Being a Cow

[skyrimfet]

21 minutes ago, Tex said:

Glad to hear it. But what about an cow that's rebellious (like mine for instance)? How does she get her transformation in check? Obviously Paul is quita amused by the current situation, and wont help.

it's very easy: now "being a cow" quest using two calculated parameters to find pauls mood:
points collected with every task (of course rebellious cow reduce this points very fast) this points are in range (-15, 15)
debt negative bonus (-4, 0)
random (-2,2)
so final range is between -21, and 17 

negative numbers = cruel
around 0 = neutral
positive numbers = friend


these quests should have a chance to be runned only when paul is pleased, so only if his calculated mood is over 0 - let's say 5 or more

[skyrimfet]

i made same trick in 1.8pre3 (soon)
as punish paul can equip on you some heretical resources items (few stages) and mod will lock this item on you and only one way to remove it is be patient and listen your master - then is a chance to get "friendly quest" just only remove one of this item.

easy to be equiped and "hard" to remove.

[Tex]

Oh, I expected more of an evil route there. Breaking free on your own kind of thing. Possibly even an murder.

[vader634]

is there gonna be a slave route paul dead you the character a slave with no one to rescure you?

[CheshiCat]

2 hours ago, skyrimfet said:

i made same trick in 1.8pre3 (soon)
as punish paul can equip on you some heretical resources items (few stages) and mod will lock this item on you and only one way to remove it is be patient and listen your master - then is a chance to get "friendly quest" just only remove one of this item.

easy to be equiped and "hard" to remove.

Can I ask you do not use heretical resources, but use the same items form DDe 4.1? Heretical resources did not updated from 2017 and do not fits to various bodies (they even do not have bodyslides). DDe 4.1 already have most items from heretical resources and has bodislides for them.

[PaddedLocks]

4 hours ago, skyrimfet said:

so... - i know two ways to reduce milk outside towns and other NPCs - MME armor and Milk addict ropes. I cant block milking in my mod I can only make armor equuiping more harder. Breast grow it is simple reminder - just warning. then is next effect - B&W - game is still playable but colorless should force player to back. I want to live it in this formula and only add next effects (finally hunting like quest). BTW im going to write it in official description: - big breast can ripe armor - this feature is provided by Milk addict - it's works together and works realy nice! I recomend this mod.

 

about slif -  maybe it is good to add options and support keywords from DD armors - like chastity bra - slif can check it and reduce breasts to 0 or 1 when chastity bra are equpied. etc?

 

Hmm that's unfortunate.

Are there really no keywords you can use in MME to flag a character as un-milkable or would that require a soft requirement of DD? If that's the case, I wonder if you could add keywords for the effects of a chastity bra onto another slot so effectively it would be invisible on the model (like adding a keyword to the bell to flag it as a chastity bra for all intents and purposes for MME). Not really trying to get you to add more requirements to the mod or anything, just confused on how that works really and which framework handles what.

I do actually like the armor rip from Milk Addict but I only wish it was functional for the size of the tits based on how big you are at 0 milk as well as scaling with milk. After a while with the natural boob size increases caused by Milk Maid levels you start to wonder how your tits can fit in a shirt at 0 milk lol... (of course the last time I tried this with Milk Addict was a few patches ago so this could have changed)

Might be interesting to mess around with SLIF and chastity bra sizing. I think DD already has an option to reduce that type of thing even though I don't normally use it so in the end it could be redundant for a user who doesn't mind breaking immersion slightly to check a box in the DD MCM menu.

Oh yes and I should say I love the mod so far and thanks for all the hard work!

[skyrimfet]

42 minutes ago, CheshiCat said:

Can I ask you do not use heretical resources, but use the same items form DDe 4.1? Heretical resources did not updated from 2017 and do not fits to various bodies (they even do not have bodyslides). DDe 4.1 already have most items from heretical resources and has bodislides for them.

no you cant-  but dot panic - all what you need is download HR bodyslide and generete models for your favorite bodyslide presset - bac not requied heretical resources as depedency;)

[skyrimfet]

24 minutes ago, PaddedLocks said:

Hmm that's unfortunate.

Are there really no keywords you can use in MME to flag a character as un-milkable or would that require a soft requirement of DD? If that's the case, I wonder if you could add keywords for the effects of a chastity bra onto another slot so effectively it would be invisible on the model (like adding a keyword to the bell to flag it as a chastity bra for all intents and purposes for MME). Not really trying to get you to add more requirements to the mod or anything, just confused on how that works really and which framework handles what.

I do actually like the armor rip from Milk Addict but I only wish it was functional for the size of the tits based on how big you are at 0 milk as well as scaling with milk. After a while with the natural boob size increases caused by Milk Maid levels you start to wonder how your tits can fit in a shirt at 0 milk lol... (of course the last time I tried this with Milk Addict was a few patches ago so this could have changed)

Might be interesting to mess around with SLIF and chastity bra sizing. I think DD already has an option to reduce that type of thing even though I don't normally use it so in the end it could be redundant for a user who doesn't mind breaking immersion slightly to check a box in the DD MCM menu.

Oh yes and I should say I love the mod so far and thanks for all the hard work!

DD doesnt support slif.  so it is useless. ( I sent msg to SLIF author with "request/idea") - i have my own bussines so i hope that next SLIF will provide this feature ... i hope;)

i dont know a way to tell MME that player is unmilkable, sorry

[skyrimfet]

1 hour ago, vader634 said:

is there gonna be a slave route paul dead you the character a slave with no one to rescure you?

im not sure - paul dead you the character a slave?

[vader634]

47 minutes ago, skyrimfet said:

im not sure - paul dead you the character a slave?

asking for the future of the mod and routes and is there gonna be a slave route and paul nor my character aint dead or slave/captured asking for the future while we are att the topic of this is there a way to force hunters to reaper even after captsured (been captured once now seeking the other quest but no hunter spawns) and killing them. Sorry if i missunderstod your question or not beeing clear enugth

[skyrimfet]

2 minutes ago, vader634 said:

asking for the future of the mod and routes and is there gonna be a slave route and paul nor my character aint dead or slave/captured asking for the future while we are att the topic of this is there a way to force hunters to reaper even after captsured (been captured once now seeking the other quest but no hunter spawns) and killing them. Sorry if i missunderstod your question or not beeing clear enugth

im working on 1.8pre3 *so please visit my profile - check my activity, you will find two posts in this topic with download link with unoficial version im not going to spoil more than in this updates now.

 

[vader634]

28 minutes ago, skyrimfet said:

im working on 1.8pre3 *so please visit my profile - check my activity, you will find two posts in this topic with download link with unoficial version im not going to spoil more than in this updates now.

 

alright thanks but how do i make the hunter start hunting care to tell or secret?

[botticelli]

6 hours ago, skyrimfet said:

i still think that something is wrong with your game. but i still dont know - what

 

just for sure

after meet with hunters and fight you back to paul and you said that you meet hunters and you want to be marked, he said no problem just sit in furniture.

after this you noticed opened door but quest marker from furniture is in middle of area?

what ZAZ do you use 8.0 or 8.0+ ?

 

this issue means that something is wrong with references? did you unpack skripts into data/scripts? did you edit dialogues with external .esp tools ? did you manipulate with mod?

Paul tells me to sit in furniture, dialogue ends, but door does not open, furniture is not created and quest marker stays on Paul. I tried it now with zaz 8.0 AND 8.0+ as well as BAC 1.7g (where it works with both zaz versions) AND 1.8pre2 (where it does not). In the image I submitted earlier with the door open, I did the opening to illustrate the furniture not being there.

[LinksSword]

15 hours ago, skyrimfet said:

i wrote long time ago that i have idea about removing cow's effects for a while - i have sketch in my head and - yes - this way of removing effects are more interessing for me i want to keep this direction. i like marc revange idea - something like in FNV in Cesar camp :3

 

back to removing effects,without spoilers

- as obey cow you will be more liked by paul and he will find something, someone who could be helpfull - optional quest with unique skill

i realy like option with arousal to control states:

let's say low arousal level will be reduce effects (masturbation, masturbation to keep human shell), high level will be turn back effect (chastity belmuuuuuu?)

would the arousal feature be optional for people who want to stay cows? im of course very willing to try out something like that, Almost akin to how in psq succubus mod you need to control your arousal to stay human.

[LinksSword]

So if the collar is what gives paul control maybe there can be a quest where you try to rebel and remove it? perhaps even someone can help you escape?

[Chroom22]

So are your hooves supposed to make noise? I've spent a good 3 hours trying to figure this out and I think DDE/DDx sound effects for hooves clothing is overriding the original game hoof sounds. Are those 2 mods incompatible? Or is there something else wrong with my file? Because I have no clue what else to do.

 

Also is there a guide on the quests? Or at least how to start them?

 

[LinksSword]

15 hours ago, Chroom22 said:

So are your hooves supposed to make noise? I've spent a good 3 hours trying to figure this out and I think DDE/DDx sound effects for hooves clothing is overriding the original game hoof sounds. Are those 2 mods incompatible? Or is there something else wrong with my file? Because I have no clue what else to do.

 

Also is there a guide on the quests? Or at least how to start them?

 

Someone else with my issue i cant get the regular hooves sound to work, I to have DDE/DDX because of cursed loot.

[vader634]

any way to see if your character is hunted by hunters and how do one start Enslaved cow - Enslaved cow

[Chroom22]

3 hours ago, LinksSword said:

Someone else with my issue i cant get the regular hooves sound to work, I to have DDE/DDX because of cursed loot.

I'm thinking that Devious Devices is just incredibly incompatible with BAC. Since I last posted I figured out how to do the quests and I'm having a hell of a time getting any of them to work without the game crashing a dozen times (not even exaggerating). So either it's a huge shame or I'm just messing something up that makes the BAC more buggy than it is. There was another post with this issue though and if you check Mod Organizer's flags tab you'll notice DDE overwrites some sound files from BAC. Particularly the hoof noises for the hoof footwear that DDE provides. Which is a problem because If I recall the hoove noises for this mod are from the vanilla sounds. Which DDE overwrites apparently.

 

Either way there's really only 3 possibilities occurring here. 1: I'm right and DD isn't compatible with BAC in many ways. 2 It is compatible except for the hoof noises and I messed up the installation. And 3. I'm just terrible at installing these mods and they're largely compatible as far as working together without crashing or conflicts. Though I doubt there couldn't any conflicts since your cow face is a whole heap of issues for face masks for Devious Devices.

 

If 1: is correct then I would love to see somebody create a compatibility patch/mod and gut or improve the aspects of this mod that make it incompatible. The content is worth the effort if enough people were interested. The forced bell and tats as well as nose ring is just screaming Devious Device integration. And since DD has simple slavery integrated with it the cow slave quests might work just fine with it. I would actually try to do it myself if I had script knowledge. Though I would definitely try to clean up the dialog in BAC to make it more coherent.

[pebbles321]

50 minutes ago, Chroom22 said:

 

 

Either way there's really only 3 possibilities occurring here. 1: I'm right and DD isn't compatible with BAC in many ways. 2 It is compatible except for the hoof noises and I messed up the installation. And 3. I'm just terrible at installing these mods and they're largely compatible as far as working together without crashing or conflicts. Though I doubt there couldn't any conflicts since your cow face is a whole heap of issues for face masks for Devious Devices.

i dont have any problems between BAC and DD, i am currently running both and dont have and issues with my sound files, if you could post your load order in a spoiler i might be able to help you and see if your crashes might be from a different mod?

 

[fred200]

Just from your description, if you want hoof noises from BAC and not from Devious Devices, make sure BAC loads after Devious Devices. Last one loaded wins.

I am talking about data files and not plugins. I would let LOOT handle that.

None of this helps with your crashing problem.

[Chroom22]

25 minutes ago, pebbles321 said:

i dont have any problems between BAC and DD, i am currently running both and dont have and issues with my sound files, if you could post your load order in a spoiler i might be able to help you and see if your crashes might be from a different mod?

 

Sure. Keep in mind I haven't had a comprehensive guide for sexlab mod load orders so I've been replying on Loot which only goes so far. I'm sure it looks like a mess to anybody more familiar with modding.

Spoiler

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Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
SexLab.esm
CreatureFramework.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
SkyrimChainBeasts.esm
daymoyl.esm
actorEvents.esm
BeeingFemale.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp
SkyUI.esp
FNIS.esp
12FemaleBrows.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
XPMSE.esp
RSChildren.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
HDT Havok Object.esp
UUNP Vanilla Outfits.esp
NonSexLabAnimationPack.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
MilkModNEW.esp
Jugs.esp
SerialStrip.esp
SerialStripper.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
MilkModNEW CF.esp
MilkModNEW HF.esp
UIExtensions.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
SlaveTats.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
GoToBed.esp
Feminine Females.esp
Change Follower Outfits Redux.esp
Captured Dreams.esp
HentaiCreatures.esp
SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
SkyrimChainBeastsDB.esp
Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
SimpleSlavery.esp
bac.esp
SexLab-Parasites.esp
S_L_U_T_S.esp
MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp
The Dungeon.esp
iNeed.esp
FNISspells.esp
autotravel.esp
dcc-dm2.esp
SLA Monitor Widget.esp
SexLabArousedAnimations.esp
zzEstrus.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
dD Enchanted Chests.esp
CD - Female Embassy Guards.esp
dvmb.esp
EstrusChaurus.esp
EstrusDwemer.esp
DD-HC-ArmorBlock.esp
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
Devious Devices - BRRF.esp
DD - BRRF_Patch - Cursed Loot.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
ccas_starts.esp
Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp

 

Sporty Sexy Sweat and CBBE are unchecked.

 

30 minutes ago, fred200 said:

Just from your description, if you want hoof noises from BAC and not from Devious Devices, make sure BAC loads after Devious Devices. Last one loaded wins.

I am talking about data files and not plugins. I would let LOOT handle that.

None of this helps with your crashing problem.

I tried that. There's no sound files in BaC. Apparently it uses the vanilla sounds. Though like I said, I'm pretty much assuming everything here.

[LinksSword]

1 hour ago, Chroom22 said:

Sure. Keep in mind I haven't had a comprehensive guide for sexlab mod load orders so I've been replying on Loot which only goes so far. I'm sure it looks like a mess to anybody more familiar with modding.

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Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
SexLab.esm
CreatureFramework.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
SkyrimChainBeasts.esm
daymoyl.esm
actorEvents.esm
BeeingFemale.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
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HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp
SkyUI.esp
FNIS.esp
12FemaleBrows.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
XPMSE.esp
RSChildren.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
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UUNP Vanilla Outfits.esp
NonSexLabAnimationPack.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
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Jugs.esp
SerialStrip.esp
SerialStripper.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
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MilkModNEW HF.esp
UIExtensions.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
SlaveTats.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
GoToBed.esp
Feminine Females.esp
Change Follower Outfits Redux.esp
Captured Dreams.esp
HentaiCreatures.esp
SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
SkyrimChainBeastsDB.esp
Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
SimpleSlavery.esp
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SexLab-Parasites.esp
S_L_U_T_S.esp
MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp
The Dungeon.esp
iNeed.esp
FNISspells.esp
autotravel.esp
dcc-dm2.esp
SLA Monitor Widget.esp
SexLabArousedAnimations.esp
zzEstrus.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
dD Enchanted Chests.esp
CD - Female Embassy Guards.esp
dvmb.esp
EstrusChaurus.esp
EstrusDwemer.esp
DD-HC-ArmorBlock.esp
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
Devious Devices - BRRF.esp
DD - BRRF_Patch - Cursed Loot.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
ccas_starts.esp
Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp

 

Sporty Sexy Sweat and CBBE are unchecked.

 

I tried that. There's no sound files in BaC. Apparently it uses the vanilla sounds. Though like I said, I'm pretty much assuming everything here.

bell and 2nd hooves work for me but no use with the 1st hooves, and other animals have hoove noises so if its vanilla sounds there shouldn't be an issue.

[Chroom22]

2 minutes ago, LinksSword said:

bell and 2nd hooves work for me but no use with the 1st hooves, and other animals have hoove noises so if its vanilla sounds there shouldn't be an issue.

I'm stumped then. I made sure BaC was later in the load order (I even put it last just to make sure) and I've even downloaded patches WITH the sound files with the same name and put them into BaC just to make sure that there wasn't any overwrite issues. Honestly though I would like to just play BaC without it crashing so often. I think this issue is different to the hoof noise one though. Might be to many animations loading or something.

[twillinator1]

special edition ?