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Nymra

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On 7/9/2021 at 7:40 AM, Lunarwolf989 said:

so Im having an issue during the captivity event when it says "you are bound tight" my character stands up and I never get bound into furniture I just stand still and I have to use the command setstage nade_Captivequest 1000 to get unstuck, I've tried to fix it myself first by reloading an old save which didnt work then I started a new game which also didnt work then I reinstalled it which also hasn't worked and I have followed the debugging guide but it didnt help so I cant think of anything else I could and If you need any more info let me know oh and I am on LE

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did you install ZAP Framework 8+ correctly?

 

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[07/09/2021 - 12:24:51AM] ERROR: Cannot place a None object
stack:
    [ (00000014)].Actor.PlaceAtMe() - "<native>" Line ?
    [nade_CaptureQuest (9E172C7E)].nade_capturequest_qf_scr.CreateFurniture() - "nade_capturequest_qf_scr.psc" Line 461
    [nade_CaptureQuest (9E172C7E)].nade_capturequest_qf_scr.Fragment_2() - "nade_capturequest_qf_scr.psc" Line 177
[07/09/2021 - 12:24:51AM] NAKED DEFEAT: capturequest stage 1000
[07/09/2021 - 12:24:52AM] [SLP]         thisKeyword: [Keyword <_SLP_ParasiteSprigganGloves (3380ADA8)>]
[07/09/2021 - 12:24:57AM] SEXLAB - NOTICE: ValidateActor(bandit) -- TRUE -- HIT

 

might be your game cannot find the required furniture with usually comes from false or missing ZAP framework. 

Lunarwolf989

Lunarwolf989

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17 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

did you install ZAP Framework 8+ correctly?

 

 

might be your game cannot find the required furniture with usually comes from false or missing ZAP framework. 

so I managed to fix it and it was ZAP Framework not being installed correctly thanks 

 

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Dark Mirror

Dark Mirror

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I'm trying some mod combinations, but I'm not sure if they arent working because I did something wrong or because I'm missing some configuration.

 

For starters, the idea is to get Defeat (Because I like some of it's player aggressor features) Submit (Because it has useful dialogues) Dragonborn in Distress (The trauma and addiction system is nice), and finally Naked Defeat for the actual surrender/defeat scenarios.

I'm aware they aren't supposed to be compatible, but in theory, each can be disabled in order to keep just the features one likes and choose 1 for each thing.

 

But I also added Debauchery and Simple Slavery, which in eavery description says they are supposed to integrate with defeat mods and with each other.

Now that's when things started failing.

 

Tried new game, and surrendering (via naked defeat) to some low level bandits.

It was working well but then a box message popped up "you've been sent to slavery" or something like that, except it didn't happen.

Next, there was a red message saying that it was time to run. And this happened every time, and neither SD nor SS ever triggered.

Am I missing some config thing, or game progress, is this how it's supposed to be?

Could this be an issue with SD or is it more related to ND?

Manually triggered Simple Slavery via MCM later and the auction worked, and so did a random destination after it.

The next problem was that apparently, my character was enslaved, but there was no real master (It triggered one of devious cidhna's quests, but even after completing it, SD sill considered my char enslaved to something that didn't seem to exist)

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Wolfram..

Wolfram..

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Sometimes when i get in a bound situation ,and get out of it.. I am not only immortal ,but everybody is suddenly "friendly" until i attack them ,and when they attack me i don't take any damage what so ever.. even jumping off a high cliff didn't damage me..

Sgt. Marge

Sgt. Marge

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5 hours ago, Wolfram64 said:

Sometimes when i get in a bound situation ,and get out of it.. I am not only immortal ,but everybody is suddenly "friendly" until i attack them ,and when they attack me i don't take any damage what so ever.. even jumping off a high cliff didn't damage me..

 

On the download page for this mod, there is a debugging section.  I will paste it in below, in a spoiler tag.  Check this out as it could be what's causing the issue.

 

 

Spoiler

Helpful mods for Debugging:

 

Sexlab Disparity
Go to "debug" and look for a thing called "mutex". The mutex should be Locked (1) when Naked Defeat starts and OK (0) when it stops.

The mutex tracks dhlp suspend/resume events and "protects" scenes from other mods that start sex. 

So if you are bound to a furniture, civilian rape mods like Sexlab Adventures should NOT trigger. 

 

Skyrim Utiliry Mod (SUM) by inte
Go to MCM "Factions" tab. When Naked Defeat starts you should become member of the "Harmless Faction" (True) - appears at the bottom for me of the MCM page.

If Naked Defeat is over, you should no longer be in that faction.

Harmless Faction is friends with all and everything (except for the typical skyrim oddities and mods that I did not track yet) and prevents NPC from attacking you.

So if you are attacked while in Naked Defeat -> check SUM MCM for harmless faction

Also if Enemies dont attack you afterwards -> check SUM MCM for harmless faction

 

 

DEBUG: When you enter bleedout and the quest does not start (you just stand up again), I m sorry but you need to do this:
- load an earlier save (if its not too long ago) and check if its working there (best method. In modded Skyrim you are advised to save often in all cases).
 

OR follow these exact steps: 
1 - deactivate Naked Defeat in MCM/System
2 - save game A and exit
3 - uninstall Naked Defeat
4 - load the game A
5 - save game A and exit
6 - use save cleaner (ReSaver, Fallrim Tools, whatever) to clean the saved game A
7 - save the cleaned save A as a new save B
8 - reinstall Naked Defeat
9 - load save B 
10 - enable Defeat
11 - for me the first defeat was broken again, but then the quest started

 

some ppl suggest waiting for 48 hours or longer after uninstalling a mod (in step 4, before step 5), but I skipped it and it worked for me.

 

How to avoid such things:

if Naked Defeat shows unexpected behaviour, immediatly load an earlier save.

Things like this:

- no rape starts while clearly there are enemies in the area.

- mod starts twice (messages doubled, can happen when you surrender and THEN get into bleedout (working on it...)

- sex scenes start but look broken (actors missing etc.)

 

EDIT: I also wanted to experiment with removing Essentiality from PC while NADE is disabled and then see, but I had not time to test that. 

 

DEBUG: When whippers are stuck or dont show up
- wait 1 ingame hour (via hotkey) or press debug key to skip whipping

 

Wolfram..

Wolfram..

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53 minutes ago, Marg597 said:

 

On the download page for this mod, there is a debugging section.  I will paste it in below, in a spoiler tag.  Check this out as it could be what's causing the issue.

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

Helpful mods for Debugging:

 

Sexlab Disparity
Go to "debug" and look for a thing called "mutex". The mutex should be Locked (1) when Naked Defeat starts and OK (0) when it stops.

The mutex tracks dhlp suspend/resume events and "protects" scenes from other mods that start sex. 

So if you are bound to a furniture, civilian rape mods like Sexlab Adventures should NOT trigger. 

 

Skyrim Utiliry Mod (SUM) by inte
Go to MCM "Factions" tab. When Naked Defeat starts you should become member of the "Harmless Faction" (True) - appears at the bottom for me of the MCM page.

If Naked Defeat is over, you should no longer be in that faction.

Harmless Faction is friends with all and everything (except for the typical skyrim oddities and mods that I did not track yet) and prevents NPC from attacking you.

So if you are attacked while in Naked Defeat -> check SUM MCM for harmless faction

Also if Enemies dont attack you afterwards -> check SUM MCM for harmless faction

 

 

DEBUG: When you enter bleedout and the quest does not start (you just stand up again), I m sorry but you need to do this:
- load an earlier save (if its not too long ago) and check if its working there (best method. In modded Skyrim you are advised to save often in all cases).
 

OR follow these exact steps: 
1 - deactivate Naked Defeat in MCM/System
2 - save game A and exit
3 - uninstall Naked Defeat
4 - load the game A
5 - save game A and exit
6 - use save cleaner (ReSaver, Fallrim Tools, whatever) to clean the saved game A
7 - save the cleaned save A as a new save B
8 - reinstall Naked Defeat
9 - load save B 
10 - enable Defeat
11 - for me the first defeat was broken again, but then the quest started

 

some ppl suggest waiting for 48 hours or longer after uninstalling a mod (in step 4, before step 5), but I skipped it and it worked for me.

 

How to avoid such things:

if Naked Defeat shows unexpected behaviour, immediatly load an earlier save.

Things like this:

- no rape starts while clearly there are enemies in the area.

- mod starts twice (messages doubled, can happen when you surrender and THEN get into bleedout (working on it...)

- sex scenes start but look broken (actors missing etc.)

 

EDIT: I also wanted to experiment with removing Essentiality from PC while NADE is disabled and then see, but I had not time to test that. 

 

DEBUG: When whippers are stuck or dont show up
- wait 1 ingame hour (via hotkey) or press debug key to skip whipping

 

Got it running by deactivating ,save ,disable in startup ,save again.. clean the new save and then enable in startup again... Also did some changes in the start order ,haven't had any problem since.. So i think it is solved.. exept the camera ,when i'm put on a device... Not a big issue though..

Marauderrr

Marauderrr

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23 hours ago, Wolfram64 said:

Sometimes when i get in a bound situation ,and get out of it.. I am not only immortal ,but everybody is suddenly "friendly" until i attack them ,and when they attack me i don't take any damage what so ever.. even jumping off a high cliff didn't damage me..

 

Sometimes the toggle godmode flag that the mod enables stays on if ND fires and gets interrupted by another mod maybe?

Not sure cuz it has only happened a couple of times. Go to console and use the tgm command to remove invulnerability,

If no one is attacking, try tcai - toggle combat AI and make sure it is enabled.

 

Wolfram..

Wolfram..

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1 minute ago, Wolfram64 said:

Have read alot about this "ZAP Framework" i haven't been able to dig up any info on what that may be ,or where to get it...

Regarding god mode..i have never used that command... i either put on a ton of health.. or i make myseslf essential... and none of those can make me not loose health at all. Am researching as i go along ,and find that there are certain mods (that's not in the list) that can interfere with the mod... I'll figure it out :)

 

CaptainJ03

CaptainJ03

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51 minutes ago, Wolfram64 said:

Have read alot about this "ZAP Framework" i haven't been able to dig up any info on what that may be ,or where to get it...

That would be ZaZ Animation Pack v8.0 plus

There had been a ninth version in progress, but that thread is gone. I'd guess that it moved to tara's patreon.

kurioboy

kurioboy

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Excellent mod, Sound very promising,

I really love how this mod manage DD comptability and Handcuff animation

 

Also i have to uninstall for now, the fact the PC absolutly never die (even when not in combat) is not what i'm looking for

i'll keep an eye on this

 

Edited by kurioboy
After some digging in this topic, this mod don't interrest me anymore (Too much breaking realism atm)
Nymra

Nymra

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10 hours ago, kurioboy said:


After some digging in this topic, this mod don't interrest me anymore (Too much breaking realism atm)

 

? realism he said... 

Nymra

Nymra

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6 minutes ago, kurioboy said:

Yup, any problem with that?

 

 

ofc. last time I checked this was loverslab porngame hub :P
 

Well, you know, I appreciate feedback, but such a broadside that gives no detail or is in any way constructive... and then brings funny keywords like realism, no thx :)

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kurioboy

kurioboy

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Porngame hub uh?

 

i liked ND, especially the lock/handcuff management that SLDefeat lack sadly.

But the fact that your mod just totally suppress death, even fall damage death totally break immersion into the Lore i'm trying to produce on my playthought

That's why i get back to SLDefeat.

 

If in the future you add a simple MCM option like "Chance to die after hit 0hp (and ignore what this mod does)" Customisable from 0 to 100% for full access to user preference

I'll surely gladly re-install ND.

 

Very cool mod tho, Very simple to use, with the "vanilla death" option it would be perfect to my use.

 

I just mistaken your mod as a newer and better SLDefeat, but without the vanilla death, i'll keep the old one

 

As you said, Your mod is just for porngame

 

Not for me, i'm not looking into just jerk off a porngame with the skin of skyrim

 

I'm looking for transforming skyrim into a more Immersive,Harder game,Darker rpg world,way more adult where i can play some whole playthough, As playing beautifull&young Female PC only. I obviously wanted a rape chance if i loose against bandit..etc

 

TLDR : I tried your mod, was very good but not for my immersive goal so i uninstalled, don't be that mad for that please (and keep up your good work) ❤️

 

ps : I kinda finally achieved the perfect skyrim i was looking for, if someone interrested, PM me

Nymra

Nymra

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41 minutes ago, kurioboy said:

Porngame hub uh?

 

i liked ND, especially the lock/handcuff management that SLDefeat lack sadly.

But the fact that your mod just totally suppress death, even fall damage death totally break immersion into the Lore i'm trying to produce on my playthought

That's why i get back to SLDefeat.

 

If in the future you add a simple MCM option like "Chance to die after hit 0hp (and ignore what this mod does)" Customisable from 0 to 100% for full access to user preference

I'll surely gladly re-install ND.

 

this is a feature planned for next version. 

I also want to add enemy detection to prevent the fall down thing.

In future versions I want to also implement exectution scenarios, so you can still die even when you surrender. 

 

41 minutes ago, kurioboy said:

 

Very cool mod tho, Very simple to use, with the "vanilla death" option it would be perfect to my use.

 

see, this is the kind of feedback I like. 

I see if I can also add an option to die when not defeated instead of getting back up. 
 

41 minutes ago, kurioboy said:

I just mistaken your mod as a newer and better SLDefeat, but without the vanilla death, i'll keep the old one

 

Defeat is the common term for beeing defeated in combat and not die but beeing raped. Hence the description. I honestly never really considered the other features of Defeat.

 

41 minutes ago, kurioboy said:

As you said, Your mod is just for porngame

Not for me, i'm not looking into just jerk off a porngame with the skin of skyrim

 

so is Sexlab Defeat :)

 

41 minutes ago, kurioboy said:

 

I'm looking for transforming skyrim into a more Immersive,Harder game,Darker rpg world,way more adult where i can play some whole playthough, As playing beautifull&young Female PC only. I obviously wanted a rape chance if i loose against bandit..etc

 

TLDR : I tried your mod, was very good but not for my immersive goal so i uninstalled, don't be that mad for that please (and keep up your good work) ❤️

 

see, immersion is a totally different word than realism :P
I also dont care if ppl like my mod or not (or use it or not), its just about how feedback is given. 

and of course I try to consider all constructive feedback given, because alot of options make mods good and useable in the first place.

 

 

Wolfram..

Wolfram..

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Dying is a fun feature in skyrim.. Screen goes blank ,and one wake up on a save that's 3 hours old with amnesia...And have to start doing the lost things all over... If one could fall in to coma ,and wake up somewhere in the wilderness, would be better... I like the mod a lot.. It has some small issues ,but over all very good :)

philyb

philyb

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Great mod. I used defeat many years ago, but always disliked the way they would just let you go unless you had other mods installed. This is lightweight, uses different devices and essentially leaves you tied up until you decide (can) to escape, which is more realistic to me and what I'm looking for. I haven't used it a ton yet, but do captors re-use you after you've been put into the device or at you left to your own devices and sometimes being whipped after being strung up?

CaptainJ03

CaptainJ03

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1 hour ago, philyb said:

I haven't used it a ton yet, but do captors re-use you after you've been put into the device or at you left to your own devices and sometimes being whipped after being strung up?

They do, IIRC that depends on your MCM settings. Sometimes you get a second round at being whipped or raped, sometimes they just tie you up and let you go... uhm... hobble away in your restraints, and sometimes you're sold als a slave via SS++

Guest AthenaESIV

Guest AthenaESIV

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Would it be possible to have an MCM option to disable this mod from proc'ing on bleedout / death? I love using it just for manual hotkey surrender :)

Wolfram..

Wolfram..

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I think that maybe changing the bleedout ,to a knockdown scenario would work better ,because at lvl 10+ one almost never go in to bleedout in battle.. Or me atleast.. But if one had a chance of being knocked out by a power attack ,and then got raped and or tied up and whipped... And if one didn't get away in time after the "session".. one could still die if beaten to zero health... Just a thought.. one could then make the mod work as intended ,whithout being "immortal"..

 

Wolfram..

Wolfram..

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On 7/25/2021 at 12:28 AM, AthenaESIV said:

Would it be possible to have an MCM option to disable this mod from proc'ing on bleedout / death? I love using it just for manual hotkey surrender :)

You can always put a large ammount of health on yourself ,since the mod automaticly kicks in at zero health.... For example. If you open the console and type: Player.modav health 200000

You will get a lot of health ,and will probably not go in to bleedout unless you are beaten with a greatsword for 2 hours.. Then you can use the hotkey whenever you want..

CaptainJ03

CaptainJ03

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7 hours ago, Wolfram64 said:

I think that maybe changing the bleedout ,to a knockdown scenario would work better ,because at lvl 10+ one almost never go in to bleedout in battle.. Or me atleast.. But if one had a chance of being knocked out by a power attack ,and then got raped and or tied up and whipped... And if one didn't get away in time after the "session".. one could still die if beaten to zero health... Just a thought.. one could then make the mod work as intended ,whithout being "immortal"..

I am all against it. Dunno if you ever used the defeat scenario from Deviously Cursed Loot, but there you go down and lose the battle for no apparent reason. An enemy doing a power attack, or hitting you from behind, yourself wearing leg cuffs. In my opinion that's ridiculous.

You are right, that it's rare to lose a battle after certain levels, but from time to time it happens. I don't use Naked Defeat as a scenario that I want to experience regularly, but as a backup to continue playing, instead of having to reload.

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