WickedWhims

[luceze]

6 hours ago, merkle said:

This is the crux of the matter.  Teen sex (if under 18) is, essentially, kiddie porn.  There are federal laws about that and that's why they previously went to great pains to define teens as 18-19-year-olds.  Now they seem to be defining teens as younger.  You can argue that it's animation and not the real thing, but that's probably not going to keep you out of trouble.  I'm quite sure EA's lawyers have advised them in no uncertain terms that they have to show due diligence in keeping kiddie porn out of their product.

You can say the same thing for basically anything else on LL, from zoophilia to rape, and as you can see by the reactions, everyone here understand the difference between fiction and reality, something others (hello reddit) might struggle to do unfortunately, and if we are talking about laws and fictions, we should talk about hentai first, not mods lmao

Edited July 31, 2022 by luceze

[Kymberlyxxx]

1 minute ago, Sanghelios said:

ayo what cc is that?

Breast sliders

[LucasSa12]

I can understand why some people would be uncomfortable with teenage sex, but I don't really get the legal talk here. They are fictional characters, not real people and guess what? Murdering, stealing and torturing are ilegal too. And yet, countless games portray those acts in the most gruesome ways. Will those things be banned from games as well or are they somehow different?

Edited July 31, 2022 by LucasSa12

[sottosopra]

10 hours ago, gbfthtfhg said:

Even after the mod got updated today, it's still doing that. Is there any way to contact turbo about this aside from this forum?

 

Yeah, it's still there for me as well. Hopefully Turbo has seen it and is working on a fix, but given the mass of criticism about the change to teens... I would understand if he wants to keep clear of social media for a while. It could also be that it's hard to figure out the exact source of the glitch and why it acts the way it does. The only vaguely consistent thing I've seen about the glitch so far is that it seems more likely to happen when loading a save. I've been able to play for hours with the settings staying the way I changed them, only for them to reset the next time I load into the game.

[SticksStackStuck]

6 hours ago, sushi said:

In both cases, I wish Turbo would have just stated that more clearly, instead of making it sound like it's just because of the new pack.  If he finds himself limited by host or EA, not much else he can do, right?

 

But is is because of the new pack! 'Highschool years' have subtly shifted the frame of how teens are interpreted in Sims4. They are now the whole span from puberty to let's say 20. Turbodriver thus has introduced the trait 'postpubescent' to apply to sims that are supposed to be of legal age (18 in the US, 16 in most of Europe). This is probably the best solution given the circumstances, and leaves everyone's back free.

[WoLfN7]

2 hours ago, paperipussi said:

Even people who are playing without mods are reporting the same issue, it's the game itself that is bugging.

Yup it's a total mess , EA to lazy to fix and just keep going after the cashgrab, kids kit incoming what about a break from creating and start fixing . Also test before launching , but it's EA

[WoLfN7]

3 hours ago, eurotrashks said:

Hands up who irl abstained from sex until they were legally an adult.  Lol, I'll wait.  Pretty sure most parents and EA peeps were humping before 18.  Also, given that the teens in game all look like fully grown 6ft adults (and have the mess around option), the rabble rabble from concerned parties seems...odd. 

 

On a tech issue, I know there have been changes with WW, but I've noticed that teens don't have the full attributes list.  Was this always so, is this new, or is this a bug?  Please advise.

18 wow , UK gotta be 16 for sexy time.

[smashl66]

3 minutes ago, MiiTy said:

Yup it's a total mess , EA to lazy to fix and just keep going after the cashgrab, kids kit incoming what about a break from creating and start fixing . Also test before launching , but it's EA

100% aggree with your outlook.

[sprinkly10]

2 minutes ago, SticksStackStuck said:

 

But is is because of the new pack! 'Highschool years' have subtly shifted the frame of how teens are interpreted in Sims4. They are now the whole span from puberty to let's say 20. Turbodriver thus has introduced the trait 'postpubescent' to apply to sims that are supposed to be of legal age (18 in the US, 16 in most of Europe). This is probably the best solution given the circumstances, and leaves everyone's back free.

The thing though is that has now stopped working, so something got patched fast..
What is interesting for ages this was somewhat ignored as an issue, then all of a sudden it is an issue.. And gathering from what you say this new expac is the reason that it is now an issue..

[sottosopra]

2 hours ago, Display Name 309 said:

Enough about the teens; what I want to know is if anyone else is experiencing an issue with saving after the last two WW updates? I've seen a couple of posts about it on the Sims 4 subreddit and the comments there attribute it to WW.

 

Basically, it seems like either it fails to save sometimes when you press the save button, or it loads a previous version of the save instead of the current version. I can't tell which. I'm leaning toward the first one since my saving times seem super short sometimes.

 

Is anyone else having this problem? How do I stop it other than just removing the mod until Turbodriver fixes that? Is it even actually a Wicked Whims issue?

 

I have definitely had some weirdness with saves as well. I've made changes in build mode and made a manual save, but then next time I load in my changes are gone. Sometimes it loads me in several days before the last time I hit the save button. My save times have always been super fast, but I have the game installed on a SSD so that's to be expected. I have very few other mods that use scripts or could interact with the save system at all, so the list of suspects is pretty short.

 

It should be easy to test if it's tied to WW by removing the mod and doing some saving and reloading. I encourage anyone who's experiencing this issue to do so. If things work normally with WW removed, then it can be assumed it is causing the problem somehow, and it's better to leave it out of your mod folder until further notice. EA are rolling out a hotfix soon anyway and there's no telling how many mods will need to be updated for that.

[cesarfrankpazinibeu3]

2 hours ago, paperipussi said:

Even people who are playing without mods are reporting the same issue, it's the game itself that is bugging.

my game is like this too I thought it was a corrupted file maybe it will be fixed in the next update due to these problems with the update I even stopped playing a little

[merkle]

6 hours ago, Brewski2k said:

Sims are a bunch of pixels arranged in the shape of humanoid avatars, they are not real people. They don't have rights, an age, gender, or whatever else you want to "assign" to them. Federal Child protection laws don't apply any more to a stick figure drawing than they do to digital or drawn characters, which is the same reason Hentai is not illegal. You can doodle whatever scenarios you want on a piece of paper or create depictions in blender and no lawyer on the planet or federal government can put you in jail or sue you over it. EA can posture all they want, they have zero legal grounds to go any CC creators who provide completely optional content that people aren't being forced to apply to their game.

The default Sims has all sorts of scenarios that allow for "illegal" and morally questionable activities; robberies, murder, "rape", torture, by allowing players to play "god" over their little avatars and all of it is completely subjective. This seems like EA has chosen, once again, to cater to a vocal minority of sensitive woke people who likely are complaining about who knows what.

Perhaps you had better read Section 1466A of the federal code, which "makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene."

[sprinkly10]

15 minutes ago, sottosopra said:

 

I have definitely had some weirdness with saves as well. I've made changes in build mode and made a manual save, but then next time I load in my changes are gone. Sometimes it loads me in several days before the last time I hit the save button. My save times have always been super fast, but I have the game installed on a SSD so that's to be expected. I have very few other mods that use scripts or could interact with the save system at all, so the list of suspects is pretty short.

 

It should be easy to test if it's tied to WW by removing the mod and doing some saving and reloading. I encourage anyone who's experiencing this issue to do so. If things work normally with WW removed, then it can be assumed it is causing the problem somehow, and it's better to leave it out of your mod folder until further notice. EA are rolling out a hotfix soon anyway and there's no telling how many mods will need to be updated for that.

Yeah this seems to be a saved game and other mods issue. As I loaded a previous save and all was fine, so something broke somewhere.

 

1 minute ago, merkle said:

Perhaps you had better read Section 1466A of the federal code, which "makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene."

Definitely true, and how it has been "allowed" for so long really makes one wonder..

Edited July 31, 2022 by sprinkly10

[Brewski2k]

 

5 hours ago, merkle said:

Perhaps you had better read Section 1466A of the federal code, which "makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene."

The Supreme Court stuck that down in the Ashcroft decision because it violated the First Amendment since it was deemed too vague and "prohibits speech that records no crime and creates no victims by its production." Then things got even more muddied with the PROTECT act.

Some states have laws against "obscenity" but it's a big gray area. The internet is full of obscenities, yet nothing ever happens. The FBI regularly works with organizations like 4Chan which is known for all sorts of obscene content, yet no one cracks down on them, so there are tons of exceptions and for the most part, unless it's directly related to child pornography, obscenity laws are rarely pursued or enforced because it's so broad.

Anyway, WW doesn't have any child pornography content because there is nothing in WW that touches the "Child" age category as classified in the Sims' own context. "Teens" according to the standard definition, are humans aged 13-19. There is no numerical age associated to teens in the Sims -- it's just Child, Teen, Young Adult, etc. So who's to say all teens in the Sims aren't all 18-19? No one can assign an age to a Sim, no matter how you slice it as it's completely subjective at best.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Brewski2k

[kaliandra2019]

12 minutes ago, sprinkly10 said:

Yeah this seems to be a saved game and other mods issue. As I loaded a previous save and all was fine, so something broke somewhere.

 

Definitely true, and how it has been "allowed" for so long really makes one wonder..

Because teens looked like adults.  I get that it's now the new moral outrage, but when "teens" look like adults then it's hard to say it's depicting underage.  I cannot even imagine someone trying to go after a sims 4 player for having an adult looking sim having sex with another adult looking sim.  There is no depiction of underage going on there.  I do believe you are talking about teens though because the other ick stuff that I shall not name is not "allowed" at all even EA is supposed to be blocking access to the games for those who use it.   18 and 19 year olds are still teens and honestly teen sims look like they are at least 18.  I honestly hated sims going to school and aged them up when I bothered to use them to bypass it.  I don't have the high school pack and most likely will not get it.  So if you're hating on the clearly not adult looking sims stuff then go ahead.  I just wish TD didn't basically give a roadmap on how to get it via that google doc.  Just didn't make sense to basically advertise that mod.

[sprinkly10]

23 minutes ago, kaliandra2019 said:

Because teens looked like adults.  I get that it's now the new moral outrage, but when "teens" look like adults then it's hard to say it's depicting underage.  I cannot even imagine someone trying to go after a sims 4 player for having an adult looking sim having sex with another adult looking sim.  There is no depiction of underage going on there.  I do believe you are talking about teens though because the other ick stuff that I shall not name is not "allowed" at all even EA is supposed to be blocking access to the games for those who use it.   18 and 19 year olds are still teens and honestly teen sims look like they are at least 18.  I honestly hated sims going to school and aged them up when I bothered to use them to bypass it.  I don't have the high school pack and most likely will not get it.  So if you're hating on the clearly not adult looking sims stuff then go ahead.  I just wish TD didn't basically give a roadmap on how to get it via that google doc.  Just didn't make sense to basically advertise that mod.

 

I can understand that there seems to be no true depiction, I think that it is just implied.. And true there are, was mods far more disturbing than WW, and also true on your last bit about the WW roadmap..

[moon knight]

Would it be possible to have an option that automatically gives the "maturity" (forgot the name) perk to teens after they lived a certain number of days? 

 

[GMac2021]

49 minutes ago, Brewski2k said:

 

The Supreme Court stuck that down in the Ashcroft decision because it violated the First Amendment since it was deemed too vague and "prohibits speech that records no crime and creates no victims by its production." Then things got even more muddied with the PROTECT act.

Some states have laws against "obscenity" but it's a big gray area. The internet is full of obscenities, yet nothing ever happens. The FBI regularly works with organizations like 4Chan which is known for all sorts of obscene content, yet no one cracks down on them, so there are tons of exceptions and for the most part, unless it's directly related to child pornography, obscenity laws are rarely pursued or enforced because it's so broad.

Anyway, WW doesn't have any child pornography content because there is nothing in WW that touches the "Child" age category as classified in the Sims' own context. "Teens" are classified as anyone 13-19. There is no numerical age to teens in the sims, therefore, poof you can easily claim all teens are 18-19 in your game and therefore of legal consenting age. No one can prove otherwise.

Alas, the United states is not the only country on the planet and many other countries still have similar laws on the books. The mere representation of an under 18 naked or involved in sexual activity can land a person in very hot water.

 

And unless you have a few hundred dollars an hour lying around, its best to err on the side of caution. Lawyers ain't cheap.

[GoldenPiggy]

What Next ? Cisgender No allow ？

Transgender Sex Only?

?

It Just A Fucking Game.

[magadan2021]

I've been using WW for a long time and know how to install it. I've never had a problem BUT with July 27th's update, and now this update on the 30th.... Wicked Whims does not show up in game. 

There is no option showing, nothing. It is as if it is just not there. 
 

I had been playing in offline mode via Steam pending mods being updated. Do I need to go back online and update the entire game for WW to show up? 

[Guest]

are you fucking kidding me with the newest update

[LewdA]

Bro i still get Acne and grow shitty facial hair at 30
these "Teens" are FOR SURE 17-19
and SO close to Graduation. most ALL seniors in Highschool graduate about ages 17-19
so Chiiiilll bru LOL. They ain't kids. My sim definitely 19

Edited July 31, 2022 by LewdA
adding SS

[magadan2021]

13 minutes ago, LuxrayFTW said:

are you fucking kidding me with the newest update

I've not been able to try it yet because with the new update WW just doesn't show up in my game whatsoever, but others have shared this mod to have some of the customizations still in game. 
 

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, magadan2021 said:

I've not been able to try it yet because with the new update WW just doesn't show up in my game whatsoever, but others have shared this mod to have some of the customizations still in game. 
 

 

 

Thanks

 

Turbo forcing his interpretation of the game on everyone else so late into the mod's lifespan is such an asinine thing to do

 

Honestly hope he loses money over this

[magadan2021]

12 minutes ago, LewdA said:

Bro i still get Acne and grow shitty facial hair at 30
these "Teens" are FOR SURE 17-19
and SO close to Graduation. most ALL seniors in Highschool graduate about ages 17-19
so Chiiiilll bru LOL. They ain't kids

Age of consent is 14 where I live in EU anyway.