S14787 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 55 minutes ago, Ginzored said: wooo the site is back up. I missed you people! Ok so I got more info on the fancy head lightshow issue I was having a few pages back. it looks like the feather earring on males is shifting through green, purple, blue and black while occasionally completely blinding out my screen with its brightness as a look in its general direction. would this issue require a separate fix from the one posted before as that fix pointed towards the earring with F at the end which i assume means its for the female version? images below. 5 its a ongoing fix i believe but you can turn the feathers off alternatively with the brow shape slider in racemenu/ showracemenu
MadMansGun Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Ginzored said: wooo the site is back up. I missed you people! Ok so I got more info on the fancy head lightshow issue I was having a few pages back. it looks like the feather earring on males is shifting through green, purple, blue and black while occasionally completely blinding out my screen with its brightness as a look in its general direction. would this issue require a separate fix from the one posted before as that fix pointed towards the earring with F at the end which i assume means its for the female version? images below. have you tried this mesh? https://www.loverslab.com/topic/66220-yiffy-age-of-skyrim/?do=findComment&comment=2484187
Bad Dog Posted January 5, 2019 Author Posted January 5, 2019 I think MMG's feather mesh fixed the problem. (I was fiddling also, so I'm not sure which combination of what I ended up with.) Bad Dog's compleat explanation of the grey face issue: In order to provide a good variety of NPCs, every NPC has a unique combination of chargen morphs, which warp the shape of the face, and tint layers, which change its coloring. But having to re-calculate the head shape and color for every NPC every time you go into a new area would be a big hit. So the facegen process (which you've heard me mention a bunch lately) pre-calculates the head shape and tint for every NPC. It produces a unique nif with all the head parts (hair, mouth, eyes, and earrings included) with whatever morphs you've chosen applied. It also produces a unique face tint that combines all the tints you chose. This is all it needs to put the NPC on the screen. Problem arises when the definition of the NPC's head it gets from the ESP differs from what it found in the facegen file. For example, the grey face bug upthread was because some of the Breton head definitions were using a new mouth than the facegen nifs had. When that happens the engine throws up its hands, calls you rude names, and gives you the default nifs and textures for the race. For YA this isn't even so bad--you just get grey faces. For humans it looks pretty terrible. So since I have new head parts in YA5 (even the heads have completely different vertex counts) all the NPCs in old patches are going to have gray faces.
S14787 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 thanks for the new feathers , they dont give me radiation poisoning XD
Ginzored Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 39 minutes ago, MadMansGun said: have you tried this mesh? https://www.loverslab.com/topic/66220-yiffy-age-of-skyrim/?do=findComment&comment=2484187 28 minutes ago, Bad Dog said: I think MMG's feather mesh fixed the problem. (I was fiddling also, so I'm not sure which combination of what I ended up with.) Bad Dog's compleat explanation of the grey face issue: In order to provide a good variety of NPCs, every NPC has a unique combination of chargen morphs, which warp the shape of the face, and tint layers, which change its coloring. But having to re-calculate the head shape and color for every NPC every time you go into a new area would be a big hit. So the facegen process (which you've heard me mention a bunch lately) pre-calculates the head shape and tint for every NPC. It produces a unique nif with all the head parts (hair, mouth, eyes, and earrings included) with whatever morphs you've chosen applied. It also produces a unique face tint that combines all the tints you chose. This is all it needs to put the NPC on the screen. Problem arises when the definition of the NPC's head it gets from the ESP differs from what it found in the facegen file. For example, the grey face bug upthread was because some of the Breton head definitions were using a new mouth than the facegen nifs had. When that happens the engine throws up its hands, calls you rude names, and gives you the default nifs and textures for the race. For YA this isn't even so bad--you just get grey faces. For humans it looks pretty terrible. So since I have new head parts in YA5 (even the heads have completely different vertex counts) all the NPCs in old patches are going to have gray faces. Sadly I tried the feather fix just after i posted and it did nothing for me. Also Bad Dog what do you mean Npc's from old patches? Pretty much everyone outside of khajiits or argonians have grey faces in my save. I'm about to start a new character to further test if its something recent that I've done.
FauxFurry Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 20 hours ago, MS1 said: Looks like a really nice mod! I will definitely use that on my next vampire playthrough. Always been somewhat unsatisfied with the vanilla model. Definitely recommend making that the YA model. Curious question, but what mod are you using to make the font look like that? Seems different from the standard Skyrim font. That is the Magic Cards font meant to replicate the look of Morrowind's text somewhat.
Bad Dog Posted January 5, 2019 Author Posted January 5, 2019 Nobody in standard Skyrim should have gray faces at this point. Pretty sure I fixed that in the last upload.
Ryokentaru Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Bad Dog said: So since I have new head parts in YA5 (even the heads have completely different vertex counts) all the NPCs in old patches are going to have gray faces. Okay so this part I completely get. Anyone in Bruma would surely have a grey face because the facegens were not created with the new nifs. What I don't understand is why installing the patch makes random NPC's in the vanilla game have grey faces as well. Do some of the NPCs in Bruma share facegen data with the vanilla NPC's? Sorry if I'm wasting your time, but my literal job is to fix and maintain computers all day, I can set up VM's and VLAN's half asleep but the way Skyrim does things confuses the hell out of me and sparks my morbid curiosity.
Ginzored Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Bad Dog said: Nobody in standard Skyrim should have gray faces at this point. Pretty sure I fixed that in the last upload. I've been in the process of re-downloading and installing. I figured I was using the wrong version after checking. I thought I grabbed it when you posted it but apparently not! (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ edit: after finishing the install i tried to check again and had the same issues. I do believe that means that the fault is with one of my mods. i'm rolling back to essentials only and working up from there.
Warvelton Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Woo for update and Woo for alpha. I am just having a hell of a time going to just clean install the whole thing with what little stable play i had on V5 the tale's were not attached to the skeleton? as in i would jump and the tail would be a few inches below the character or completely disconnected lol! Sorry if some one already asked this question but would me clean installing the game fix that or is it just a part of the new V5 till it gets worked on a weebit more?
Blaze69 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Warvelton said: I am just having a hell of a time going to just clean install the whole thing with what little stable play i had on V5 the tale's were not attached to the skeleton? as in i would jump and the tail would be a few inches below the character or completely disconnected lol! You need to install HDT for the tails to work. Either that, or use the patch that reverts them all to the vanilla tail system instead. HDT tails are not animated by the vanilla tail system (duh), but rather weighted to bones that are then moved around by HDT like it does with breast bones or hair bones or whatever. If you try to use HDT tails without having HDT installed, there's nothing to move the tail bones around and the mesh ends up remaining static and dettached from the standard character skeleton and movement (which is what you saw). 1
hyper15 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Ok so, last mod compatibility question I have is, does this mod work with Racemenu? I know some mods that have big overhauls like this one don't like to work with Racemenu so I was worried if this would be ok or not
Blaze69 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 39 minutes ago, hyper15 said: Ok so, last mod compatibility question I have is, does this mod work with Racemenu? I know some mods that have big overhauls like this one don't like to work with Racemenu so I was worried if this would be ok or not Huh, what? What are you talking about? Everything works with RaceMenu, except for ECE, but that's bound to happen because they both edit the exact same system and records. This mod is no exception to that.
Blaze69 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Anyhow, @Bad Dog, is the current Alpha file (5.02) supposed to be close to final? 'Cause I just gave it a quick try and I seem to be having lots of issues even though I only got to check out the races during chargen. From what I can remember, most races have very blatant neck seams (turning off ENB helps a bit but they are still pretty obvious), female Lykaios tails are straight up white instead of grey as they should (not sure if they don't pick up on skin tint or the textures don't match the body), panthers look like they are made of shiny plastic, Lykaios hairs are also shiny as hell and look fake, eyes look extremely dull like they are missing environment maps (though this could be due to me being used to the "fake glow" meshes instead), etc. I could try to get some pics of all that if need be. I could have screwed up something during install, but I doubt it; and same goes for mod conflicts as I'm using a relatively minimal load order alongside the main YA 5.0 download and there's no reason for any of the other mods to be interfering with YA.
Shadowscale Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Are the HDT tails returning as a separate download?
MadMansGun Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shadowscale said: Will the HDT tails return as a separate download I assume? the tails are in by default now, you use a patch to remove them.
Shadowscale Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 26 minutes ago, MadMansGun said: the tails are in by default now, you use a patch to remove them. Yeah. I forgot to keep the previous version when I noticed there was an update. Its why I was asking. Edit: I'm tired and an idiot. Ignore this and my previous one.
TheLastKhajiit Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 I'm using the non hdt tails patch now, and it doesn't seem to be working at all. Side note, the Selachii armor isn't showing up in the crafting menu
Blaze69 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 27 minutes ago, TheLastKhajiit said: Side note, the Selachii armor isn't showing up in the crafting menu This isn't relevant to YA, so for any other issues you may have with the mod, try to post them in the Selachii thread instead. For the record, since Bad Dog has already stated several times that he's fine with it, I'm also usually cool with going a bit off-topic here as long as it ain't too far and there isn't anything important going on (hell, I do contribute to it myself sometimes, like the handful of posts about webcomics not long ago); but now that testing on the YA 5.0 alpha is in process, we shouldn't clutter the thread with other stuff. ...that being said, and while we're at it: the Selachii armors require some vanilla perks to be craftable (and thus show up on the crafting menu). IIRC it's Steel Smithing for the ligher variants and Advanced Armors for the heavier ones. Make sure you have those perks and check the forge menu again.
TheLastKhajiit Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Maybe I phrased that wrong, I meant it's not showing up while I'm using YA5. Its there on other profiles, just not YA5
Bad Dog Posted January 5, 2019 Author Posted January 5, 2019 Works with Racemenu, what Blaze said about the tails, and a needing clean install is God telling you to switch to MO.
MadMansGun Posted January 6, 2019 Posted January 6, 2019 41 minutes ago, Bad Dog said: . random notes: you have a extra "meshes" folder inside your meshes folder. you have a extra "character" folder directly in your meshes folder. the skeleton for your skeleton seems to be in "data\meshes\issgard\actors\beastskeletons\" so maybe rename & move it. i don't think your seq file is right, they usually have the same name as the esp they are made for. and i'm wondering if this mod would be better off packed in a bsa file.
Bad Dog Posted January 6, 2019 Author Posted January 6, 2019 BSA file maybe. I've just never done that. The issgard beast skeleton folder is probably because that's where it was in the original beast skeleton mod. Will look. I really need a general cleanup. Shitload of files that aren't being used anymore.
S14787 Posted January 6, 2019 Posted January 6, 2019 bad dog you are a trooper keep it up dude , ive been lovin the new update cheers
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