[mod] Carnalitas - Unified Sex Mod Framework for CK3

[AlipheeseXV]

Okay, first off, great work, love it! 

 

But I've got a question:

So futanari trait gets seeded at game start if enabled.

Does it also mean the chosen chance (for example rare is 0,5% chance) that one of my daughters I make with a normal partner has a 0,5% to be a futanari?

Or can futanari babys only be made with other futanaris included as partners and the trait has to be inherted?

[0wnyx]

just revisited this mod... progress looks good. i still wait a bit longer before i start my new game tho. steam workshop also pumps out mods like crazy... i am most interested in event mods... maybe i hold on till they release a new dlc or when the first animation mods come out. anyway keep up the work... i enjoy following big projects related to ck3.

[rastamanbearpig]

prisoner rape should relieve stress in a similar fashion to the make love mechanic. If arousal can build stress, every *moment of release* should as well.....imo

[ciaron88]

Hi I have Icons for every character interaction, and I am trying to add an icon for the carn_rape_interaction. I have done it EXACTLY the same as all other interactions form the base game, this and other mods I have and all of them work fine and have icons next to them in the list but the carn_rape_interaction will just not show next to Rape Prisoner. Is there anything different about this interaction from others as to why an icon will not show?

 

Thanks

[doomdoging]

is there a way to make your char a futa? and change there sizes? or only via console

[Cheri Song]

On 11/9/2020 at 7:55 PM, AlipheeseXV said:

Does it also mean the chosen chance (for example rare is 0,5% chance) that one of my daughters I make with a normal partner has a 0,5% to be a futanari?

Yes.

 

On 11/10/2020 at 6:16 AM, rastamanbearpig said:

prisoner rape should relieve stress in a similar fashion to the make love mechanic. If arousal can build stress, every *moment of release* should as well.....imo

It only relieves stress for the rapist if they are sadistic or they hate that person in particular.

 

On 11/10/2020 at 7:52 PM, doomdoging said:

is there a way to make your char a futa? and change there sizes? or only via console

Only through console, at least until submods appear to change that.

[Pex10]

I have recently installed the mod and tried it out. Overall, I must say: great work, I am impressed!

However, I do have a few nitpicks - things which can possibly be ironed out fairly easily. There are two areas which I am referring to:

 

 

 

 

1) The "rape prisoner" option.

First off, I would like to remark that I think it is good that you included it. Rape was (and sadly still is) an everyday part of life, and sexual harassment and abuse happened frequently. Nonetheless, I am a bit unhappy with how this was implemented in-game. Here's my experience:

 

I tried out this game mechanic by imprisoning one of the characters and raping them. Subsequently, I checked as to what consequences this has, and was disappointed to see that it does not, at least as far as I could see, incur any penalties or bonuses, other than the stress reduction from sex. The raped character suffered no mental or physical health penalties, and their opinion of their rapist did not change either (!). This reduces a terrible crime such as rape to mere sexual gratification, which in itself is a morally questionable game mechanic and also detracts from the immersion. 

Accordingly, here's my suggestion how this could be significantly improved:

 

- Rape victims have a chance of suffering significant stress as well as mental and physical health penalties (for instance, by gaining the perk "raped" or "traumatised", which could detract from certain attributes, or by gaining the existing perk "melancholic"). What level of penalties they suffer could be linked to their main traits; physical penalties could be linked to whether the rapist is "wrathful" or "sadistic".

 

- Rape victims should have a chance of suffering a permanent penalty to their attraction opinion / and or fertility (representing their being traumatised and no longer being able to enjoy sex).

 

- The rape victim's opinion of their rapist should suffer a massive, and perhaps even permanent, penalty (!) 

- The rape should be a "secret" which can be discovered and, if rape is not condoned by the religious norms, be considered a crime (if it comes to light, the rapist could gain a trait "rapist", which severely detracts from his/her opinion amongst their vassals and other characters (especially the rape victims' family and friends - perhaps unless the other characters are also rapists?).

 

 

 

 

 

2) The "sex scenes"/"lay with lover"

 

Again, I have an issue with realism/immersion. In my playthrough using the mod, I had my main character lay with his wife. Though her opinion of him was -26, the sex scene described the sex as great, between a loving couple.

 

This is not a very believable / realistic scenario and significantly detracts from the immersion. Therefore, here's my suggestions:

 

- The option "lay with lover / wife / etc." does not automatically work; one may be rebuffed if the other character's opinion is too low. 

 

- Sex scenes should not ALWAYS, by default, describe amazing sex. Depending on the opinion factor (and perhaps on certain combinations of traits?), sex should also sometimes be awkward, messy, or simply not that satisfying - as it can be in real life. 

 

 

 

Implementing these changes would significantly increase immersion! I would therefore be very grateful if these mechanics were included.

 

That said, thanks for the otherwise very well-made mod. Keep up the good work!

 

 

 

 

[Pex10]

EDIT: Ok, it appears I missed several things. Rape victims do gain the melancholic trait as well as stress, and their opinion of their rapist IS reduced.

 

Dunno why I missed that. Sorry. 

 

Nonetheless, I do stand with my other suggestions (for instance, rape being a secret and its condemnation being linked to the religious norms).

[Cheri Song]

Great feedback points!

 

First, some context. Rape was initially not planned as part of the mod. One of our contributors Ernie Collins suggested its inclusion and wrote a basic implementation. I made some changes before adding it to the Carnalitas build. (For example, it was originally "Defile Prisoner" but I changed it to "Rape" to not mince words; it originally didn't give the Melancholic trait, I added that as I thought the consequences for rape should be more severe). So I am already aware of some of your points and (as you found out) they have already been implemented in the mod.

 

20 hours ago, Pex10 said:

The rape should be a "secret" which can be discovered and, if rape is not condoned by the religious norms, be considered a crime (if it comes to light, the rapist could gain a trait "rapist", which severely detracts from his/her opinion amongst their vassals and other characters (especially the rape victims' family and friends - perhaps unless the other characters are also rapists?).

This is a great idea and it's on the to-do list now.

 

There are some kinks that I'll need to work out for the secret, like the fact that it was common for armies of the time to rape and pillage after sieges; in many places, men raping their wives was also seen as the fault of the wife, not the husband (since the whole purpose of a wife was to produce children). I'll need to do more research to figure out how to model the differences in rape standards and translate them into a religious doctrine.

 

20 hours ago, Pex10 said:

- Sex scenes should not ALWAYS, by default, describe amazing sex. Depending on the opinion factor (and perhaps on certain combinations of traits?), sex should also sometimes be awkward, messy, or simply not that satisfying - as it can be in real life.

I am wary about including it in Carnalitas baseline. This is because there are many users (like me) who use Carnalitas as wish-fulfillment porn and prefer all the sex to be satisfying. It's a great idea for a submod though -- perhaps you could write a mod that adda more varied sex events that are sometimes just awkward or unfulfilling and thus more realistic.

[Pex10]

Thanks for the swift and frank answer, I very much appreciate it!

 

I would absolutely approve your suggestions for the rape mechanics - especially regarding rape after sieges and within marriage, which was very common. If you can include that, it would massively add to the immersion.

 

A question: do AI characters also rape? If not, is there a way of adding that mechanic? When combined with rape as a "secret" and something not condoned by the religious norms, this would add to the gameplay significantly (for instance by gaining hooks on other characters for being rapists, or increasing the opinion of rape victims if you kill or incarcerate their rapists, such like).

 

I do get your point about wish fulfilment though. As rape is a sensitive subject and can be a massive turn-off, perhaps the whole "rape" sphere should be optional (which it already is - though, if the AI also does it, then that needs to be optional as well). I also get that having "awkward" sex scenes is not what many users are seeking. For me, the mod is much more than just wish-fulfilment, it adds to the realism and immersion ? The idea of a sub-mod is a good one, though I have zero experience in this regard, so I will leave it to someone else to do that, if someone can be found and is willing.

 

In any case, thanks for the great and well-thought-out mod, and for your swift answer! 

[AlipheeseXV]

@Cheri Song

Thx for the answer 

Only forgot to ask: Will the futanari trait show up as soon as my daughter is born or only at age 16?

[Ginzeen5]

The slavery function needs more content. I should be able to have sex with my slaves whenever I want but their is no option for it. Also Rape having a cool down  for a year is very odd.  Their should be no cool down for it.  Great mod though.

[redrustred]

How does the immune to std flag work?

 

I had a look in the files and I can't seem to find alot of reference to it.

[nomandsland]

@Cheri Song

 

Hi Cheri--I've been following your mod since you started and I love the work so far. I've been wanting to get into modding for a while, and also would love to learn what it is like to work with a team (so I can later on work on larger projects than a solo modder can on their own). 

Is there a series of resources you could recommend that I could work my way through such that I'd be able to begin helping you with this mod? I figure a good way for me to learn modding might be to do the sorts of tasks that anyone with minimal knowledge can do but is ultimately a waste of a skilled modder's time (if that makes sense?). I.e., let the skilled masons work on the arch while I as a entry level schlub lay bricks in the floor. I figure I might be able to take some of the tedious work off your and others' hands to let you all focus on the more complex tasks that would be beyond the skill level of a new modder. 

 

I'm also aware that the workflow may just not work in any kind of way where the above is tenable or makes sense, and I understand that having a novice chef in the kitchen may ultimately be more trouble than it's worth--so no worries if you just can be arsed to mess with this. 

 

 

[Cheri Song]

On 11/15/2020 at 3:52 PM, AlipheeseXV said:

@Cheri Song

Thx for the answer 

Only forgot to ask: Will the futanari trait show up as soon as my daughter is born or only at age 16?

On birth.

 

On 11/18/2020 at 11:05 AM, Ginzeen5 said:

The slavery function needs more content. I should be able to have sex with my slaves whenever I want but their is no option for it. Also Rape having a cool down  for a year is very odd.  Their should be no cool down for it.  Great mod though.

You should be able to Make Love to slaves. If you can't, that's a bug.

 

There's a cooldown for Make Love/Rape because I don't want to force players to constantly click the same interaction to get gameplay benefits. It's the same logic behind only being able to host a hunt or feast every three years. The gameplay is more interesting if you have fewer but more impactful actions, as opposed to having to spam the same action over and over to get a chance at an impactful outcome.

 

On 11/20/2020 at 6:39 AM, redrustred said:

How does the immune to std flag work?

There's a scripted trigger that checks if you can contract a disease. Carnalitas adds an extra condition that blocks transmission for Lover's Pox and Great Pox if you have that flag.

 

On 11/20/2020 at 10:54 AM, nomandsland said:

Is there a series of resources you could recommend that I could work my way through such that I'd be able to begin helping you with this mod?

I suggest starting off by building your own submod that adds a single event, a single decision, or a single character interaction. The CK3 wiki is a great reference for a new modder just starting out.

[nomandsland]

On 11/21/2020 at 1:34 AM, Cheri Song said:

I suggest starting off by building your own submod that adds a single event, a single decision, or a single character interaction. The CK3 wiki is a great reference for a new modder just starting out.

Awesome. That is exactly what I'll do. Thanks much. 

[00ntz]

with the new patch some of the buttons in the new character creator. Like the button for education trait and the coat of arms etc disappear. Its also not possible to pick sexual orientation. With ONLY carnelitas enabled i see this:

 

 

I did create an issue at gitlab aswell. with screenshots included

 

[axenstarr]

58 minutes ago, 00ntz said:

with the new patch some of the buttons in the new character creator. Like the button for education trait and the coat of arms etc disappear. Its also not possible to pick sexual orientation. With ONLY carnelitas enabled i see this:

 

 

I did create an issue at gitlab aswell. with screenshots included

 

Nice job you beat me to it.

[aerosmei1]

Well,well.well, This kind game update is really annoying. not just UI, pregnancy system got shut down too.

Never thought 3 update like bannerlord2 style update, Make every modder suffering on every update.

[Cheri Song]

New update has landed. This just adds compatibility for CK3 1.2.

49 minutes ago, greeny119 said:

You can make love to slaves, however it is currently under the same interaction that you would use for a spouse or lover. It seems to me that the interaction between a ruler and their slave would be significantly different to that between lovers. In my opinion it would be an improvement to at least separate these interactions, ideally with more fleshed slave interactions (Stockholm syndrome/grooming, breaking the will of resistant slaves, different types of slaves e.g. prostitutes, personal sex slaves, slave warriors, slave tutors etc.). Just some thoughts from a more immersion (rather than fantasy) perspective.

The Make Love interaction does give a noncon/dubcon scene if the slave hates you or isn't attracted to you.

 

Your suggested features are all very interesting, but they aren't planned as part of the Carnalitas framework for now, because they aren't necessary for compatibility between mods. Our goal has always been to implement the most common features as a foundation for other mods to build off. If you would like an extremely in-depth slavery system, feel free to go ahead and make one yourself as a submod.

  

41 minutes ago, aerosmei1 said:

Well,well.well, This kind game update is really annoying. not just UI, pregnancy system got shut down too.

Never thought 3 update like bannerlord2 style update, Make every modder suffering on every update.

Can you elaborate? Which part of the pregnancy system is broken?

[00ntz]

and confirmed that the newest version fixes the ruler designer bug. Thank you

[Darsel]

3 hours ago, Cheri Song said:

3 hours ago, aerosmei1 said:

Well,well.well, This kind game update is really annoying. not just UI, pregnancy system got shut down too.

Never thought 3 update like bannerlord2 style update, Make every modder suffering on every update.

Can you elaborate? Which part of the pregnancy system is broken?

 

I am also curious. From what I read, it looks like they've potentially opened up some more options with:

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– Added set_pregnancy_gender effect to overwrite the gender of an unborn child.

...

– make_pregnant now checks that the character can actually get pregnant and errors if they can’t. Added make_pregnant_no_checks which bypasses these

 

It still doesn't address the same-sex spouse/consort limitations, but this 'might' open the door for same-sex/futa lovers to impregnate with some scripting. Conversely, being able to set child gender could lead to some interesting possibilities.

 

[aerosmei1]

9 hours ago, Cheri Song said:

New update has landed. This just adds compatibility for CK3 1.2.

The Make Love interaction does give a noncon/dubcon scene if the slave hates you or isn't attracted to you.

 

Your suggested features are all very interesting, but they aren't planned as part of the Carnalitas framework for now, because they aren't necessary for compatibility between mods. Our goal has always been to implement the most common features as a foundation for other mods to build off. If you would like an extremely in-depth slavery system, feel free to go ahead and make one yourself as a submod.

  

Can you elaborate? Which part of the pregnancy system is broken?

After today mod's update all fine now

[juste95]

Is there a way to deactivate the maximum age of moonlight prostitutes? I play with Vampirism and Lycanthropy and my Vampire cannot prostitute himself after 45 years.

[ghost123]

In the should be naked overwrite file could you add perhaps 2 or 3 options like a femalepriest naked option and malepriest naked option and perhaps both priest genders naked? Because I use the female nudism tenents mod and I have modfied it myself and as your clothing overwrite overwrites that mods I keep having to edit your overwrite everytime I update your mod

 

Cause this is the code I add everytime in your overwrite file

		AND = {
			is_female = yes
			faith = {
				has_doctrine_parameter = naked_femalepriest_active = yes
			}
		}