Maria Eden

[shiagwen]

How can i add items to the ME -smiths selling list ?

[Moonpaw]

How exactly would you become a slave to your follower? What are the requirements, how can i volunteer to become my follower's slave? how do i know when im my followers slave? Will she give me orders like when you whore yourself out and the customer tells you what to do? Id appreciate it a lot if someone could elaborate

[jfraser]

How exactly would you become a slave to your follower? What are the requirements, how can i volunteer to become my follower's slave? how do i know when im my followers slave? Will she give me orders like when you whore yourself out and the customer tells you what to do? Id appreciate it a lot if someone could elaborate

first you talk to them and tell them you like them and want to keep in touch with them. That adds then to the potential masters list. Then you talk to them again and tell them you want them to be your master.

 

I don't recall the exact verbiage, but that's the gist.

[Moonpaw]

 

How exactly would you become a slave to your follower? What are the requirements, how can i volunteer to become my follower's slave? how do i know when im my followers slave? Will she give me orders like when you whore yourself out and the customer tells you what to do? Id appreciate it a lot if someone could elaborate

first you talk to them and tell them you like them and want to keep in touch with them. That adds then to the potential masters list. Then you talk to them again and tell them you want them to be your master.

 

I don't recall the exact verbiage, but that's the gist.

 

 

would you be kind enough to show screenshots as reference?

[donttouchmethere]

 

 

How exactly would you become a slave to your follower? What are the requirements, how can i volunteer to become my follower's slave? how do i know when im my followers slave? Will she give me orders like when you whore yourself out and the customer tells you what to do? Id appreciate it a lot if someone could elaborate

first you talk to them and tell them you like them and want to keep in touch with them. That adds then to the potential masters list. Then you talk to them again and tell them you want them to be your master.

 

I don't recall the exact verbiage, but that's the gist.

 

 

would you be kind enough to show screenshots as reference?

 

 

you cant be a ME slave to a vanilla system controlled follower

you can try this:

> dismiss your follower -> ask your follower if it wants you to be its slave (check DIalog, ME followers/pimps/slavers are not vanilla system controlled followers)

or

> dismiss your follower -> ask it if it wants to follow you via ME follower dialog (dont know what it is on english, but its not the: follow me, i need your help) -> you will get an ME follower (frees up one slot for vanilla followers too) -> you can ask your ME follower now everytime if it wants you as a slave

 

[GeorgiaCav]

 

you cant be a ME slave to a vanilla system controlled follower

you can try this:

> dismiss your follower -> ask your follower if it wants you to be its slave (check DIalog, ME followers/pimps/slavers are not vanilla system controlled followers)

or

> dismiss your follower -> ask it if it wants to follow you via ME follower dialog (dont know what it is on english, but its not the: follow me, i need your help) -> you will get an ME follower (frees up one slot for vanilla followers too) -> you can ask your ME follower now everytime if it wants you as a slave

 

Under "May I ask you something?" there should be an option that says something like "Won't you come with me?" I believe that's the option that makes the npc a follower. Then they will have an option "I have an idea..." that will allow slavery, prostitution, whore jobs, etc. 

 

The other options under "May I ask you something?" :

 

- "I like you very much, I hope we meet again" -- adds npc to pimp list, which means they can buy you at auction; or "I've changed my mind, I don't want to meet" if you want to remove them from the pimp list. If you're using MO, adding npc to the pimp list generates a .json which you can then activate as a mod by choosing "create mod" in the left pane (doesn't count against the 255 esp limit as it's just a json file).

 

- "I want to make a lot of money fast" -- turns the npc into your pimp (prostitution)

 

- "I submit myself to you. Let me be your slave" -- self-explanatory, turns the npc into consensual slavery master/mistress

 

There may be other options under "May I ask you something" depending on the relationship level of the player to the npc and such things as whether the npc is a trainer, etc. 

[Moonpaw]

 

 

you cant be a ME slave to a vanilla system controlled follower

you can try this:

> dismiss your follower -> ask your follower if it wants you to be its slave (check DIalog, ME followers/pimps/slavers are not vanilla system controlled followers)

or

> dismiss your follower -> ask it if it wants to follow you via ME follower dialog (dont know what it is on english, but its not the: follow me, i need your help) -> you will get an ME follower (frees up one slot for vanilla followers too) -> you can ask your ME follower now everytime if it wants you as a slave

 

Under "May I ask you something?" there should be an option that says something like "Won't you come with me?" I believe that's the option that makes the npc a follower. Then they will have an option "I have an idea..." that will allow slavery, prostitution, whore jobs, etc. 

 

The other options under "May I ask you something?" :

 

- "I like you very much, I hope we meet again" -- adds npc to pimp list, which means they can buy you at auction; or "I've changed my mind, I don't want to meet" if you want to remove them from the pimp list. If you're using MO, adding npc to the pimp list generates a .json which you can then activate as a mod by choosing "create mod" in the left pane (doesn't count against the 255 esp limit as it's just a json file).

 

- "I want to make a lot of money fast" -- turns the npc into your pimp (prostitution)

 

- "I submit myself to you. Let me be your slave" -- self-explanatory, turns the npc into consensual slavery master/mistress

 

There may be other options under "May I ask you something" depending on the relationship level of the player to the npc and such things as whether the npc is a trainer, etc. 

 

 

So in essence, i cant pick a follower from a follower mod and submit myself to them, i have to recruit a "normal" non follower npc as my follower and then try to be their ME slave?

 

[GeorgiaCav]

 

 

 

you cant be a ME slave to a vanilla system controlled follower

you can try this:

> dismiss your follower -> ask your follower if it wants you to be its slave (check DIalog, ME followers/pimps/slavers are not vanilla system controlled followers)

or

> dismiss your follower -> ask it if it wants to follow you via ME follower dialog (dont know what it is on english, but its not the: follow me, i need your help) -> you will get an ME follower (frees up one slot for vanilla followers too) -> you can ask your ME follower now everytime if it wants you as a slave

 

Under "May I ask you something?" there should be an option that says something like "Won't you come with me?" I believe that's the option that makes the npc a follower. Then they will have an option "I have an idea..." that will allow slavery, prostitution, whore jobs, etc. 

 

The other options under "May I ask you something?" :

 

- "I like you very much, I hope we meet again" -- adds npc to pimp list, which means they can buy you at auction; or "I've changed my mind, I don't want to meet" if you want to remove them from the pimp list. If you're using MO, adding npc to the pimp list generates a .json which you can then activate as a mod by choosing "create mod" in the left pane (doesn't count against the 255 esp limit as it's just a json file).

 

- "I want to make a lot of money fast" -- turns the npc into your pimp (prostitution)

 

- "I submit myself to you. Let me be your slave" -- self-explanatory, turns the npc into consensual slavery master/mistress

 

There may be other options under "May I ask you something" depending on the relationship level of the player to the npc and such things as whether the npc is a trainer, etc. 

 

 

So in essence, i cant pick a follower from a follower mod and submit myself to them, i have to recruit a "normal" non follower npc as my follower and then try to be their ME slave?

 

You should be able to do that. I've submitted to npc's I made myself, and it's worked well. You just have to go through ME's dialogue, which should appear on every npc unless you're either a ) already in a slave faction or b ) are engaged in an ME quest of some kind.

[Moonpaw]

 

 

 

 

you cant be a ME slave to a vanilla system controlled follower

you can try this:

> dismiss your follower -> ask your follower if it wants you to be its slave (check DIalog, ME followers/pimps/slavers are not vanilla system controlled followers)

or

> dismiss your follower -> ask it if it wants to follow you via ME follower dialog (dont know what it is on english, but its not the: follow me, i need your help) -> you will get an ME follower (frees up one slot for vanilla followers too) -> you can ask your ME follower now everytime if it wants you as a slave

 

Under "May I ask you something?" there should be an option that says something like "Won't you come with me?" I believe that's the option that makes the npc a follower. Then they will have an option "I have an idea..." that will allow slavery, prostitution, whore jobs, etc. 

 

The other options under "May I ask you something?" :

 

- "I like you very much, I hope we meet again" -- adds npc to pimp list, which means they can buy you at auction; or "I've changed my mind, I don't want to meet" if you want to remove them from the pimp list. If you're using MO, adding npc to the pimp list generates a .json which you can then activate as a mod by choosing "create mod" in the left pane (doesn't count against the 255 esp limit as it's just a json file).

 

- "I want to make a lot of money fast" -- turns the npc into your pimp (prostitution)

 

- "I submit myself to you. Let me be your slave" -- self-explanatory, turns the npc into consensual slavery master/mistress

 

There may be other options under "May I ask you something" depending on the relationship level of the player to the npc and such things as whether the npc is a trainer, etc. 

 

 

So in essence, i cant pick a follower from a follower mod and submit myself to them, i have to recruit a "normal" non follower npc as my follower and then try to be their ME slave?

 

You should be able to do that. I've submitted to npc's I made myself, and it's worked well. You just have to go through ME's dialogue, which should appear on every npc unless you're either a ) already in a slave faction or b ) are engaged in an ME quest of some kind.

 

 

how do i know if im in a slave faction/enslaved and how do i undo that?

 

[Moonpaw]

I dont get this mod at all. I dont get any of these dialogue options and i dont even know how to make someone a pimp. It would be great if there was a guide of sorts. Its not very well explained

 

I also dont have any spells that were mentioned in the mod description. I cant turn anyone into a pimp. Am I missing something? I also have other slavery related mods like sanguine debauchery+, simple slavery and deviously enslaved, deviously helpless. Are there any conflicts? This mod just isnt working right for me

[GeorgiaCav]

 

 

 

You should be able to do that. I've submitted to npc's I made myself, and it's worked well. You just have to go through ME's dialogue, which should appear on every npc unless you're either a ) already in a slave faction or b ) are engaged in an ME quest of some kind.

 

 

how do i know if im in a slave faction/enslaved and how do i undo that?

 

Your first clue will be that the "May I ask you something?" dialogue does not appear. If that happens:

 

1. Check ME's Cheating menu (in the radial menu, it's left arrow by default but you must set this preference in ME's MCM menu when you start ME) and see if there's a whore job in progress (under Stop quest). If not, click the "Release player" option and it should restore the "May I ask you something?" dialogue option.

 

2. If it still doesn't appear, or if the cheat options wouldn't let you select them (which means there is no ME quest under way), then go into console by hitting the ~ key and type

 

player.addfac xx0096ae -1 and hit enter

player.addfac xx0096b1 -1 and hit enter

 

where xx is the index code for Zaz Animation Pack. OR: To get the whole id number, type 

 

help slave

 

in the console and PAGE UP and PAGE DN through the options to find zbfFactionSlave and zbfFactionSlaveState (I think those are the faction names, could be slightly different). Warning: there will probably be a LOT of results; you are looking for the FACT category.

 

To be safe, I generally go ahead and make sure I'm not in ME's forced prostitution faction; to find it enter 

 

help forced

 

in the console and look for something like MariaEdenForcedProstitution. The last six characters of the ID code are a41a57, I think. Then do the "player.addfac <factionID> -1" command in console as above.

 

If this doesn't restore the "May I ask you something?" dialogue to the NPC, then check other NPC's. If none of them have it, you've probably installed ME incorrectly.

 

ALL ME DIALOGUES ARE HANDLED THROUGH EITHER "MAY I ASK YOU SOMETHING?" OR "DO YOU HAVE A WELL PAYING JOB FOR ME?" (INNKEEPERS ONLY). If you are having trouble getting ME's dialogues, that's where they are; if the options don't appear, follow the steps above. 

[Moonpaw]

 

 

 

 

You should be able to do that. I've submitted to npc's I made myself, and it's worked well. You just have to go through ME's dialogue, which should appear on every npc unless you're either a ) already in a slave faction or b ) are engaged in an ME quest of some kind.

 

 

how do i know if im in a slave faction/enslaved and how do i undo that?

 

Your first clue will be that the "May I ask you something?" dialogue does not appear. If that happens:

 

1. Check ME's Cheating menu (in the radial menu, it's left arrow by default but you must set this preference in ME's MCM menu when you start ME) and see if there's a whore job in progress (under Stop quest). If not, click the "Release player" option and it should restore the "May I ask you something?" dialogue option.

 

2. If it still doesn't appear, or if the cheat options wouldn't let you select them (which means there is no ME quest under way), then go into console by hitting the ~ key and type

 

player.addfac xx0096ae -1 and hit enter

player.addfac xx0096b1 -1 and hit enter

 

where xx is the index code for Zaz Animation Pack. OR: To get the whole id number, type 

 

help slave

 

in the console and PAGE UP and PAGE DN through the options to find zbfFactionSlave and zbfFactionSlaveState (I think those are the faction names, could be slightly different). Warning: there will probably be a LOT of results; you are looking for the FACT category.

 

To be safe, I generally go ahead and make sure I'm not in ME's forced prostitution faction; to find it enter 

 

help forced

 

in the console and look for something like MariaEdenForcedProstitution. The last six characters of the ID code are a41a57, I think. Then do the "player.addfac <factionID> -1" command in console as above.

 

If this doesn't restore the "May I ask you something?" dialogue to the NPC, then check other NPC's. If none of them have it, you've probably installed ME incorrectly.

 

ALL ME DIALOGUES ARE HANDLED THROUGH EITHER "MAY I ASK YOU SOMETHING?" OR "DO YOU HAVE A WELL PAYING JOB FOR ME?" (INNKEEPERS ONLY). If you are having trouble getting ME's dialogues, that's where they are; if the options don't appear, follow the steps above. 

 

 

Whoa thanks a lot, i did what you asked and im getting that "May I ask you something" dialogue option. I havent seen that option before for any NPC i talked to, at least as far as i remember. Still dont have any of those "pimp spells" mentioned in the mod description though

[GeorgiaCav]

I'm not aware of any ME spells specifically for pimping, but then I never play as a pimp. You become a pimp to an NPC by making her your companion through ME, then using ME's companion dialogue options to turn her into a whore.

 

1. "May I ask you something?"

2. "Will you not come with me?" -- This makes the npc your companion. (START: AN ENCHANTING FOLLOWER)

3. "I have an idea..." -- This is ME's companion dialogue option, and opens up a menu of more dialogue options from which you can select various things for the companion to do. You can make her your whore, your pimp, or your mistress.

4. "Whore for me..." or something to that effect: this will add some dialogue options to the npc, such as "Payday!..." (collect gold she's earned), or "Stay here and sell yourself" (haven't tried it, presumably the npc "waits" and does whore jobs)

 

I do know that ME-created whores will do actual whore jobs while you're around. You can watch them, but I'm not aware of any way to intervene. Again, I usually play as a whore or a slave, because that's what the mod is mostly for-- to give the player character the option of being a slave/whore in Skyrim and suffering BDSM and humiliation at the hands of npc's.

 

The "spells" you mention are probably the Builder spells. There are two of them, Builder and Builder (Self). Builder is used to alter npc's, making them pimps, slavers, pimps' assistants, or guests (through the "Add to random NPC list" option). Builder (Self) is used to create brothels, place furniture, and populate brothels with guests drawn from the random NPC list.

 

There are a couple of other spells that have nothing to do with prostitution: "Rape victim" will cause aroused NPC's in the area to rape you. "Seduction" will force the targeted NPC to rape you regardless of arousal.

 

Those are the only spells I can think of that ME adds. Again, my experience with playing as a pimp is EXTREMELY limited.

[GeorgiaCav]

Oh, and ME and other mods like SD+ and SS do not get along. If you play with those other mods active, you are asking for a ton of headaches. I use all of them as well, and it's been a two-year learning experience figuring out things like the factions trick and how to handle it when you get devices clapped on you that you can't remove! It can be done, but you have to be patient and expect a lot of bugs. If you don't have that kind of patience, it's probably better to use separate Mod Organizer profiles, one for ME and its dependencies exclusively and one for SD, DD, SS, etc. 

 

Also, since Zaira has warned repeatedly that these mods are incompatible, you can't expect a lot of help around here if you insist on running them all together. This is understandable since nobody can keep up with all the bugs introduced by running mods together that aren't meant to be run together. You will have to be willing to learn a lot through trial and error. (Besides, Zaira has more important things to do, like getting ME 2.5 ready!)

 

 

(Also: be aware that if you get enslaved by SD+, you will probably lose the "May I ask you something?" dialogue until you do the player.addfac thing to get yourself out of the slave factions again. This will happen every time, but the fix has always worked IME. Skyrimll is aware of the problem of SD+ not releasing the pc from slave factions and has tried to correct it in the last few iterations of SD+, but it still happens for me. Again, it's just part of the price for running mods that really shouldn't be run together.)

[Moonpaw]

Oh, and ME and other mods like SD+ and SS do not get along. If you play with those other mods active, you are asking for a ton of headaches. I use all of them as well, and it's been a two-year learning experience figuring out things like the factions trick and how to handle it when you get devices clapped on you that you can't remove! It can be done, but you have to be patient and expect a lot of bugs. If you don't have that kind of patience, it's probably better to use separate Mod Organizer profiles, one for ME and its dependencies exclusively and one for SD, DD, SS, etc. 

 

Also, since Zaira has warned repeatedly that these mods are incompatible, you can't expect a lot of help around here if you insist on running them all together. This is understandable since nobody can keep up with all the bugs introduced by running mods together that aren't meant to be run together. You will have to be willing to learn a lot through trial and error. (Besides, Zaira has more important things to do, like getting ME 2.5 ready!)

 

 

(Also: be aware that if you get enslaved by SD+, you will probably lose the "May I ask you something?" dialogue until you do the player.addfac thing to get yourself out of the slave factions again. This will happen every time, but the fix has always worked IME. Skyrimll is aware of the problem of SD+ not releasing the pc from slave factions and has tried to correct it in the last few iterations of SD+, but it still happens for me. Again, it's just part of the price for running mods that really shouldn't be run together.)

 

 

i wasnt aware of that. I mainly tried out SD+ because it allows being a slave to creatures (like dogs) and i found that exciting. But i guess sacrifices have to be made

[GeorgiaCav]

It's either you sacrifice a mod or you sacrifice your sanity.

 

Me, I chose to let go of sanity, because I like both ME and SD+ because they do different things well and different things poorly, and I have particular enough tastes in these matters that I can't really choose one over the other at this point.

 

SD+ Pros:

Enslavement feels like enslavement: brutal and very much against one's will. 

Enslavement mechanism is natural and immersive. Still offers an opportunity for consensual enslavement, which turns out to be just as brutal as non-consensual. 

"Owner" is such a cool way to identify one's... well, owner.

If you get enslaved, your owner's daily routine will change very little, except that they will get a travel package to take you somewhere else if you're outside for 24+ hours. They will stay in their homes and keep you there with them.

Enslavement scars the psyche and renders the victim vulnerable to future attack and enslavement.

Getting enslaved to creatures can be quite cool.

 

SD+ Cons:

Owners staying in one place means that if you step outside the cell they're in, you will suffer consequences. (Really, this could just as easily go under "Pros.")

You will be doing the same thing over and over again. Skyrimll is in the process of adding more varied jobs, but atm this is still a wip.

Punishment scenes are hit or miss. If you enjoy seeing your pc get strung up and whipped, it can happen in SD+, but it's hard to get it to happen and impossible to make it happen consistently.

Getting enslaved to creatures can be cool, but it can also be absurd and/or buggy. (There are options to obviate the former; the latter, not always so much.)

At the beginning, you will be arm-bound, which limits the number of poses and furniture you can use, as well as SL anims unless you have SL, DD, and ZaP options set correctly.

Requires DDi and everything that ME hates in order to run.

 

ME Pros:

Ease of use (yes, really -- once you learn a few tricks)

Flexibility -- there are SO many choices and so many things to do, so many jobs that involve so much good nasty stuff

Consistency -- everything works the same way each time

You can always trigger pretty much any type of scene you want -- whipping, rape, whore jobs, bestiality, exhibitionism -- consistently and easily. (I love seeing my pc tied to a crux and whipped to within an inch of her life -- ME lets me do that pretty much any time I want.)

The special client jobs as a whore are worth the download and installation by themselves. 

Did I mention the sheer variety of little quests -- like when you get enslaved and your owner takes you shopping for the items he/she will use to torment you...

 

ME Cons:

Becoming an npc's slave changes their AI package such that they begin to want certain things -- this is fine in general but it leads to the single most annoying thing (to me personally) about ME: if you are enslaved, your owner will become a whiny teenage bitch, complaining about being bored or being wet and insisting on going to inns *every night* and even teleporting you there -- this is the single biggest issue I have with the mod, because it means that no matter to whom you may submit yourself, even if it's the jarls or some respectable housewife or a bandit chief, is going to drag you to an inn every night. Some of the whiny teenage bitchiness may be a result of translation, but the teleporting to an inn is annoying -- it means you can't get ME-enslaved just anywhere, like at a Forsworn redoubt, and it means that the npc will *break character* to go to an inn. (Why would Jarl Elisif the Fair insist on going to The Winking Skeever every night? And then never want to leave?)

Also, ME is totally incompatible with the Devious Devices, probably the single framework most used by LL mods outside of SL itself -- Zaira has his reasons and I do not possess the technical background to understand them, but his product is so good that I trust him when he says that it would prevent him from doing the things he wants to do in the mod. (If anyone is reading this and feels the need to pick at the scab of this debate, I am asking you right now, please do not do that. I'm not trying to start anything, just expressing an opinion and giving my own reasons why I do the things I do in contravention of everyone's sound advice not to try to run both mods together.) However, the conflict between ME and DD can result in a number of unpleasant bugs, such as armbinders that cannot be removed except via console (if even then).

 

Now this is obviously my personal preferences, and just as obviously the cons of each mod hasn't driven me away from either of them or from the sometimes tedious task of running them together. But it just goes to show that there are reasons people keep both ME and SD+ (or Pet Collar, or whatever else) in their LO's despite their constant conflicts. They do different things well, and different things poorly (subjectively speaking, as a matter of opinion).

 

 

[Shiress]

Getting enslaved to creatures can be quite cool.

 

You know, I was genuinely never aware that SD had that kind of feature.  So, do non-sentient creatures have dialogue trees at all, or do they have the same one like any other owner that enslaves the PC?

[GeorgiaCav]

 

Getting enslaved to creatures can be quite cool.

 

You know, I was genuinely never aware that SD had that kind of feature.  So, do non-sentient creatures have dialogue trees at all, or do they have the same one like any other owner that enslaves the PC?

 

There's pretty much nothing you can do with a creature owner -- they don't get dialogues, or they get only limited ones. A creature will not release you, all you can do is whine or whimper at it and hope for the best.

 

Enslavement to Falmers is a bit more involved, but not much. It can be fun for a while, though -- likewise enslavement to Draugr. You will need SD Addons (available at the SD+ dl page) but the variety of beasts that can and will try to enslave you is impressive -- everything from dogs to rieklings to netches.

[zaira]

Thanks for this detailed criticisms - I will take them into account for the next version. E.g. I 'll restrict tavern visits to certain factions and locations. I 'll remove the  force to follow your owner into the tavern if your relationship is high - but letting him go alone will decrease his mood - with the known consequences if you do it to often.

[Moonpaw]

It would be really great if you could include a non humanoid owner functionality too but thats probably a huge task.

[GeorgiaCav]

Thanks for this detailed criticisms - I will take them into account for the next version. E.g. I 'll restrict tavern visits to certain factions and locations. I 'll remove the  force to follow your owner into the tavern if your relationship is high - but letting him go alone will decrease his mood - with the known consequences if you do it to often.

 

You're welcome -- thanks for a great mod.

 

Those changes will certainly help me achieve what I'm trying to do -- I'm really looking forward to the next release.

[GeorgiaCav]

Also, the issue I was having with the master walking away from the slave when she was about to get whipped: 

 

I uninstalled ZaP 7.0 and reverted to 6.22.1 and it worked. I'm going to keep testing, but it looks like there may be an issue with whipping -- perhaps animations triggered by dialogue or actions in general -- and ZaP 7.0...
 

Can anyone else confirm this? Has anyone else had issues with voluntary whipping or the master/pimp walking away from the pc with ZaP 7.0 installed?

 

EDIT: After further testing, reverting to 6.22.1 has fixed the issue.

 

I know one of the changes Zaz made was to furniture, but I thought it was just about preventing duplicate bindings from being applied to the character entering a device. Could that have done it? I don't know enough about the coding of this stuff to know, but I tend to think it wouldn't have anything to do with it ... but I've been wrong before.

 

I didn't do a clean save when I installed ZaP 7.0 so perhaps I should do that...?

[383271557]

Great mod, there's huge space for users to explore

But

My builder spell seems to be unable to work properly, I shoot the spell on the target, but there's no further reaction, nothing happens. Do I need to set the area as a cell or I'm missing something?

 

[shiagwen]

i come back to the whore job whipping the male john.  the dialogue for this just does not show up in the list of whore jobs. the female does show up. every job has only one line of dialogue, so it cant be list full and no place for it. so what is it ?

[GeorgiaCav]

i come back to the whore job whipping the male john.  the dialogue for this just does not show up in the list of whore jobs. the female does show up. every job has only one line of dialogue, so it cant be list full and no place for it. so what is it ?

 

It's weird and not obvious. You have to be doing a job that you can choose (ie not forced) near the correct furniture, which I think is an X-cross. The dialogue option is "Would you like to bind me to a cross?" -- which seems like it would do the opposite, but always ends up for me with the john on the cross and my pc holding the whip.