bonus if you select someone you've never serviced before.  People always accept, with a small chance to make a friend.  Seek out someone you've never serviced who's especially lonely and you might feel pretty good about yourself.

 

 

I really like the sounds of this new event! Everything else too, but I think this one could become my fav.

Thanks for being so active with these updates and the message board too! The updates keep it spicy, answering all the messages is what puts you over the top for mod authors! I follow a bunch of mods and can honestly say I haven't seen an author as attentive, helpful, and even diplomatic, as you. It's VERY much appreciated!

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, JustMe469 said:

I really like the sounds of this new event! Everything else too, but I think this one could become my fav.

Thanks for being so active with these updates and the message board too! The updates keep it spicy, answering all the messages is what puts you over the top for mod authors! I follow a bunch of mods and can honestly say I haven't seen an author as attentive, helpful, and even diplomatic, as you. It's VERY much appreciated!

Thank you!

[Anunya]

This all sounds very good. As always, thanks for your work on SubLola

 

I just want to make sure I understand correctly, if the follower is the one who initiates the Strong Hand conversation the mod assumes you used to order the follower around - is that correct?

 

 

[Hex Bolt]

54 minutes ago, Anunya said:

I just want to make sure I understand correctly, if the follower is the one who initiates the Strong Hand conversation the mod assumes you used to order the follower around - is that correct?

Correct.  The assumption is that if time passed between recruiting the follower and submitting to that follower, you gave orders (wait here, carry my stuff, and so on).  The only significance of this, at least for now, is for Trophy Slave.  You might be introduced as "my former boss who tried to order me around" or as someone who was so eager to be a slave that you immediately submitted upon meeting the follower.  Neither introduction is flattering, meaning that both are fun. 

 

The situation where you were bought at auction by a new follower (you were not the boss) is a bit of stretch for the scene that describes you as eagerly submitting, but it could apply if you were happy to have been bought by this owner.  With a limited number of scenes, the aim was to only exclude the ones that clearly don't fit.  They can be a surprise on the next enslavement if the situation is different.

Edited October 9, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[leking]

Hey friend.

 

I still dont get how it does not appear in the mcm menu?? Could it bez a load order priority or something ? I have the same problem with animal research the insatiable scholar. Thos two mods act  like if they were never installed... 

 

i checked and the pluggin are activated so...

 

What coul i be missing??

Edited October 9, 2024 by leking

[Hex Bolt]

18 minutes ago, leking said:

I still dont get how it does not appear in the mcm menu?? Could it bez a load order priority or something ? I have the same problem with animal research the insatiable scholar. Thos two mods act  like if they were never installed... 

Because they're not installed.  When you used the console command that I asked you to use to check for the presence of this mod in your game, you said "the other command found nothing."  I then told you, "That tells you that this mod did not load into your game.  You are probably missing a requirement."  You can try placing this mod last in your load order, but the most likely problem is a missing required mod.  The required mods must be installed and actually working.

[leking]

14 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

Because they're not installed.  When you used the console command that I asked you to use to check for the presence of this mod in your game, you said "the other command found nothing."  I then told you, "That tells you that this mod did not load into your game.  You are probably missing a requirement."  You can try placing this mod last in your load order, but the most likely problem is a missing required mod.  The required mods must be installed and actually working.

 

Thank you friend i will check for it.

[kingsglaive]

Maybe there should be a process for recruiting playmates?
Maybe the Master can ask Lola to recruit a new playmate?

[leking]

so i think ifigured out why the mod is not working for me.

 

It is probably because of my versionof zaz animations;

 

I installed ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SEREV3.7z from other mod page and it work with evey mod requiring zaz animation.

 

Saddly i can not at the time provide a link to the exact page cause i don't remember where exactly i got it on loverslab

 

when i tap it on the search bar i don't find it. i find other similar pack but not exactly the same with the exact same file name.

 

Back to submissive lola: 

 

In the requirements the zaz animation pack is not the exact same name but how can it differ so much from the one i am using???

 

Sorry for my noob question but i really don't master the subject.

 

What should i do ?? uninstal my current zaz pack and install the one provided for submissive lola ? Will it not alter my other mods which might need the pack i am currently using??

 

What are the differences between the two ??

 

EDIT: my zaz pack link comes from this page in the offsite requirement section: Alive Peeing SSE at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)

Edited October 10, 2024 by leking

[Hex Bolt]

53 minutes ago, leking said:

so i think ifigured out why the mod is not working for me.

 

It is probably because of my versionof zaz animations;

 

I installed ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+SEREV3.7z from other mod page and it work with evey mod requiring zaz animation.

 

Saddly i can not at the time provide a link to the exact page cause i don't remember where exactly i got it on loverslab

 

when i tap it on the search bar i don't find it. i find other similar pack but not exactly the same with the exact same file name.

 

Back to submissive lola: 

 

In the requirements the zaz animation pack is not the exact same name but how can it differ so much from the one i am using???

 

Sorry for my noob question but i really don't master the subject.

 

What should i do ?? uninstal my current zaz pack and install the one provided for submissive lola ? Will it not alter my other mods which might need the pack i am currently using??

 

What are the differences between the two ??

 

EDIT: my zaz pack link comes from this page in the offsite requirement section: Alive Peeing SSE at Skyrim Special Edition Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)

I strongly recommend that you remove the Zaz Animation Pack that you got from the Nexus mod and instead use an official version from LoversLab.  You can't know what changes might be in that other version, things that might break other mods.  (I have notified t.ara about this other mod.)

 

Look at the "Installation" paragraph on this mod's description page and use the links provided there for ZAP 8+.  That will probably solve the problem that you've been having.  Based on the comments for that pee mod, it looks like it works with the LoversLab version of ZAP, so there's no reason to install a mysterious version that you don't know what it contains.

[lovalter]

Just had the eye candy event for the first time, can't believe I'm still finding new stuff after months of using this (still haven't gotten the cooking one 😆). I really wanna emphasize just how much I appreciate your dialogue, it is stellar

[Hex Bolt]

52 minutes ago, lovalter said:

Just had the eye candy event for the first time, can't believe I'm still finding new stuff after months of using this (still haven't gotten the cooking one 😆). I really wanna emphasize just how much I appreciate your dialogue, it is stellar

Thanks!  The cooking tasks are blocked by having a vampire owner or by a food-blocking gag equipped on the PC.  Otherwise, one cooking task triggers in small towns and the other at player homes, though they compete with other tasks and so are not guaranteed (I see them fairly often, enough to be sure that I carry a few ingredients).

[lovalter]

11 minutes ago, Hex Bolt said:

Thanks!  The cooking tasks are blocked by having a vampire owner or by a food-blocking gag equipped on the PC.  Otherwise, one cooking task triggers in small towns and the other at player homes, though they compete with other tasks and so are not guaranteed (I see them fairly often, enough to be sure that I carry a few ingredients).

Oh that explains it, owner is vampire 

[kingsglaive]

Are you interested in adding clothes like this to Submissive Lola as Lola's designated clothes?
Or as a replacement for the Master's favorite sexy clothes (A Slave to Fashion)?
Clothing source:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/90892

[Talesien]

20 minutes ago, kingsglaive said:

Are you interested in adding clothes like this to Submissive Lola as Lola's designated clothes?
Or as a replacement for the Master's favorite sexy clothes (A Slave to Fashion)?
Clothing source:
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/90892

You could always 'abuse' the nudity rule for this and add it there.
Otherwise, far as I know Caernavon does only do SE (he certainly has no LE mods on the Nexus), so that makes it moot to even ask. Hex has made it clear many times that nothing that's not available for both LE and SE will make it into SLTR.

Personally I'm still hoping Hex will eventually see the light switch to SE and ditch LE. Nothing against the LE folks, but in the last 2-3 years we got so many cool toys for SE (KID, OAR, SkyPatcher to name just a few) that are unlikely to ever make it to LE and that could be used to make SLTR easier for Hex to develop while at the same time allow for much more customization. Especially, Skypatchers potential is insane in this regard. But alas it's not to be, not yet at least and even without those tools Hex continues to bring one of the most polished mods out there to us.

[wren888]

1 hour ago, Talesien said:

Personally I'm still hoping Hex will eventually see the light switch to SE and ditch LE. Nothing against the LE folks . . .

Please don't abandon us for the sake of some "cool toys," Hex Bolt. We LE folks love your mod.

 

Changing the subject, here's a little suggestion for your next update, whenever that may be.

 

First, the premise: after being enslaved by Master, Lola can get captured and sent to Simple Slavery, where he may have to buy her back (nicely done). He expresses his anger at how much he had to shell out. My suggestion is that he demand she pay him back every septim. If, after reclaiming her belongings from the box in the auctioneer's lectern, she doesn't have enough money, Master adds additional service time to her contract. Alternatively, or if there is no contract, appropriate punishment could be levied. For example, prolonged shocking, whipping, or spanking. Or perhaps a particularly humiliating activity if you feel inclined to add one. Begging a jarl for sex comes to mind. Or servicing an Empire/Stormcloak outpost as a prostitute, as Master sometimes muses he might do when at one. That would get him back some of his money too. I'd suggest restraints as a possibility, but one has to be careful adding them, right? They could significantly interfere with rest of the game.

 

All the best to you.

Edited October 12, 2024 by wren888

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

Are you interested in adding clothes like this to Submissive Lola as Lola's designated clothes?

I have considered a required outfit as a feature, but I decided that it's more trouble than it's worth.  Many players use clothing that goes in accessory slots, so any implementation would have to work with that, and periodically verifying that Lola is wearing the required clothing might be computationally intensive to keep checking those slots.  I generally favor keyword checking.

 

As @Talesien mentioned, you could require nudity as designate in the MCM the body clothing part of an outfit as the "nude alternative".

 

3 hours ago, kingsglaive said:

Or as a replacement for the Master's favorite sexy clothes (A Slave to Fashion)?

That event uses Devious Devices items.  I think it's best to limit the outfit to bondage items.

 

3 hours ago, Talesien said:

Otherwise, far as I know Caernavon does only do SE (he certainly has no LE mods on the Nexus), so that makes it moot to even ask.

A lot of clothing mods get ported to LE, but yeah, I don't think this one has.  Some are easier to port than others.

 

3 hours ago, Talesien said:

Nothing against the LE folks, but in the last 2-3 years we got so many cool toys for SE (KID, OAR, SkyPatcher to name just a few) that are unlikely to ever make it to LE and that could be used to make SLTR easier for Hex to develop while at the same time allow for much more customization.

There are some nice tools available, but I've seen things that push the fuzzy line between leading edge and bleeding edge.  Some new mods have multiple requirements that in turn each have several requirements, and some of those have to be properly set up and configured by the player rather than simply installed and activated.  We've all seen the number of posts from players having difficulty getting their mods set up.  Some players give up and use one of those mod lists.  A significant number of players are not technically savvy.  Some are older (we have members on this site in their seventies) and sometimes say that they aren't as sharp as they used to be.

 

I'd rather not add too many barriers to entry.  Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I've sensed an unfortunate shift on the site (no, I don't mean you, Talesien) away from being helpful and welcoming, as it was when I joined, to the attitude that players who have trouble setting up their mods should figure it out on their own and "get good" or stop using mods and go play something else.  "Go away, you're not smart like us" can get rid of pesky newbie questions, but it makes a community exclusionary and insular.  I don't want that.  When players ask newbie questions, I try to remember that that was me at one time, and I also try to picture a gray-haired grandma struggling to get her sex-themed Skyrim set up (go, Grandma, good for you!)  There's also VR and GOG players, who sometimes get left out by the coolest toys.  I'm certainly not opposed to cool new things, just mentioning potential side effects.

 

Edit:  I'm not opposed to linking to SE-only mods if it can be done fairly easily, since I wouldn't be testing it.  For example, if a mod that's only available for SE can have a feature triggered by SendModEvent or starting up a quest, that's really easy to add to SLTR, I'd just need a volunteer to test that it works.  The sticking point is that these things usually are not that simple or require more interaction than "fire and forget".

Edited October 12, 2024 by Hex Bolt

[Hex Bolt]

Oh, with regard to outfits, we've all probably encountered the problem with SkyUI outfit switching that it likes to try to remove devious devices, which messes things up.  I handled that in own games by tweaking one script to ignore locking devices.  It works great.  SkyUI's permissions don't allow modified assets to be distributed without permission, but if anyone is interested in this for educational purposes, I could attach the files for LE and SE in a post here.