AAF HARDSHIP - beggar- whore -

[Tentacus]

Update

 

Back home. Looking over the To-Do list I made before I left, now strikes me as amusing out of context:

 

Add BoyGirl to Cunnilingus cums.
Add Strapon/PiV sex to Suck for smokes
Add Talk Dirty menu
Do Vaginal

 

Ah yes... Do Vaginal is always good advice! 

 

FYI: "Suck for smokes" is the name of the script that controls (well... sucking for smokes but also...) all of the companion sex. It's by far been the most difficult script to wrangle into the new system as it has every type of sex and pairing type minus rape. BoyGirl refers to changing all the female only player references in the cunnilingus cums to include males now.  

 

Also pretty sure I haven't done the standalone anal script yet either. So I guess I better Do anal too. ?

[DremoraDream]

I have a unique issue. This time it's more realistic.  

I'm using a mod that adds a ring that makes Raiders and Gunners friendly (1 for raiders, 1 for gunners) https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/17312/

 

The biggest issue is when I'm rolling with some raiders for whatever reason, I get killed even if I unholster my weapon to defend them with this ring equipped

 

Despite wearing this ring, i still get shot as soon as I take out my weapon. Any way to add compatibility?

 

[Tentacus]

51 minutes ago, DremoraDream said:

I have a unique issue. This time it's more realistic.  

I'm using a mod that adds a ring that makes Raiders and Gunners friendly (1 for raiders, 1 for gunners) https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/17312/

 

The biggest issue is when I'm rolling with some raiders for whatever reason, I get killed even if I unholster my weapon to defend them with this ring equipped

 

Despite wearing this ring, i still get shot as soon as I take out my weapon. Any way to add compatibility?

 

Just deactivate beggar whore mode while wearing the ring before you draw the weapon (or find yourself in a situation where combat is likely). I am not sure why that exact behavior is happening, but if BW mode is off Hardship won't affect raiders at all... and anyway You wouldn't want it on cause you'd still have the menacing raiders bugging you.

[SenseiBlack]

Hi, I'm having some issues. I don't get the menacing raider messages or anything. The raiders just shoot on sight. Any ideas what could be wrong?

I tried unequipping all weapons and also removing them from the inventory but it still happen.

[FalloutFallen]

Hi Everyone - 

 

Just wanted to report in/back to the very kind folks that tried to help me with suggestions here - I T   W O R K S ! ! ! 

 

@Tentacus I'm far too much of a noob to be able to provide you with accurate steps to replicate / fix the problem I had but here it is in my idiot logic, on some level you'll be able to work out what I'm talking about because I think whatever I did, it did cause a bug within your mod.  Also if another noob like me comes along they might make the same mistakes, hopefully this helps. 

 

Basically, to replicate the issue.. be a total noob, buy fallout 4 one day before you try to install this mod, have no experience with mods at all, and get the install orders of a lot of anims and things confused. This was my first problem. I still don't really understand how all that works, but to anyone having the same issues as me, further up the thread someone posted a link to basically how to get AAF working, its a big long list of basically install this, then this, then this, then either this or that, then this.. Go through that list, install everything but cruically where there are boxes to tick, for the most part where it doesn't automatically tick them, don't tick them. I 'added support' for stuff I didn't have because I thought hey I might install that later, why not add the support now - and it ended up causing problems.

 

Another tip to a noob would be to figure out earlier that pressing home and then delete a couple times then enter in-game brings up an admin window for AAF that lets you see what errors are occuring. This was vital and at least gave me a rough idea what the problem was, even if it wasn't always the problem or I had no idea how to solve it. 

 

Once I got all the anims and stuff sorted, ( @Tentacus this is maybe where this post gets relevent to you) I was still having issues though. Because of my previous messing about, even tho the mod was now running and I was having no errors from AAF, the mod wasnt running right, I wasn't getting dialog options after sex, I wasnt taking damage, and my 'beaten up' amount was not going down no matter how much time passed. I tried dropping the menu thing from my pipboy to see if that would reset the scripts when the mod auto gave me a new one, but no dice, didn't work. To clear the 'jam' I did 2 things - 1) started a new game so that the mod would reinitialise 2) went back into my main character game, saved, exited, went into vortex, turned off the hardship mod, restarted my game, ran around for a minute, saved, exited, re-enabled hardship in vortex, restarted game and voila! everything works as hoped for. The side effect to this however was losing all my 'progress' / history with the mod - isabella no longer knew me and i'd never turned a trick before, aparantly. Not actually a bad thing though as I had almost fucked diamond city to death in testing/trying to get this thing to work, so giving everyone the men in black flashy thing memory wipe kinda suits my needs. Be aware though for people that don't want to lose their progress. 

 

So there you go. I'm not quite sure what I did, how I did it, why it broke or why it worked. It took me maybe 15 hours over 3 days but I think.. I think.. it's all working right now.

 

Please Jeeba don't let me be back here in an hour saying yo I broke it again. Don't be that guy, future me.. 

 

Lastly and again thank you @Tentacus for creating this mod. It's f**king brilliant. I cannot wait to see how it develops and what stuff gets put in. I can imagine this as almost a DLC with storylines and 'missions' and all kinds of stuff. Seems like the kind of thing people would support on patreon but that's just my 2c. 

[FalloutFallen]

Just wanted to add also, special shoutout to @vaultbait - would not have gotten this working without his help 

[Tentacus]

3 hours ago, SenseiBlack said:

Hi, I'm having some issues. I don't get the menacing raider messages or anything. The raiders just shoot on sight. Any ideas what could be wrong?

I tried unequipping all weapons and also removing them from the inventory but it still happen.

You have to be in Beggar Whore mode. It's the first option in the main menu object. When in BW mode if you draw your weapon you should get a notification saying that "you look threatening" and "You look non threatening" when you holster. If you are getting those and still being attacked It's possible that the raider is trapped behind something so the timer runs out and you lose the protection. There is currently no "warning" for the first menacer. You have to notice them coming (they are supposed to run right up to you... (The timer to attack only starts within 600 units). The next version will have a warning notification and a slightly longer timer though.

[Tentacus]

1 hour ago, FalloutFallen said:

turned off the hardship mod, restarted my game, ran around for a minute, saved, exited, re-enabled hardship in vortex, restarted game and voila! everything works as hoped for. The side effect to this however was losing all my 'progress' / history with the mod - isabella no longer knew me and i'd never turned a trick before, aparantly. Not actually a bad thing though as I had almost fucked diamond city to death in testing/trying to get this thing to work, so giving everyone the men in black flashy thing memory wipe kinda suits my needs. Be aware though for people that don't want to lose their progress. 

Interesting and pretty weird. I don't think any of the scripts should normally ever need updated. This mod uses a lot of globals and keywords to make things interact and it's possible that one got screwed up (probably a global) because of your aaf problems and gave you the grief. Setting yourself to virgin then established whore might have had similar results. 

 

Anyway glad it all fixed.

 

In general it's best to get your framework mods (Like AAF) setup and working before you start a serious save. Something to remember for the future.

 

1 hour ago, FalloutFallen said:

Lastly and again thank you @Tentacus for creating this mod. It's f**king brilliant. I cannot wait to see how it develops and what stuff gets put in. I can imagine this as almost a DLC with storylines and 'missions' and all kinds of stuff. Seems like the kind of thing people would support on patreon but that's just my 2c. 

Well now I don't want to be "That guy" either but yeah. After I get 1.5 out I do have some pretty big plans for Hardship and future mods. Because of the time and effort that is gonna take I am thinking about setting up a Patreon.  The only thing is I'm not sure the best way to go about it. I want people to have the option to support the mods and help me get them out easier, but I don't want to waste any of that mod making energy with rewards and such  and I defintekly don't want to beg :p. So that's still one of the things I need to look into over the X-mas break.

[FalloutFallen]

One quick Q @Tentacus  - when dealing with raiders, I get the dialog and all, but do I have to do the 'I'll do whatever you want' dialog for them to intiate the rape? Or can I just keep them talking until they run out of patience and do it?

 

Also the PC keeps referring to themselves as "Us" even tho I told my companion to wait in a town that is a very long way away now! I'm guessing thats just a flag because I told them to wait rather than dismissing them so the game still doesn't realise i'm basically solo

[FalloutFallen]

Edit - at the moment, with the raiders, I keep them talking and then it says 'beggar whore mode disabled', my gun comes up and its fighty time. I will try the I'll do whatever you want dialog and let you know. 

[Tentacus]

1 hour ago, FalloutFallen said:

One quick Q @Tentacus  - when dealing with raiders, I get the dialog and all, but do I have to do the 'I'll do whatever you want' dialog for them to intiate the rape? Or can I just keep them talking until they run out of patience and do it?

 

Also the PC keeps referring to themselves as "Us" even tho I told my companion to wait in a town that is a very long way away now! I'm guessing thats just a flag because I told them to wait rather than dismissing them so the game still doesn't realise i'm basically solo

It's random you go through the various menacing dialogues. (In the next version they won't repeat so much) Until they either decide to rape you, fight you or let you go. Rape is the most common. Before you are an established whore you have the option to skip the random chance and just submit which will result in rape. (Though the first 2 options on the submit menu will still let you fight instead of being raped) When you are an established prostitute (5+ dates) you will be able to tell the raiders you are a whore and possibly get some minor compensation, though they may still rape you instead. Note if they do say yes to the proposition and you run across that raider again in the future they won't menace you but will go straight to prostitution.

[Tentacus]

Update:

 

I'm making pretty good progress on the to-do list. If testing goes well I might be able to get this out by Thursday.

[JHUNT]

Great mod, thanks!

Just quick question: I don't seem to get any visible dialogue options, I tend to just keep pressing A (using controller) and it tends to work. But I'm not getting any visible text responses from the johns. Any ideas?

[vaultbait]

6 hours ago, Tentacus said:

Because of the time and effort that is gonna take I am thinking about setting up a Patreon.  The only thing is I'm not sure the best way to go about it. I want people to have the option to support the mods and help me get them out easier, but I don't want to waste any of that mod making energy with rewards and such  and I defintekly don't want to beg :p.

Perhaps if you treat it like a tip jar, you can get some of that without the overhead of custom donor rewards? I guess you could include an opt-in to be included in a list of supporters on your mod descriptions or something lightweight like that too.

[vaultbait]

4 minutes ago, JHUNT said:

Just quick question: I don't seem to get any visible dialogue options, I tend to just keep pressing A (using controller) and it tends to work. But I'm not getting any visible text responses from the johns. Any ideas?

That's sort of a vague problem description. Did you enable Beggar/Whore mode with the config item's menu? When you refer to them as Johns, does that mean you've already managed to engage in some negotiation with them for services, or do you just mean you're attempting to engage random NPCs in conversation and they're saying nothing at all in response when B/W mode is engaged?

[JHUNT]

5 minutes ago, vaultbait said:

That's sort of a vague problem description. Did you enable Beggar/Whore mode with the config item's menu? When you refer to them as Johns, does that mean you've already managed to engage in some negotiation with them for services, or do you just mean you're attempting to engage random NPCs in conversation and they're saying nothing at all in response when B/W mode is engaged?

Sorry I'm pretty terrible at describing things. So I get options to sell sex, blowjob for cigs etc, but when the customer agrees to sex he just nods then follows me. I don't see any subtitles telling what they are saying, which I'm pretty sure are supposed to show up.

[vaultbait]

18 minutes ago, JHUNT said:

Sorry I'm pretty terrible at describing things. So I get options to sell sex, blowjob for cigs etc, but when the customer agrees to sex he just nods then follows me. I don't see any subtitles telling what they are saying, which I'm pretty sure are supposed to show up.

Yeah, that's the point at which some pop-up messages should appear for you to read and clear, and then animations would occur, and then more pop-up messages... it seems like you might be running into behavior similar to what @FalloutFallen described earlier. You might try loading with the mod disabled/uninstalled, then save the game, then reenable/reinstall the mod, and then load that save and see if things are any better. Also @Tentacus suggested that using the config item's menu to set your sexual history to virgin and never been raped might have a similar effect with less work.

 

Just to be clear though, is AAF working normally for you otherwise? Like you can hit the home key to pull up the AAF wizard and start a scene with it successfully?

[Tentacus]

23 minutes ago, JHUNT said:

Sorry I'm pretty terrible at describing things. So I get options to sell sex, blowjob for cigs etc, but when the customer agrees to sex he just nods then follows me. I don't see any subtitles telling what they are saying, which I'm pretty sure are supposed to show up.

Make sure you have both kinds of subtitles turned on in the Fallout 4 Gameplay settings. It can be easy to miss that you need both for silent voice mods.

 

35 minutes ago, vaultbait said:

Perhaps if you treat it like a tip jar, you can get some of that without the overhead of custom donor rewards? I guess you could include an opt-in to be included in a list of supporters on your mod descriptions or something lightweight like that too.

Yeah, I was thinking along those lines.

[JHUNT]

8 minutes ago, vaultbait said:

Yeah, that's the point at which some pop-up messages should appear for you to read and clear, and then animations would occur, and then more pop-up messages... it seems like you might be running into behavior similar to what @FalloutFallen described earlier. You might try loading with the mod disabled/uninstalled, then save the game, then reenable/reinstall the mod, and then load that save and see if things are any better. Also @Tentacus suggested that using the config item's menu to set your sexual history to virgin and never been raped might have a similar effect with less work.

 

Just to be clear though, is AAF working normally for you otherwise? Like you can hit the home key to pull up the AAF wizard and start a scene with it successfully?

Great, I'll give that a try, thanks. 

Yep, AAF perfectly fine and the actual sex scenes for Hardship work fine too, just not getting all the subtitles. It's not a major issue, just means a lot of guesswork when trying to get a client.

[vaultbait]

4 minutes ago, JHUNT said:

Great, I'll give that a try, thanks. 

Yep, AAF perfectly fine and the actual sex scenes for Hardship work fine too, just not getting all the subtitles. It's not a major issue, just means a lot of guesswork when trying to get a client.

When you say subtitles, you mean text along the bottom of the page while characters are talking, or the outlined pop-up messages which include narrative about what's going on (whether you had an orgasm, what happened when the NPC orgasmed, et cetera)? If it's the former then yes I agree with @Tentacus double-checking your subtitle settings is in order. Also if you're using the "F4z Ro D-oh - Silent Voice" mod from nexus, be aware it's inherently buggy and causes a lot of subtitles not to display (though generally just lines for the player character, not NPC lines).

[JHUNT]

8 minutes ago, vaultbait said:

When you say subtitles, you mean text along the bottom of the page while characters are talking, or the outlined pop-up messages which include narrative about what's going on (whether you had an orgasm, what happened when the NPC orgasmed, et cetera)? If it's the former then yes I agree with @Tentacus double-checking your subtitle settings is in order. Also if you're using the "F4z Ro D-oh - Silent Voice" mod from nexus, be aware it's inherently buggy and causes a lot of subtitles not to display (though generally just lines for the player character, not NPC lines).

Yeah that's what I mean, the text along the bottom of the page when the characters are talking. The narratives about orgasms etc are all fine. I'll give it a go! As I say, I'm pretty new to mods in general so I appreciate the help, thanks again!

[Tentacus]

Update:

 

I had one more big script to do  that I forgot about, the Raider prostitution script... Fortunately I can use a lot from the (NOW FINISHED!) Follower script as a template so I'm making good time. When I am done with these I will only have the Vaginal and anal scripts + a day or 2 of testing.

[Tentacus]

UPDATE:

 

Some of this femdom dialogue in the raider prostitution script is getting pretty mean... lol... If you are playing as a straight male... I hope you aren't overly sensitive about being emasculated ?

 

I am adding a chance to turn the tables and top the female raider a little but that will more likely end badly. ? 

[Sillius_Maximus]

36 minutes ago, Tentacus said:

UPDATE:

 

Some of this femdom dialogue in the raider prostitution script is getting pretty mean... lol... If you are playing as a straight male... I hope you aren't overly sensitive about being emasculated ?

 

I am adding a chance to turn the tables and top the female raider a little but that will more likely end badly. ? 

its kind of been my feeling that if im gonna play these types of mods, i should "embrace"  the tables being turned..

[Tentacus]

16 minutes ago, Sillius_Maximus said:

its kind of been my feeling that if im gonna play these types of mods, i should "embrace"  the tables being turned..

Well in this case if you try to get on top without asking and fail the coin flip you get a beating so severe it counts as 2 on the counter with 3 crippled limbs and no payment! ?