WickedWhims

[chiefquis]

On 7/31/2022 at 9:25 AM, scrubster said:

i think this is working, thanks

I re installed mines the same way

[MrGrey]

All mods contain some of the game's IP. An example would be the calls in python script files and the format of the various XML files. The argument can be made that the idea behind the mod is your ip, but they will win on the basis of their IP in the mod for their game, which is their IP.

Not a lawyer, and no lawyer in his right mind would admit to being one in a casual discussion like this.

And that someone believes it is a bad business decision to protect their IP - I learned exactly the opposite from the MegaCorp company as an engineer. If you don't defend your IP, you lose the claim that it is your IP.

[Simsy McSimsface]

5 minutes ago, MrGrey said:

Okay, you want mods to not be free per EA. 

I want a thriving modding community, where it worths it for modders to maintain, update and expand their creations. If they want to be compensated for it, let it be; and I, as a customer can vote with my wallet on who I do wanna buy from. This commie mentality that EA is now pandering to (which found fertile grounds to none of my surprise). This will only lead us to the desolate land, where the most talented modders might just fuck off and get a corpo job instead of making my favorite game better, and we're left with third rate recolors.

Seriously, I will never understand, why people can't just walk away from a product if they can't afford it or not willing to pay for it? Nobody is forcing anybody to pay for anything. It's all up to the individual.

 

15 minutes ago, MrGrey said:

It says mods must be Distributed free of charge. You say it doesn't. Good luck with that.

Again, you keep quoting the same blog post. I ask again, why EA haven't updated any relevant legal documents with this new information?

My phone company texts me every time they change a letter in their TOS, but all a multi billion company can do is a news post on their site? Why?

 

11 minutes ago, SticksStackStuck said:

Source is the Pixelade vide linked further up. It seems the cease and desist letters may have been bogus, but the tightening of the rules are real enough.

Sorry, but this seems like a pandering rumor channel.

[Too_Funky1987]

EA Suck!! overpriced expansion packs, long waits for content, bullying of the mod makers and lots of other nasty stuff - sure, I have never had my teens ''woohoo'' with adults but what's wrong with other teens??? It's part of life-- Teens unfortunately, have sex, teens get drunk and high and teens do other silly shit like joyriding! teens are not angels!!!

Edited August 1, 2022 by Too_Funky1987

[MrGrey]

What EA wants is to make money. In that mods help them to do that they like mods. If mods give them legal exposure or lose money then they don't like mods so much. Thus, EA will try and control what mods are out there to make them money. What the mod makers do is up to them.

 

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We reserve the right to address any inappropriate Mods, including Mods that infringe the intellectual property or privacy rights of others, contain obscene, objectionable, or harmful content, jeopardize the integrity of The Sims 4 gameplay, or otherwise violate the EA User Agreement.

If EA judges a mod obscene or objectionable (i.e. get them in trouble where they can't sell the game) then they claim the right to "address inappropriate mods". Since all mods contain EA IP be it a mesh, XML or Python file that makes calls to their code and the mod could cause them damages in lost sales or lawsuits, they can sue.

 

[wild_guy]

18 minutes ago, The Masked Moddess said:

This will only lead us to the desolate land, where the most talented modders might just fuck off and get a corpo job instead of making my favorite game better, and we're left with third rate recolors.

I can confirm this is true.

[DarthKahn]

If EA gets too crazy with all of this and does not just fix what they broke and quietly move on to other projects I will just delete the Sims and wave goodby to EA.

 

The Sims and EA are just a want not a need. Can always move on and try out modding Skyrim.

[MrGrey]

46 minutes ago, The Masked Moddess said:

Again, you keep quoting the same blog post. I ask again, why EA haven't updated any relevant legal documents with this new information?

From the EULA: "EA may, in its sole discretion, remove, edit or disable UGC for any reason,"

That means, any reason. And they list possible reasons in their policy statement that you call a blog post.

[Despairing Poet]

20 minutes ago, wild_guy said:

I can confirm this is true.

I'm not a modder, but this is true. I've seen far too much talent go to waste because the arguing over this and that- picking points they like vs points they don't create rumor and chaos where there shouldn't be.
And modders work hard to bring us their content. They do. I can tell some aren't even being compensated at all well enough for their creations. I loved your work Wild_guy btw.

...and the more that we talk about it (including me and this post unfortunately)- brings us closer to making the next vlogger on youtube (I really dislike pixlade's gossipy channel)... to keep up this chatter about things they aren't privy to in the first place. 

I want us all (even me)- to stfu and just try to help those in this forum who are having issues even keeping their sims in the game at all and let the modders sort through what is and isn't true about what EA says or does, and hopefully, we will hear real 'news' about it from either EA or the Mod creators themselves about what is to come.

It does no one any good to continue along this course. Especially if like and enjoy the content that Modders provide to a mediocre game that makes it much more playable and fun for the user base.

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This is the last post on the topic from me. I will try to focus on helping others fix in game issues if I can. (Which I probably can't because I suck at computer/tech stuff...) 

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

3 minutes ago, MrGrey said:

From the EULA: "EA may, in its sole discretion, remove, edit or disable UGC for any reason,"

That means, any reason. And they list possible reasons in their policy statement that you call a blog post.

I like how feE A "sells us" (more like rents) a product and then turns around and threatens to disable content that was created for it simply because it's offensive to them or other players.

 

Don't they realize that kind of behavior just encourages more and more people to "actually own" their stuff through "alternative means"?...

[Teddy8627]

@The Masked Moddess

 

...You do know EA completely owns the ".package" file right? And while EA does not own Patreon anything sold on there relating to EA is owned by the company. The logo, the sims games which mods and cc is needed for to actually work, and the literal files 100% of modders use. So please, instead of huffing and puffing and spreading what you think is the truth to anyone who will listen, actually consider your words might get someone into serious legal trouble. 

 

Already some modders think they can "fight" a losing battle when they built there castles on sand. 

 

If EA at any point say no more mods (Which, lmao, will never happen), it won't be mission impossible. ?

[MrGrey]

8 minutes ago, The Masked Moddess said:

Why can't you quote the whole thing?

 

"EA may, in its sole discretion, remove, edit or disable UGC for any reason, including if EA reasonably determines that UGC violates this Agreement. EA does not assume any responsibility or liability for UGC, for removing it, or not removing it or other Content. EA does not pre-screen all UGC and does not endorse or approve any UGC available on EA Services."

 

So again, that part of the TOS is about UGC posted on relevant EA services. Aka in the Sims' case, The Gallery. So for example, they might/can remove a sim that is based on a copyrighted character you don't have the rights for. They're just covering their asses.

I seriously don't understand what is so hard to understand about the part that, the TOS is about that, and not third about party websites.

 

But I will leave this conversation here, as we reached a moot point long time ago, and now just running around in circles.

Also got very off topic as well. And for that I apologize from my fellow forum members.

It's in the next paragraph, so different subject. You'll have to ask Judge Judy I guess. I read that as a CYA incase someone uploads something to their services that they could be sued for.

 

But even if you're right, EA could just ban third party websites from having any trace of it's IP. So, you could upload anything you want as long as it doesn't say The Sims™, have a mesh from the sims, have their XML format, use their package format, use links to their code...

 

And don't forget that EA can shut off mods entirely, and do after an update. It wouldn't be too hard at all for them to shut off certain mods they don't want in their game because of some restrictions in some foreign market.

Edited August 1, 2022 by MrGrey

[alexbrightest]

I've been getting A LOT of Last Exception from MCCC about WW.

 

Plus! For example, when one of my teen sims have sex, the sex action will stop at some point or the other, for no reason. The sex progression doesn't finish. Then, I have to make them start to have sex again. Is this happening to anyone else, too? It's really f*cking annoying, urgh. 

[SticksStackStuck]

Some of you seems to forget that mods work because EA has put in provisions for modders to make content. If EA for some reason or other want a mod gone, they can change some of those assets and the mod ceases to work. If the changes wreaks a whole lot of other mods and creates a protest storm, all EA needs to say is 'iTs FOr teH KiDDy ProN' and they'll be praised for their action by everyone, whether the kiddy-bit is true or not. They don't need to drag anyone in front of a court to stop modders.

 

As MrGrey mentioned, EA is in this to earn money. If a mod is perceived to help create revenue for the company, they'll let it slide. If the mod is either eating some of EAs cake, or (relevant here) might dent their reputation, they will take action. It is EAs game, no matter how much we howl or threaten legal action EA still holds all the cards here. Mods like WW rests on 'security by obscurity'. EA is fine with WW attracting paying customers as long as they don't get any flack, and we're fine as long as EA looks the other way.

Edited August 1, 2022 by SticksStackStuck

[MrGrey]

5 minutes ago, alexbrightest said:

I've been getting A LOT of Last Exception from MCCC about WW.

 

Plus! For example, when one of my teen sims have sex, the sex action will stop at some point or the other, for no reason. The sex progression doesn't finish. Then, I have to make them start to have sex again. Is this happening to anyone else, too? It's really f*cking annoying, urgh. 

Yes. I've seen the same thing. I moved MCCC out of my mod folder because it seems to be throwing a lot of errors, which doesn't bother me as much as I suspect (but don't know) that it won't let me sign up for anything after school because I used MCCC to make high school optional.

I've also seen the short sex thing.  Not sure if it was in the animation's XML file or in the settings or a real honest to goodness glitch. I'm gonna go with I screwed up somehow, or some other mod

[SticksStackStuck]

2 hours ago, Ortikan said:

EA cancel culture in effect

 

I think it has more to do with the current game pack having a theme that can make WW a problem, I don't think it is EA suddenly developing some sort of social conscience. No-one, absolutely no one, will benefit from WW being accused of peddling paedophilia, whether the charges are true or not.

 

 

2 hours ago, Ortikan said:

 

This is more along the lines of an over-zealous warning shot.

 

You are probably right about that. I expect this to blow over in a month or two.

[SophieModan]

Isn't taking EAs' intellectual property and then charging a fee for it (be it "exclusive" or "eternally early access") basically theft/plagiarism?! Some CC creators are throwing a tantrum over the fact they're gonna have to get a real job now?!

[SysGhost]

4 hours ago, jyotai said:

 

It's still relevant though. Controlling law where EA is incorporated and HQ'd, and has enough business contacts will control what policies they set.

 

The same is true for a given mod author. If Turbo is in the USA vs if Turbo is in Canada (where the age of consent is 14) that set differences.

 

In the USA, it's only a legal violation if real people are involved. In some countries digital art representing people can be a violation - but that is NOT relevant here because EA is in the USA.

 

The general norm in International law is that the law of choice will be based on where the key parties are domiciled. For criminal matters that is similar though you can change your risk by traveling somewhere. This can sometimes lead to rare situations where a US court decides a matter using US procedural law (rules on evidence, objections, juries, etc), but using the substance law of another country (what is a crime, sentence, etc).

 

 

But the key thing here is that US law is what matters here unless Turbo is not in the US. If Turbo is not in the US, then BOTH US and wherever Turbo is matter - and it's complicated figuring out which controls.

 

 

Oh don't get me wrong, I understand it is relevant to a certain degree. Also I think it's important to know for not only Turbo/EA, but also for users what can and cannot land them in legal hot waters.

I was just getting a little tired of people constantly refering to a law of their specific living area, while it can't (to my understanding) be applied to the whole comunity.

So my appologies if I implied it is completely unrelevant, thats not the case. Was just hoping to tone the "My law says this, but my law says this" discussion that was forming.

[luceze]

1 hour ago, wild_guy said:

I can confirm this is true.

To be fair, if a modder can get such opportunities, good for them, i don't see why it would be a bad thing x)
If skyrim modding community tough me something, is that there will always be a new generation of modders eagger to put their skills on the line (like with ostim)

[sushi]

22 hours ago, SoCalExile said:

Shots fired (in good fun):

Hitler finds out EA likes Teens (Parody)

The part where she says, "It's okay, Nisa.  People still want sex demons." had me rolling.

[Oven-toasted-owl]

Settings won't save after a sex encounter I have to keep re-importing WW saved settings each game, and any progress I make to my house won't save either

[sushi]

21 hours ago, merkle said:

Update:  I figured it out.  It has to do with the new gender preference (that you access in CAS).  This poor confused woman was attracted to men but wanted to have sex with women.  You can ask Sims about their preferences, but there's nowhere I've found that you can then find them short of CAS.

Hmm, last night one sim asked the other sim their preferences.  It showed up at the top of their Sim Profile afterwards.

[Oven-toasted-owl]

7 hours ago, Account 1 said:

Is WW going to get a fix for the broken saves and settings issue?

nah we're gonna keep talking about legal issues etc

[sushi]

20 hours ago, Tyrber said:

Guys, someone had this glitch in cas?

 

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I have not downloaded mods to change the fullness and musculature.

 

This is the funniest thing I've seen today.

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

1,000th page HERE WE GOOOOOO!...

 

EDIT: Aww.. nope...

Edited August 1, 2022 by Z0mBieP00Nani