WickedWhims

[Petr54]

4 minutes ago, SysGhost said:

So going to the part of law. Yes, in most parts of the world you will get into trouble for images containing minors in sexual act. But I posted about this yesterday or so. Most laws say that a minor has to be clearly depicted. And every way you turn it, teens in TS4 look like adults (I think this might be on purpose by EA). Seeing as they look like adults, telling wich sim is minor and not is diffucult (excluding toddlers and children), also because no definitive age is given.

So yea, with no confirmed age and the adult look, it's very reasonable to asume teens in this game are 17/18/19 (wich in most places is legal).

Even the puberty stuff is not saying much, since in the school sims go to prom and do all kind of senior (I believe thats the one, im not from the US) activities, showing that they are about to be graduates, wich again puts them in the 17/18/19 range.

Moral of the story: law should not be a problem here, and both EA and TD should not realy be worried

You focused your attention on a minor detail in my post. The legal side was touched by me in passing. I may not have even mentioned it, as I didn't think it would detract from the main point of my post. EA and Turbo don't have to fear legal action, that's true. 

The main thing is different, EA is the one who imposed these restrictions, EA is the one who demands changes in mods as the owner of WW. Let's not parse exactly what EA was guided by in making its demands. My guess is:

26 minutes ago, Petr54 said:

The school content of the High School supplement and sex between teens, much less with teachers instead of lessons, do not fit together at all. 

In any case, Turbo is obligated to comply with all EA requirements. He did, but in the process gave a tool to circumvent those restrictions. That was the main point of my post as well.

All user accusations against Turbo should be dismissed as baseless. And just continue to enjoy the mod using his tools to circumvent EA restrictions.

[LavenderCat]

4 hours ago, Atomhv said:

It's nothing like teen. But the title of rough toy sex: ( Honey Select 2 ) This is a horrible rough little girl picture.

 

EA, ask me what is the image difference? Honey Select 2 and Sim 4 character body image.

7-year-old chilgirl from a 30-year-old boy 3d. He already had sex. Why isn't EA breaking the law???

Then ask me if it's bad????

Sim 4 no chilgirl sex. Repeat ask EA law what the.

https://db.bepis.moe/aishoujo?tag=loli

Could you clarify what you are saying here?
 

[SoCalExile]

15 minutes ago, Petr54 said:

In any case, Turbo is obligated to comply with all EA requirements. He did, but in the process gave a tool to circumvent those restrictions. That was the main point of my post as well.

All user accusations against Turbo should be dismissed as baseless. And just continue to enjoy the mod using his tools to circumvent EA restrictions.

 

At this point it's just hilarious. None of circumventing is actually needed since 1) it's a fucking game and not real and 2) it adds all sorts of implications that just aren't there in the base game. 

[Atomhv]

8 minutes ago, LavenderCat said:

Could you clarify what you are saying here?
 

I just wanted my opinion. I looked it up, but a Japanese toy sex is gross, like Sims 4 teen body and face, that's for sure. But EA doesn't know what it's seeing, or it hasn't been paying attention. I'm just stating your opinion, but the law doesn't work.

I think this is the reason for sim 5 immediately, including walt disney's body and face.
Walt Disney is a strictly legal teen and not child sex. This is because there will be a new sim 5 episode.

I do not recommend Walt Disney's skin and body.

I recommend anime and manga for face and body. Sim 5 pieces.

But that's stupid, I just wrote a worthwhile opinion, which sim4 or Japanese sex is worse?

This is a rough assessment. Just an opinion. Is public opinion here, or do you not care?

 

I'm not smart, I just researched and noticed that Japanese sex and hentai sex games are rougher. It's strange that in China there is no I don't care (play sex illusion) law. Something just interesting. that's it.

 

[wild_guy]

33 minutes ago, AshBoogie89 said:

even with the unlock you still can't do these interactions at school or the auditorium

Really? I can't even with unlock??? 
I didn't update my game yet so I can't try, but FUCK, if it's true, we need an unloker for these venues! I was really hoping to play sex stories at school! Why else do I need this DLC?? For learning lessons?
I can't fucking understand what the hell is going on around these teens at all? And why should anyone tell me how to play my game? If I want them to have sex, they must be able to have sex, if I want that at school, they must be able to do that there as well, and with teachers and doesn't mater with whom. In the end this is what this mod was initially intended for, to give our sims unlimited sex life. This is what I always loved it for and I don't want it to become limited more and more little by little!
First children showering, now teens at school... I hate all these shitty limitations, censors and so on, it's a game in the end, just a fucking game!

Sorry for emotions but this puritanical shit pisses me off!

[Gambit]

23 minutes ago, Petr54 said:

In any case, Turbo is obligated to comply with all EA requirements. He did, but in the process gave a tool to circumvent those restrictions. That was the main point of my post as well.

All user accusations against Turbo should be dismissed as baseless. And just continue to enjoy the mod using his tools to circumvent EA restrictions.

 

It doesn't go with TD change log, he wasn't obligated too, but didn't feel it :

 

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Due to the recontextualization of teen Sims in the game, making them prepubescent and physically immature, I'm no longer comfortable allowing them to retain sexual functionalities. This is a pretty major change, but it has to be done.

 

[WoLfN7]

58 minutes ago, Petr54 said:

All of the difficulties with teen sex in WW fashion arise from the new "worldview" of puberty from EA itself. EA, in turn, imposed restrictions on sexual interactions because of the new concept of the High School supplement, which introduced the concept of puberty. The school content of the High School supplement and sex between teens, much less with teachers instead of lessons, do not fit together at all. I don't know U.S. law, but I do know that in many countries around the world, even, pictures, animations with sex involving children are criminally punishable. And teenagers are considered children.

 

It is not unreasonable to remind that the legal owner of WW mod is not Turbo, but EA. That is, not modders who write mods, mod owners, which would seem quite natural, but the owner of the game.

The fact is that the mods themselves do not work without the main game, that is, they are a secondary software product in relation to the game, the owner of which is the EA and, accordingly, all secondary software products are their property. Thus, the owner of the game has the right to decide what to allow and what to forbid in mods (or forbid them altogether).

 

Turbo is simply forced to adhere to the conceptual restrictions from EA. Nevertheless he, having introduced all the restrictions required of him, still gives a tool to circumvent its from his second WickedAssistant account in the form of the WickedWhims Inappropriate Unlock file.

 

Note, this file was previously designed only for Patreon versions, due to restrictions on teen sex mods posted on that site.  Now these are EA requirements, and it is now required for the public version as well. 

Also he gave a trait Postpuberty, if you assign it and have the WickedWhims Inappropriate Unlock file you get what you think is lost in the mod, namely teen sex, including with adults.

 

If you didn't understand what I wrote, sorry, English is not my first language.

 

 

Agreed , UK teens under age 16 are classed as kids , over age 16 they allowed sexy time , so Sims 4 expansion is classed at under age 16 , unless there's a 6th form which we had years ago , instead going college they would go 6th form at school and those students were 16+ . But at end of day if people have issues playing high school expansion don't play or purchase it , I only got it for items for build .

School itself terrible how EA done it , sports field one tiny spot play catch with ball and do cheerleading, EA just to lazy with content and playability in Sims 4 compared to Sims 3 .

[Atomhv]

2 hours ago, MiiTy said:

Sims és ww az összeomláson ? lol 

[WoLfN7]

If you live in UK and turn school into a 6th form school your good to go .

[KerrineR]

when I click a household to play, the loading screen goes back to the world selection screen, could I get some help with an LE, been trying the 50/50 method but nothing so far. Thanks

lastException_63795057540.txt

[Simsy McSimsface]

[WoLfN7]

2 minutes ago, KerrineR said:

when I click a household to play, the loading screen goes back to the world selection screen, could I get some help with an LE, been trying the 50/50 method but nothing so far. Thanks

lastException_63795057540.txt 1.2 MB · 0 downloads

Sims 4 is totally broken , people experiencing all kinds of issues , I been having saves resetting to start etc list goes on , gotta wait till end of week see what happens with new patch , don't hold your breath tho , I expect more issues and alot current issues not fixed .

[Petr54]

52 minutes ago, SoCalExile said:

At this point it's just hilarious. None of circumventing is actually needed since 1) it's a fucking game and not real and 2) it adds all sorts of implications that just aren't there in the base game. 

What you say is ridiculous. There are limitations, that's a fact. They come from EA, not Turbo. The circumvention tools are there-that's a fact, it's a trait and an unlock file. The rest is just your emotions that shouldn't be taken into account.

 

43 minutes ago, Gambit said:

It doesn't go with TD change log, he wasn't obligated too, but didn't feel it :

Do you really think Turbo is going to explain in his description the reasons for the restrictions in his mod? No, of course not. He writes exactly as he always has. The style of the description does not prove anything. It's just your subjective impression.

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Whoever wants to, plays with teenage high school sex, whoever doesn't want to, will just parrot on topic.

I got the mod working like it always did. I just wanted to share a way to incorporate full-on teen and teen-adult sex. Everyone seems to be only interested in the chatter and minor details in my posts, but not the WW mod itself.

[WoLfN7]

6 minutes ago, Petr54 said:

What you say is ridiculous. There are limitations, that's a fact. They come from EA, not Turbo. The circumvention tools are there-that's a fact, it's a trait and an unlock file. The rest is just your emotions that shouldn't be taken into account.

 

Do you really think Turbo is going to explain in his description the reasons for the restrictions in his mod? No, of course not. He writes exactly as he always has. The style of the description does not prove anything. It's just your subjective impression.

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Whoever wants to, plays with teenage high school sex, whoever doesn't want to, will just parrot on topic.

I got the mod working like it always did. I just wanted to share a way to incorporate full-on teen and teen-adult sex. Everyone seems to be only interested in the chatter and minor details in my posts, but not the WW mod itself.

Turbo needs release region versions I guess lol as I have posted 6th form teen school is legal in UK , need UK version WW lol

Edited August 1, 2022 by MiiTy

[KerrineR]

19 minutes ago, MiiTy said:

Sims 4 is totally broken , people experiencing all kinds of issues , I been having saves resetting to start etc list goes on , gotta wait till end of week see what happens with new patch , don't hold your breath tho , I expect more issues and alot current issues not fixed .

Jesus christ, I'm still gonna try

[WoLfN7]

It's Sims 4 apocalypse at moment with all current issues ,WW , paywalls , Sims 4 broken lol

[KerrineR]

5 minutes ago, MiiTy said:

It's Sims 4 apocalypse at moment with all current issues ,WW , paywalls , Sims 4 broken lol

I WILL find the issue to my file, I'm way too much of a horny fuck to give up

[jyotai]

9 hours ago, SysGhost said:

Can we maybe just... stop about law?

Like first, law is very different from country to country.

 

It's still relevant though. Controlling law where EA is incorporated and HQ'd, and has enough business contacts will control what policies they set.

 

The same is true for a given mod author. If Turbo is in the USA vs if Turbo is in Canada (where the age of consent is 14) that set differences.

 

In the USA, it's only a legal violation if real people are involved. In some countries digital art representing people can be a violation - but that is NOT relevant here because EA is in the USA.

 

The general norm in International law is that the law of choice will be based on where the key parties are domiciled. For criminal matters that is similar though you can change your risk by traveling somewhere. This can sometimes lead to rare situations where a US court decides a matter using US procedural law (rules on evidence, objections, juries, etc), but using the substance law of another country (what is a crime, sentence, etc).

 

 

But the key thing here is that US law is what matters here unless Turbo is not in the US. If Turbo is not in the US, then BOTH US and wherever Turbo is matter - and it's complicated figuring out which controls.

 

 

[Petr54]

40 minutes ago, jyotai said:

 

It's still relevant though. Controlling law where EA is incorporated and HQ'd, and has enough business contacts will control what policies they set.

 

The same is true for a given mod author. If Turbo is in the USA vs if Turbo is in Canada (where the age of consent is 14) that set differences.

 

In the USA, it's only a legal violation if real people are involved. In some countries digital art representing people can be a violation - but that is NOT relevant here because EA is in the USA.

 

The general norm in International law is that the law of choice will be based on where the key parties are domiciled. For criminal matters that is similar though you can change your risk by traveling somewhere. This can sometimes lead to rare situations where a US court decides a matter using US procedural law (rules on evidence, objections, juries, etc), but using the substance law of another country (what is a crime, sentence, etc).

 

 

But the key thing here is that US law is what matters here unless Turbo is not in the US. If Turbo is not in the US, then BOTH US and wherever Turbo is matter - and it's complicated figuring out which controls.

 

 

Why do we all need these legal intricacies? Is this a forum about WW mod or the laws? 

It's important for everyone to know if WW will be fully functional. The answer is YES. It has been shown that if certain conditions are met, the mod will work as it always has. What are these conditions, I showed in my posts, I will not repeat myself, because it was clear, who wants to play, he plays with this mod, and who wants to just express their emotions about the allegedly broken WW mod, nothing can stop it. It is more important for him to say that Turbo is bad, because he restricted teenage sex.

THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET.

Please excuse my bad English.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Petr54

[MrGrey]

4 hours ago, Garthis said:

Be careful apparently EA has changed their guidelines to include a "No vulgar content" rule for CC and mods and they have even implemented an official reporting method that they are following up on quite quickly. This guy has a video on it where he talks mostly about how this effect paywall content but if you read between the lines this could easily turn into a crusade.

 

The videos is mostly (completely?) about mod makers selling EA content. EA owns the mods, not the mod author. It's the same as if I go to work and create intellectual property for the company, the company not I, owns it. Just as I signed away those rights in my employment agreement, mod makers signed away their rights when the agreed to the EA terms of service. Puttng the mods behind a paywall is against EA's terms of service. They can ask for donations and support, but the 'early access" is a Patreon thing, not an EA thing. EA made no such provision.

EA has the right to demand that Patreon release their IP immediately.

Which is kinda off topic.

EA owns all mods for their games, If they don't like your mod, they can shut it down with IP law. Which kinda puts EA in a bind: the rate the game "Teen" but there are mods that make it "Mature" that they technically own.

[KerrineR]

1 minute ago, MrGrey said:

The videos is mostly (completely?) about mod makers selling EA content. EA owns the mods, not the mod author. It's the same as if I go to work and create intellectual property for the company, the company not I, owns it. Just as I signed away those rights in my employment agreement, mod makers signed away their rights when the agreed to the EA terms of service. Puttng the mods behind a paywall is against EA's terms of service. They can ask for donations and support, but the 'early access" is a Patreon thing, not an EA thing. EA made no such provision.

EA has the right to demand that Patreon release their IP immediately.

Which is kinda off topic.

EA owns all mods for their games, If they don't like your mod, they can shut it down with IP law. Which kinda puts EA in a bind: the rate the game "Teen" but there are mods that make it "Mature" that they technically own.

No lewd mods... ALLOW TEENS TO WOOHOO.

 

yeah ok

[jyotai]

4 hours ago, Garthis said:

Be careful apparently EA has changed their guidelines to include a "No vulgar content" rule for CC and mods and they have even implemented an official reporting method that they are following up on quite quickly. This guy has a video on it where he talks mostly about how this effect paywall content but if you read between the lines this could easily turn into a crusade.

 

 

If you read the actual post from EA it's all about paywall content, not adult content.

 

 

[jyotai]

2 hours ago, Petr54 said:

All of the difficulties with teen sex in WW fashion arise from the new "worldview" of puberty from EA itself. EA, in turn, imposed restrictions on sexual interactions because of the new concept of the High School supplement, which introduced the concept of puberty.

 

 

 

It's actually the other way around.

 

EA has just added two things to teens they never had before:

 

Sexual orientation that is basically "who do I want to mess around with".

And an interaction to "mess around" that plays the WooHoo animation.

 

- EA is ADDING adult content onto teens... That is new.

 

 

All the talk about laws IS relevant BTW: it matters not what he law is in Zimbabwe or Cuba or England or some other weird place. All that matters is what the law is wherever EA is, and wherever Turbo is. This is why US law keeps coming up - because it matters, regardless of where you are, because the US is where EA is.

 

 

[SticksStackStuck]

4 hours ago, SysGhost said:

I mean, as far as Im aware. Thats always been there (about the "No vulgar content"), only worded differently. Plus an important point, EA knows of WW's existance, even making references in game to it. So it would be very hypocritical to suddenly pull a 180.

 

You are correct, the difference is EA has tightened up it's rule and is starting to actually do something about the rulebreakers (if you watch through Pixelades's video). That is new, EA has had a rather laissez-faire attitude to things up to now.

[MrGrey]

10 minutes ago, KerrineR said:

No lewd mods... ALLOW TEENS TO WOOHOO.

 

yeah ok

I didn't see anything about vulgar or lewd mods in that video. It was about IP rights and End User license agreements and how EA allows mods but they must not be behind a paywall. Patreon rules allow "Early access", but EA does not.