CBBE 3BBB Advanced

[Kalessin42]

37 minutes ago, skullgirls_ said:

is ASOS and ABC still supported? there doesnt seem to be any mention in the new installer.

Compatibility patches are provided on the download page associated with this thread:

That's the stuff that can still be downloaded here, since the body itself is now on the Nexus.

[greenmango12]

10 minutes ago, darksynth0 said:

So if I have hundreds of armors for 3BF I still can use them with 3BA or this will require authors to redo the armors??

Sorry for confusion.

 

I mean, say I have BD conversion for 3BF from Nexus.

I can still use it with 3BA, or I should no matter what download 3BA-specific conversions from now on?

I almost confirm you can use all 3BF armor, as same as before.  just you can not see 3BA body , as body reference,  but still you see 3BF reference body.

(if they come with armor), and bascially all 3BF offer physics still work. you only lost the 3BA added physics, only when you wear those armor.

 

eg I still have use my custom CBBE SE body (with belly node), armor . then it sitll work as CBBE SE physics. (CBPC), for me., when wear them on.

then if I use 3BBB converted cloth, it come with 3BBB reference body, and weight for new bones. so it work as 3BBB (advanced or fantasy)

[darksynth0]

Thanks greeenmango12!

 

Also, does anybody know where do I get that FloppySOS for the option from installer?

[Kalessin42]

23 minutes ago, darksynth0 said:

So if I have hundreds of armors for 3BF I still can use them with 3BA or this will require authors to redo the armors??

Sorry for confusion.

 

I mean, say I have BD conversion for 3BF from Nexus.

I can still use it with 3BA, or I should no matter what download 3BA-specific conversions from now on?

If you're using 3BA, it's better if the outfits were converted to 3BA. And if you're using 3BF, it's better if the outfits were converted to 3BF (though it matters less). Either way, how much it matters depends on the outfit.

 

An outfit which includes body slot 32 includes the body itself, and when a character is wearing that outfit, whatever body is part of that outfit _is_ their body. So, if your body is 3BA, and you put on an outfit with body slot 32 which includes the CBBE SE Curvy body, then you have the CBBE SE Curvy body in spite of the fact that your body is 3BA when you're naked. You'd even end up with a UNP body if that's what the outfit was set to (though that risks running into texture issues since the UNP and CBBE textures differ). So, if an outfit was converted to 3BA, when you wear that outfit you have the 3BA body, and if the outfit was converted to 3BF, then when you wear it, you have the 3BF body.

 

If an outfit with body slot 32 completely covers the genitals, then the difference between 3BA and 3BF is pretty much irrelevant. In fact, the meshes for the genitals arguably should have been removed from such an outfit. The only real difference is likely to be the CBPC slider (3BA has the slider; 3BF does not), which affects how far out the crotch goes, and that only comes into effect if your body preset sets the CBPC slider to something other than 0. Either way, the outfit will look and act basically the same. There may be some slight differences due to differences in the bone weights, but I'm not sure that anyone other than Acro748 would know enough to notice the difference.

However, if the outfit has body slot 32 and does _not_ cover the genitals (e.g. it's a breast plate or bikini top with no bottom), then whether the outfit was converted to 3BA or 3BF has a significant effect in that it then defines which genitals you get. If you're not doing sexlab or flowergirls stuff when half naked, it's likely that the difference will only be visual in practice, but it does make a visible difference (and will make a big difference in collisions if you do try to do sexual stuff when half naked). So, while you can certainly live with the outfit having been converted to 3BA when you wanted 3BF (or vice versa), it's probably not what you want.

 

If an outfit does not include body slot 32, then it does not define which body you currently have. So, if that outfit is for a drastically different body type than your current body type (be it your naked body type, because you're not currently wearing an outfit with body slot 32, or be it the body that comes with the outfit that you're currently wearing that does include body slot 32), it's likely to clip and look terrible. However, 3BA and 3BF are identical save for the genitals. So, as long as the outfit in question does not cover the genitals, it makes no difference which of the two bodies the outfit was converted to (aside from some slight difference in bone weights that you won't know enough to notice). But if the outfit _does_ cover the genitals (e.g. it's a bikini bottom or pants), then it matters.

 

If the outfit was converted to 3BA, and your current body is 3BF, then at most, you'll end up with the crotch sticking out further than it would have had the body been converted to 3BF (specifically, if the CBPC slider for your body preset is set to a large number). But otherwise, there will be no difference.

 

However, if the outfit was converted to 3BF, and your current body is 3BA, then you risk the crotch clipping through the outfit if the CBPC slider has a high enough value, since while the body will have that slider, the outfit will not. So, the crotch could be pushed out through the bikini bottom or pants or whatever the outfit is. If the CBPC slider is low and/or the outfit is actually quite loose around the crotch, then that may not be an issue, but it is a risk.

 

So, how much it matters whether an outfit was converted to 3BA or 3BF very much depends on the outfit. Ideally, you'd make sure that you always used 3BF outfits with 3BF bodies and 3BA outfits with 3BA bodies, but whether it's worth redoing an outfit to fix that is up to you. If your outfits aren't generally skimpy (and especially if they usually include the bottom in the same outfit as the top), then it may not be worth your time to redo them. However, if you're looking to distribute bodyslides for other people to use, then you should probably either make sure that they're done for 3BA or indicate that they're for 3BF and not 3BA when distributing them unless it literally doesn't matter for the outfit in question, because the genitals aren't part of the outfits.

 

Personally, my current plan is to just do all bodyslides for 3BA (even when distributing them), since that's the body that I'm using, and I don't see much point in 3BF even existing given that 3BA is now allowed on the Nexus. Anyone who isn't looking to use genital collisions can use 3BA just fine with the only major difference being that the genitals look a bit different. However, I have no clue what modders in general are going to want to do. I kind of wish that Acro748 had just outright removed the other body types from the Nexus mod, but there probably would have been at least some people unhappy about that if he had. Either way, 3BA is now the default, so it's probably what most people will be using.

[Homonculus]

37 minutes ago, Kalessin42 said:

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Wow... my eyes hurt ? you over complicated it a bit too much but yeah you're right at this point only keeping 3BA would make it easier for rookies who aren't good at modding.

[greenmango12]

10 minutes ago, PraedythXVI said:

Wow... my eyes hurt ? you over complicated it a bit too much but yeah you're right at this point only keeping 3BA would make it easier for rookies who aren't good at modding.

 yes  what I thought was, , I should better , add every  detail when I reply someone^^ but yes he is right. if the item not come with ref body,

like under wear which offered as accessory , it may cause issue. Btw, I believe he hoped to know  when there is no 3BA conversion, he hope to use 3BF.

then I think it may work about most of case. So if there is already 3BA items, yes, he may get it. and it is reasonable.

 

[darksynth0]

Thanks for detailed answer though.

It was interesting to read and I did learned something new.

 

Anyway, I am just to lazy to do stuff so if I ever stumble upon glitchy skimpy outfit I will just simply give up and live with that pain and regrets for the rest of my life.

 

Cheers!

[Tex]

Is there an devious devices bodyslide aviable for this body anywhere on the forums? Been looking for an while but havent found anything.

[BT99]

How do i access the mcm, it doesn't show up in my game i had the same problem in the previous versions.

[manpan22]

Hi Acro748, is this a bug or have I failed at something? collisions with full smp setting only work well after leaving racemenu.

I don't use RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp only 3BBB-RaceMenuMorphs.esp , can that be the cause?

 

 

[Acro748]

4 hours ago, BT99 said:

How do i access the mcm, it doesn't show up in my game i had the same problem in the previous versions.

 

MCM will not be active if Only CBPC is selected

Or If not, it may take some time to be displayed.

 

 

11 minutes ago, manpan22 said:

Hi Acro748, is this a bug or have I failed at something? collisions with full smp setting only work well after leaving racemenu.

I don't use RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp only 3BBB-RaceMenuMorphs.esp , can that be the cause?

 

 

 

 

It is not a 3BBB bug, and it is because the SMP does not detect the body transformed into bodymorph in real time.

 

 

 

So Aers's modified it to be reload after Racemenu or loading.

 

And it seems to be removed reload from the loading screen in after versions, but not certain.

 

 

 

[BT99]

22 minutes ago, Acro748 said:

 

MCM will not be active if Only CBPC is selected

 

Ah thx that explains everything

[manpan22]

59 minutes ago, Acro748 said:

 

MCM no estará activo si solo se selecciona CBPC

O si no, puede tardar un tiempo en mostrarse.

 

 

 

No es un error de 3BBB, y se debe a que el SMP no detecta el cuerpo transformado en bodymorph en tiempo real.

 

 

 

Entonces, Aers lo modificó para que se vuelva a cargar después de Racemenu o cargar.

 

Y parece que se eliminó la recarga de la pantalla de carga en versiones posteriores, pero no es seguro.

 

 

 

thanks for being so fast ?️

[IAmLeng]

Does anyone have any kind of idea what's going on here, I've tried re-installing everything. the body and physics were working perfectly well before, I had Lazy CBP installed however I removed it and replaced it with SINful CBP this happened - upon re-installing Lazy CBP nothing has changed and I'm stuck with the below.

 

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Homonculus]

8 minutes ago, IAmLeng said:

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Sinful cbp allows you to tweak your cbp/c settings it does not come with cbpc.

[IAmLeng]

2 minutes ago, PraedythXVI said:

Sinful cbp allows you to tweak your cbp/c settings it does not come with cbpc.

I am aware, I have CBPC installed, hence why I tried installing Sinful.

 

My apologies for not mentioning this above.

[Homonculus]

2 minutes ago, IAmLeng said:

I am aware, I have CBPC installed, hence why I tried installing Sinful.

 

My apologies for not mentioning this above.

Did you try what the FAQ suggests ? i've had that issue before, it's most likely something to do with your skeleton.

Did you build your body in bodyslide using the 3ba mesh before testing ?

[IAmLeng]

15 minutes ago, PraedythXVI said:

Did you try what the FAQ suggests ? i've had that issue before, it's most likely something to do with your skeleton.

Did you build your body in bodyslide using the 3ba mesh before testing ?

I'm afraid I have indeed built my body several times before each attempt at getting it to work again.

 

I've also attempted to fix the issue by re-installing my skeleton, which has also failed.

 

**Edit - I have found the issue, thank you for your assistance (RR&F was overwriting my skeleton)

[Homonculus]

5 minutes ago, IAmLeng said:

I'm afraid I have indeed built my body several times before each attempt at getting it to work again.

 

I've also attempted to fix the issue by re-installing my skeleton, which has also failed.

Hmm... it might have something to do with the new version then ..?

I haven't updated my 3bbb yet so i don't know.

[IAmLeng]

2 hours ago, PraedythXVI said:

Hmm... it might have something to do with the new version then ..?

I haven't updated my 3bbb yet so i don't know.

2 hours ago, IAmLeng said:

I'm afraid I have indeed built my body several times before each attempt at getting it to work again.

 

I've also attempted to fix the issue by re-installing my skeleton, which has also failed.

 

**Edit - I have found the issue, thank you for your assistance (RR&F was overwriting my skeleton)

Thank you for your help, I figured out this issue ^

 

[zer02]

after upd - belly not shaking

[Kalessin42]

2 hours ago, zer02 said:

after upd - belly not shaking

If you didn't select that you wanted the CBPC presets installed (and IIRC, by default, that option is not selected), and you didn't provide your own, then I'm not sure that the belly will end up moving, since that's what defines how it moves. I'm not sure what happens with the breasts, butt, or thighs in that case if you're using CBPC instead of SMP, but if you're using SMP, they'll move with SMP, whereas the belly is only CBPC. So, without a CBPC preset, you'll just get whatever CBPC does by default (which is probably nothing). IIRC, previous versions of CBBE 3BBB always included a CBPC preset. My guess is that it's not included now by default in order to make it easier for you to customize (though you can choose to install it by checking the right box in the installer).

 

Of course, if you _do_ have a CPBC preset installed, then that wouldn't be the problem, but it seems to me like it's probably the issue.

[zer02]

2 hours ago, Kalessin42 said:

If you didn't select that you wanted the CBPC presets installed (and IIRC, by default, that option is not selected), and you didn't provide your own, then I'm not sure that the belly will end up moving, since that's what defines how it moves. I'm not sure what happens with the breasts, butt, or thighs in that case if you're using CBPC instead of SMP, but if you're using SMP, they'll move with SMP, whereas the belly is only CBPC. So, without a CBPC preset, you'll just get whatever CBPC does by default (which is probably nothing). IIRC, previous versions of CBBE 3BBB always included a CBPC preset. My guess is that it's not included now by default in order to make it easier for you to customize (though you can choose to install it by checking the right box in the installer).

 

Of course, if you _do_ have a CPBC preset installed, then that wouldn't be the problem, but it seems to me like it's probably the issue.

I have already used all these options.
Before the update, even the CBPC mode worked with legs, belly, pussy, and Breasts, as well as in SMP mode.

Now I have achieved that without overwriting the mod files "CBP CBP Physics with Collision" only in SMP mode everything shakes, and in CBPC mode everything shakes except Boobs  (belly still shakes in 2-3 steps, i.e. the movement is jerky)

PS  Acro should have saved the previous versions,but it has deleted everything,and the download link now leads to the NExus page ...a very reckless act =\
(nexus backups are too old.)


I am grateful for this mod and for the work that is invested in this mod,but I already have a headache from thinking how you can make all the physics work again in both CBPC and SMP mode ..
Bad update..

[Acro748]

1 hour ago, zer02 said:

I have already used all these options.
Before the update, even the CBPC mode worked with legs, belly, pussy, and Breasts, as well as in SMP mode.

Now I have achieved that without overwriting the mod files "CBP CBP Physics with Collision" only in SMP mode everything shakes, and in CBPC mode everything shakes except Boobs  (belly still shakes in 2-3 steps, i.e. the movement is jerky)

PS  Acro should have saved the previous versions,but it has deleted everything,and the download link now leads to the NExus page ...a very reckless act =\
(nexus backups are too old.)


I am grateful for this mod and for the work that is invested in this mod,but I already have a headache from thinking how you can make all the physics work again in both CBPC and SMP mode ..
Bad update..

 

 

In the boobs physics issue, see the Q11 in FAQ.

Also for editing belly physics, see the Tips section or select CBPC Preset (not 3BB) then installing.

 

 

And previous versions are provided on the lower part of Download tab of this page.

[zer02]

2 hours ago, Acro748 said:

 

 

In the boobs physics issue, see the Q11 in FAQ.

Also for editing belly physics, see the Tips section or select CBPC Preset (not 3BB) then installing.

 

 

And previous versions are provided on the lower part of Download tab of this page.

- the skeleton is not overwritten by anything 
- the CBPC preset gives the Boobs a shake, disables the belly,and the right buttock doesn't work.

old ver.

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