HGEC lowerbody Gape project.

[fejeena]

King kongs bodies are moving meshes, the movements are in the mesh, they are constantly moving, you don't need a special skeleton. (only the Op bones for the upper body, the BBB tits movement)

 

And for sex: In Oblivion it is not possible to have a animated pussy like in Skyrim.  A open pussy lowerbody is completely sufficient.

If you want a "moving" pussy during sex you can add the Bip01 R VaginaLips and Bip01 L VaginaLips of the LAPF skeleton to the pussy of the lowerbody....

But the movement when the penis penetrates the pussy you have to add to the sex animations ( to the kf files)

LAPF has about 160 sex animations  and if you fill the empty animation numbers to avoid error messages in game you have 200 animations.

Maybe 40 oral animations don't need pussy movement so you still have 160 animations, You must "only" add the pussy movement to the female/Def Kf files, 4 stages each sex animation = 4 kf files x 160  = 640kf files you have to rework and add the pussy movement.... And then the creatures animation about 100, also 4 stages/kf per animation.

 

About 1000 kf files....work for some years.

So a open pussy lowerbody without added pussy bones is just fine.

And your lowerbody looks really good.

 

Which HGEC lowerbody you will do?  S, M, L or LL ?  Or all?  ( or all 82 HGEC lowerbodies that are in Set Body reloaded? )

 

 

 

[TheRealMissAmber]

Okay like the tenticle thingies do in monster girl. Morphs. Okay

 

Ps. That Adera tattoo reworked texture I  mentioned.

 

Please forgive the very red, very inflamed possibly infected left breast.

 

Different project lol

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[TheRealMissAmber]

@fejeena you are 1000% right. I absolutely will not do an animated vagina and there is no way in hell, heaven or earth that I will edit 1000+ LAPF files.

 

Thank you for your opinion on my mesh.

 

I was thinking about doing all of them with the exception of the Loli bodies because I just can't bring myself to do that.

 

Now if somebody wants to take my work and do it themselves there's nothing I can do about that but I will not be advocating or be associated with it.

 

What I would like is for someone to take the Gape I made and make the vagina the proper size.

 

The idea of this confuses me a bit.

 

I know each race has their own specific scale and the penis changes size to fit the races scale so in not sure what the average size is.

 

I know loves used Setscale  but I'm not sure to what degree that would apply.

 

Maybe I'm over thinking it. Would it be possible to just load the standard erect penis nif into blender and make changes to the vagina based on that?

 

Would it be uniform once sex starts in game after the setscale is initiated?

 

I don't want to end up with a (hot dog in a hallway) situation and at the same time I don't want the labia to be clipping with the penis too bad.

 

That's where I'm having a little trouble right now.

 

I need to get the vagina(s) sized to the penis before is start adding it to all the other aforementioned HGEC bodies.

[fejeena]

To get the best result during sex the scale of both sex partners should be 1 ( both race Imperial. Or use LoversSetScale, that Mods set both actors during sex to scale 1 )

If the actors have different scales the animations are not perfect, penis in wrong position.

 

So for your body: the gape should be for scale 1 of a LAPF male lowerbody penis....

But during sex, when the penis is in the female body, you don't see the gape. And If you wear clothes/armor you don't see the gape-lowerbody after sex.

All the work for a lowerbody during sex...but you don't see the gape ?

I think most people want to use the open pussy lowerbody as body replacer. So you always see the gape when you are naked. ( And if you use a very skimpy armor-clothes replacer you can replace the lowerbodies with your open-pussy version ).  And for a body replacer I would make the gape smaller, tighter as the penis. After sex the pussy contracts.

The gape I see in your screenshots looks perfect. Like a pussy after some hours gangbang

 

And maybe also a anal gape (but not as open as in these mods. I say it again, during sex you almost do not see the gape when the penis is in the female body, so it should look like a gape after sex, the asshole has contracted, only a small gape. )

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/20838-anal-gape/

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/469-dmra-anal-gape/

 

 or detailed anus

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2787-anatomic-anomolies/

 

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So I prefer a "body replacer lower body" with small gape ( after sex gape) . Best pussy and ass.

A lower body with big gape during sex ( that you almost do not see) is a waste of you time.  My opinion.

 

 

[TheRealMissAmber]

@fejeena some times you do see in though. Off the top of my head I can think of a few animations in Lovers bitch actually. If you even use a Gape nif for that.

 

If it's for during sex or not I want it to look decent. Like this being the desired effect.

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[TheRealMissAmber]

Yep and that just happened... FML okay THIS is the desired effect. The green is what needs to happen the blue is the space I have to play with. Keep in mind that penis mesh is only 1/3 the size of scale 1.0 I just did this to show what I want the end result to look like

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[TheRealMissAmber]

Here even better

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This is what I want

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This is what i don't want

 

I do realize the irony of what I just said. Lmao

[TheRealMissAmber]

Wow okay I'm going there!

 

My issue with an anal Gape is that in order to see it you have to mess with the stock HGEC mesh too much and what happens is the inner butt cheeks in that area are concaved and it looks weird..

 

If I were to do it I would just extrude the vertices of the anal region inwards and try not to mess with the butt vertices at all and that would leave you with sort of a (key hole) view of the rectal Gape. So I would have to come up with the right ratio. That would take time not to mention that's a cross section of texture seams.

 

That would be a test of my skill.

 

Maybe we could do an integration of the 2 (vag)+(anal) Gape if the other is HGEC. I'm pretty sure MG has an anal Gape mesh I have seen. Dunno yet. 

[TheRealMissAmber]

https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/469-dmra-anal-gape/

 

So being a woman.. And looking at this I have a problem.

 

First I will start by saying it is good work

 

But her butt hole is where her vag should be.

 

I mean really take a look.

 

How that mesh system works is awesomeness though

[TheRealMissAmber]

Okay so I took the mesh in game for the first time. I spend more time e working on nods than playing the actual game. That's funny.

 

Anyways I noticed 3 problems

#1 normals need to be inside of the vagina.

 

2# the cum shot overlay is of the stock HGEC  so it looks like 2 cum soaked ghost lips over the Gape.

Same with menstruation overlay.

 

3# homegirl is tighter that a Gatorade lid! I need to make her deeper and wider by ALOT.

 

Course of action:

bake normals for the inner vagina UV can be added to the HGEC textures.

 

Duplicate the standard creampie area (giggle) and include the new gape into it, export that only and add the cream pie texture. Not sure what to do with it after that.

 

Add depth and width to the vagina.

 

I can make my mesh as flawlessly as I want. There will still be clipping and jitter during sex. That's just how it is. But when I get it to a satisfactory level I can continue with doing this for the other HGEC bodies.

 

I'm hoping for this to be a full replacer for the old Gape because that thing has missing faces and exposed seams. That thing has been around for years!

 

This is so much fun. 

And a turn on at times (;

[TDA]

11 hours ago, TheRealMissAmber said:

Okay this looks great. This is an HGEC texture 2048x2048 from the MonsterGirl Block Head Edition.

 

I am just simply in love with it. I reworked the tattoos in my own version for a personal NPC.

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It looks nice, but Although I understand that this is just studying anatomy ... Probably, it was necessary to start with a new skeleton.

[fejeena]

Are there any sex animations without clipping?

During doggy and cow-girl there is always a little body in body and or leg clipping.

And the Hand in tits clipping. Most animations are made for H cup or DM tits. But a few are made for E cup. So you often see hand in body.

 

And clipping with penis in vagina.... That's like the LAPF blowjob animations ( and some other sex animations), you must add animations to the sex animations. The animated penis.

Like the penis bent inside the head you must bent the penis in the vagina.... change about 1000kf files.

 

So let it clip.   !!! Free clipping for all bodies !!!

 

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Ass gape: Yes there it is not enough space to add the gape without change the buttocks. And also two gapes will not fit.

 

  Yes, many creators never seem to have seen a female body in real.  The positions of clit, pussy and asshole are often very...funny. But Oblivion is a fantasy game! LOL

Also all the silicone, porn tits.

 

[DogOnPorch]

I had to change the material from 'skin' to something else...but awesome.

[TheRealMissAmber]

5 hours ago, fejeena said:

Are there any sex animations without clipping?

During doggy and cow-girl there is always a little body in body and or leg clipping.

And the Hand in tits clipping. Most animations are made for H cup or DM tits. But a few are made for E cup. So you often see hand in body.

 

And clipping with penis in vagina.... That's like the LAPF blowjob animations ( and some other sex animations), you must add animations to the sex animations. The animated penis.

Like the penis bent inside the head you must bent the penis in the vagina.... change about 1000kf files.

 

So let it clip.   !!! Free clipping for all bodies !!!

 

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Ass gape: Yes there it is not enough space to add the gape without change the buttocks. And also two gapes will not fit.

 

  Yes, many creators never seem to have seen a female body in real.  The positions of clit, pussy and asshole are often very...funny. But Oblivion is a fantasy game! LOL

Also all the silicone, porn tits.

 

I actually laughed at this. Too funny.

 

Okay on the topic of a rectal Gape I can do it with a reallocation of mesh seams in thar region but leave the UV untouched.

 

It would be harder when it comes to adding it to new bodies. We're talking the difference S lower body to DMRA LOWER BODY..

 

That's one reason I am on the fence about it.

 

I don't know if I am the only one has/had plans on doing this for most of the bodies..

 

I have only seen gapes for 

DMRA

Manga

and One other

 

But it should be epic

 

I have spent a lot of time "down there" and seen quite a few. My main issue with mine is the gap between the pee hole and clitty

 

It's way to long. Like I get why it's like that. Men want to see the clit. Can't blame men for being men.

 

I'm going to leave it that way though because that too many verts to relocate. And I don't want to mess with the outer lania and pubis if I don't absolutely have to.

 

@dogonporch thank you the normal HGEC material was there I just added a texture to the material.

 

Sorry about the material. I try to leave it untouched to it renders odd in game.

[DogOnPorch]

11 minutes ago, TheRealMissAmber said:

 

 

@dogonporch thank you the normal HGEC material was there I just added a texture to the material.

 

Sorry about the material. I try to leave it untouched to it renders odd in game.

 

Absolutely no worries. I use multiple skin textures in my install...I know my way around that end of things. When I first loaded it up...nuthin' there! Only a few things can cause that....

 

That's a nice (BIG) texture you're using. Is there a full version?

[TheRealMissAmber]

@DogOnPorch I will get to you in just a sec.

 

Okay guys here is what I have so far.

 

This is my attempt at making her wider and reducing a few verts.

 

Old is on the left new is on the right.

 

I need to know what one is more.... Acceptable.

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Honest opinions please

[TheRealMissAmber]

@DogOnPorch

 

This is the HGEC Tex pack I use. Take a look it even has its own little installer tool you can choose different nipples, vag hair and ecin if the skin is oiled.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/20022/?

 

The rest of my HGEC textures I got from monster Girl

 

edit: I simply will not use anything under 1024x1024.

 

[fejeena]

better. now the gape is round, not oval.

 

And the size... You know the LAPF futa dick is shorter and thinner than the penis.

And my own player lowerbody mesh is different ( I want a girl with balls , so I created my own body )

And the many different creatures dicks...

 

So It is not possible to create the perfect gape for all sorts of dicks. Your version looks perfect.

 

[TheRealMissAmber]

FEMINIZED WEE WEES! SO CUTE!

 

@fejeenaokay good. Does anyone here do texture work? Mine is shitty.

 

@DogOnPorch I was thinking about the issue you had with the mesh not rendering in game.

 

Normally if that happens to me the first thing I do is open that mesh in nif skope and select the material property scroll all the way down and make sure it reads like this

 

Alpha Property  1.0000

 

Normally if alpha is set to 0.0000

I won't render in game.

 

I'm not sure if that because some textures have an alpha layer in the .DDS stack or what but normally that fixes it for me.

 

Btw I keep getting this ERROR 500 when I try to log on to Lovers. I have to retry like 60 times to load the page before I have any luck getting in. That's why my responses are belated.

 

Anyways let me see what u can do about getting the open cervix Gape on par with the normal Gape then try to bake some normals.

 

My blender keeps wanting to force close when I try to bake normals lately. It's getting irritating!

 

Also while I was looking for an alternative link to Lovers I found this Feminist Femi-Nazi blog about how degrading Lovers Lab is to women.

 

You know what that is total horse shit. First of all a majority of women as in other women I know personally have rape fantasies and pee fantasies and all this other warped shit. Men are not the only ones. If you guys could only hear some of the conversation women have I honestly believe us gals are WAY more perverted.

 

Not only that but like Fejeena this is a FANTASY game.

 

Forgive my rant. I'm sorry but feminists are just bitchs who are way insecure and as a result men want nothing to do with them fucking drama!

 

I'm all for women's rights but damn!

[DogOnPorch]

Re: rendering in-game...I just needed to add a normal.

:)

 

Doh!

[TheRealMissAmber]

Phew! I have never looked a pussy so long time n my life my lord!

 

Off topic I have 2 unrelated questions.

 

I'm making a custom Lop ears elf race and it's going well but I have some concerns.

 

A. When adding eyelashes, in my case BethLash mini do I just leave it bip to head but assign it to tail slot in CSE? It has its own EGM and I think TRI files so I'm assuming I just use the tail slot?

 

 

B. I'm looking for a very specific 1handed and 2handed idle animation.

 

At one time it was called Sword on Shoulder. The player pretty much rests their blade on their shoulder

 

In the same mod there was a 2 handed animation where the player would hold the 2 handed blade down to the side with the blade pointed backwards. It's a pretty feminine stance. It gives off the impression that the blade is actually heavy.

 

If anyone finds that please share a link either here or in a PM.

 

Thank you for any answers in advance.

 

Xoxo

 

 

[TheRealMissAmber]

Okay I figured out the lashes. It should use the tongue slot in face data.

 

*long awkward pause*

I... Have never made a custom race before. I have no fucking clue how to assign custom body parts to a new race.

 

Tutorial time.

 

I did make a custom race once for my Super Saiyan Blue mod but they were just race holder NPC to pull race data from with a script. Eg

Beginscripteffectstart

Player.copyrace xxxxxxxx

Togglefirstperson 0

Player.update3d

End

 

For example but I never really had to add actual body parts. Can anyone shed some light?

 

Edit:

According to my friend Drake The Dragon at Nexus that is not even possible (all for one and one for all) when it comes to body unless using a force equip script and the body parts are made into armor or clothing.

 

IV been so curious about that for the longest time too.

 

Replace a few meshes in set body spell and I'm good.

:)

[TheRealMissAmber]

@tolerance I need your help. I read through the plat by play on the Python tools you use to make that skin instance for meh.

 

I tried clothing converter, making a lattice... I tried just about everything.

 

I can't get the SkinInstance to transfer. 

 

Something cool did happen through.

 

I made a lattice for HGEC LikeABab

And transfered that to the HGEC LL lower body. It looked very nice.

 

So I did manage to do something cool I have my own custom HGEC lower body now :)

 

Can you please give me a quick step by step just for transferring skininstance like you did?

 

Otherwise I will be asking you to make skininstance for 164 lower bodies.

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I accidentally hit the spoiler button. Sorry

 

[TheRealMissAmber]

So I have 2 folders made one for Gape one for cervix Gape and I'm starting the conversion process. I did include SPB variants.

I'm thinking about making one more.

*deep breath*

If I do it will pretty much be a full

Cervix prolapse where the male is not actually fucking her pussy LAMO. but his whole dick will be going up her uterus.

*cringe*

Either that or stretch her pee hole open and the guy will be screwing her up the pee hole...

 

I'm so on a mission to make Emily's idea of twisted seem basic.

 

I mean some of these girls are taking horse dick! Your vag would be wreked! Like. Theres no coming back from that you would think.

 

I just want to make this one big package for all intents and purposes to fit whatever kink you guys have

 

Thoughts? 

 

[tolerance]

3 hours ago, TheRealMissAmber said:

@tolerance I need your help. I read through the plat by play on the Python tools you use to make that skin instance for meh.

 

I tried clothing converter, making a lattice... I tried just about everything.

 

oh, whoops, i forgot that you had to click a link that had multiple tools, that link seems dead, ill try repacking the file and PMing it to you later if no-one knows what happened to the files

18 hours ago, TheRealMissAmber said:

Okay I figured out the lashes. It should use the tongue slot in face data.

 

*long awkward pause*

I... Have never made a custom race before. I have no fucking clue how to assign custom body parts to a new race.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/43752/?

ok, as for using blockhead to change bodytypes: say you wanted to have custom lower body for a race called alligator, you'd save a mesh in

.....\oblivion\Data\meshes\characters\BodyAssetOverrides\PerRace\f

as alligator_lowerbody.nif

 

us an "m" folder instead of an "f" folder for males

 

 

there's also an exparemental version for armor:

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/65969-mesh-extended-swap-system/ if you want to know how to use racemess: say that you add this to the ini file

 

set RaceMessIni.svRace to sv_construct "imp|Whale|Argonisaur|Asari|porcelain doll|Panda|Hue'mon Goth"
set RaceMessIni.suffix1 to sv_construct "_thicc"
set RaceMessIni.suffix2 to sv_construct "_thighs"
set RaceMessIni.suffix3 to sv_construct "_curves"
setstage RaceMessIni 10   ;End of this entry

 

... although the suffix version seems to only support 2, and i haven't used the prefix version a lot

 

here's some music to listen to...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLU0pZIqDKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zWvrgtxugc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OsETaZhBzE