guide Skyrim SE for Beginners - V 3.2.6 (Outdated)

[safado]

3 hours ago, buxxuc30 said:

 

Thank you thank you so much. I was too depressed I was about to give up but your post gave me hope!

 

I put the esp last in my load order (after Bashed Patch, I didn't feed it to Bashed Patch) but I still have that issue.
I tested with ASLAL in the first cell. Whenever I equip/unequip something the character just jumps like the picture, I think that's what cause the HDT to jump. It doesn't happen with a Nord character.

 

 

 

 And only the hybrids Bretons (mer/humans) have that.  Weird fricking bug.

 

Try disabling DAR, specifically the dll, no need to disable or uninstall DAR animations.

 

If that doesn't work...

I use Vortex and do not know if you can with your mod manager, but try to save your mod list active plugin in some kind of backup or profile and try only with the plugins racemenu, LAL,  3bbb, skyui, and requirements.  No patches.

 

If that do not work, it is likely a mesh, cbpc, smp conflict issue.   Try installing 3bbb with CBPC only settings.

 

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by safado

[jaeos]

On 2/22/2022 at 1:27 PM, wolbae said:

I found a way to download the Unofficial patch, but no matter what I do I cannot run the No Grass Cache. It gives me an error regarding versionlib-1-5-97 in SKSE/Plugins. Thing is, there IS none that I can find, only version-1-5-97 and versionlib-1-6+.

 

I have downgraded my skyrim version, run everything and downloaded everything up until the point of the No Grass Cache, but that is where I hit a wall with this list. Is there any way around/to fix it?

Several of us don't even use the grass cache. I personally don't give a shit if a road has grass on it. Or near a building, or growing up in the building, it could be that burned out house has been abandoned for the 4 years or so it would take for grass to grow through the wood floorboards. Takes even less time for grass growing on roads. just not walking on it constantly or the jarl saving some septums might not maintain the roads as well as they should. Depends on your outlook. 

[jaeos]

10 minutes ago, safado said:

 

 

 And only the hybrids Bretons (mer/humans) have that.  Weird fricking bug.

 

Try disabling DAR, specifically the dll, no need to disable or uninstall DAR animations.

If that doesn't work...

I use Vortex and do not know if you can with your mod manager, but try to save your mod list active plugin in some kind of backup or profile and try only with the plugins racemenu, LAL,  3bbb, skyui, and requirements. 

 

It's 2 txt files, you can copy/paste and rename them (MO2 off) one is plug-ins, 2nd is mod list that will list ALL mods not just the plug-ins. 

Spoiler

The location is if you use the profiles in MO2. If you never did change it instead of young it will say default.

Edited February 25, 2022 by jaeos
added screenshot

[trgdolors]

2 hours ago, Angelborn07 said:

However, SDA SL Patch is causing my test character save to not be able to load.  Does that patch require a fresh save?

My notes tell me that the mod SDA, like a few other mods, needs to be activated after you leave Helgen at the beginning of a new game. I have no idea if this affects your situation.

[LarryBambel]

Hello, can you add your list on Wabbajack ? 

I'm interresting because i'm very low on modding (glitch - black face - cartoon characters ...)

 

Thanks you

[buxxuc30]

9 hours ago, jaeos said:

I'm not knocking your post. BUT.. screenshots into spoilers. Please.

Do you have ANY mods not exclusive to this guide that deal with combat/ragdolls/force? I have never had an issue playing Breton like what you are describing, and since it is a problem you alone (I THINK) seem to be having, it's something in your LO, and the esp list (load order) may not be enough to diagnose it. can you also post the modlist.txt (should be in the same place as the load order.)

Thank you so much for the reminder, I wasn't aware, I've put the pictures in spoiler. So sorry for the inconvenience.

I have Babo Dialogue, Ultimate Combat and a few fixes like Scrambled Bugs, powerofthree, It makes me feel better knowing that's a problem on my side, so there's definitely a way to fix it. I've spent days and was about to give up ? But I'll give it another try!

Oh, here's my modlist. I didn't know that I should post the modlist instead of load order, thank you again for letting me know!

 

8 hours ago, safado said:

 

 

 And only the hybrids Bretons (mer/humans) have that.  Weird fricking bug.

 

Try disabling DAR, specifically the dll, no need to disable or uninstall DAR animations.

 

If that doesn't work...

I use Vortex and do not know if you can with your mod manager, but try to save your mod list active plugin in some kind of backup or profile and try only with the plugins racemenu, LAL,  3bbb, skyui, and requirements.  No patches.

 

If that do not work, it is likely a mesh, cbpc, smp conflict issue.   Try installing 3bbb with CBPC only settings.

 

 

Thank you so much for your kind help. I only tried with Full SMP and the Lite option, I'll dedicate my weekend to try and fix this!

modlist.txt

[trgdolors]

6 hours ago, LarryBambel said:

Hello, can you add your list on Wabbajack ?

While it is understandable that some would want the relative simplicity of having this guide on Wabbajack, Aylis has stated several times that it won't happen, for various reasons.

 

A couple friendly points:

 

1) Wabbajack lists are quite a bit of extra work to maintain, and just keeping this guide as-is has been a huge undertaking for Aylis over an extended period of time, for which we are all extremely grateful.

 

2) Also, this awesome guide is currently not up-to-date anyway. It can still definitely be followed (or semi-followed). However; one has to be flexible and patient as the Skyrim world has seen an unusual amount of change in the last several months. Not gonna lie; this hobby is pretty time consuming. Several regulars here will kindly try to assist if you post questions. We are here to learn, too.

[jaeos]

4 hours ago, buxxuc30 said:

Thank you so much for the reminder, I wasn't aware, I've put the pictures in spoiler. So sorry for the inconvenience.

I have Babo Dialogue, Ultimate Combat and a few fixes like Scrambled Bugs, powerofthree, It makes me feel better knowing that's a problem on my side, so there's definitely a way to fix it. I've spent days and was about to give up ? But I'll give it another try!

Oh, here's my modlist. I didn't know that I should post the modlist instead of load order, thank you again for letting me know!

 

Thank you so much for your kind help. I only tried with Full SMP and the Lite option, I'll dedicate my weekend to try and fix this!

modlist.txt 27.85 kB · 1 download

i did find a few "what the hell's" in your list. nini texture with bijin just below it. They are both skins, unless you are using the nini skin for npc and the bijin for the pc by using unique player, which i didn't see.

You are running 2 different combat overhauls skySA and ultimate combat. I do not know if they interfere with each other, but for the sake of fixing your issue i would get rid of one of them for now.

You can try disabling all of the physics (just shut off the .esp/ .esm in the right pane. see if the issue persists even with physics turned off, if so, then it's another mod and you may need to start at the bottom and work your way up to find the culprit. Obviously shut off bashed patch completely, along with dyndolod, leave FNIS and Nemesis since you do not want t-pose while testing. 

[jaeos]

1 hour ago, trgdolors said:

While it is understandable that some would want the relative simplicity of having this guide on Wabbajack, Aylis has stated several times that it won't happen, for various reasons.

 

A couple friendly points:

 

1) Wabbajack lists are quite a bit of extra work to maintain, and just keeping this guide as-is has been a huge undertaking for Aylis over an extended period of time, for which we are all extremely grateful.

 

2) Also, this awesome guide is currently not up-to-date anyway. It can still definitely be followed (or semi-followed). However; one has to be flexible and patient as the Skyrim world has seen an unusual amount of change in the last several months. Not gonna lie; this hobby is pretty time consuming. Several regulars here will kindly try to assist if you post questions. We are here to learn, too.

I believe the original NO stemed from the fact the wabbajack DL the list without tripping the DL count because it was an entire upload to their servers, that may have changed in the couple of years since. Whereas nexus now has collections that target a specific mod at a specific time in it's development that's used in a mod list, so someone could upload this modlist to nexus as a collection, (after taking out all the mods that are not nexus) and if the mod author updates the mod, the old version will still be used.. even 20 years from now. Highly unlikely but possible. Nexus opened a whole can of headaches with that, keeping old mods in perpetuity until that collection is deleted anyway. 

[Angelborn07]

22 hours ago, jaeos said:

I'll answer the second first. 

the game doesn't exactly freeze, but that's splitting hairs. switch to argonian then switch gender then back to your preferred race, The game engine has issues loading all of the options that were added all at once (700 hair styles, 300 eye colors, 100ish tattoos (for me), so it gets a little overwhelmed and it takes it's own time getting it worked out, but if you use a custom race or just switch to argonians and then back to your race its easier for it. 

Now the first. 

I've only used the rdo-sde patch version name as 4.0rdo patch. but it shouldn't have an issue with your save at all. But i use a different version of serana altogether. so.. ymmv

Thank you so much, I totally didn't think about that, but it makes complete sense.  And KS hairs DOES have a crap ton of options...  As for the patch, I don't know how important it is, although having the option to seduce Serana is definitely of interest to me, if this patch is just borked, then there is little point in forcing the issue.  Besides, I've yet to ever do any of the DLC content in this game...

[jaeos]

1 hour ago, Angelborn07 said:

Thank you so much, I totally didn't think about that, but it makes complete sense.  And KS hairs DOES have a crap ton of options...  As for the patch, I don't know how important it is, although having the option to seduce Serana is definitely of interest to me, if this patch is just borked, then there is little point in forcing the issue.  Besides, I've yet to ever do any of the DLC content in this game...

Serana as a lover is defiantly interesting.. and in reality she kinda hits on you first. Try re-downloading the patch, sometimes it does get fucky when you download stuff.

[Madigan-]

Hi All

Ive just gone through this guide again, as after the first time I was having some issues with the save games being corrupted - they would load from the first loading skyrim but once in game if you saved your game then tried to load a previous one they were all corrupt.

So I've just wiped everything and gone through the whole process again ... being very methodical and following everything to the letter - and testing mods at the end of each segment that all was fine.

I've just finished the Final section and ... have it again.  Had just done the bodyslides, the Wrye Bash Patch and the DynDOLOD so now backtracking removing mods to try and get back to when it was stable but no luck so far.

 

HAs anyone had a similar issue or know what could be causing it?  

 

The only isssues flagged in MO2 are these, but they were all mods from the list so assumed it was ok?

 

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by Madigan-

[axz2]

2 hours ago, Madigan- said:

 

 

43 will probably not be a problem.  Some claim it is one but plenty of people play with form 43 plugins in SE.

Edited February 26, 2022 by axz2

[Aylis]

@Madigan-

Thats something you can completely ignore. Both (43 and 44) will work fine.

[Madigan-]

47 minutes ago, Aylis said:

@Madigan-

Thats something you can completely ignore. Both (43 and 44) will work fine.

 

 

Ok thats good - as there was a couple of other mods I wanted to try not on your list that had those.

 

So does anyone know why my save files are corrupting?  They will still load from a fresh start of skyrim but once in game I get

 

[jaeos]

1 hour ago, Madigan- said:

 

 

Ok thats good - as there was a couple of other mods I wanted to try not on your list that had those.

 

So does anyone know why my save files are corrupting?  They will still load from a fresh start of skyrim but once in game I get

 

Start with the basics. make a shortcut to skse in the skyrim folder to the desktop (so you are not using a mod manager but still using skse to not trip the update BS.) start a game, go through the ride. make your char. does not matter species or gender. save, then save in the tower. exit, then start skse again and load those saves, are they corrupt at that point? if so you have a skyrim or skse issue and not a mod issue. (i'm killing possibilities one at a time until it's narrowed down.

[Angelborn07]

So, slight update on my earlier issue.  I created a new character with SDA SL Patch loaded, got to a point where I could save.  Then I exited game, loaded up the new character just fine.  So I guess as long as the patch is active at character creation, it seems like it will work.  Just means I can't use it with the test character, which isn't a major issue in my eyes.  Just don't know if it'll cause other problems down the line...

 

So quick question on the last section.  When it comes the the body presets, can you only have 1 installed, or can you install others and choose during character creation?  Having the option for a variety of body types sounds very appealing to me...

Edited February 27, 2022 by Angelborn07

[remodel]

Just reporting my experiences with Immersive Patrols.  I tested with Elephant's Script Latency Tester and the latency on my machine is 71 - 79 with up to about 20 Stormcloaks and Imperials battling.  No issues and it works fine in my mod load.  Stormcloaks seem to win most of the time.

[jaeos]

2 hours ago, Angelborn07 said:

So, slight update on my earlier issue.  I created a new character with SDA SL Patch loaded, got to a point where I could save.  Then I exited game, loaded up the new character just fine.  So I guess as long as the patch is active at character creation, it seems like it will work.  Just means I can't use it with the test character, which isn't a major issue in my eyes.  Just don't know if it'll cause other problems down the line...

 

So quick question on the last section.  When it comes the the body presets, can you only have 1 installed, or can you install others and choose during character creation?  Having the option for a variety of body types sounds very appealing to me...

You can have as many presets you want. BUT. We have this come along every few months. unless you use unique player your body builds will be shared among ALL* (there is one exception, but she's special.)  females, including the ones you might not want it to. like Olava the feeble. Bergritte Battle-Born, Grelod the kind to name a few. So if you make a body preset with massive breasts and huge ass. they will ALL* have big breasts and a big ass. The only way the game engine changes the body is by "weight" Lydia is a 100 in that scale so she will have a body exactly like your created bodyslide. Same with Jordis. Raya is a 50 so she will appear to be smaller that lydia or jordis when put side by side, same for Serana, and a few other npcs.

 

*The only NPC you won't change is Aela. She has her own body (i'm assuming it was because she is the only female werewolf in the base game and bethesda may have been having issues with her trasnformation in or out of werewolf and fixed it that way.)But you can get a mod to replace her body and change it to however you choose.

[Madigan-]

10 hours ago, jaeos said:

Start with the basics. make a shortcut to skse in the skyrim folder to the desktop (so you are not using a mod manager but still using skse to not trip the update BS.) start a game, go through the ride. make your char. does not matter species or gender. save, then save in the tower. exit, then start skse again and load those saves, are they corrupt at that point? if so you have a skyrim or skse issue and not a mod issue. (i'm killing possibilities one at a time until it's narrowed down.

 

 

Ok I have tried that and the saves were fine.

 

Like I said, I was testing for this at the end of each section as I had this trouble at the end of my last attempt at following this guide - they were ok up until the last run where I did Patches and Final.

I've unloaded everything in Final bar FNIS and problem was still there, have now disabled all the patches ... and its stable again!  (Yay!) - so just need to go back through and narrow it down to which one is causing the issue.

 

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Whilst I am here, I've another question - my char now has 2 pubic hairs since I ran all the bodyslides at the end.  I picked shaved on all the mods (Caliente's, Bijin Skin) and was just using the female pubic hair from SOS but now have a dark bushy one too - so wondered how do you remove it in bodyslides

 

 

[jaeos]

5 hours ago, Madigan- said:

 

 

Ok I have tried that and the saves were fine.

 

Like I said, I was testing for this at the end of each section as I had this trouble at the end of my last attempt at following this guide - they were ok up until the last run where I did Patches and Final.

I've unloaded everything in Final bar FNIS and problem was still there, have now disabled all the patches ... and its stable again!  (Yay!) - so just need to go back through and narrow it down to which one is causing the issue.

 

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Whilst I am here, I've another question - my char now has 2 pubic hairs since I ran all the bodyslides at the end.  I picked shaved on all the mods (Caliente's, Bijin Skin) and was just using the female pubic hair from SOS but now have a dark bushy one too - so wondered how do you remove it in bodyslides

 

 

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You don't. If you have pubic hair it is either the SOS or a skin you added/ use. when you pull up the 3ba naked skin in bodyslide does it have pubic hair? if so, then it's the skin. if not, it's SOS. And it is possible if you are not naked and see 2 pubic hair i would check the outfit as well, some may use a different skin because the author added it in. If thats the case, it's a little harder to get rid of, but not impossible, just takes some deleting in outfit studio. 

Spoiler

This is the naked bodyslide i use in FO4 (yes, same concept) the skin i am using has stubble instead of hair, so it shows. If i want shaved i need to change the skin to a shaved skin for fusion girl, in your case if you have 2. i suspect you have a skin plus the SOS and not just the SOS. 

 

I suspect you have patch .esm running that are not right in the options you were given, i would turn them on 5 at a time until i found the one patch that corrupted it, and re-install that patch, picking options that seem the most vanilla/common and see if it fixes it, if you do that a few times and it still is corrupted, turn that patch off, and re-bash patch it 

Edited February 27, 2022 by jaeos

[Madigan-]

28 minutes ago, jaeos said:

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You don't. If you have pubic hair it is either the SOS or a skin you added/ use. when you pull up the 3ba naked skin in bodyslide does it have pubic hair? if so, then it's the skin. if not, it's SOS. And it is possible if you are not naked and see 2 pubic hair i would check the outfit as well, some may use a different skin because the author added it in. If thats the case, it's a little harder to get rid of, but not impossible, just takes some deleting in outfit studio. 

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This is the naked bodyslide i use in FO4 (yes, same concept) the skin i am using has stubble instead of hair, so it shows. If i want shaved i need to change the skin to a shaved skin for fusion girl, in your case if you have 2. i suspect you have a skin plus the SOS and not just the SOS. 

 

I suspect you have patch .esm running that are not right in the options you were given, i would turn them on 5 at a time until i found the one patch that corrupted it, and re-install that patch, picking options that seem the most vanilla/common and see if it fixes it, if you do that a few times and it still is corrupted, turn that patch off, and re-bash patch it 

 

 

Ah yes, it was on the bodyslide on preview - I only use Caliente CBBE, Fair Skin Complexion and Bijin Skin - CBBE all of which I reinstalled when I was looking for a solution, but there was a Bijin Skin - Improved Labia that wasn't in the list but in the one of the posts just afterward that seems to be the cause.

Cheers!

 

Now onto patches ...

[jaeos]

18 minutes ago, Madigan- said:

 

 

Ah yes, it was on the bodyslide on preview - I only use Caliente CBBE, Fair Skin Complexion and Bijin Skin - CBBE all of which I reinstalled when I was looking for a solution, but there was a Bijin Skin - Improved Labia that wasn't in the list but in the one of the posts just afterward that seems to be the cause.

Cheers!

 

Now onto patches ...

Yeah You only need the labia meshes if your labia in bodyslide is white/grey indicating you have no textures for that. Fair skin has those textures, but which one are you using, bijin or fair skin, it's the same as bodyslides, whatever skin you are using so will all of the females use the same skin. having both does no good and just takes up a mod slot. 

[Bricks]

Did a quick search/skim of the threads recent posts to see but out of curiosity, How is the lists AE compatibility? I haven't played since the update but have been getting the craving and this list has typically been my starting point for a stable/fun list. Any major issues I should be aware of? 

[unknownwake]

Doing a thorough reinstall on the latest update no paid additions and every time I redo this list I'm stunned by how stupid I was the last time I did it. Couple things after finishing the Foundation section:

 

-Green and Lush Aspen Trees SE (Foundation) has changed its FOMOD so much that I think the options in the guide could do with an update. 

-Blended Roads has a FOMOD installer. I'm going in for the REALly Blended Roads because my issues with skyrim were never at any point performance-related; there's also a SMIM patch in there for both options that needs to be taken into account. 

-My biggest fuck up with my old install was probably related to auto-saving. I'd hit that continue button without even thinking. Is there room on the list for something that would completely disable those fuckers? Or alternately to remove the "Continue" button from the main menu? 

-I noticed that Parallax is disabled in the current list. Should I just keep it around on a fresh install? There's still a bunch of Parallax patches in Foundation (and probably elsewhere too?) and I'm not sure if those will cause issues. 

-I know I bitched about this last year but it's baffling to me that both getting to the point of downloading the enb .dlls and installing rudy's enb... things... are still so counterintuitive to me. 

 

SKSE Extensions section: 
-JContainers has an officially supported AE version now. I realize this one is harder to test but maybe it needs a blue checkmark

-Same with Animation Motion Revolution, Better Jumping, powerofthree's Papyrus Extender, Skyrim Priority, SSE Display Tweaks, Splashes of Skyrim, and Stay At The System Page.
-NPC AI Process Position Fix - SSE claims that it specifically does not work with AE. Downloading anyway and I'll keep an eye out for the bug?
-PrivateProfileRedirector is still marked "untested" but that was uploaded almost two months ago so I'd imagine it's doing well? 

-SSE Engine Fixes has an AE version now but it still requires the two-part installation. Maybe make a note about that? (I'm actually still not super sure we're doing the second part with this list but I did it last time)

-Which other mod has the DLL loader functionality? Without it I can't test anything in this section before moving on. 

 

also i got all excited to jump in and look at Majestic Mountains in an unaltered state and forgot they won't show up from where my scrub is standing in Riverwood until I get down to DynDoLOD ?‍♂️

Edited February 28, 2022 by unknownwake
added skse extensions questions