Why Bethesda only make ugly female?

[ralfetas]

Just to collect opinions, but why all bethesda woman are ugly? I mean, FO4 made a good job on female face for my taste, but the body is terrible.

I see mass effect with miranda ass, edi camel toe, ashley with her sexy mouth, in metal gear the girls can have open chest "armor", the list goes on... and bethesda give us that.

 

Why? Opinions?

[spoonsinger]

Why do bethesda only make ugly elves? (or any other race for that matter.)

[Jayce Dimmer]

...I like how Bethesda's been doing the characters.

 

The better question, is why do the women have to be sexy? A game ain't some porno.

[Vaelorian]

Because it's not a sound business investment.

 

Bethesda already knows that modders will make what appeals to them. Years and years of evidence are there and they couldn't possibly miss it.

So why spend the time to create something that could prove controversial and be less family-friendly?

 

Development time needs to directly translate to profit, and in the case of a Bethesda game I don't think the basic body meshes were ever a deal breaker.

So why spend the time?

[bjornk]

Because Todd plays their games in 1st person view (i.e. doesn't care about how his character looks) and he needs things to kill, preferably ugly things.

 

I kind of disagree with the question in the title though, they do attempt to create sexy females (see Aela etc.), it's just that their attempts often fail.

 

The better question, is why do the women have to be sexy? A game ain't some porno.

 

LOL. Why do women need to look sexy IRL? Because they are all porn actresses?

[Snazzishoez]

I think they do a pretty good job in making characters.  If you try to compare them to a game like say Mass Effect with Miranda, well, that game isn't mod friendly for the most part.  Then you have Bethesda games which are mod friendly and have Creation Kits made for them so the consumers can make what they like.  You also have to take into account that they are making this for multiple platforms and it has to be performance friendly for someone who can only afford a basic PC or they only have a console to work with.  That have to balance things out before they actually release it. 

 

I'm sure the people making the game are more than capable of making gorgeous looking characters.

[Loveryus]

I think Bethesda are doing a way better job than other game developers, who oversexualize their females and sell the games like it was softporn. Having natural looking female characters that don't make you want to fuck them immediately are much easier to take serious than meeting pornstars everywhere. So unless you're into porn a lot you might enjoy the game more if it's not oversexualized imo.

[Jayce Dimmer]

LOL. Why do women need to look sexy IRL? Because they are all porn actresses?

 

Simple. They don't need to.

[ralfetas]

Because it's not a sound business investment.

 

Bethesda already knows that modders will make what appeals to them. Years and years of evidence are there and they couldn't possibly miss it.

So why spend the time to create something that could prove controversial and be less family-friendly?

 

Development time needs to directly translate to profit, and in the case of a Bethesda game I don't think the basic body meshes were ever a deal breaker.

So why spend the time?

This is a good point.

 

 

I think Bethesda are doing a way better job than other game developers, who oversexualize their females and sell the games like it was softporn. Having natural looking female characters that don't make you want to fuck them immediately are much easier to take serious than meeting pornstars everywhere. So unless you're into porn a lot you might enjoy the game more if it's not oversexualized imo.

Is not because the female looks good that i will play with a erection or she will look like a pornstar, i can talk just about me, but i play with female because i want to see something nice, good looking.

 

And yes, most trash games have some oversexualize female on the front page, in special trash mobile game.

 

 

[LeFlemard]

Well, fallout 4 use unified bodies (if I understood Caliente correctly), so the male and female character use the sames bones, tis a choice that lessen the cpu usage so it's low pc friendly, but it can cause ugliness, for some peoples.

[bjornk]

Since when the opposite of "ugly" is "pornstar", seriously? 

 

Bethesda has been doing a very crappy job in creating good looking characters. I could easy create better looking characters in DA:O which is an older game than Skyrim. Remember the compression artifacts (i.e. the blocky noses) on characters faces in vanilla Skyrim? How could something like that pass the QA? It clearly shows that they don't give a damn about it. What about the female characters in FO4, are those the best you can get in a 2015 game? When compared to other games of this year, such as The Witcher 3,  that's obviously not true.

 

 

LOL. Why do women need to look sexy IRL? Because they are all porn actresses?

 

Simple. They don't need to.

 

The women around you are either ugly or a pornstar then.

[Jayce Dimmer]

 

 

LOL. Why do women need to look sexy IRL? Because they are all porn actresses?

 

Simple. They don't need to.

 

The women around you are either ugly or a pornstar then.

 

 

You thusly state that women need to look sexy; that they have to.

 

Believe it or not, women have no obligation to, at all times, give you an erection.

[Sural Argonus]

I don't think women in games, movies or other media NEED to look sexy or hot or whatever.   

HOWEVER, I don't think Bethesda has made overly ugly women, tho.

Then again, I have an odd sense of what I find attractive in a woman.  I have always thought Julia Roberts was foul looking.  Jennifer Lopez looks trashy to me, yet Kathy Ireland is beautiful.

I also don't believe beauty is on the surface either.  YEah yeah, I know...women have heard all that before.  Sounds like a line.  Whatever.    I couldn't care less how physically attractive a woman is.. If she's a disgusting bitch, she's ugly to me.  That's why I hate the Fatassians.

[leatherliz]

I just wish Jay Leno Chin-itis wasn't the most common mutation in the wasteland. Trashcan Carla is by far the most egregious offender. Maybe it's confirmation bias, but it seems like there's massive chins everywhere.

[sen4mi]

Perhaps I should mention that low-end machines require low-end models, and low-poly models have lines which artists have to work with.

 

Also, of course, there are issues of contrast, and differing tastes, and "personality".

 

(Which perhaps accounts for how so many mods labeled "better" or other common adjectives are often "worse".)

[vram1974]

I've had this argument since release (I bought the game on Day 1). First thing that upset me was the body.

 

Vanilla body for all Beth games are horrible but there's no excuse in 2015 not to provide some real customization. Oblivion vanilla body was like an Auschwitz survivor.

 

Some people think Fallout 4 vanilla body is realistic but frankly if women all looked like that in real life I would probably still be single.

 

I married a woman with big hips, small waist, big tits. She's not a porn star, she's not a whore. She's a real person who has real curves. She exists. In the real world! Why can't I make a woman like that in a 2015 video game? 

[bjornk]

 

 

 

LOL. Why do women need to look sexy IRL? Because they are all porn actresses?

 

Simple. They don't need to.

 

The women around you are either ugly or a pornstar then.

 

 

You thusly state that women need to look sexy; that they have to.

 

Believe it or not, women have no obligation to, at all times, give you an erection.

 

Believe it or not, women want to give you an erection, it's no obligation, just how sexual reproduction works in nature.

[GimmeBACON]

You say ugly, yet, described the semi-exposed private parts, and not the beauty of a character as a whole. If a woman has a pretty face, and an average body, is she "ugly" to you? Miranda has a world-class ass, but, her whole character design is equally as stunning. On topic, while I agree that the vanilla character creation is lackluster, they divert more of their time toward quests, and open world, which, thanks to modding, I can easily say is more important then them working purely on aesthetics. 

 

I also want to point out that Mass Effect is a sexually over toned game to a much higher degree then Bethesdas recent games, which is why they work toward graphics. I also want to point out the map size difference between it and Fallout 4 or Skyrim, Bioware didn't have to commit as much to world creation or quests.

[FauxFurry]

I wouldn't say that they are all ugly by any stretch of the imagination but the options for customizing female bodies in Bethesda games always suffers because male characters are always the default.

The triangle slider works wonderfully for male characters but doesn't allow enough refinement of uniquely feminine curves.

 

Then again,this problem isn't just found in BethSoft games.

Most games with customization don't go beyond which ever sliders enable a wide array of masculine shapes if they allow for alteration of the base build at all.

Just look at Xenoblade Chronicles X and Dragon Age Inquisition for further examples of this flaw going unaddressed while games like the Saint's Row series and Dragon's Dogma avoid this issue entirely by giving both genders the same wide range of sliders or their own slider sets(in the latter game's case,it might be because female was the developer preferred gender in-game).

[panthercom]

 I think the vanilla skin textures are contributing to the ugliness as much as the character

designs.

 

 The first time I played Skyrim I had no mods at all. I managed to create a character who

didn't look like she had been run over by a horse and cart, after much time and effort. When

I installed a decent skin texture mod she went from being so-so to pretty damn sexy.

[Silver Wolf]

Your default wife, Piper, Curie, Des sure aren't ugly.

One of the most basic rules of design is the rule of Emphasis. It's true to characters design too: If everyone is pretty then none of them become memorable and/or impressive. 

[ralfetas]

The face is OK, with a little time you can make good looking woman, of course they are not hollywood stars, far from it, but the body is terrible...

 

Curvy Woman Vs Muscle Man, you can make a gogoboy guy, but cannot make a curvy woman, why?

[DocClox]

I think with F4 they wanted the women to be credible but not to do anything that might criticism from our Moral Guardians. So we have reasonable proportions, dirty skin textures and matching undies that make it hard to tell the boy raiders from the girl raiders when you've done looting them all.

 

They're just playing it safe. Got to protect the game's public image until the holiday season is past.

[Revuu]

Personally, I didn't find Miranda attractive. Her facial shape just didn't do it for me. She was more handsome than beautiful.

 

Also, gotta love all the poorly written English in the thread. I can't actually make sense of it all gramatically, but it seems to be trying to justify, "Plz i make sex character i see arse all day".

 

But in all seriousness, it depends what you find attractive in a woman. Now, I'm female, but I know what turns me on. And, frankly, a female BoS Knight in full power armor (yeah, the NPCs) where I can't even see their face is far more attractive to be than some hourglass person. I mean, bonus points if she has an awesome figure too, but TBH battle scars would be sexier.

 

Why? Because, as a female, power is attractive. It's probably Freudian-subconsciously that I want them to have power OVER me, but I just see it as meaning that I can rely on them. I can trust them. And nothing says power like Power Armor, or full body armor, hard eyes and battle scars. It's sexy to me in women and in men.

 

And I like to imagine that maybe some of you guys (actually THINKING guys, rather than just drooling over ass and tits) are also drawn to these features in their Wasteland women. Face it, in the Wasteland one of the most important things in a partner is that they can handle themselves. Painted nails, perfect hair, makeup? Has she ever even FIRED a gun? Does she know how to survive? You don't want a woman that will cry and hide from a ghoul, you want one that will calmly remove it with a shotgun. You guard their back, they guard yours. While you're away from the home out scavenging, you want to be secure in the knowledge that she'll have dinner ready for you and killed every raider that came near the house. And you'd do the same while she was out scavenging.

 

 

... Then again, I'm talking about females you'd actually RESPECT in the game, females you could LOVE, romance, care about. Fuck-toys don't really count in this analysis. I guess you're okay to keep your fucktoys looking like dolls, as you don't WANT them to be real people.

 

 

 

Ultra nerd 'Super Fucking Hot' women gallery. Pretty, but not beautiful. It's the context that makes them hot.

 

          

 

 

 

[AlericoftheNords]

...I like how Bethesda's been doing the characters.

 

The better question, is why do the women have to be sexy? A game ain't some porno.

 

So taking your logic forward, in your opinion, the default -Male- Commander Shepherd in Mass Effect 2-3 was a pornstar because he happened to be a fit and attractive man?

 

 

 

 

 

You thusly state that women need to look sexy; that they have to.

 

Believe it or not, women have no obligation to, at all times, give you an erection.

 

 

 

So you would prefer 'most' -Male- characters in video games to be overweight, ungroomed, old, and generally homely in appearance?  Oddly, I doubt you would.  And let's be honest, any such Male hero would not be taken seriously if that's what he looked like.

 

Regardless, you are deliberately ignoring the point.

 

What the OP is talking about, really, is very poor and very 'unappealing' character creation on Bethesda's part in general.  And frankly it isn't just their women, it's their entire character assembly in general.  They use very bland textures, and very poor meshes/skeletons.  Compare the quality of their characters, overall, to those of the Witcher 3 or Mass Effect, and the difference is frankly quite laughable considering the budget Bethesda is working with.

 

Again, I think the 'ugly' characters really just comes down to Bethesda and their notoriously bad graphics, animations, and textures.  Let's be honest, Piper and the Defaut Wife would actually look pretty damn good with some proper, modern texture and mesh work.