Submissive Lola: The Resubmission LE/SE

[Antiope_Apollonia]

11 minutes ago, xAlyxCatx said:

that fixed the dialogue issue  now i just gotta figure out why the SexLab doesn't want to work haha. 

Well, given what was wrong with SLTR, I'm just going to take a shot in the dark and say you haven't figured out how to set up FNIS—that's the most obvious point of failure.  Maybe look on YouTube for a tutorial if you're new to this stuff.  

[xAlyxCatx]

3 hours ago, Antiope_Appolonia said:

Well, given what was wrong with SLTR, I'm just going to take a shot in the dark and say you haven't figured out how to set up FNIS—that's the most obvious point of failure.  Maybe look on YouTube for a tutorial if you're new to this stuff.  

believe it or not, that part is set up properly. it keeps telling me its missing the Sexlabutil.dll on startup

 

[Straze]

Good Afternoon,

I have ran into an other minor problem.

Not sure if this is the right place to post it because I don't know which mod of the two fails to communicate with one another. 

 

Mods in Question: Devious Followers - Continued SE / Submissive Lola

Problem: After force enslaved into Submissive Lola through Devious Followers, I eventually get released at Submission Score of 51+. The dialogue to end Submissive Lola triggers and the Submissive Lola Quest(s) ends, but it does not re-enable (it was paused) Devious Followers. I have to manually enable it, and by doing the follower I was in debt with does not trigger and can not be made into Devious Follower again. 

 

Is there some patch I missed that makes those two mods work together, or something broke (I'm Rank 46 so it's a long playthrough).

 

Follower is: Illia (vanilla follower)

p.s. when I first made Illia into a Devious Follower, I had to use the MCM option to get the dialogue to show. Not sure if that could cause issues after Submissive Lola ends to re-enable DF-C with her as Follower.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Straze

[Dreamer1986]

Happy New Year and thank you for the update! 

[Hex Bolt]

7 hours ago, Straze said:

After force enslaved into Submissive Lola through Devious Followers, I eventually get released at Submission Score of 51+. The dialogue to end Submissive Lola triggers and the Submissive Lola Quest(s) ends, but it does not re-enable (it was paused) Devious Followers. I have to manually enable it, and by doing the follower I was in debt with does not trigger and can not be made into Devious Follower again. 

That would be a question for Devious Followers.  The two mods send messages to each other, but they don't interfere with how the other mod works.  When the Submissive Lola enslavement ended, this mod would have sent a message to DF to let it know that this happened.  I believe that DF should unpause itself then.  I don't know why it wouldn't.  The debt problem might because you had to force Illia to be recognized as a Devious Follower, but that's just a guess.

[Straze]

4 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

That would be a question for Devious Followers.  The two mods send messages to each other, but they don't interfere with how the other mod works.  When the Submissive Lola enslavement ended, this mod would have sent a message to DF to let it know that this happened.  I believe that DF should unpause itself then.  I don't know why it wouldn't.  The debt problem might because you had to force Illia to be recognized as a Devious Follower, but that's just a guess.

Alright, thanks for the response!
I was unsure which of the two may be the cause of the problem, I will contact Devious Followers Continued to see if there is a solution otherwise I will re-enable the enslavement for Submissive Lola (Looks like I can get re-enslaved by reading the Submissive Lola book in the inventory).
I'm glad that I can continue with my playthrough without getting stuck. ?

Thanks again!

Edited January 3, 2022 by Straze

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Straze said:

...otherwise I will re-enable the enslavement for Submissive Lola (Looks like I can get re-enslaved by reading the Submissive Lola book in the inventory).

Just to be clear, you don't have to read the book to have Devious Followers (DF) enslave you to this mod (SLTR) for high debt.  Reading the book (or just starting the quest from the MCM) lets you be enslaved by SLTR, whether or not DF is active.  You can be enslaved by both mods at the same time, but DF won't try to enslave you to SLTR if you're already enslaved by SLTR.

[kapibar]

@HexBolt8 a small suggestion for your consideration. The location of the book is extremely specific and it is highly unimmersive to go looking for it. Also, there's a long standing oversight regarding the follower dialogue in context of the book: it cannot actually be taken into the inventory and the PC states that he/she doesn't know why he/she kept it.

It actually doesn't make any sense. How the hell does the follower know that PC has read the book? OK, it can be explained by some dominant instinct or whatever, but it's not like this book is easily accessible. The whole scenario is far fetched at best.

In my opinion the whole experience would benefit from a slight adjustment - the book should be available in General Stores, so it can be actually a common item that might find its way into the PC inventory. It would be less improbable that the follower knows you have read the book, also it wouldn't require player to go out of the way to get a hold of Submissive Lola.

And yes, I'm aware that there is an MCM option that solves the problem, but from the roleplaying point of view it actually does exactly the same - the player has to make a concious decision that it is time to activate SL. It's very strange that the dialogue goes like "oh, and by the way, I know you're submissive" when it was actually activated by player's educated decision.

Anyway, it's been a while since I had an opportunity to use SL, can't wait to see what new content you have in store!

[Hex Bolt]

4 hours ago, kapibar said:

The location of the book is extremely specific and it is highly unimmersive to go looking for it. Also, there's a long standing oversight regarding the follower dialogue in context of the book: it cannot actually be taken into the inventory and the PC states that he/she doesn't know why he/she kept it.

I changed the ownership on the book at Haelga's place in the last update, based on someone else's request, so it can be taken now.  I also added a copy to the Bard College a long time back.

 

4 hours ago, kapibar said:

the player has to make a concious decision that it is time to activate SL.

I understand your meaning, but it's the nature of mods to allow the human player to choose the timing of significant changes.  This allows players to load a standard mod set at the start of a game, then activate changes when desired.  If the book were readily available, the human player would have to choose to have the PC avoid reading it until the timing is right, even though it's a topic that would interest the PC, which is also not immersive.

 

4 hours ago, kapibar said:

How the hell does the follower know that PC has read the book?

I can adjust the wording so that the book need not be in your possession.  It's a reasonable assumption that a book like that has a reputation, and everyone has at least heard of it.  Quite a few people might have secretly read it at some point.  It's not a stretch to assume that the PC either came across it in the past or knows about it.

 

The wording could easily change to the PC's opinion of the book without requiring the PC to have it.  I will do that for the next update.  This seems better than requiring the player to find a copy.  If the PC has an interest in a submissive relationship, it's part of that person's personality; a dominant follower would notice.  Mentioning the book is just a way to start a tricky conversation.  Hopefully this approach still satisfies your concerns.

[Hex Bolt]

3 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

The wording could easily change to the PC's opinion of the book without requiring the PC to have it.  I will do that for the next update.

This is done now.  Wording for starts initiated by a follower or hireling no longer assume that you have the Lola book, though your future owner believes that you know about it and guesses that you've probably read it.  The follower/hireling is now slightly more forceful, and mentions having had a collar already picked out for you.  I also replaced some word choices that sounded a little too 21st century (e.g., "male pride", "release your inhibitions").

[kapibar]

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I changed the ownership on the book at Haelga's place in the last update, based on someone else's request, so it can be taken now.  I also added a copy to the Bard College a long time back.

I was totally and completely unaware of the copy in the Bard's College. Well, I suppose that takes care of things, delayed thanks ;).

And one more question for you while we're at it - have you considered introducing SLR's compatibility with Sexlab Survival? It has few intresting functionalities, like licences. Since Lola already cannot wear any armor (or clothes), the follower could take away corresponding licences. The weapon and magic licences could also be taken away, since the follower does the fighting and Lola does the other thing. Just an idea for your consideration.

Also, another suggestion. I noticed there aren't any mods that would force the player into marriage, Submissive Lola has a lot of potential to fill this niche. It would also make more sense during the sweeping quest, when the follower states that player's house is his/her own. I imagine it working like that: bring me the amulet, kneel and ask me nicely, or else. Since the whole arrangement already can be permanent, might as well make it official.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

I was totally and completely unaware of the copy in the Bard's College. Well, I suppose that takes care of things, delayed thanks ;).

  

On 12/12/2020 at 7:05 AM, HexBolt8 said:

How Do I Start?

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At a minimum, look over the settings on the mod's main MCM page.  Some of them, like starting contract time, won't be available after you've submitted to your follower.

 

The classic start is to find and read the book Submissive Lola under Haelga's bed in the Bunkhouse (there's also a copy in the Bards College).

 

Why does nobody ever read mod descriptions?

[Talesien]

19 minutes ago, Antiope_Appolonia said:

Why does nobody ever read mod descriptions?

Because we are all f*cking geniuses, and reading manuals is for lesser folks, hence it's humiliating to us. (Been there done that. ^^)

[Hex Bolt]

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

have you considered introducing SLR's compatibility with Sexlab Survival?

I wasn't planning to.  Sending mod events is one thing, but handling licenses requires a bit of involvement with another mod's internals.  At this mod's minimum setting, Lola isn't required to be naked except at home.

 

2 hours ago, kapibar said:

I noticed there aren't any mods that would force the player into marriage

I probably won't do anything there, because to me marriage feels like a promotion.  Skyrim's marriage system is also pretty underwhelming.

 

23 minutes ago, Antiope_Appolonia said:

Why does nobody ever read mod descriptions?

Interestingly, I just wrote a new addition for the mod page today, "This is Fantasy".  To avoid notification spam, I won't post it until the next update.  It doesn't come up often, but sometimes people come here expecting a modern-day D/S relationship with safe words and boundaries, so I wanted to set expectations.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

55 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

It doesn't come up often, but sometimes people come here expecting a modern-day D/S relationship with safe words and boundaries, so I wanted to set expectations.

I know I've said this before, but I still think adding an optional "safe word" lesser power that toggles the "suspend all events" MCM feature would be a good design decision.  It'd be both a more convenient and a more immersive way to suspend SLTR in situations where one needs or wants to do so, and if people don't want to have the power, they could disable it in the MCM.  

 

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

I probably won't do anything there, because to me marriage feels like a promotion.  Skyrim's marriage system is also pretty underwhelming.

I kind of like the idea of building marriage into it if it were done right.  You could bypass the vanilla marriage process à la NFF's "elope" feature and build it into the 100 submission "something permanent" path.  It's a little weird still having the option to marry whomever despite your SLTR status.  

[CaptainJ03]

13 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I changed the ownership on the book at Haelga's place in the last update, based on someone else's request, so it can be taken now.  I also added a copy to the Bard College a long time back.

That would have been me, ages ago. Was unaware of the copy in the Bard's College though.

 

4 hours ago, Antiope_Appolonia said:

  Why does nobody ever read mod descriptions?

Read yes, re-read after playing this mod for ages? No.

 

4 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I wasn't planning to. (add SLR's compatibility with Sexlab Survival)

Thank you for not even considering. I've tried SLS once and was so annoyed with the misogyny that I wanted to make a Big Femdom Overhaul - until I realised that I would have to write and code it myself...

 

2 hours ago, Antiope_Appolonia said:

I know I've said this before, but I still think adding an optional "safe word" lesser power that toggles the "suspend all events" MCM feature would be a good design decision.

Oh, please don't. As the lesser power uses the shout key, you don't want to know how often I've slammed into walls using Whirlwind Sprint instead of kneeling down, because I was unaware which action was linked to that key in this moment. Suspending Lola because you're stupid is a bad idea. ?

[kapibar]

48 minutes ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Read yes, re-read after playing this mod for ages? No.

Exactly. After some time the thing that matters most to the user is the content of an update(s), there's rarely a point in reading the entire description all over again.

 

5 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I wasn't planning to.  Sending mod events is one thing, but handling licenses requires a bit of involvement with another mod's internals.  At this mod's minimum setting, Lola isn't required to be naked except at home.

Yeah, but at the same time max setting forces Lola to be naked everywhere (my preference), so there's that. Anyway, this was just a suggestion. I remember seeing some kind of compatibility between Devious Followers (which I rarely use) and SLS, so I figured this might be something that might pick your intrest as it adds to SLR without forcing you to do the legwork.

 

5 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

I probably won't do anything there, because to me marriage feels like a promotion.  Skyrim's marriage system is also pretty underwhelming.

So is the Skyrim's follower system, but someone made it more intresting wink wink ?.

Edited January 5, 2022 by kapibar

[Hex Bolt]

10 hours ago, kapibar said:

Yeah, but at the same time max setting forces Lola to be naked everywhere (my preference), so there's that.

And there's nothing wrong with that.  The option exists for those who want it.  However, understand that you do miss out on a few event variations because you can't strip.  A change in the next update adds a chance to require you to do an event naked, to add a bit of variety.

 

10 hours ago, kapibar said:

So is the Skyrim's follower system, but someone made it more intresting wink wink

I'm not brave enough to take on a marriage overhaul.  But as I see it, wearing a collar and wearing a ring both indicate that you belong to that person.  It's a different relationship, but with a contract or "kept" status it is binding.  So, I tend not to even think about marriage as an option.

[kapibar]

1 hour ago, HexBolt8 said:

I'm not brave enough to take on a marriage overhaul.  But as I see it, wearing a collar and wearing a ring both indicate that you belong to that person.  It's a different relationship, but with a contract or "kept" status it is binding.  So, I tend not to even think about marriage as an option.

Just for the record, there is a very cool mod that adds a little bit of spice to the marriage experience. Unfortunately it seems that @Srende gave up on the LL community and it hasn't been updated for ages (which is a shame because it is very cute). I don't know if you're familiar with it, as I assume chastity isn't your thing, but you might want to take a look at it, if only for inspiration.
 

 

[CaptainJ03]

28 minutes ago, Kenway21 said:

I like to make more use of the dance animations so how about a "Dance naked in front of the jarl" or at the center of a city market.

Uh, this is where personal taste comes into play. I've set the cooldown for dancing set to 100 days, and am a real fan of that silly Cicero dance, because it's over soon.

 

44 minutes ago, Kenway21 said:

Also in the "lights out" event, can you make a toggle to make the blindfold "locked" instead of the pc removing and equipping it.

We had this in earlier versions, but that led to unfair zapping. When you're in heavy bondage, you cannot unequip anything, but you're supposed to take the blindfold off at a certain time in the evening.

[Naps-On-Dirt]

3 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

Uh, this is where personal taste comes into play. I've set the cooldown for dancing set to 100 days, and am a real fan of that silly Cicero dance, because it's over soon.

I should do that too, I really don't like any of the dance animations.  I don't find the K-pop dances to be sexy, they're just.... weird.  If people have made those, how come no one has made pole dancing animations?  Or Salma Hayek's dance in From Dusk Till Dawn?

[Hex Bolt]

5 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said:

We had this in earlier versions, but that led to unfair zapping. When you're in heavy bondage, you cannot unequip anything, but you're supposed to take the blindfold off at a certain time in the evening.

Adding to this, I believe the challenge is to remember to equip & unequip it at the right times.  It's only available at a high score, so it's a test of obedience.

 

2 hours ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

I should do that too, I really don't like any of the dance animations.  I don't find the K-pop dances to be sexy, they're just.... weird.

Ever since the Daedra opened that portal to Korea, Skyrim hasn't been the same.  The Belly dance (first in the list) is a bit dull, but it doesn't seem weird.  The last TDF dance, Sweet Devil, is mostly hip action.

 

If anyone finds a suitable dance mod, preferably one that's available for LE & SE so no one gets left out, I should be able to soft link to it like I do with the TDF dances.  However, back when I was working on dancing, I combed through various dance mods (here and on Nexus) and didn't find anything that fit.  Some had nice dances, but they move the camera high, way up through the roof, which is unacceptable for use here (using a free camera command to manually move the viewpoint back just isn't satisfactory).

 

2 hours ago, Naps-On-Dirt said:

how come no one has made pole dancing animations?

They're in ZAP, but not used by this mod.

 

6 hours ago, Kenway21 said:

I like to make more use of the dance animations so how about a "Dance naked in front of the jarl" or at the center of a city market.

In the realm of public dancing, tavern dancing is already on my list.  I'll add dancing for the jarl (naked might be an option for that) to the list, to show off your obedience above a suitable score.  I have some ideas to make that a little more than just a dance.

 

Edit:  Dancing for the jarls of all 9 holds to show everyone what a good pet you are might be a long-term quest.  I don't know what I could do for a reward, though, maybe just something for completionists to do.

Edited January 6, 2022 by HexBolt8

[Antiope_Apollonia]

7 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

The Belly dance (first in the list) is a bit dull, but it doesn't seem weird.  The last TDF dance, Sweet Devil, is mostly hip action.

I like "Sephy Disco" and "Sexy".  "Sexy AJ" is fine if you turn the duration down significantly, but it very rapidly very repetitive, so I don't have it enabled currently.  I have "Groove" enabled for variety, but I often consider disabling it, because it's a little too frenetic.  

 

I spent some time digging through dance mods not too long ago, and most of what people are making seems to be long dances that are fully scripted to a particular song.  Often Kpop.  I couldn't find anything I really cared for.  

[Anunya]

2 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

In the realm of public dancing, tavern dancing is already on my list.  I'll add dancing for the jarl (naked might be an option for that) to the list, to show off your obedience above a suitable score.  I have some ideas to make that a little more than just a dance.

 

Edit:  Dancing for the jarls of all 9 holds to show everyone what a good pet you are might be a long-term quest.  I don't know what I could do for a reward, though, maybe just something for completionists to do.

 

Well the reward is that your master is happy (and submission scores go up, not down)! That is more than enough

 

But brainstorming rewards/ consequences for completing all the jarl dances:

 

- custom dancing outfit or accessory.

- fame - after completing the 9 jarl's holds occasionally people will approach saying something like "isn't that the famous dancing whore? Can I see her dance?" triggering a dance request (and who knows what else).

- the ability to dance for your master instead of getting whipped as punishment every so often. "You should be punished... but I'd rather watch you dance."

- the ability to get a free meal at the palaces in return for a dance.

- a piece of jewelry (necklace, ear rings, nose ring) to pretty Lola up now that she's used to serving in fancy places. Of course, you better wear it for the right occasions and take it off when it's not the right occasion....

 

It still leaves us with the fact that none of the available dances are particularly awesome...

 

... which makes me almost tempted to spend some money on getting someone to animate something and make it available. I guess the main thing is to make sure that the new animation is in the right format to easily be used. Are there any animators out there who take Skyrim commissions? And if not, how complicated is it to set up to animate for Skyrim I wonder....?

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, Anunya said:

fame - after completing the 9 jarl's holds occasionally people will approach saying something like "isn't that the famous dancing whore? Can I see her dance?" triggering a dance request (and who knows what else).

Thanks.  I added this to the list.

 

For those who don't much care for the dancing, I'll just suggest that adding some custom music improves the experience.