VirginMarie Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I had this issue myself. But it was some time ago with slaves of tamriel. When npc's had some slavetats applied and the zaz HDT ankle chain equipped this happened sometimes. I thought slavetats was the problem but maybe the HDT part of the ankle chain produces this behaviour. Did you have the restrictive boots with hdt chain equipped? I just copied the chain from the zaz item so it would make sense if it produces the same bug... I had my mod equipping the zaz ankle chains on some NPCs and found just that alone is enough to make them "sometimes but often" invisible. No tats of any kind and otherwise nekid. I just can't use those HDT ankle devices on NPCs. Due to that I'm guessing but have not verified, that almost any HDT device can make NPCs invisible.
Xenoramos Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I had this issue myself. But it was some time ago with slaves of tamriel. When npc's had some slavetats applied and the zaz HDT ankle chain equipped this happened sometimes. I thought slavetats was the problem but maybe the HDT part of the ankle chain produces this behaviour. Did you have the restrictive boots with hdt chain equipped? I just copied the chain from the zaz item so it would make sense if it produces the same bug... I had my mod equipping the zaz ankle chains on some NPCs and found just that alone is enough to make them "sometimes but often" invisible. No tats of any kind and otherwise nekid. I just can't use those HDT ankle devices on NPCs. Due to that I'm guessing but have not verified, that almost any HDT device can make NPCs invisible. I can confirm it. I've encountered that thing many times, and only when HDT-based elements are on NPC. Today I downloaded a follower mod with HDT tail, and she disappears after almost every loading screen. That's why I don't use HDT-based items on NPC (First I encountered that on some armor mod with physics, but that happends much rarer, may be something was wrong with that armor). P.S. Here, on LL, someone told me how to make NPC visible for some time (but after that NPC will turn invisible again) - in console select NPC, type "Disable", wait, then type "Enable".
Hanshurtig11 Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 Hi, i just came across some strange habit. When equipping a nearly full set of the heretic Items (chainharnes , ..shoulders, ..hands, ..feet, etc. on a follower (Lydia this time), she becomes invisable (fades out) very often, i stil can click her, and when i remove the stuff from her, she gets visable again imidiatly, so i think it might have to do with the items. Didnt used the helmet thou. regards I had this issue myself. But it was some time ago with slaves of tamriel. When npc's had some slavetats applied and the zaz HDT ankle chain equipped this happened sometimes. I thought slavetats was the problem but maybe the HDT part of the ankle chain produces this behaviour. Did you have the restrictive boots with hdt chain equipped? I just copied the chain from the zaz item so it would make sense if it produces the same bug... No, was only Heretic items and as i very very rarely use the Zaz HDT anklechain on followers (they just slow down way to much ) i cant tell if i could have that issue before. btw. using CBBE (still) not sure if that may does any interferiance.
Hæretic Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 I had my mod equipping the zaz ankle chains on some NPCs and found just that alone is enough to make them "sometimes but often" invisible. No tats of any kind and otherwise nekid. I just can't use those HDT ankle devices on NPCs. Due to that I'm guessing but have not verified, that almost any HDT device can make NPCs invisible. I can confirm it. I've encountered that thing many times, and only when HDT-based elements are on NPC. Today I downloaded a follower mod with HDT tail, and she disappears after almost every loading screen. That's why I don't use HDT-based items on NPC (First I encountered that on some armor mod with physics, but that happends much rarer, may be something was wrong with that armor). P.S. Here, on LL, someone told me how to make NPC visible for some time (but after that NPC will turn invisible again) - in console select NPC, type "Disable", wait, then type "Enable". Okay so HDT is the problem... Did any of you have the problem when one of the chain attachments for plugs was attached to a npc ? Maybe this happens only with certain HDT items. If I can figure out what causes this problem I can maybe fix it on the zaz ankle chains and my boots. No, was only Heretic items and as i very very rarely use the Zaz HDT anklechain on followers (they just slow down way to much ) i cant tell if i could have that issue before. btw. using CBBE (still) not sure if that may does any interferiance. I meant the restrictive boots from my mod. There is a version of the iron restrictive boots with a HDT chain between the shoes. This chain is just a copy of the zaz hdt ankle chains. I just repositioned it. PS. CBBE doesn't matter in this case. CBBE only has texture problems with breast bondage items the gloves and the boots.
Xenoramos Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I had my mod equipping the zaz ankle chains on some NPCs and found just that alone is enough to make them "sometimes but often" invisible. No tats of any kind and otherwise nekid. I just can't use those HDT ankle devices on NPCs. Due to that I'm guessing but have not verified, that almost any HDT device can make NPCs invisible. I can confirm it. I've encountered that thing many times, and only when HDT-based elements are on NPC. Today I downloaded a follower mod with HDT tail, and she disappears after almost every loading screen. That's why I don't use HDT-based items on NPC (First I encountered that on some armor mod with physics, but that happends much rarer, may be something was wrong with that armor). P.S. Here, on LL, someone told me how to make NPC visible for some time (but after that NPC will turn invisible again) - in console select NPC, type "Disable", wait, then type "Enable". Okay so HDT is the problem... Did any of you have the problem when one of the chain attachments for plugs was attached to a npc ? Maybe this happens only with certain HDT items. If I can figure out what causes this problem I can maybe fix it on the zaz ankle chains and my boots. I'll test every availible HDT-based item separately and tell you for each one.
p0dk3n Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I think the reason why morphs do not work is because you haven't selected a bodypreset. I think that disables morphs on the reference body... as you can see in your video the items do morph the body doesn't. You always should select a bodypreset and not just play with the sliders yourself. This way all armors will have the same size... O'cmon, really? https://youtu.be/NvJgyoZeSWk So, as you can see yoke and piercing work fine, other three are not. Items morphing works only in BS ver 3.6, but body won't morph at all no matter what version of BS i'm use. Also: I'm using latest bodyslide, and CBBE HDT. I've built all items with my preset (all items starting with HR and BB). In game when BB items are equipped, it changes my whole body significantly, plus it looks distorted. Piercings wont line up. Seems like maybe bodyslide only is supporting UUNP? Or could I be doing something wrong? All of the HR items work with my body perfectly. I believe same problem here.
Hæretic Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 I'll test every availible HDT-based item separately and tell you for each one. Thanks, It would help to have just one item where this doesn't occur if there is one. Then I could compare the items in nifskope and the xml files. I sometimes forget that havok physics on clothes and the body isn't in vanilla skyrim... Hopefully this isn't a bug in the hdt plugin.
Hæretic Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 I think the reason why morphs do not work is because you haven't selected a bodypreset. I think that disables morphs on the reference body... as you can see in your video the items do morph the body doesn't. You always should select a bodypreset and not just play with the sliders yourself. This way all armors will have the same size... O'cmon, really? https://youtu.be/NvJgyoZeSWk So, as you can see yoke and piercing work fine, other three are not. Items morphing works only in BS ver 3.6, but body won't morph at all no matter what version of BS i'm use. I have absoluteley no clue why the bodies won't morph... Anyone else having the same problem ? Do all the other items work for you? PS. The bodypreset do work right? try to build one of the items with the racemorphs box checked and take a look if you can morph the body ingame when the item is equipped. Also: I'm using latest bodyslide, and CBBE HDT. I've built all items with my preset (all items starting with HR and BB). In game when BB items are equipped, it changes my whole body significantly, plus it looks distorted. Piercings wont line up. Seems like maybe bodyslide only is supporting UUNP? Or could I be doing something wrong? All of the HR items work with my body perfectly. I believe same problem here. In the video it looks like you have uunp textures installed so I don't think you have the same problem. Look at the picture in VirginMarie's post are the textures disorted like this for you too? Are you using cbbe or uunp?
Hanshurtig11 Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 No, was only Heretic items and as i very very rarely use the Zaz HDT anklechain on followers (they just slow down way to much ) i cant tell if i could have that issue before. btw. using CBBE (still) not sure if that may does any interferiance. I meant the restrictive boots from my mod. There is a version of the iron restrictive boots with a HDT chain between the shoes. This chain is just a copy of the zaz hdt ankle chains. I just repositioned it. PS. CBBE doesn't matter in this case. CBBE only has texture problems with breast bondage items the gloves and the boots. Ah, i see, yes, it where the restrictive version with chains of your boots. Seems with all that last posts it can be pointed out it has to do with that (hopefully not all) HDT ZaZ chain.
Guest Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 i have the same problem as p0dk3n ( and maybe others ) , the morphs only work with the new bb yoke and piercing (+ all old items )..all other new bb items dont work in bodyslide or ingame ( bodyslide morphs / racemenu morphs )
p0dk3n Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 PS. The bodypreset do work right? try to build one of the items with the racemorphs box checked and take a look if you can morph the body ingame when the item is equipped. https://youtu.be/4FOUgCeFYYU There no need to look in game, 6 byte size morph file never a good sing. This means it's just file header and contain no morph data at all. In the video it looks like you have uunp textures installed so I don't think you have the same problem. Look at the picture in VirginMarie's post are the textures disorted like this for you too? Are you using cbbe or uunp? Yes, i'm using uunp. Forget about textures, it's a different, not related story. She wrote about body shape changes, that's the case. I think it all about bodyslide archive file, get broken or damaged some kind. Maybe repackage and reupload will do the job.
Xenoramos Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I'll test every availible HDT-based item separately and tell you for each one. Thanks, It would help to have just one item where this doesn't occur if there is one. Then I could compare the items in nifskope and the xml files. I sometimes forget that havok physics on clothes and the body isn't in vanilla skyrim... Hopefully this isn't a bug in the hdt plugin. These items have that "make invisible" problem: -Iron Harness Restrictive Boots with Chain (tested on black, I think no technical diffirence with other color/"training" type also tested Training type, same result) -Iron Restrictive Gloves with Chains (harness) -Iron Chain Cuffs Black -Iron Chain Brown Sign (Anal) -Iron Chain (both Vaginal and Anal) -Iron Chain Bell (both Vaginal and Anal) So I think all items with hanging chains have that problem. If I forgot some items then tell me, and I'll test it. Whole chain harness without hanging parts works fine, as I noticed. P.S. That issue appears more often for me when something "heavy" happend to game. For example when I have one follower I've spend some time (like 1-2 hours) before "make invisible" issue appeared after loading screen, but when I tested with 4 followers (3 with UFO and 1 with own follower system) - issue appeared in 1-2 minutes. So I think (just my theory, not sure about it) that issue appears when Skyrim engine is "overloaded", that's why NPC become invisible not instantly, but after loading screen. Maybe "physics engine" (forgot how it called) tries to reduce "overloading factors" for Skyrim such way?
Hæretic Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 There no need to look in game, 6 byte size morph file never a good sing. This means it's just file header and contain no morph data at all. Yes, i'm using uunp. Forget about textures, it's a different, not related story. She wrote about body shape changes, that's the case. I think it all about bodyslide archive file, get broken or damaged some kind. Maybe repackage and reupload will do the job. Are the breast bondage items working for anyone ? If everyone has this problem then the upload is indeed corrupted otherwise the error is somewhere on your end. I'll test every availible HDT-based item separately and tell you for each one. Thanks, It would help to have just one item where this doesn't occur if there is one. Then I could compare the items in nifskope and the xml files. I sometimes forget that havok physics on clothes and the body isn't in vanilla skyrim... Hopefully this isn't a bug in the hdt plugin. These items have that "make invisible" problem: -Iron Harness Restrictive Boots with Chain (tested on black, I think no technical diffirence with other color/"training" type) -Iron Chain Brown Sign (Anal) -Iron Restrictive Gloves with Chains (harness) -Iron Chain Cuffs Black So I think all items with hanging chains have that problem. If I forgot some items then tell me, and I'll test it. Whole chain harness without hanging parts works fine, as I noticed. P.S. That issue appears more often for me when something "heavy" happend to game. For example when I have one follower I've spend some time (like 1-2 hours) before "make invisible" issue appeared after loading screen, but when I tested with 4 followers (3 with UFO and 1 with own follower system) - issue appeared in 1-2 minutes. So I think (just my theory, not sure about it) that issue appears when Skyrim engine is "overloaded", that's why NPC become invisible not instantly, but after loading screen. Maybe "physics engine" (forgot how it called) tries to reduce "overloading factors" for Skyrim such way? Yeah, I noticed that its occuring more often on heavy load. I fear in that case I can't do anything about it and the error is either in the skyrim engine or in the HDT plugin... I don't have more hdt items in my mod but you can check if it occurs for items from others mods if you find anything. Can you test if this happens when a few npc use hdt hair from ks hairdos? iirc hdt hair uses the same xml approach so it should happen also with hair if this bug is global. PS. Ehrm... just googled the problem and there seems to be a fix already >Download< please share your results if this works.
Xenoramos Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 There no need to look in game, 6 byte size morph file never a good sing. This means it's just file header and contain no morph data at all. Yes, i'm using uunp. Forget about textures, it's a different, not related story. She wrote about body shape changes, that's the case. I think it all about bodyslide archive file, get broken or damaged some kind. Maybe repackage and reupload will do the job. Are the breast bondage items working for anyone ? If everyone has this problem then the upload is indeed corrupted otherwise the error is somewhere on your end. I'll test every availible HDT-based item separately and tell you for each one. Thanks, It would help to have just one item where this doesn't occur if there is one. Then I could compare the items in nifskope and the xml files. I sometimes forget that havok physics on clothes and the body isn't in vanilla skyrim... Hopefully this isn't a bug in the hdt plugin. These items have that "make invisible" problem: -Iron Harness Restrictive Boots with Chain (tested on black, I think no technical diffirence with other color/"training" type) -Iron Chain Brown Sign (Anal) -Iron Restrictive Gloves with Chains (harness) -Iron Chain Cuffs Black So I think all items with hanging chains have that problem. If I forgot some items then tell me, and I'll test it. Whole chain harness without hanging parts works fine, as I noticed. P.S. That issue appears more often for me when something "heavy" happend to game. For example when I have one follower I've spend some time (like 1-2 hours) before "make invisible" issue appeared after loading screen, but when I tested with 4 followers (3 with UFO and 1 with own follower system) - issue appeared in 1-2 minutes. So I think (just my theory, not sure about it) that issue appears when Skyrim engine is "overloaded", that's why NPC become invisible not instantly, but after loading screen. Maybe "physics engine" (forgot how it called) tries to reduce "overloading factors" for Skyrim such way? Yeah, I noticed that its occuring more often on heavy load. I fear in that case I can't do anything about it and the error is either in the skyrim engine or in the HDT plugin... I don't have more hdt items in my mod but you can check if it occurs for items from others mods if you find anything. Can you test if this happens when a few npc use hdt hair from ks hairdos? iirc hdt hair uses the same xml approach so it should happen also with hair if this bug is global. Can't say about HDT hair from KS Hairdos, because I don't know any mod with NPC using them (If you'll give me link for such mod - I'll test it). But I tried MarieRose wig with HDT on my follower some time ago - same thing, she became invisible after some time.
Hæretic Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 PS. Ehrm... just googled the problem and there seems to be a fix already >Download< please share your results if this works.
handsandarrows Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I just downloaded your mod for first time, looks great! But same as other mentioned, the "BB" files have body that doesn't change in Bodyslide, only chain parts change size...
Xenoramos Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 PS. Ehrm... just googled the problem and there seems to be a fix already >Download< please share your results if this works. Tested with that fix - no invisible bug appeared even on overloaded Skyrim with 4 followers fully equipped with HDT items. I'll play some time with it to be sure next day, but looks like it working. P.S. also wanted to ask: why [iron Restrictive Gloves] both brown and black no-harness version won't appear? Whole wrist are missing, but harness-version works fine.
Hæretic Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 I just downloaded your mod for first time, looks great! But same as other mentioned, the "BB" files have body that doesn't change in Bodyslide, only chain parts change size... I just downloaded the files and tested them and for me they do work. Still, the question are they working for anyone else than me? Tested with that fix - no invisible bug appeared even on overloaded Skyrim with 4 followers fully equipped with HDT items. I'll play some time with it to be sure next day, but looks like it working. P.S. also wanted to ask: why [iron Restrictive Gloves] both brown and black no-harness version won't appear? Whole wrist are missing, but harness-version works fine. That is very good news I will add a small FAQ to the main post to cover small things like this to avoid reoccurring questions.
Xenoramos Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I just downloaded your mod for first time, looks great! But same as other mentioned, the "BB" files have body that doesn't change in Bodyslide, only chain parts change size... I just downloaded the files and tested them and for me they do work. Still, the question are they working for anyone else than me? I'm not sure if my I can properly test it - but as I tried, only chain/metal parts are affected to sliders. But I have no UUNP bodytype, so don't sure.
El_Duderino Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I just downloaded your mod for first time, looks great! But same as other mentioned, the "BB" files have body that doesn't change in Bodyslide, only chain parts change size... I just downloaded the files and tested them and for me they do work. Still, the question are they working for anyone else than me? I'm not sure if my I can properly test it - but as I tried, only chain/metal parts are affected to sliders. But I have no UUNP bodytype, so don't sure. Hi, I just gave it a try using the latest version of Bodyslide and a fresh download of the sliders from the OP. It seems the only BB mesh that converts to _0 and _1 versions for me is the one with yoke, the others all seem to have identical _0 and _1 dimensions. The "preview" function in Bodyslide shows the same result. I tested it with Unified UNP HDT (UNP and UNPB presets). Are there any tests you'd like me to run in Bodyslide?
Hæretic Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 Okay, I found the Issue. I am surprised no one noticed this earlier... I am uploading a fixed 1.41 version now it should be available in 15 minutes. If anyone is interested what the error was... My edited body has an own bodyslide entry and I just copied that reference into the items when I created the Bodyslide entries for the Items. I assumed all the data is now inside the items but it seems like the original BBBody01 reference needs to be existent when generating the items. It doesn't need to be generated itself it will just get generated into some folder and never gets used. Only the Bodyslide Data needs to be in your folder structure while generating. PS. you only need to redownload the bodyslide data the mod itself is fine.
Hæretic Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 1.41 BodySlideData Fix is up. Please redownload the Bodyslide Archive !!!
olonolo Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 Is it possible to use the 'World Objects' havoc rope, hangman rope and havoc chain in game or are they just modders resources? I noticed the nif files are in the meshes folder but they don't show up in the 'Add Item Menu' mod. As for the parts requiring bodyslide, would it be possible for you to generate those files (I use UNPB). I have no idea how to use bodyslide. Please don't bother if it's too much work, I'll still enjoy using the parts that work. Great mod. The World objects aren't inventory items so no you can't get them or place them anywhere without another mod. You can open the console and type "coc HW". This will transport you to my workshop cell where you can test them. But if you want them somewhere in the world you have to integrate them with a mod yourself. PS. generating the bodyslide files isn't a lot of work this is the reason why you should to it yourself... I can't generate and upload the files for every bodypreset someone is using. Open bodyslide, select Heretical sets group , select unpb preset , press batch build and build all them items... Bodyslide is really easy to handle and we all should be thankful that it is designed in such a user-friendly way. If I made that tool it would be huge mess that could only be handled by myself or someone who reads a 20 page documentation. Invest 5 minutes of your lifetime and read how it works on the bodyslide download page. Thanks Heretic, I'll give it a shot. Hi, i just came across some strange habit. When equipping a nearly full set of the heretic Items (chainharnes , ..shoulders, ..hands, ..feet, etc. on a follower (Lydia this time), she becomes invisable (fades out) very often, i stil can click her, and when i remove the stuff from her, she gets visable again imidiatly, so i think it might have to do with the items. Didnt used the helmet thou. regards I had this issue myself. But it was some time ago with slaves of tamriel. When npc's had some slavetats applied and the zaz HDT ankle chain equipped this happened sometimes. I thought slavetats was the problem but maybe the HDT part of the ankle chain produces this behaviour. Did you have the restrictive boots with hdt chain equipped? I just copied the chain from the zaz item so it would make sense if it produces the same bug... The HDT ankle chain by zaz caused my npc to disappear as well. Has something to do with the HDT.
Hæretic Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 The HDT ankle chain by zaz caused my npc to disappear as well. Has something to do with the HDT. Already solved. Install the HDTInvisibilityFix
olonolo Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 The HDT ankle chain by zaz caused my npc to disappear as well. Has something to do with the HDT. Already solved. Install the HDTInvisibilit That was quick. Thank you very much.
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