Paradise Halls Enhanced (pahe) repacked with the customary addons

CliftonJD · January 21, 2017

I only used the CK outside of MO once to fix the dark grey face bug on old Conjure Sexy Female Dremora. I also moved the MO folder to Skyrim steam folder from desktop otherwise the Merge Plugins mod wouldn't work. Installed SKSE in Skyrim default folder. Thats about it. I'm sorry if this doesn't help or wasting your time. lol

Do you mind if I ask for full install of 7.1.4 so I can test before I reinstall Skyrim?

that would indeed bring back the double dialog issue you were reporting earlier tho ...unless you swear on oath to never use the reset or reboot from the mcm

holytrolls · January 21, 2017

Idk where to post this, sorry if this is in the wrong place. I'm having issues with the mod. Whenever i do any of the sex commands, the animations don't play. The actors (pc and npc) will line up for what seems to be the animations, but as soon as sounds play they just stand there. Not the default T-pose tho. just like, idle. Any idea what I did wrong?

edtide25 · January 21, 2017

I only used the CK outside of MO once to fix the dark grey face bug on old Conjure Sexy Female Dremora. I also moved the MO folder to Skyrim steam folder from desktop otherwise the Merge Plugins mod wouldn't work. Installed SKSE in Skyrim default folder. Thats about it. I'm sorry if this doesn't help or wasting your time. lol

Do you mind if I ask for full install of 7.1.4 so I can test before I reinstall Skyrim?

that would indeed bring back the double dialog issue you were reporting earlier tho ...unless you swear on oath to never use the reset or reboot from the mcm

I did a NPC reset and rebooted the mod a couple of times after enslaving that NPC... If that's what you mean?

Idk where to post this, sorry if this is in the wrong place. I'm having issues with the mod. Whenever i do any of the sex commands, the animations don't play. The actors (pc and npc) will line up for what seems to be the animations, but as soon as sounds play they just stand there. Not the default T-pose tho. just like, idle. Any idea what I did wrong?

Have you ran the FNIS and reset animation registry in sexlab settings?

CliftonJD · January 21, 2017

Idk where to post this, sorry if this is in the wrong place. I'm having issues with the mod. Whenever i do any of the sex commands, the animations don't play. The actors (pc and npc) will line up for what seems to be the animations, but as soon as sounds play they just stand there. Not the default T-pose tho. just like, idle. Any idea what I did wrong?

the current version of sl needs to be installed on the first playthru or it won't run, but if you're hearing sounds play then you seem to be past that already so my next guess would be have you run fnis yet since installing the 2 mods

I only used the CK outside of MO once to fix the dark grey face bug on old Conjure Sexy Female Dremora. I also moved the MO folder to Skyrim steam folder from desktop otherwise the Merge Plugins mod wouldn't work. Installed SKSE in Skyrim default folder. Thats about it. I'm sorry if this doesn't help or wasting your time. lol

Do you mind if I ask for full install of 7.1.4 so I can test before I reinstall Skyrim?

that would indeed bring back the double dialog issue you were reporting earlier tho ...unless you swear on oath to never use the reset or reboot from the mcm

I did a NPC reset and rebooted the mod a couple of times after enslaving that NPC... If that's what you mean?

slave reset from version 7.1.4 as well as reboot can/will cause the double dialog issues - it was a known issue in that version and should be removed from the current version - that's why instead of attempting to reinstall the older versions you need to be reinstalling the current version

Edited January 21, 2017 by CliftonJD

edtide25 · January 21, 2017

Ok I understood. Alright thanks for helping out. I've tried everything in my knowledge to fix it and it didn't go well. Hopefully the next update might.

AVS · January 21, 2017

Love your mod...have been using different versions for two years. One request....can you make it so the slaves aren't constantly bumping into the player when following in sneak mode? Its really irritating , I much preferred to have them wait behind on the old version so you didn't have to worry about getting rammed from behind all the time.

actualy that's what's already listed as in progress, meaning repeating something already stated half dozen times is only slowing it down

oops. sorry. didn't see it on the page 1 summary,

the behavioral changes listed in the change notes became the start of an ongoing project never listed in the plans cuz i never knew it was possible to make those changes, but researching what goes into making making more slaves lead me to a ton of behavior packages with follow distances to play with .

yes, its a nuisance when the slaves bump the player while sneaking, but i prefer that over the slaves hanging so far back they're not around for the battle that's coming. in the meantime i'll keep tinkering with their behaviors until i find something in the middle that neither holds back out of site range nor pushes the player

Honestly, I find that the current implementation, where the slaves in sneak mode are basically constantly trying to occupy the same physical space as the player, effectively breaks sneaking. It's difficult as hell to line up an arrow for a snipe shot when you're constantly getting pushed around, never mind getting close enough for a backstab, and the constant movement and occasional kick-in of the NPC collision reaction drastically raises detection chances.

On top of that, it's also broken the 'hang back from combat' behavior for non-combat slaves, as it seems that any slave in sneak mode loses all concept of the player's personal space, completely regardless of what's happening around them. So they're quite happy to slowly creep right into the middle of a pitched melee, where one mis-aimed blow from the player can leave that low-level bandit you just grabbed for sale a bloody heap on the floor.

The previous behavior was also a bit annoying, but the way any slave would simply stay in the same place from the moment the player went into sneak mode at least allowed the player to sneak through dungeons unhassled. Since the change I've more often than not found myself binding all my following slaves at the start of dungeons to replicate the effect and keep them the hell out of my way.

*pinky6225* · January 21, 2017

passing this request along from simple slavery if anybody here wants to try something like this:

interesting so anyone can walk through the door to the auction house? I can just see it where you play as a male character go to the auction block and buy one of the slaves there if that was possible
yes to the first, no to the second. I agree that that would be a logical step, but that is beyond my ability. That said, of someone wants to make such a mod using the SS market, feel free.

Maybe a patch that merged Paradise Halls Enhanced with Simple slavery? I already play with both in my loadorder

Probably with Paradise Halls: Home Sweet Home instead. Doesn't allow to buy a slave per say, but you can sell yours at the restless hunter. PAHE is mostly about capturing slaves, it all depend on CliftonJD.
if I understand these mods properly, that's incorrect. Home just gives you a place to store slaves. You need PAHE to do the enslaving. A simple patch could work like this: the player enters the SS market and the auction happens, which is the part I don't know how to implement. How to make a bidding war between NPC's and the player?

One slighty non-immersive way would be to have the player speak to the auctioneer and give the number he wants to bid, then the NPC's are assigned random numbers. If the player has the highest bid, they win. More like a silent auction. There might be a way to make the player's bid into a global or something, then call it during a scene, if globals can be called in scenes.

Anyway, if the player wins, they either use PAHE'S enslavement function to enslave their prize or maybe that can be coded into the mod. Not sure how that works.

So the basic functionality is sort of easy to work out. You'd need a lot of NPC's to use as the slaves, stick then on the platform disabled, then enable the next once one gets bought.

The HSH mod already has an auction (which it says you can bid in - not used the option myself but seen it appear) in the basement of the Inn so wouldn't jfraser be able to copy that but in the simple slavery auction house though kind of confused as i would have thought you could do everything originally mentioned in HSH (tick questline is optional, wait for 3 slaves to appear in the inn and do an auction) so seems a lot of effort

CliftonJD · January 21, 2017

Ok I understood. Alright thanks for helping out. I've tried everything in my knowledge to fix it and it didn't go well. Hopefully the next update might.

no, you're trying to get older versions, you need to be installing the current version

Love your mod...have been using different versions for two years. One request....can you make it so the slaves aren't constantly bumping into the player when following in sneak mode? Its really irritating , I much preferred to have them wait behind on the old version so you didn't have to worry about getting rammed from behind all the time.

actualy that's what's already listed as in progress, meaning repeating something already stated half dozen times is only slowing it down

oops. sorry. didn't see it on the page 1 summary,

the behavioral changes listed in the change notes became the start of an ongoing project never listed in the plans cuz i never knew it was possible to make those changes, but researching what goes into making making more slaves lead me to a ton of behavior packages with follow distances to play with .

yes, its a nuisance when the slaves bump the player while sneaking, but i prefer that over the slaves hanging so far back they're not around for the battle that's coming. in the meantime i'll keep tinkering with their behaviors until i find something in the middle that neither holds back out of site range nor pushes the player

Honestly, I find that the current implementation, where the slaves in sneak mode are basically constantly trying to occupy the same physical space as the player, effectively breaks sneaking. It's difficult as hell to line up an arrow for a snipe shot when you're constantly getting pushed around, never mind getting close enough for a backstab, and the constant movement and occasional kick-in of the NPC collision reaction drastically raises detection chances.

On top of that, it's also broken the 'hang back from combat' behavior for non-combat slaves, as it seems that any slave in sneak mode loses all concept of the player's personal space, completely regardless of what's happening around them. So they're quite happy to slowly creep right into the middle of a pitched melee, where one mis-aimed blow from the player can leave that low-level bandit you just grabbed for sale a bloody heap on the floor.

The previous behavior was also a bit annoying, but the way any slave would simply stay in the same place from the moment the player went into sneak mode at least allowed the player to sneak through dungeons unhassled. Since the change I've more often than not found myself binding all my following slaves at the start of dungeons to replicate the effect and keep them the hell out of my way.

so pahe will stay about slaves pushing the player all day then becuz you and your buddy like the new behaviors so much the devs will be reading about it everymorning - shit don't get changed if i'm busy reading your constant whining over something i've already stated and repeated over and over about

passing this request along from simple slavery if anybody here wants to try something like this:

interesting so anyone can walk through the door to the auction house? I can just see it where you play as a male character go to the auction block and buy one of the slaves there if that was possible
yes to the first, no to the second. I agree that that would be a logical step, but that is beyond my ability. That said, of someone wants to make such a mod using the SS market, feel free.

Maybe a patch that merged Paradise Halls Enhanced with Simple slavery? I already play with both in my loadorder

Probably with Paradise Halls: Home Sweet Home instead. Doesn't allow to buy a slave per say, but you can sell yours at the restless hunter. PAHE is mostly about capturing slaves, it all depend on CliftonJD.
if I understand these mods properly, that's incorrect. Home just gives you a place to store slaves. You need PAHE to do the enslaving. A simple patch could work like this: the player enters the SS market and the auction happens, which is the part I don't know how to implement. How to make a bidding war between NPC's and the player?

One slighty non-immersive way would be to have the player speak to the auctioneer and give the number he wants to bid, then the NPC's are assigned random numbers. If the player has the highest bid, they win. More like a silent auction. There might be a way to make the player's bid into a global or something, then call it during a scene, if globals can be called in scenes.

Anyway, if the player wins, they either use PAHE'S enslavement function to enslave their prize or maybe that can be coded into the mod. Not sure how that works.

So the basic functionality is sort of easy to work out. You'd need a lot of NPC's to use as the slaves, stick then on the platform disabled, then enable the next once one gets bought.

The HSH mod already has an auction (which it says you can bid in - not used the option myself but seen it appear) in the basement of the Inn so wouldn't jfraser be able to copy that but in the simple slavery auction house though kind of confused as i would have thought you could do everything originally mentioned in HSH (tick questline is optional, wait for 3 slaves to appear in the inn and do an auction) so seems a lot of effort

ok, i'll pass the word

terrorofmorrowind · January 22, 2017

so, is it still inompatible with immersibe wenches and hydras slaves? (i haven't been playig skyrim for almost a year now s i don't know what has changed yet)

CliftonJD · January 22, 2017

so, is it still inompatible with immersibe wenches and hydras slaves? (i haven't been playig skyrim for almost a year now s i don't know what has changed yet)

hydra slaves yes, but no to wenches (disable the scenes from the mcm). aside from the wenches scenes there never was an incompatibility with wenches, but i couldn't get a clear enough picture of what the issue was with them until beta testing started for version 7.0. they commonly use the young and eager voice that was in production with layam's nord quest - in 7.0 i removed those voice types to fix it and since then i've given them the dialogues of other slaves (with exception of the broken dialogues). they're almost complete, but i need to go back over them with proper voices next - for now they're atleast every bit as functional as the other slaves tho...

BlackShades · January 22, 2017

I seem to have a issue with a dialogue after enslaving a NPC.. it just says nothing after selecting "Be quiet and put this on"..

First of all thank you for sharing your work.

I seem to be having the same issue with the Female condescending voice type as the previous user. After "be quiet and put this on" and giving them a collar, they get registered as slaves, but that's just about it.Tried to look for conflicts with xedit but couldn't find any.

On an unrelated note it seems its the preferred voice type for most, if not all, mage type female leveled actors (witches,fire/ice mages etc. Worst case scenario, i'll make a patch changing their voice type).

Using the latest version on a fresh game. I will try and troubleshoot it myself for a bit and will post back with more details.

Edit: Maybe this has something to do with it?

Checking for Errors in [16] paradise_halls.esm

[00:00] [iNFO:1600F0C4] (in GRUP Topic Children of PahPdCondescendingJCInformEnslavedTopic "Listen, You're a slave now, I own you, do you understand?" [DIAL:1600F0AA])