Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[OH1972]

I'm probably blind, where in the MCM can I set up how often Mistress beckons Lola on her own initiative? She seems to get a bit ahead of herself, coming up with task upon task upon task, stacking them on top of each other, not always in combinations that are really feasible.

[Hex Bolt]

9 minutes ago, OH1972 said:

She seems to get a bit ahead of herself, coming up with task upon task upon task, stacking them on top of each other, not always in combinations that are really feasible.

This is most likely from having the extension installed.  Based on discussion a few posts back, I don't think the extension is using the mod's event blocking mechanism, which has the purpose of preventing tasks from being assigned when it's not practical to do them.  This mechanism prevents a time-sensitive task from starting while another is active.

 

It is normal to get a lot of tasks when you enter a town, but they shouldn't be stacked in ways that are impractical.  For example, when you enter a town, you might be given the prostitution job, and very soon after be told to fetch an ale.  Prostitution has no time limit, so it can wait while you do the other job.

 

12 minutes ago, OH1972 said:

where in the MCM can I set up how often Mistress beckons Lola on her own initiative?

Owner boredom delay, on the first page.  Be aware that boredom is only a factor if you don't offer service soon after you're able to (so the owner takes the initiative), and the setting has no effect on "location change" events, which start immediately if the conditions are met (including the event blocking mentioned above).  Based on the rest of your comment, I don't think that changing this will help you much, but I'm answering the question.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

Thinking more about SLTR and the Main Quest:

• So SLTR already detects dragon encounters.  Once the Dragonrend Shout is unlocked, Mistress could play a voice line during combat with a dragon, "Lola!  Dragonrend, now!" which would automatically grant Lola permission to Shout.  This would both solve a practical issue and just feel really cool.  General Mistress commanding the battle!
• After Arngeir forcegreets you the first time you enter High Hrothgar during The Way of the Voice, a little "you'd better not embarrass me" pep talk from Mistress would be fitting—you have a moment right after the initial forcegreet.  This could also automatically grant permission to shout until you finish The Way of the Voice—"do whatever Master Arngeir says".  
  • You could do something similar during The Throat of the World when the Dragonborn must learn and use Clear Skies and Fire Breath.

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

So SLTR already detects dragon encounters.

It was already in my mind to free Lola (possibly controlled with a setting) from shout restrictions during dragon battles or any combat that crosses the "Combat mercy" threshold.  Just setting expectations, I have a backlog of great suggestions and shout restrictions is further down the list.

 

1 hour ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

After Arngeir forcegreets you the first time you enter High Hrothgar during The Way of the Voice, a little "you'd better not embarrass me" pep talk from Mistress would be fitting—you have a moment right after the initial forcegreet. 

I don't think I can detect that exact moment without touching the vanilla quest, but detecting the moment that you enter High Hrothgar during the appropriate quest stage is doable.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

56 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

I don't think I can detect that exact moment without touching the vanilla quest, but detecting the moment that you enter High Hrothgar during the appropriate quest stage is doable.

There's a quest stage update after he talks to you (I think it's Stage 30?), so I'd think you could detect the current quest stage?

[shiagwen]

Last bug :

pc has to sweap the room in the inn, in winterhold. after finished repeat until done. next morning,, leaving tavern, shock and text sais you have to finish sweap the room until you can leave the inn.  i went back in, but there was no possibility to sweap, i asked mistress, nothing. went outside again, shock and text again. last numeric save was before ysgramos , so goodby lola.

[Talesien]

Sweep job in a tavern sounds odd, far as I know that should only happen in a player home. You got some mod that tag that inn (or ins in general) as player home?

Also for a modded game, you really ought to save more often.

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, shiagwen said:

i went back in, but there was no possibility to sweap, i asked mistress, nothing.

I don't see how that would happen, and I haven't had other reports of this.  Since your solution was "goodbye, Lola", it sounds like you've resolved the problem.

 

3 hours ago, Talesien said:

Sweep job in a tavern sounds odd, far as I know that should only happen in a player home.

No, it can occur in either location.

[Talesien]

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

No, it can occur in either location.

Interesting, if memory serves, I've never received it anywhere but in a Playerhome location.

[Hex Bolt]

47 minutes ago, Talesien said:

I've never received it anywhere but in a Playerhome location.

You have to rent a room, your home away from home.

[Jehuty599]

8 hours ago, shiagwen said:

Last bug :

pc has to sweap the room in the inn, in winterhold. after finished repeat until done. next morning,, leaving tavern, shock and text sais you have to finish sweap the room until you can leave the inn.  i went back in, but there was no possibility to sweap, i asked mistress, nothing. went outside again, shock and text again. last numeric save was before ysgramos , so goodby lola.

I've had this exact same bug happen to me with a mod added player home Ebongrove , it wasn't a big deal at the time because I have a habit of saving before entering/exiting any doors, so I just reverted to an earlier save. I've only had this happen once out of all the time I've played , so it seems extremely rare.

[Hex Bolt]

45 minutes ago, Jehuty599 said:

I've had this exact same bug happen to me with a mod added player home....

Okay, thanks for mentioning this.  I'll have to look at the quest again to handle the quest log clutter issue, so I'll look over the logic again at that time.

[shiagwen]

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

Okay, thanks for mentioning this.  I'll have to look at the quest again to handle the quest log clutter issue, so I'll look over the logic again at that time.

i wish you would make following option  ( i know you dont do it, but i want to say it at least ) :  

there is the possibility to shut down all events, and i mean rreally all things, except master fucking the pc, spank and whip the pc, and send her to prostitution, including the dialog for the pc to ask the master to do so to her. in fact, the master is a hard pimp.

on a longer way, in a full game, all these other things go on the nerves, you get impatient to end it.  they are cool for a time, but no longer. 

(or set really all actions at the cooldown list like sweaping, dancing, get naked, etc)

Edited June 14, 2022 by shiagwen

[Seeker999]

Hiya, been Lola'ing in Solztheim for a while and noticed a couple things. "I am Famous" and "Confessions of a Slave" can be impossible to complete. Since they pick npc's at random, if you haven't finished the quest ''Cleansing the Stones: Use the Bend Will shout to cleanse each of the remaining All-Maker Stones'' then you might be trying to talk to people who can't interact with you. Maybe attaching a couple of conditions about 'if on Solztheim ' and 'DLC2MQ03B (Cleansing stones) is complete' these 2 Lola quests are unavailable in Raven Rock? Unless there's an easy way to filter out the zombiefied npc's.

The other is probably simpler. I think the guard faction in Raven Rock is different than the base game because I had to go to Windhelm to get spanked.

Just some thoughts, I save often and if I use the console to complete a quest it's no biggie.

Enjoying the mod.

[balistaus]

Hello, can a random follower purchase you in the auction without you tinkering with mcm menu? I'm thinking maybe seeing 3 or more follower sitting on the auction chair and bidding for you.  That will be cool. Maybe a system where followers get jealous with each other and trying to kidnap and force collar you.

 

In any rate, I found a possibly an exploit. I purchased HF house near faarkath, Lake something. It seems like if you carry a lot of items and going in and outside your house, you'll trigger "let's go to town to unload or go home" event. I don't remember the exact event sorry. Essentially, you carry a lot of stuff from your home, go outside then owner trigger the event, your arm bound then you go back in your house, put your stuff into a chest, unbind, get your stuff out and carry it out again and loop. I did this around midnight in the game and raking point. I think I had like 90 score and it slowly going up.

 

Thanks for the mod, this is pretty much the only mod working for me lol.

 

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, balistaus said:

Hello, can a random follower purchase you in the auction without you tinkering with mcm menu?

No, only the one you selected in the MCM.

 

2 hours ago, balistaus said:

I found a possibly an exploit.

Only one?  ?  The game is full of them.  Amusing story, though.

[Cornoholio]

Say, is there a way to get sold right into it out of the alternate start dungeon? The auction apparentl only works when you have picked a follower ingame.

[Hex Bolt]

15 minutes ago, Cornoholio said:

Say, is there a way to get sold right into it out of the alternate start dungeon?

Only with console commands.  Knowing the ref ID of the desired follower, you could use "xxxxxxxx".moveto player to move the follower to you and select it in the MCM.  However, I strongly recommend entering the world first.  Some mods, possibly even this one, don't initialize well if started within an alternate start cell.  It's better to enter the world, save, reload, then get things started.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

29 minutes ago, Cornoholio said:

Say, is there a way to get sold right into it out of the alternate start dungeon? The auction apparentl only works when you have picked a follower ingame.

You can edit your follower to spawn into the LAL starter cell with you.  It's quite easy to do with the most basic knowledge of xEdit.  I have both Mistress and my playmate start in the starter cell with me on a new game.

[Gräfin Zeppelin]

I use this mod to get NPCs where I want them.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/76051?tab=description

[Antiope_Apollonia]

Well that was a new experience that surely mustn't be intended.

 

Upon loading a save right outside the front door of Lakeview Manor, Mistress beckoned and gave me the "I Am Famous" quest, with the targets being my Housecarl and my Steward... 'Sup with that?

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Upon loading a save right outside the front door of Lakeview Manor, Mistress beckoned and gave me the "I Am Famous" quest, with the targets being my Housecarl and my Steward.

Apparently, Hearthfire treats those player home areas as "habitations", which is the condition for that event.  This allows you to spread your fame in backwaters like Kyne's Grove, Karthwasten, and Rorikstead.  I will change the conditions to city or town.  Thank you for reporting this.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

10 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

Apparently, Hearthfire treats those player home areas as "habitations"

Huh, interesting.  If that's the case, shouldn't that mean you can't trigger "Time to Relax" in those locations?  Which would resolve some oddities and inconveniences—such as the "exploit" reported a few posts ago—in the process.

[Seeker999]

11 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Upon loading a save right outside the front door of Lakeview Manor, Mistress beckoned and gave me the "I Am Famous" quest, with the targets being my Housecarl and my Steward... 'Sup with that?

 I don't know ... maybe your steward and housecarl need to be reminded of who they're working for. Master/Mistress can enjoy the long term affects of your fame. ?

9 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

This allows you to spread your fame in backwaters like Kyne's Grove, Karthwasten, and Rorikstead.  I will change the conditions to city or town

I'd hate for those places to be left out. Then there are mods that build up areas such as Nightingale Inn and Darkwater Crossing that might also be left out of the 'fun'.. I think there are only 3 Hearthfire homes that would be affected: Lakeview Manor, Windstad Manor, and Hjelcherchen Hall (ignore spelling, please), can you just exclude those?

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, Seeker999 said:

I'd hate for those places to be left out.

As it turns out, Karthwasten and Rorikstead are marked as towns (as is Shor's Stone), though Kyne's Grove is not.  The trouble with the habitation keyword is that it's very broad.  It's used for farms, mills, and even (strangely) the Abandoned Shack.  It probably hasn't triggered much in those low-population areas because the quest requires two unique NPCs that meet the player's gender settings, and it won't find NPCs inside buildings.  I doubt that players will notice the change, except that it will prevent the event in odd places.

 

4 hours ago, Seeker999 said:

Then there are mods that build up areas such as Nightingale Inn and Darkwater Crossing that might also be left out of the 'fun'

If those mods build up an area enough, they might add the town keyword to let other mods treat it that way.