Naked Defeat LE

[kaizersoze27]

17 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

there are already mods taking care of NPC vs NPC. It is not planned to add such feature to Naked Defeat at any point. 

 

I see. Any of those mods you may suggest to me please? Thank you

[MyJammies]

10 hours ago, Nymra said:

when you are in the furniture and struggle it can happen that you are raped again. Does this happen for you occasionaly?

 

Nope. Had some "Your escape attempts have been noticed" and a whipping seen but never a "Your captors want more". I don't really have a lot of messages in the upper left corner. Just the debug ones I turned on. The rape on defeat is always preceded by "You are fucked" message. Btw, I appreciate that you coloured it red. Helps me identify the mod very easily.

 

I'll play around with the mod a bit and see if I can get this message to show up.

[Nymra]

7 hours ago, kaizersoze27 said:

I see. Any of those mods you may suggest to me please? Thank you

 

Its been years since I used them, I dont need any NPC on NPC action anymore.

There is some mod that makes NPC have sex with each other (I think its consensual, tho) and then ofc there is sexlab aroused creatures. 

Scent of Sex I think can do this also. 

 

But as suggested several times you can use SL Defeat alongside Naked Defeat. Just disable its "NPC rapes PC" feature. "NPC rapes NPC" and "PC rapes NPC" should still work. 

[Nymra]

5 hours ago, MyJammies said:

 

Nope. Had some "Your escape attempts have been noticed" and a whipping seen but never a "Your captors want more". I don't really have a lot of messages in the upper left corner. Just the debug ones I turned on. The rape on defeat is always preceded by "You are fucked" message. Btw, I appreciate that you coloured it red. Helps me identify the mod very easily.

 

I'll play around with the mod a bit and see if I can get this message to show up.

 

do you have the latest version?

Might be you just got unlucky. 

I suggest you set escape chance on 5% and try some times. The chance should be 1 in 6, so if you are not in furniture very long you might just have missed it up until this point.

[Clockwinding]

Hello,

just wanted to recount some series of unfortunate events following a defeat.

 

So, as i was minding my own business, a mage comes to challenge me to a duel while a courier is talking to me, and proceeds to obliterate me swiftly with double charged lightning bolts before i can get my package...ow. He then leaves me alone, and i get raped by the courier who decided getting some was more important than being a postman (i feel that). He also takes all my stuff before sending me to simple slavery. Fantastic, until there that's the worst case scenario for my PC.

Now, after i get out of the shenanigans i got in (namely DCL prison for 4 days this time around), i rush back to where i got beaten up to try and get my revenge, except... the courier has despawned, meaning i'm unable to exact revenge and get my stuff back. Not that i could anyway, since couriers are flagged as essential.

 

Is there any counter-plan for that situation? Getting the NPC who beat you despawn (losing all your stuff forever) is just so frustrating >.<

[Nymra]

10 minutes ago, Clockwinding said:

Hello,

just wanted to recount some series of unfortunate events following a defeat.

 

So, as i was minding my own business, a mage comes to challenge me to a duel while a courier is talking to me, and proceeds to obliterate me swiftly with double charged lightning bolts before i can get my package...ow. He then leaves me alone, and i get raped by the courier who decided getting some was more important than being a postman (i feel that). He also takes all my stuff before sending me to simple slavery. Fantastic, until there that's the worst case scenario for my PC.

Now, after i get out of the shenanigans i got in (namely DCL prison for 4 days this time around), i rush back to where i got beaten up to try and get my revenge, except... the courier has despawned, meaning i'm unable to exact revenge and get my stuff back. Not that i could anyway, since couriers are flagged as essential.

 

Is there any counter-plan for that situation? Getting the NPC who beat you despawn (losing all your stuff forever) is just so frustrating >.<

 

sadly, no. 

these kind of events are just what you build yourself, in all honesty (with beeing unlucky that is)  just the tricky courier getting the best of you I guess... 

Dunno exactly how the courier works tho. I think he idles when not busy... somewhere... 

 

I will try to make Robbery more customizeable tho, allowing for just gold robbing. 

In general: I do not let ANY mod mess with my inventory. Its just not working half of the time like it should and I need my inventory.

I just roleplay around that stuff and do not allow to use my inventory in certain situations. 

(I play Naked Defeat with Robbery at 0%) 

 

For your particular case: either reload an earlier save or live with the fact that the courier used some exploits to own you bad. Toxic cheesy bastard that courer  

 

In general I advise to set Simple Slavery chance rather low. Say 5% (the classical D20 fail roll). 

When you are raped again while in furniture the 5% chance triggers again, so you can have several rolls in the same defeat scenario.

(nothing to do with this particular case tho, just reducing the odds of odd stuff happening. Simple Slavery is a nice mod, but 90% of the mods it connects to are not (outdated, broken, lengthy) 

[Nazzzgul666]

39 minutes ago, Nymra said:

I will try to make Robbery more customizeable tho, allowing for just gold robbing. 

In general: I do not let ANY mod mess with my inventory. Its just not working half of the time like it should and I need my inventory.

 

If you still like and plan a feature for the dropped clothes where you have to crawl for them... that might be added as it already includes a hidden chest. Something like a toggle to get your things back after <timer>? I generally do the same as you, what might make me reconsider it would be an option to go to a shady NPC who wants some favors... might be just fucking but possibly even a small quest chain? It would definitly be fun to play but not sure if worth the effort.^^

[Anunya]

Yeah putting stolen objects in a container might be a good way around losing all your stuff permanently. Personally, I prefer losing gold and gear (even if I can't get it back), as long as quest items are safe.

[Clockwinding]

2 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

sadly, no. 

these kind of events are just what you build yourself, in all honesty (with beeing unlucky that is)  just the tricky courier getting the best of you I guess... 

Dunno exactly how the courier works tho. I think he idles when not busy... somewhere... 

 

I will try to make Robbery more customizeable tho, allowing for just gold robbing. 

In general: I do not let ANY mod mess with my inventory. Its just not working half of the time like it should and I need my inventory.

I just roleplay around that stuff and do not allow to use my inventory in certain situations. 

(I play Naked Defeat with Robbery at 0%) 

 

For your particular case: either reload an earlier save or live with the fact that the courier used some exploits to own you bad. Toxic cheesy bastard that courer  

 

In general I advise to set Simple Slavery chance rather low. Say 5% (the classical D20 fail roll). 

When you are raped again while in furniture the 5% chance triggers again, so you can have several rolls in the same defeat scenario.

(nothing to do with this particular case tho, just reducing the odds of odd stuff happening. Simple Slavery is a nice mod, but 90% of the mods it connects to are not (outdated, broken, lengthy) 

Well, damn i guess. As said above, a container for lost stuff would be appreciated, but other than that i'll deal with it and take the setback (and since i'm using higher level enemies- scaled version, oh boy it's quite the setback!).

 

I also didn't know the item steal check was done multiple times, looks like i'm going to lower my current 50% by a lot, haha.

[Miller826]

23 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

thx alot

and yes, this was surprising to me, since the bug occured because of some special malfunction of script based soft dependencies that was unknown to me.
 

 

 

not sure if I understand what you want here
you can for example change the animation that is currently played via Sexlab Hotkeys directly. 

if you want to have more direct control you can use Sexlab Tool, but then you get a dropdown menu.

 

yes.

follower rape will be implemented. I m working on it at the moment.

 

no. never.

1. its not of any interest to me to have such a thing.

2. SL defeat covers that already and when you turn PC defeat OFF in SL Defeat both my mod and defeat should work nicely next to each other and cover both scenarios. 

 

Thnx for replying so quickly and thoughtfully. greatly appreciated. Keep up the amazing work!

[NicoleDragoness]

6 hours ago, Nymra said:

There is some mod that makes NPC have sex with each other (I think its consensual, tho)

At least two:

1. SL Approach (the "old" version, not the redux one) last version "re-ported" from SE. It has also some setting in which you can have almost always aggressive animations.

 

2. Random Sex:  another one that has a lot of settings. (NPC only, aggressive only, not based on arousal and so on).

 

In my LE 32bit system the two above work fine. I can't say for other systems.

[Nymra]

3 hours ago, Nazzzgul666 said:

If you still like and plan a feature for the dropped clothes where you have to crawl for them... that might be added as it already includes a hidden chest. Something like a toggle to get your things back after <timer>? I generally do the same as you, what might make me reconsider it would be an option to go to a shady NPC who wants some favors... might be just fucking but possibly even a small quest chain? It would definitly be fun to play but not sure if worth the effort.^^

 

2 hours ago, Anunya said:

Yeah putting stolen objects in a container might be a good way around losing all your stuff permanently. Personally, I prefer losing gold and gear (even if I can't get it back), as long as quest items are safe.

 

I will be honest: that is the kind of script sorcery that usually takes me days to install and make it work, while at the same time I will never use it myself most likely. 

A customization option for "no item loss - only gold -> set amount" will be the best you can hope for right now I m afraid.

 

I also think the robbery from Naked Defeat should not touch quest items at the moment, hmm.

 

Other than that:

 

I in fact try to wrap my thoughts around a mod that makes my roleplay a real gameplay mechanic.

I want a mod that SAVEs infinite copies of my current outfit and weapon (can store multiple outfits too) 

The mod will then automatically reequip the whole outfit when I equip a similar armor type on the PC body slot (this armor gets destroyed then). 

(say you have a light armor outfit "A" stored, as soon as you equip any kind of light armor piece on bodyslot you will reequip that Outfit "A" 

 

I dont know if I will make this as its own mod or as part of naked defeat. I feel like I lack some knowlegde yet to make this work. 

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, Clockwinding said:

Well, damn i guess. As said above, a container for lost stuff would be appreciated, but other than that i'll deal with it and take the setback (and since i'm using higher level enemies- scaled version, oh boy it's quite the setback!).

 

yeah, sorry
believe me, I know exactly how that feels, especially after like 4 days in dagonar and all that. 

But well, that is what I mean with "you do this to yourself". loverslab mods can be very sadistic and evil, both on purpose and in random situations like this. 

Its really hard to tell what people want really, some are extreme (full loot) others like to roleplay (me included), some others something like a full service BDSM brothel with dominas serving drinks

 

1 hour ago, Clockwinding said:

I also didn't know the item steal check was done multiple times, looks like i'm going to lower my current 50% by a lot, haha.

Its done again when you are raped again, that is the only time it is repeated. Might be that I can disable this, tho, it makes not too much sense.

Robbery in general is a weird thing. Basically it should happen 100% all the time immersionwise. The slider is only there to fullfill the needs of all people I mentioned above.

I for myself will in the future play with a random gold amount stolen from my PC, since that is ok for me as punishment gameplay and immersionwise. Plus I can take the gold back from the thief.... (or not. like in your case. Might happen and then I will have to accept that too). 

 

But please go on, I always like to hear the stories that happen because it brings up new ideas for features and options (where possible) and see how ppl play the game actually.

[kaizersoze27]

7 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

Its been years since I used them, I dont need any NPC on NPC action anymore.

There is some mod that makes NPC have sex with each other (I think its consensual, tho) and then ofc there is sexlab aroused creatures. 

Scent of Sex I think can do this also. 

 

But as suggested several times you can use SL Defeat alongside Naked Defeat. Just disable its "NPC rapes PC" feature. "NPC rapes NPC" and "PC rapes NPC" should still work. 

Thank you I shall add this mod as well to the game. "player as victim" should be disabled in defeat, got it

[Nymra]

13 minutes ago, kaizersoze27 said:

Thank you I shall add this mod as well to the game. "player as victim" should be disabled in defeat, got it

 

should basically do it. please report any possible issues that come up. While Naked Defeat is designed to replace the Defeat "Player as Victim" part I had a possible compatibility between both mods in mind from the start. 

 

[Anunya]

5 hours ago, Nymra said:

I will be honest: that is the kind of script sorcery that usually takes me days to install and make it work, while at the same time I will never use it myself most likely. 

A customization option for "no item loss - only gold -> set amount" will be the best you can hope for right now I m afraid.

 

I also think the robbery from Naked Defeat should not touch quest items at the moment, hmm.

 

 

Totally cool. I'm happy with what we've got, I just like throwing ideas out there in case something catches your eye as worthwhile to do given the level of effort required

[Nymra]

33 minutes ago, Anunya said:

 

Totally cool. I'm happy with what we've got, I just like throwing ideas out there in case something catches your eye as worthwhile to do given the level of effort required

 

yeah, that is fine I do this alot too with other mods. with the same hope basically, hehe. 

[xyzfs]

Feature proposal: could the punishments from furniture set a (cumulative maybe) debuff to the player? Maybe to max hp, sp, mp?

Right now the punishments doesn't seem to have some kind of real effect... Or maybe I'm missing it because of skyhud hiding me the bars?

[Bondage Queen Slaveia]

When I get pole furniture (where you are bound to a pole), my camera gets stuck inside the pole. I'm unable to see anything and can't move the camera at all. I have Joy of Perspective installed, anyone else have problem like this?

Also, I second the follower implementation - having a female follower also get fucked and furniture bound (or DDe equipped) would be immersive and awesome. I have no idea what happens currently if you lose with a follower. Could make it so that both of you get placed in the same furniture pose (otherwise it might seem kind of odd).

And I agree that NPC vs. NPC implementation is kind of unnecessary. It's the kind of thing that sounds good on paper, but in all my time using defeat (which has NPC vs NPC) it basically never came up. Only one time did it ever happen in a noticeable way that felt worth it (imperial vs stormcloak battle, imperials won and mass rape ensued, lol). It's probably better to have it than not, but also not really worth the amount of trouble it would be to implement. 

[NicoleDragoness]

6 hours ago, 2generic said:

I have no idea what happens currently if you lose with a follower

 

She stays in bleedout state until you're able to escape.

[Nymra]

9 hours ago, xyzfs said:

Feature proposal: could the punishments from furniture set a (cumulative maybe) debuff to the player? Maybe to max hp, sp, mp?

Right now the punishments doesn't seem to have some kind of real effect... Or maybe I'm missing it because of skyhud hiding me the bars?

 

no, nothing happens there at the moment.

I m not a fan of debuffs added by individual mods as they please. I am looking for a way to maybe add Apropos Abuse value during punishment, but that would be all.

Another option would be a realtime based debuff system like SM essential player uses it, but that will take time to implement. 

[Nymra]

9 hours ago, 2generic said:

When I get pole furniture (where you are bound to a pole), my camera gets stuck inside the pole. I'm unable to see anything and can't move the camera at all. I have Joy of Perspective installed, anyone else have problem like this?

 

this is a ZAP problem, not Naked Defeat.

Do you have my ZAP No Collision Furniture mod installed? 

 

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Also, I second the follower implementation - having a female follower also get fucked and furniture bound (or DDe equipped) would be immersive and awesome. I have no idea what happens currently if you lose with a follower. Could make it so that both of you get placed in the same furniture pose (otherwise it might seem kind of odd).

 

Follower support is in the making. I am currently working on follower rape. Furnitures and stuff, dunno if that will ever work because NPC + Furnitures usually sux hard due to missalignment. 

 

EDIT: there are 1-2 tricks to still get FOllowers into bound idles and also furnitures, but that depends on how well I can "fix" them (preventing them to move around at all). 

 

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And I agree that NPC vs. NPC implementation is kind of unnecessary. It's the kind of thing that sounds good on paper, but in all my time using defeat (which has NPC vs NPC) it basically never came up. Only one time did it ever happen in a noticeable way that felt worth it (imperial vs stormcloak battle, imperials won and mass rape ensued, lol). It's probably better to have it than not, but also not really worth the amount of trouble it would be to implement. 

 

yeah, that exactly describes my own experiences with that feature. 

[xyzfs]

Bug report (easy to bypass anyway)

Was playing with this mod and SLS, with devious drowning enabled. Died for drowning, faded to black faded out from black, ND started, no target detected. The PC was free to go, but became immortal.

Obviously can be bypassed by turning devious drowning feature off, but maybe the issue could arise also with natural deaths (falling, traps)?

[Nymra]

5 minutes ago, xyzfs said:

Bug report (easy to bypass anyway)

Was playing with this mod and SLS, with devious drowning enabled. Died for drowning, faded to black faded out from black, ND started, no target detected. The PC was free to go, but became immortal.

Obviously can be bypassed by turning devious drowning feature off, but maybe the issue could arise also with natural deaths (falling, traps)?

 

I try to adress this in the next update, but it will be no 100% solution still. 

The only thing that really bothers me is dieing in water when swimming/drowning, maybe I can shut that down completly.

 

When you die from falling or traps I m ok with Naked Defeat starting. Some nearby friendly souls just "help you up" there
 

In case of traps: of course the alarmed (t)rapists come over to see whats going on:

NOTE: you can crawl away from the deadly trap in the meanwhile to not hurt possible rescuers that pop up at your location ^^

[xyzfs]

Just now, Nymra said:

When you die from falling or traps I m ok with Naked Defeat starting. Some nearby friendly souls just "help you up" there
 

In case of traps: of course the alarmed (t)rapists come over to see whats going on:

NOTE: you can crawl away from the deadly trap in the meanwhile to not hurt possible rescuers that pop up at your location ^^

I'm 100% with it starting!

But so, if the PC dies from falling and no NPC is nearby, what will happen? Will ND spawn some for the occasion?