Arousal Based Breast Adjuster for SE (ABBA)

[PepperDog017]

7 hours ago, Yinkle said:

This sounds like an SMP xml config issue. You could try re-naming the CBBE shape in the new "3 boob boned" body meshes as well as the correspnding xml file. Then edit the renamed xml file and defaultbbps.xml accordingly, this way all your CBBE outfits without all the new stuff could still point at the old xml file.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but yes that seems like it would work. At least as a semi-temporary fix, since the SMP motion (and collisions) will be somewhat different between clothed and naked (not a huge issue, but still not optimal). I am gonna give that a shot and see how it works out.

 

Getting a bit off topic here, but... have you looked at the new SMP body mesh in nifskope? It has many more bones along with proxy shapes compared to the "standard" CBBE body. Here is a quick side by side for reference (CBBE SMP on left, ABBA body on right. Note the SMP node/proxy shape list continues below the bottom cutoff quite a ways...)

 

[Yinkle]

1 hour ago, PepperDog017 said:

have you looked at the new SMP body mesh in nifskope?

Yes, also if you look at the standard physics CBBE body in 1.5.4 you will see that the only diference to 1.5.3 is the new asymmetry slider, this also goes for the CBBE physics reference shape. I'd hazzard a guess that this new body is designed only to be used as a naked body unless you want to do a shitload of work to convert all of your outfits!

 

Obviously this also becomes an issue if you use modular outfits where in some circumstances characters might not be wearing anything that includes the CBBE baseshape.

 

ABBA body won't be changing to the 3 boob bone, wobbly thigh thingy any time soon for this reason. I might release a version I've been working on that adds L/R Breast01 which is part of the XP32 skeleton but not sure yet. The main reason I haven't released it yet is because of the reasons above

[randomuser777]

I managed to make some good use of the OpenPussy slider feature you added recently.

 

 

Uses the arousal much the same way you made with the ABBA body. This might not look the most realistic but its effect is good.

Thanks for making this mod.

[PepperDog017]

On 9/12/2019 at 12:14 PM, Yinkle said:

I'd hazzard a guess that this new body is designed only to be used as a naked body unless you want to do a shitload of work to convert all of your outfits!

 

Obviously this also becomes an issue if you use modular outfits where in some circumstances characters might not be wearing anything that includes the CBBE baseshape.

Yeah...I quickly arrived at those conclusions. But the mesh name edit and additional XML reference in DefaultBBPs does work as you suggested. I am setting this aside for now and just wait and see how it plays out. If outfit creators begin adopting this new CBBE SMP body en masse I may follow along. But the amount of work to adjust all my old outfits to work correctly looks to be...a lot.

[Kristus Kringle]

@Yinkle  I am playing a female Dragonborn for the first time since this mod came out and when the ABBA dress enters my inventory, I CTD. Probably some conflict on my end but I have no idea how to diagnose this. It's happened on 2 new characters, each with slightly different load outs. One character was able to eventually escape the CTD by constantly fast traveling naked.

[Yinkle]

59 minutes ago, Duncan Idaho said:

@Yinkle  I am playing a female Dragonborn for the first time since this mod came out and when the ABBA dress enters my inventory, I CTD. Probably some conflict on my end but I have no idea how to diagnose this. It's happened on 2 new characters, each with slightly different load outs. One character was able to eventually escape the CTD by constantly fast traveling naked.

Most likely an issue with your physics setup. If you haven't got XP32 (Groovetama) skeleton and a physics framework (HDT SMP or CBP/C) installed then my outfits are likely to cause problems including CTD

[General Neondaze]

@Yinkle I have to say that the view from behind my PC while running is awesome when wearing the Special dress. ??

[Kristus Kringle]

6 hours ago, Yinkle said:

Most likely an issue with your physics setup. If you haven't got XP32 (Groovetama) skeleton and a physics framework (HDT SMP or CBP/C) installed then my outfits are likely to cause problems including CTD

It's crashing on smp. Physics are working fine on other outfits. Does anything else happen when it goes into inventory besides just showing up, any other scripts?

[Yinkle]

3 hours ago, Duncan Idaho said:

It's crashing on smp. Physics are working fine on other outfits. Does anything else happen when it goes into inventory besides just showing up, any other scripts?

Sorry I misread your original post. I've no idea why the game would CTD at that point, it's never happened here. ABBA sends a modevent after learning the first word of the ABBA shout (if ABBA-outfit.esp is detected) and a very simple function just adds the outfit items to the player's inventory.

 

Does the game still CTD at that point if you disable ABBA-outfit.esp?

 

Skyrim LE used to CTD occasionaly when a script adds/removes lots of items from the inventory. An example being when you give all your stuff to Delphine before the Thalmor embassy party. I've never seen this happen in SE though and ABBA outfit only adds 5 items.

 

[Kristus Kringle]

13 hours ago, Yinkle said:

Does the game still CTD at that point if you disable ABBA-outfit.esp?

No, I've disabled it for now. I have no doubt the problem is on my end, just an odd one to figure out. I found another armor that ctd's when it enters my inventory, Barbaric Boob Armor from Sunjeong. Both are happening on smp and cbpc. But I have other smp armors and they are fine. Weird one.

[perrymwt]

33 minutes ago, Duncan Idaho said:

No, I've disabled it for now. I have no doubt the problem is on my end, just an odd one to figure out. I found another armor that ctd's when it enters my inventory, Barbaric Boob Armor from Sunjeong. Both are happening on smp and cbpc. But I have other smp armors and they are fine. Weird one.

Probably not the same problem, but I had a similar problem with equipping armours.  Some would CTD on equip.  The culprit turned out to be Milk Addict's function to check if an armour was revealing.  A new armour was supposed to pop up a dialogue, but some crashed.  Do you have a mod that does a similar check somewhere?  Add the armour to an NPC to see if the CTD happens there.

[Kristus Kringle]

5 hours ago, perrymwt said:

Probably not the same problem, but I had a similar problem with equipping armours.  Some would CTD on equip.  The culprit turned out to be Milk Addict's function to check if an armour was revealing.  A new armour was supposed to pop up a dialogue, but some crashed.  Do you have a mod that does a similar check somewhere?  Add the armour to an NPC to see if the CTD happens there.

The ctd happens when it enters my inventory not when equipped.

[Yinkle]

4 hours ago, Duncan Idaho said:

The ctd happens when it enters my inventory not when equipped.

I wonder if it's because a couple of the "special" ABBA outfit items have custom enchantments on them. This might be causing a conflict with another mod?

Did you try adding the items via console or additemmenu?

[Kristus Kringle]

11 hours ago, Yinkle said:

I wonder if it's because a couple of the "special" ABBA outfit items have custom enchantments on them. This might be causing a conflict with another mod?

Did you try adding the items via console or additemmenu?

I'll try it. My guess is some mod is behaving like a gremlin, causing problems with other mods because weird stuff like this is popping up. Honestly a lot of these problems started after recent updates to Racemenu but that might be coincidence. It might also be a load order issue, I've found that LOOT is not foolproof (and neither am I).

 

 

load order

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  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
  6  6     BBLuxurySuite.esm
  7  7     SexLab.esm
  8  8     Devious Devices - Assets.esm
  9  9     SexLabAroused.esm
 10  a     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
 11  b     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
 12  c     CreatureFramework.esm
 13  d     RaceCompatibility.esm
 14  e     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
 15  f     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 16 10     ApachiiHair.esm
 17 11     ApachiiHairFemales.esm
 18 12     ApachiiHairMales.esm
 19 13     hdtHighHeel.esm
 20 14     Heels Sound.esm
254 FE   0 Sensible Crime Reporting.esl
254 FE   1 AnimatedHarvesting.esl
 21 15     FISS.esp
254 FE   2 [COCO]CheongSan_SE.esl
 22 16     SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
 23 17     SkyUI_SE.esp
 24 18     Cutting Room Floor.esp
 25 19     NAT.esp
 26 1a     WeaponWeightsReduced.esp
 27 1b     MoreBanditCamps.esp
 28 1c     Fresh Women.esp
 29 1d     OBIS SE.esp
 30 1e     SexLab_Solutions.esp
 31 1f     RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
254 FE   3 0_katnerd_StartPlayerFemale_Spells.esp
 32 20     UIExtensions.esp
 33 21     AddItemMenuSE.esp
 34 22     SLAnimLoader.esp
 35 23     IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
 36 24     SexyBanditCaptives.esp
 37 25     hydra_slavegirls.esp
 38 26     DFB - Random Encounters.esp
 39 27     SimplyKnock.esp
 40 28     SL Survival.esp
           BBLS_SKSE64_Patch.esp
 41 29     Immersive Encounters.esp
 42 2a     RiversideLodge.esp
 43 2b     Atlas Legendary.esp
 44 2c     RaceMenu.esp
 45 2d     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 46 2e     RaceMenuHH.esp
 47 2f     SlaveTats.esp
 48 30     RutahTattooPack SE.esp
 49 31     Less Tedious Thieves Guild.esp
 50 32     Immersive Patrols II.esp
 51 33     AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp
 52 34     ALittleBitMoreBanditsEmbershardMine.esp
 53 35     SolitudeNPC.esp
 54 36     Whiterun2.esp
 55 37     NudeYngvildSpirits.esp
 56 38     TTR_Master_Trader_1x.esp
 57 39     NewmillerPiercings2.esp
 58 3a     NewmillerPiercings3.esp
 59 3b     OBIS Loot SE.esp
 60 3c     SOSRaceMenu.esp
 61 3d     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
 62 3e     SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
           SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
 63 3f     SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
 64 40     MistySkye.esp
 65 41     SexyBanditCaptives_ApachiiHair.esp
 66 42     SassyGirls.esp
 67 43     [SunJeong] Ninirim Collection.esp
 68 44     SexyStartingOptions.esp
 69 45     ElysiumEstate.esp
           TDF Aroused Sexy Idles.esp
 70 46     RM_Barbarian.esp
 71 47     NewmDressExtendedWitch.esp
 72 48     ZaitamasAncientShroudedArmor.esp
 73 49     ForswornAllowAmulet.esp
 74 4a     WT Tribal Clothe.esp
 75 4b     SexLab Vanilla Voices.esp
 76 4c     Queit Arcadia.esp
 77 4d     NusbieVoices.esp
 78 4e     SexLab Extra Voices.esp
 79 4f     FaceSculptorsRacemenu.esp
 80 50     CBBE.esp
 81 51     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
 82 52     CommunityOverlays1_0T30.esp
 83 53     CommunityOverlays2_31T50.esp
254 FE   4 Senua's Warpaints.esp
 84 54     KS Hairdo's.esp
 85 55     saLa_Hairs.esp
 86 56     SFO_SkinFeatureOverlays.esp
254 FE   5 Player Blink Fix.esp
 87 57     Easy lockpicking.esp
 88 58     PrisonerRagsForFemales.esp
254 FE   6 MiniBikini.esp
 89 59     LH Jewel Collection.esp
 90 5a     Highheels.esp
 91 5b     FemaleOutfitReplacer.esp
 92 5c     zaizaiJD.esp
 93 5d     GomaperoFollower.esp
 94 5e     ABBA.esp
 95 5f     MoreNastyCritters.esp
 96 60     Sexlab - Cum Overlays.esp
 97 61     SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
 98 62     FNIS.esp
 99 63     FNISSexyMove.esp
254 FE   7 SexlabLightMeUp.esp
100 64     Cumshot.esp
254 FE   8 CumshotSL.esp
101 65     SerialStrip.esp
102 66     SerialStripper.esp
103 67     True Eyes SE.esp
104 68     Brows.esp
105 69     SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
106 6a     MannequinChicks.esp
107 6b     YoungDawnguard.esp
108 6c     nwsFollowerFramework.esp
109 6d     thievesguildexit.esp
110 6e     NibsFollowers.esp
111 6f     [SunJeong] Skimpy Modern.esp
112 70     SkyDreamKittens.esp
113 71     OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
114 72     Mortal Weapons & Armor.esp
115 73     NaughtyNightie.esp
           BodySearch.esp
           BodySearchND.esp
116 74     SexistGuards.esp
117 75     UNP Leather Clothes.esp
118 76     AltStartRaceMenuActivator.esp
119 77     SexLab_PaySexCrime.esp
120 78     SubsurfaceScatteringShader.esp
121 79     FastTravelCost.esp
122 7a     DragonBridge.esp
123 7b     COR_AllRace.esp
124 7c     sr_FillHerUp.esp
125 7d     LyPlayerVoice.esp
254 FE   9 HozumiFollowers.esp
254 FE   a _JaneFollower.esp
126 7e     RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
127 7f     DD_Helpers.esp
128 80     FNIS_PCEA2.esp
129 81     RiftenNPCs.esp
130 82     SexLabDefeat.esp
131 83     SexLabDangerousNights2.esp
132 84     LewdMarks.esp
254 FE   b OBIS Female Mannequins Patch.esp
133 85     SexyBabyV2.esp
134 86     SOS - Skimpy Courch Underwear.esp
135 87     KeelyFollowerByAsherz.esp
136 88     SOS - Pubic Hair for Females Addon.esp
           SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
137 89     AdditionalEncounters.esp
138 8a     FMS_FemaleMakeupSuite.esp
139 8b     Andromeda.esp
140 8c     SkyDreamMaidens.esp
141 8d     SkyDreamMerMaids.esp
142 8e     iMaxxRace.esp
143 8f     Men of Winter.esp
144 90     RCOTS-Ellie.esp
145 91     Seraphim - PrettyCourier.esp
146 92     BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp
147 93     UltimateBoundBow.esp
148 94     Tentacle Parasite.esp
149 95     Spartan Bard Outfit CBBE.esp
254 FE   c nwsFF_NoTeamMagicDamage.esp
150 96     KomAnimObjects.esp
151 97     KomAnimScaler.esp
152 98     xBowsette.esp
153 99     YgNord Race.esp
154 9a     Follower Onean.esp
155 9b     PetCollar.esp
156 9c     Follower_Shannon.esp
254 FE   d _CPR_BucketHead.esp
157 9d     Mizuho Follower.esp
158 9e     Miqo'te Follower.esp
159 9f     HOBRaquel.esp
160 a0     HavoksLipPatterns.esp
161 a1     XPMSE.esp
162 a2     Animal_SOS.esp
163 a3     Miko.esp
164 a4     HG_Lilitha.esp
165 a5     Follower_Yuliya.esp
166 a6     FemaleNakedComments.esp
167 a7     SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp
168 a8     YunDao_Hdt_Hair.esp
169 a9     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
170 aa     Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
171 ab     Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
172 ac     Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp

 

 

[General Neondaze]

1 hour ago, Duncan Idaho said:

I'll try it. My guess is some mod is behaving like a gremlin, causing problems with other mods because weird stuff like this is popping up. Honestly a lot of these problems started after recent updates to Racemenu but that might be coincidence. It might also be a load order issue, I've found that LOOT is not foolproof (and neither am I).

You might want to take a look at this guide with regards to load order and SL mods: -

 

 

[Bopplehunter]

Thanks and follow up.

 

Sorry for the delay.  I was just exploring SSE and FO4 trying to determine which I want to do a play through with.  I have DL and installed both.  Your mid is working for me just fine.  With the embarassment and caveat I think you sent me a private note.  If so, I deleted it before I read it.  Alternatively, it may have just been a notice that you replied to my post.

 

Question:  Is there a good tutorial or introduction I can look at to begin to understand what you do and scripting?  

 

My level?  I can use creation kit to modify Items, Spaces and Nav Mesh.  I can BodySlide and Outfit studio,  but never the  more advanced functions.

[Corbaine]

I think a great feature for ABBA would be if you had the ability to switch off the NPC scanner and manually add actors for it to track and manage. I don't know much about scripting, but I've heard repeatedly how ROBUST the Papyrus scripting engine is, so I'm always looking for ways to lower the script load in my game. Just a thought.

 

Great mod though.

[Yinkle]

9 hours ago, Bopplehunter said:

Question:  Is there a good tutorial or introduction I can look at to begin to understand what you do and scripting? 

This is probably as good a place to start as any, check out the papyrus tutorials: https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=Category:Tutorials

 

The other thing to do is to study mods that have good "markup" in the source code, preferable ones that you have experience of using in-game.

 

8 hours ago, Corbaine said:

I think a great feature for ABBA would be if you had the ability to switch off the NPC scanner and manually add actors for it to track and manage. I don't know much about scripting, but I've heard repeatedly how ROBUST the Papyrus scripting engine is, so I'm always looking for ways to lower the script load in my game. Just a thought.

I'll keep this in mind but it wouldn't be trivial to do so no promises, thanks for the suggestion though.

Edit: In comparison to a lot of other mods found here or indeed on the nexus, the script load from ABBA is pretty low really even with the npc scanner enabled.

For example this very popular nexus mod has insane script load and I (regretably because it is awesome) ended up removing it from my load order due to performance issues.

 

One thing that I've put in place already is to limit the number of npcs that the ABBA scanner looks for, when setting this to a low number, ABBA will only affect the closest npcs to the player up to this number. Surely this is more convenient and immersive than deciding who gets affected or not?

[Bopplehunter]

17 hours ago, Yinkle said:

This is probably as good a place to start as any, check out the papyrus tutorials: https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=Category:Tutorials

 

The other thing to do is to study mods that have good "markup" in the source code, preferable ones that you have experience of using in-game.

 

 

Thanks again for your help.  On an aside,  I ported ( for my own use, would never upload without blessing of original author ) Breast and Butt Size Scaling for NPCs.  Oldrim by oblivionated1 with a simple Open/Resave in CreatioKit_SSE. 

 

I have asked him i he was willing to port to SSE.  Before looking at the Papyrus tutorial, I took a look at his compiled scripts -- No original source code provided.  Well, lol, let's just say my one semester of  FORTRAN77 was a long time ago...

[Corbaine]

On 9/20/2019 at 10:26 PM, Yinkle said:

Edit: In comparison to a lot of other mods found here or indeed on the nexus, the script load from ABBA is pretty low really even with the npc scanner enabled.

For example this very popular nexus mod has insane script load and I (regretably because it is awesome) ended up removing it from my load order due to performance issues.

 

One thing that I've put in place already is to limit the number of npcs that the ABBA scanner looks for, when setting this to a low number, ABBA will only affect the closest npcs to the player up to this number. Surely this is more convenient and immersive than deciding who gets affected or not?

Hey Yinkle, thanks for the response. Good to know, man.  It's probably not an issue then so all good.

 

It would be great if there was a list somewhere tracking how script intensive mods are - it would be a major boon when optimizing one's modlist.

[AtomicPlayboy]

Is the ABBA body required for it to work, or can I just use the CBBE Physics/Special body? Also there's no labia with the ABBA body, what would you recommend for it?

[FeloniusMonk]

When I turn off the effects on the PC, she reverses immediately, but then gets the swollen boobs again, anyway.  

[CrabGod]

I wish there was a Abba body special, something that would take the good aspects of both special and ABBA.

[CrabGod]

I have  a quick question. This mod is responsible for the female orgasm shouts, right?

 

edit-  nvm i was confused I thought that the abba shout was supposed to activate after every orgasm, but then i read into it and figured out it only activates for the abba triggered orgasm.

[Tortex]

On 7/4/2019 at 1:22 PM, Yinkle said:

That said I'm not sure how well ABBA will play with bodygen. I've not really experimented enough to say with any authority.

 

Edit: another posibility for the issue you encountered might be that if the bodygen in your savegame was made with CBBE Special for example,  changing to the ABBA body might require it to be reset manually. I'd hope that racemenu would detect the change and automatically regenerate them though.

It doesn't. They "fight" and bad things can happen. Like npcs with morphs that lead to CTD on cell change, and disappearing torso segments. They both work fine individually, just not together for whatever reason. Which is a hard pill to swallow cause I don't know what to give up. Seems to be at least *partially* preset range specific. So in theory I could maybe figure out what's doing what and what doesn't like what and configure it but I'm not sure I'm patient enough. I do really like ABBA, though, and I've not had any actual bugs or issues with it. At least when BodyGen is doing ALL|FEMALE with a very wide preset range. Smaller ones seem more likely to end up missing segments. (E.g bad morph leading to missing breasts.) Larger ones never disappear, but "corrupt" cells and you can't enter until the NPC is removed one way or another without CTD(ILS), even if the last morph layer is applied while you are in the cell and it doesn't crash. (Never actually seems to.)

 

This is with CBBE SMP/Special variants. I'm guessing it's more uh, consistent with the older CBBE like ABBA's.