Devious Devices SE

[TiredGamer]

4 hours ago, Altami said:

Could anyone help please? I got the same message as a previous user when trying to start the game after updating DD to the latest version. I have Skyrim AE 1.6.640 and I picked the AE option. Reinstalling did not make it work. Switching back to 5.1 makes it work again.

It's possible that I had installed a dll fix or update, but I don't remember doing so. If that's the case, does anyone know of one that may work with this new version?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

 

Find the correct version in the .7z file. Or trying the the AE dlls one after another.

[brdc]

24 minutes ago, krzzp said:

Well, I've used the standard DD 5.2 animations, no changes were made to the files - so, if the offsets are off, they should behave the same with or without DAR.

I think it always looked like that with this device, with FNIS, Nemesis and DAR - I thought this was the intended behaviour ? Perhaps the offsets are wrong in the MaikCG animations? You could always test by quickly replacing , for example, a single mt_runforward,hkx in 100005/female (iirc that's the folder for yokes without any boots) with a different type of animation (Base/Feurtin/Cedec) and see if that fixes that particular problem.

Ohh..I've always been using basic animations from 5.1 to 5.2 Beta and never seen this misalignment. So to me it looks like MaikCG cause the problem. 

I have just download DARExplorer right before this post, so I need to take some time figuring out how to use it or replace any animation.

 

14 hours ago, krzzp said:

Yeah, I've double checked my archive just now, it should have the correct ones in the correct folders.

If you re-ran the script to change animations, perhaps try doing that with the updated one.

 

 

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I checked my DAR archives just like you posted, it shows the right animations. 

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Then I tested in game, this time I tried to do many movements in bondage combat mode.

Attack, sneak, sneak attack, sprint, jump, all using yoke animations as they should be. 

Only moving/running/turning animation go wrong using armbinder animation. 

 

1 hour ago, krzzp said:

Is this happening only with yokes? Can you try a different type of device? For example, do the frontal cuffs show the animation for something else when in combat?

On reading this I tried other devices immediately and found out frontal cuffs and breast yoke are also problematic.

 

Spent some time going through the animations in DAR explorer, I found out that folder xxx001 and xxx101 are missing h2h_locomotionpose! And there are corresponding animations from 002 to 006 and from 102 to 106. Are the miss causing all the trouble?

[brdc]

4 minutes ago, 1947421196 said:

On reading this I tried other devices immediately and found out frontal cuffs and breast yoke are also problematic.

@zarantha

On my test of frontal cuffs, I used "Iron handcuffs". When equipped, my game FPS immediately dropped from 40-50 to like 1. Still moving, but super slow. Save&load didn't help. After unequipping, the game immediately resumed its normal FPS. 

So far it has not happened with other devices.

[krzp]

46 minutes ago, 1947421196 said:

Spent some time going through the animations in DAR explorer, I found out that folder xxx001 and xxx101 are missing h2h_locomotionpose! And there are corresponding animations from 002 to 006 and from 102 to 106. Are the miss causing all the trouble?

001 are the elbow ties poses - and, for some reason, DD doesn't have a correct h2h_locomotion pose for that one - you can use the DAR explorer's FNIS tab and look at all the installed non-DAR animations, there is a abc6_h2h_locomotion (should be the elbow tie), which displays the same animation as abc2_h2h_locomotion (yoke one). So this is the DD limitation, I'm currently searching my old archives to see if I can find the correct one.

 

But this shouldn't affect the other devices.

 

Looking at the load order, is nothing overwriting the DD to Dar file, the scripts part?

What software are you using for the main non-dar animations, FNIS or Nemesis?

If the files are in the correct folders, the DAR should push them onto your character, if a different animation plays - that means this could be overtaken by the main animation framework. If it's Nemesis, see if that compatibility patch helps with that.

 

 

52 minutes ago, 1947421196 said:

Ohh..I've always been using basic animations from 5.1 to 5.2 Beta and never seen this misalignment. So to me it looks like MaikCG cause the problem. 

Ah, and I've rarely used other ones, always liked the synergy between those and his regular walking animations. ?

 

38 minutes ago, 1947421196 said:

On my test of frontal cuffs, I used "Iron handcuffs". When equipped, my game FPS immediately dropped from 40-50 to like 1. Still moving, but super slow. Save&load didn't help. After unequipping, the game immediately resumed its normal FPS. 

 

If those are the HDT ones, I've had a similar problem, older files from the DD beta's, or an older version of FSMP helped me.

[brdc]

27 minutes ago, krzzp said:

Looking at the load order, is nothing overwriting the DD to Dar file, the scripts part?

No, not even a single file is overwriting the DD-DAR file. 

 

29 minutes ago, krzzp said:

What software are you using for the main non-dar animations, FNIS or Nemesis?

If the files are in the correct folders, the DAR should push them onto your character, if a different animation plays - that means this could be overtaken by the main animation framework. If it's Nemesis, see if that compatibility patch helps with that.

I have only used FNIS and never touched Nemesis. 

Also had a quick try on your patch, didn't help this but solved NPC turning problem. At least one thing done, hurray!

 

44 minutes ago, krzzp said:

If those are the HDT ones, I've had a similar problem, older files from the DD beta's, or an older version of FSMP helped me.

Ahh, another HDT issue... extra time of solving problems 

[krzp]

43 minutes ago, 1947421196 said:

I have only used FNIS and never touched Nemesis.

I could suggest Nemesis with my compatibility patch, to completely replicate my setup, but while I and a few other people was somehow able to make it work without too many hoops, i know Nemesis in general gets a bad rap here and can bring up some problems on it's own, esp. when creature stuff gets involved.

 

That said, i've been using it for almost a year, and I'm not switching back to FNIS unless someone pays me, I'm not giving up my Precision, TK dodge RE and TDM leaning  ?

But I'll try how the combat works with FNIS on my install, and we'll see if that's a common problem.

 

43 minutes ago, 1947421196 said:

solved NPC turning problem. At least one thing done, hurray!

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Edited May 19, 2023 by krzzp

[brdc]

6 minutes ago, krzzp said:

I could suggest Nemesis with my compatibility patch, to completely replicate my setup, but while I and a few other people was somehow able to make it work without too many hoops, i know Nemesis in general gets a bad rap here and can bring up some problems on it's own, esp. when creature stuff gets involved.

 

That said, i've been using it for almost a year, and I'm not switch back to FNIS unless someone pays me, I'm not giving up my Precision, TK dodge RE and TDM leaning  ?

But I'll try how the combat works with FNIS on my install, and we'll see if that's a common problem.

Although I do use some mods like TK dodge, Ultimate combat, I'm not very care about fighting animations as a sneak-bow and usually-bondaged PC. ? 

I've been playing Skyrim for hundreds of hours and spent even more time on mod files, FNIS, MO, things like that. 

Plus, DD is 80% reason why I play Skyrim, so I feel very unsure and tiresome using Nemesis which is not yet officially supported by DD team. This DD-DAR thing is annoying me enough. Nemesis? No, thanks. At least for now.?

 

[zarantha]

9 hours ago, 1947421196 said:

 

Speaking of old patches, I do use some DCL patches and voice packs for old version, could anything go wrong?

 

 

 

DCL hasn't been updated in a while, so if those are for v9.0, they're still current. They should only be overwriting DCL and nothing from DD.

 

The DD 5.1 voice may be a problem. I would look at what is conflicting there, or simply do tests without it enabled until you resolve the problem.

If it's a bsa with only voice files and it does not overwrite any scripts, or change anything in the ESMs/ESPs, then it's ok. Some things might have changed so the voice doesn't match the subtitles.

[krzp]

On 5/19/2023 at 3:29 PM, 1947421196 said:

Although I do use some mods like TK dodge, Ultimate combat, I'm not very care about fighting animations as a sneak-bow and usually-bondaged PC. ? 

I've been playing Skyrim for hundreds of hours and spent even more time on mod files, FNIS, MO, things like that. 

Plus, DD is 80% reason why I play Skyrim, so I feel very unsure and tiresome using Nemesis which is not yet officially supported by DD team. This DD-DAR thing is annoying me enough. Nemesis? No, thanks. At least for now.?

So, I've turned off all my mods except the old FNIS + DD and DCL to replicate your load order somehow, created a separate profile for the FNIS test, and started a new game there - and yes, I've got the same problem with the combat movement. Apparently, Nemesis works better in that regard ?

 

The show animation command kindly displayed the /DD/abc1_h2h_locomotion, which mean that FNIS overrode Dar and pulled the incorrect animation from somewhere (which is strange, because I've deleted everything movement-related from the fnis.txt files). This could mean that I've screwed up in the /meshes/behaviour files somewhere, or there is some script calling for that, I'm going to check for that later.

 

I've tried a quick fix for that. What I've done, is I've renamed the remaining FNIS animations (if it insists on using those for whatever reason) without the +1 increments, and this could fix the combat movement mismatch for everything, except the elbow ties (they don't have the locomotion pose). Let this archive overwrite the DD install (keep it lower) - naturally, do keep a backup handy in case this breaks more things than it fixes. ?

 

edit: please note that I intend to to actually try to properly fix the combat, so this is more of an experimental stop-gap measure for the time being.

edit2: please check out the updated conversion 1.1, hopefully this patch won't be needed

 

 

Edited June 21, 2023 by krzp

[NicholasJMoore]

Is there a way to get “open” locked chastity belts, that “allow long term wearing”, to disallow vaginal but allow anal?

 

Or is it already in there and my mod order is probably broken?

[brdc]

7 hours ago, zarantha said:

DCL hasn't been updated in a while, so if those are for v9.0, they're still current. They should only be overwriting DCL and nothing from DD.

Currently there're 20 files overwriting my DD5.2. Have I messed something up here?

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7 hours ago, zarantha said:

The DD 5.1 voice may be a problem. I would look at what is conflicting there, or simply do tests without it enabled until you resolve the problem.

If it's a bsa with only voice files and it does not overwrite any scripts, or change anything in the ESMs/ESPs, then it's ok. Some things might have changed so the voice doesn't match the subtitles.

The DD 5.1 voice contains only 2 files and has no conflicts. As for mismatch, it's predictable and acceptable. So I think it's ok to stay in my load order.

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Edited May 20, 2023 by 1947421196

[zarantha]

14 minutes ago, 1947421196 said:

Currently there're 20 files overwriting my DD5.2. Have I messed something up here?

 

meshes are fine. All I care about are script overwrites. Try moving DCL and that DCL HDT and script patch above DD. or hide the /scripts/zadslavebootsscript.pex file in the DCL HDT and scripts patch. That IS an old patch that should not be overwriting DD 5.2.

 

The script overwrite in the DD 5.2 to DAR should be fine as it is for DD 5.2.

 

Usually you'd have to open the BSA to see what files it contains, but since loose files override BSAs it's  probably fine. All of DD's scripts are loose.

[brdc]

2 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

meshes are fine. All I care about are script overwrites. Try moving DCL and that DCL HDT and script patch above DD. or hide the /scripts/zadslavebootsscript.pex file in the DCL HDT and scripts patch. That IS an old patch that should not be overwriting DD 5.2.

 

The script overwrite in the DD 5.2 to DAR should be fine as it is for DD 5.2.

 

Usually you'd have to open the BSA to see what files it contains, but since loose files override BSAs it's  probably fine. All of DD's scripts are loose.

Got it and done moving. Thank you for your advice and guidance.

[Miauzi]

Vor 6 Stunden sagte NicholasJMoore:

Gibt es eine Möglichkeit, Keuschheitsgürtel mit „offenem“ Verschluss zu bekommen, die „ein langfristiges Tragen ermöglichen“, bei denen ein Vaginal-, aber ein Analverkehr nicht möglich ist?

 

Oder ist es schon drin und meine Mod-Reihenfolge ist wahrscheinlich kaputt?

 

there is - you can find it in the mod "Laura's Bondage Shop"

[brdc]

 

On 5/12/2023 at 12:18 PM, zarantha said:

That's the best you're getting with the wrist chains for now. Did you miss the part where I said that they aren't cooperating? That means they are broke. They will not connect, and hanging strait down was the best I could get. It's better than individual chain links flying around the screen. 

 

On 5/19/2023 at 11:56 AM, krzzp said:

Had the same issue in the same place, frame rate would absolutely tank whenever someone showed up wearing any chain-type stuff - I was able to fix this by either downgrading my FSMP to an older version (I've used 1.50.4), or you could replace those files from the older DD (I'm currently using beta7, iirc) - for some reason, those work fine with FSMP 2.0.2.

 

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Of the nine devices shown in the spoiler, I found out that in my case, only the cuffs were problematic. Ball&chains/collarchains/prisonerchain were good. So I didn't replace them.

 

15 hours ago, krzzp said:

If those are the HDT ones, I've had a similar problem, older files from the DD beta's, or an older version of FSMP helped me.

 

By using older file from DD 5.2 Beta 10 RC1, the Iron handcuffs low FPS issue and Iron chain harness(Wrists) don't connect issue are dealt with. 

FYI, I'm still using HDT-SMP 2.11 and haven't touched FSMP. I guess different version of HDT chains perform differently between different SMP/FSMP version. So I'm not sure if this way could be others' solution. At least giving some hint, I hope

One more problem fixed. Again, thank you guys for helping out.

 

[brdc]

When I was testing Iron chain harness(Wrists), I noticed the mittens are really annoying. Even with hardcore mitten turned off.

I tried wrists chain harness and bondage mitten, both have the problem below.

• Manipulating the locks will result in not being able to unlock them directly after putting on. This didn't happen on DD 5.1, from what I remember.
• Using a key to unlock them, it will determind the mitten successful chance FIRSTLY, then the device unlock successful chance/don't have proper key message. In which case it goes like:
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  Success! Yeah!

   

  And then 

  

   

  Or

  

   

Wish they can be adjusted.

[Elsidia]

22 hours ago, 1947421196 said:

FYI, I'm still using HDT-SMP 2.11 and haven't touched FSMP.

FYI faster HDT fixes my problems with freezing in Dawnstar, you just need install right version of FHDT for your GPU. Mine is RTX3070. Also it solves all CTD problems. My Skyrim now is stable as freezing Hell.

[Aycelist]

how do i make an item from another mod unstrippable by other mods (like babodialogue) using this mod? do i just have to add certain keywords from devious devices? if so, which ones? (assuming DDi)?

[EpicGamerGame]

Hey everyone, getting a weird error. I've tried reinstalling but I'm not really sure what's causing this:
 

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A fatal error has occurred with your installation of Devious Devices. Incomplete uninstall attempt perhaps? Aborting update chain.

 

 

Here is my load order if that helps:
 

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  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm
254 FE   0 ccbgssse010-petdwarvenarmoredmudcrab.esl
254 FE   1 ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl
254 FE   2 ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl
254 FE   3 ccedhsse001-norjewel.esl
254 FE   4 ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl
  6  6     ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm
  7  7     Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
  8  8     SexLab.esm
  9  9     Devious Devices - Assets.esm
 10  a     SexLabAroused.esm
 11  b     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
 12  c     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
 13  d     Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm
 14  e     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
 15  f     daymoyl.esm
 16 10     SkyUI_SE.esp
254 FE   5 Devious Devices SE patch.esp
 17 11     Joy of Perspective.esp
 18 12     RaceMenuHH.esp
 19 13     sanguinesDebauchery.esp
 20 14     Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
 21 15     SimpleSlavery.esp
 22 16     SexLab_Dialogues.esp
 23 17     KS Hairdo's.esp
254 FE   6 CBBE.esp
 24 18     RaceMenu.esp
 25 19     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 26 1a     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
 27 1b     SOSRaceMenu.esp
 28 1c     XPMSE.esp
 29 1d     FNISspells.esp
 30 1e     Better Vampires.esp
 31 1f     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
 32 20     Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp

 

 

 

Anyone know any fixes? Any help is appreciated, thanks.

[Ngo Van Dang]

currently I am having issue with armbinder clipping, 3BA body, my custom bodyslide
any idea for this?

[dan_5858]

Are there any sandbox/freeplay mods where I'm able to try out all of the devious devices, especially the furniture?

[Gruw]

ZaZ has testrooms full of furniture devices

and for the rest there are mods such as QUI for SE: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/65343?tab=description

or Lauras shop for all versions (thou you have to buy them, or let her lock you up in some to get them): 

 

[brdc]

On 5/21/2023 at 4:51 PM, Elsidia said:

FYI faster HDT fixes my problems with freezing in Dawnstar, you just need install right version of FHDT for your GPU. Mine is RTX3070. Also it solves all CTD problems. My Skyrim now is stable as freezing Hell.

Thanks for advice. I'll definitely try it. I'm just too busy dealing with problems since I updated to DD 5.2 to lay my hand on FHDT. 

[Icanlookatstuff]

Just started getting back into modding skyrim again. Installed Devious Devices with no issue. Trying to install other Devious mods give me notifications stating that some plugins dependencies were not enabled. The devious devices assets.esm, expansion.esm and integration.esm. How do I go about getting these enabled?

[krzp]

5 hours ago, dan_5858 said:

Are there any sandbox/freeplay mods where I'm able to try out all of the devious devices, especially the furniture?

run a console command "coc ddctestzone"

Edited May 22, 2023 by krzp