WickedWhims

[SpookyDjinn]

11 minutes ago, SticksStackStuck said:

 

I did as you just described, seeing if I could give my teenage sim the trait. No trait of that description was found however, and my teen sim was able to screw an adult sim anyway, so I'm not complaining!

Then you must not have the High School pack and only have the game update.

[smashl66]

For me 1.70i teen sexuality works the same as 1.70h did.

For me 1.70i no longer randomly pops up ww exception error for peeping tom and solo autonomy unlike 1.70h did.

In 1.70h I disabled winow peeping and solo autonomy to stop the ww exceptions.

 

For me 1.70i is more in line to working like what it was pre School DLC official patch.

Obviously excluding the teen sexuality setting removal, but since that's circumvented atm I'll stick with 1.70i till next EA hotfix update that fixes damn aging!

[coto39]

5 hours ago, Veoly said:

It's literally a crutch
I absolutely do not like that, among other things, this trait blocks game functions. this solution is complete bullshit.

 

I would have preferred the feature to be kept and disabled by default. But, since that is not an option right now the mod is the next best thing. 

Also you can assign the needed trait to A LOT (if not all) teens at once with the Give Wicked Attribute to ALL sims and select "Teens" as target on the pop-up. I did not check how many sims you need to select but it is way faster than going one by one. Not perfect but better than nothing

[sushi]

*facepalm* It's just aggravating that I've waited for all the mods to update, only to see this new change.
Personally, I haven't involved teens in this, for years.  Then I decided that I wanted a few of them to have an immoral storyline.  Maybe one teen is a vampire with an evil trait, and part of her evil is using sex to manipulate men, as her stepping stone to world domination.  Maybe a Doll has 2 teen daughters.  One decides to become a sex addict because of the environment they were raised in, while the other one is turned off by the entire thing.  Maybe another one is rebellious, gets addicted to drugs, leaves home and decides to support themselves through prostitution.  Maybe there's a guy who's a Villainous Valentine.  His entire goal is to get with people and breakup with them.  Maybe he sees one family and decides he's going to knock up the wife, get her to leave her husband, then knock up her teen daughter in front of her because he's an evil son of a bitch.  

 

Like there's so much potential there.  Cheerleader gets knocked up and has to juggle being a mother and student.  Teacher knocks up a student and parent murders the teacher.  Teen steals their BFF's SO and gets caught.  

 

Yes, I've watched Euphoria, like someone else here, and one of the NPCs in the trailer actually looks like Kat Hernandez to me.  I feel that was intentional.  

 

I like the fact that Basemental Drugs doesn't apply morality to their mod.  Like you go to their website and you see that the mod author is actually very anti-drug and donates money towards that.  When playing with that mod, you can see that drugs aren't just fun, there's also the downside of addiction.  

 

We could have turned off sex in certain areas with those "no nudity" and "no sex" signs.  Or lot traits.  Easy peasy.

Lastly, I'm just going to reiterate what others have said.  Those sims are not prepubescent.  If anything, they could pass for 17-25, imo.  

[Vincenza]

1 hour ago, MrGrey said:

What's the point given that EA loves breaking mods?

the point is that v170i doesn't allow any sexual relations with teenagers anymore. why is that? because TURBODRIVER decided so. the second point is that i absolutely don't understand this. for years nobody cared about teenagers having sex. i have all the content of sims 4, all the expansions, packs, sets, whatever. v170i forbids what v170h allowed if you have high school years installed.

 

changelog:

 

Excluded Teen Sims from any sexual interactivity
Due to the recontextualization of teen Sims in the game, making them prepubescent and physically immature, I'm no longer comfortable allowing them to retain sexual functionalities. This is a pretty major change, but it has to be done. You can bring back the old behavior with external mods, but WickedWhims will not officially support it.

 

this is a joke, but a very bad one!
 

[luceze]

40 minutes ago, smashl66 said:

Sorry I disagree, sure the 1.70i  update only lists those basic changes..

But under the hood in WW alot more code has changed then what has been said in the changelog.

Some of those under the hood changes are related to ww exception errors is my guess (you know the orange pop-up window telling you WW has had an exception).

 

TURBODRIVER has made more then 1 update to WW 1.70i since it's initial release. (undocumented in the change log on WW web page).

So trying to boycott updating really isn't going to help yourself get your game in order.

Also sends a shitty message to the mod author who works damn hard to give the TS4 community a pretty user friendly stable package.

 

Sure I may not see eye to eye with the mod author in some decissions but it doesn't mean I need to disrespect the mod authors hard efforts in current updates.

sorry but please point me out where i said anything negative about the author? i even defended him on my first message?

[Veoly]

15 minutes ago, coto39 said:

 

I would have preferred the feature to be kept and disabled by default. But, since that is not an option right now the mod is the next best thing. 

Also you can assign the needed trait to A LOT (if not all) teens at once with the Give Wicked Attribute to ALL sims and select "Teens" as target on the pop-up. I did not check how many sims you need to select but it is way faster than going one by one. Not perfect but better than nothing

You don't think at all what I wrote, do you?
I want to have a setting for the game to consider my teens as adults.
I also want to keep all teenage problems like hair and acne.
Turbo has made these two things mutually exclusive. This makes me crazy.

I will repeat again. I don't want to give this stupid trait to anyone. It's useless... no, it's bad shit for me.
I don't even need my teens to get into relationships with adults. I only wish that they could love each other. Since when do teenagers have to be puberty to do this? Even EA knows this is nonsense. But not Turbo.

[Vincenza]

i have to laugh so much right now. sex with dogs is ok. sex with cats too, sex with robots, no problem. but sex with teenagers. oh my god, that's the devil's work ?

Edited July 30, 2022 by Vincenza

[carnation77]

1 hour ago, datl0ser said:

It's not that simple to move over, since moving to that mod is a death sentence to any opportunity for support.

And you should wonder why that is the case.

[Red Lilibet]

28 minutes ago, Vincenza said:

the point is that v170i doesn't allow any sexual relations with teenagers anymore. why is that? because TURBODRIVER decided so. the second point is that i absolutely don't understand this. for years nobody cared about teenagers having sex. i have all the content of sims 4, all the expansions, packs, sets, whatever. v170i forbids what v170h allowed if you have high school years installed.

 

changelog:

 

Excluded Teen Sims from any sexual interactivity
Due to the recontextualization of teen Sims in the game, making them prepubescent and physically immature, I'm no longer comfortable allowing them to retain sexual functionalities. This is a pretty major change, but it has to be done. You can bring back the old behavior with external mods, but WickedWhims will not officially support it.

 

this is a joke, but a very bad one!
 

It actually looks like a bad joke. Take a look at the physically immature sims from the EA trailer

[michazl79]

32 minutes ago, sushi said:

I like the fact that Basemental Drugs doesn't apply morality to their mod.  Like you go to their website and you see that the mod author is actually very anti-drug and donates money towards that.  When playing with that mod, you can see that drugs aren't just fun, there's also the downside of addiction.

Well, Basemental don't have the risk of being banned of the site he post his mod but Turbo here in Loverslab do.

[datl0ser]

1 hour ago, Mellor81 said:

thats true lol maybe try the unlock thing others have mentioned as thats been updated today too, just trying it myself to see 

 

The unlock itself hasn't even actually been updated, only the post text has been updated instructing to add the new trait that locks out acne, which anyone can get, whether they be 15 or 50.

[kaliandra2019]

13 minutes ago, Red Lilibet said:

It actually looks like a bad joke. Take a look at the physically immature sims from the EA trailer

This is what confuses me.  I've seen on Reddit and Twitter that people are sooooo happy that Turbo did this and calling others pedo.  How in the world are adult looking sims having sex pedo?  It's like they're patting themselves on the back and pushing this narrative to force others to their beliefs out of fear of being accused of something.  Heck 90% of the time I had no clue who was teen/YA/Adult because there was such little difference that I just didn't care.  I think it's silly and will push people away from this mod because of the change.  A week ago they looked like adult and now they still look like adults.  A week ago they went to high school and now they go to high school.  Not sure about this puberty thing, but these do not look prepubescent at all.

[SticksStackStuck]

47 minutes ago, sushi said:

I like the fact that Basemental Drugs doesn't apply morality to their mod.  Like you go to their website and you see that the mod author is actually very anti-drug and donates money towards that.  When playing with that mod, you can see that drugs aren't just fun, there's also the downside of addiction. 

 

It's worth noting that EA just made an update/clarification on their mods policy. Pixelade just covered it (link below). If I understand this correctly (i.e I may be talking out of my hindquarters), Turbodriver may not be in a position to choose whether to apply morality or not. Should WW stray from the narrow path, EA has the means to make the mod unusable. EA too would probably prefer not to get involved, but they too are under pressure.

 

[Guest]

Ironically the Sims team feels the opposite considering this update/pack included 'fooling around' for teens allowing them to perform woohoo interactions without the risk of pregnancy essentially. So yeah, sounds like Maxis is more comfortable than ever allowing teens to engage in such activities. 

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, datl0ser said:

The unlock itself hasn't even actually been updated, only the post text has been updated instructing to add the new trait that locks out acne, which anyone can get, whether they be 15 or 50.

it was updated for me and its actually working perfectly fine, had one crash in about 3 hrs cant be assed working out what it was yet but yeh its good to go

[datl0ser]

1 minute ago, Mellor81 said:

it was updated for me and its actually working perfectly fine, had one crash in about 3 hrs cant be assed working out what it was yet but yeh its good to go

I never said it didn't work, just that to make it work, you need to apply the Post-Puberty trait to every single teen sim, and this locks them out of acne. As an adult with acne, I am quite offended >:P

[Flyingscoot]

So if you don't have the new expansion pack WW works like normal for teen interactions? 

[Kymberlyxxx]

R.I.P. Billy smashing Mrs. Jones down the block with the new WW HS Update

[MrGrey]

My experiment. Made two siblings by taking a high level spell caster in a recent game, duplicato, and then change the gender/preferences to be compatible in cas and both ages to teen. MCCC was uninstalled so MCCC Woohooer is not involved. 

* Tried to use WW for sex. Nope, doesn't work.

* Removed sibling relation using testing cheat and remove from family. Nope, doesn't work.

* Added the old inappropriate unlock. Doesn't work, but says that the sims need to have the post puberty trait.

 

I trust that with the Post Puberty trait they can have sex.

Odd that EA would add gender preferences including sex explorer, romance and seeks sex to teens and then make all that illegal.

[merkle]

1 hour ago, SticksStackStuck said:

 

It's worth noting that EA just made an update/clarification on their mods policy. Pixelade just covered it (link below). If I understand this correctly (i.e I may be talking out of my hindquarters), Turbodriver may not be in a position to choose whether to apply morality or not. Should WW stray from the narrow path, EA has the means to make the mod unusable. EA too would probably prefer not to get involved, but they too are under pressure.

 

This is the crux of the matter.  Teen sex (if under 18) is, essentially, kiddie porn.  There are federal laws about that and that's why they previously went to great pains to define teens as 18-19-year-olds.  Now they seem to be defining teens as younger.  You can argue that it's animation and not the real thing, but that's probably not going to keep you out of trouble.  I'm quite sure EA's lawyers have advised them in no uncertain terms that they have to show due diligence in keeping kiddie porn out of their product.

[sushi]

1 hour ago, michazl79 said:

Well, Basemental don't have the risk of being banned of the site he post his mod but Turbo here in Loverslab do.

 

1 hour ago, SticksStackStuck said:

 

It's worth noting that EA just made an update/clarification on their mods policy. Pixelade just covered it (link below). If I understand this correctly (i.e I may be talking out of my hindquarters), Turbodriver may not be in a position to choose whether to apply morality or not. Should WW stray from the narrow path, EA has the means to make the mod unusable. EA too would probably prefer not to get involved, but they too are under pressure.

 

 

In both cases, I wish Turbo would have just stated that more clearly, instead of making it sound like it's just because of the new pack.  If he finds himself limited by host or EA, not much else he can do, right?

 

44 minutes ago, Roxanne Wolf said:

Ironically the Sims team feels the opposite considering this update/pack included 'fooling around' for teens allowing them to perform woohoo interactions without the risk of pregnancy essentially. So yeah, sounds like Maxis is more comfortable than ever allowing teens to engage in such activities. 

 

4 minutes ago, MrGrey said:

Odd that EA would add gender preferences including sex explorer, romance and seeks sex to teens and then make all that illegal.

So essentially they want to allow it, they want to look progressive, but also don't want to piss off the parents.  LOL.

 

 

[0rcus]

I don't really care about teen sex. I don't even play as teens, but I always find it funny when people try to push their morality on a video game. I don't get it. None of this is real, just a blob of pixels. You can call them whatever you want. They don't have any real age or feelings. You can't abuse them since they don't exist. With all the gay, transgender, LGBT stuff you would think people playing this game wouldn't be so uptight. Everything else goes, but teen sex is off limits? Ok.. just weird morality being pushed in a sex mod

Edited July 31, 2022 by 0rcus

[michazl79]

59 minutes ago, Flyingscoot said:

So if you don't have the new expansion pack WW works like normal for teen interactions? 

No, its all in the patch not the expansion pack. If you didnt updated the game then youre fine. Of course only if you don't update WW as well.

Edited July 31, 2022 by michazl79

[Brewski2k]

41 minutes ago, merkle said:

This is the crux of the matter.  Teen sex (if under 18) is, essentially, kiddie porn.  There are federal laws about that and that's why they previously went to great pains to define teens as 18-19-year-olds.  Now they seem to be defining teens as younger.  You can argue that it's animation and not the real thing, but that's probably not going to keep you out of trouble.  I'm quite sure EA's lawyers have advised them in no uncertain terms that they have to show due diligence in keeping kiddie porn out of their product.

Sims are a bunch of pixels arranged in the shape of humanoid avatars, they are not real people. They don't have rights, an age, gender, or whatever else you want to "assign" to them. Federal Child protection laws don't apply any more to a stick figure drawing than they do to digital or drawn characters, which is the same reason Hentai is not illegal. You can doodle whatever scenarios you want on a piece of paper or create depictions in blender and no lawyer on the planet or federal government can put you in jail or sue you over it. EA can posture all they want, they have zero legal grounds to go any CC creators who provide completely optional content that people aren't being forced to apply to their game.

The default Sims has all sorts of scenarios that allow for "illegal" and morally questionable activities; robberies, murder, "rape", torture, by allowing players to play "god" over their little avatars and all of it is completely subjective. This seems like EA has chosen, once again, to cater to a vocal minority of sensitive woke people who likely are complaining about who knows what.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Brewski2k