saviliana Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Because in the background of the history period of both games, feminie product either not exist yet, or in shortage, so why bother to have a beautful model?
Aria Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 ...I like how Bethesda's been doing the characters. The better question, is why do the women have to be sexy? A game ain't some porno. So taking your logic forward, in your opinion, the default -Male- Commander Shepherd in Mass Effect 2-3 was a pornstar because he happened to be a fit and attractive man? You thusly state that women need to look sexy; that they have to. Believe it or not, women have no obligation to, at all times, give you an erection. So you would prefer 'most' -Male- characters in video games to be overweight, ungroomed, old, and generally homely in appearance? Oddly, I doubt you would. And let's be honest, any such Male hero would not be taken seriously if that's what he looked like. Regardless, you are deliberately ignoring the point. What the OP is talking about, really, is very poor and very 'unappealing' character creation on Bethesda's part in general. And frankly it isn't just their women, it's their entire character assembly in general. They use very bland textures, and very poor meshes/skeletons. Compare the quality of their characters, overall, to those of the Witcher 3 or Mass Effect, and the difference is frankly quite laughable considering the budget Bethesda is working with. Again, I think the 'ugly' characters really just comes down to Bethesda and their notoriously bad graphics, animations, and textures. Let's be honest, Piper and the Defaut Wife would actually look pretty damn good with some proper, modern texture and mesh work. Its a trend, anything concerning women is all about sexism nowadays
Leito86 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 You have to keep in mind they are creating hundreds of characters from the same face and texture. There's only so many pleasant looking faces you can make with those constraints before things start going downhill. There's a trade off that you'll have to accept between a game like Fallout 4 where you can create whatever look you want and a game like say...The Witcher 3 where the characters look great but you can only play as 1 face. There's also the issue of shaders but that's another story.
Jexsam Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Simplest answer is your standards are too high the settings of the Fallout and Elder Scrolls universe really aren't conducive to super-sexy looks. They could stand to shoot a little higher, I think, but by and large they design their characters as they do because artistically it better fits what kind of world they want to put across. Also, lol @ the claiming modders have anything to do with it. We'd mod it with something more suiting our tastes regardless of what Bethesda gave us - it's what we do.
alucrad90 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Betheda is a typical American company and using ugly female characters is political correctness, that's all. Japanese gamers and BLZ never made female ugly at all
Guest endgameaddiction Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 But their anime/hentai characters look like 14 year olds in a milfs body. Anime is played out. It's overly used to the point most of it is not even cute anymore. Besides, their squeaky voices and overly exaggerated screams are annoying. Rarely will I find an anime character appealing. OP: You should drop Fallout 4 and go jump all over IMVU, Second Life or Sims. That is something that seems to be more up your alley.
Revuu Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Betheda is a typical American company and using ugly female characters is political correctness, that's all. Japanese gamers and BLZ never made female ugly at all They never made them realistic or functional, either. Also horrific eye diseases.
Tensu_Makadi Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 They never made them realistic or functional, either. Also horrific eye diseases. What Japanese games are you talking about.... or where you talking the American games? I don't agree with the original poster that they only make ugly females just that the female characters don't meet most peoples ideals but then that applies to the males even more so. I wanted to make my first character a male but after an hour with the charcter creator I ened up choosing to play the wife because no matter what I did the guy was just not to my taste.
alucrad90 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Betheda is a typical American company and using ugly female characters is political correctness, that's all. Japanese gamers and BLZ never made female ugly at all They never made them realistic or functional, either. Also horrific eye diseases. Realistic or functional ? Why I have to face a realistic , functional and ugly woman in a game world? Does any female movie stars show their realistic and functional faces?
hater34 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 it is not the fact that they are ugly, it is just the textures used for the face is extremely low rez. In skyrim you can count the polygons on the faces of the females with ease. In Fallout 4, they improved it just a bit, but it still pretty bad for some people taste. In the witcher 3 background females looked better than some of the main npc female.
TheDude2014 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Betheda is a typical American company and using ugly female characters is political correctness, that's all. Japanese gamers and BLZ never made female ugly at all They never made them realistic or functional, either. Also horrific eye diseases. Realistic or functional ? Why I have to face a realistic , functional and ugly woman in a game world? Does any female movie stars show their realistic and functional faces? Sadly it is cause of, movies, games and every other sort of media. That men and women are subjugated to false ideas, that if u are not built like a pornstar or strong yet lightly feminine man. Then you are average or ugly by default, cause of this slowly but surely the standards of men and women have risen. Back in the day (around middle ages), chunky girls used to be more attractive then thin ones. Based on the idea that if u were thin then u were poor or unfed. The idea is that we judge others without even knowing who they are. First by appearance, second by way they act, third by personality. I mean we all seen that guy who looks like total asshole, just by way he looks and walks. After u talk him for week and u see his personality, is that of a misunderstood nice guys who had a hard life. We judge every person we see subconsciously, Even i am, judged by way i act at times and way i appear, before people can even know me. The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. -Friedrich Nietzsche I live by this philosophy, I do not care what people, or media says i must look like. My appearance is mine, of my own making and molding. I long await the day. That the rest of the world, opens they're eyes and does not what others say, but what they choose to do!
Kendo 2 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 "Why Bethesda only make ugly female?" * Zenimax/Bethesda politically correct corporate culture * fear of drawing attention from SJWs and feminist Nazis * lack of artistic merit or talent on the part of the dev modelers * they've been using the same game engine since 2002 and everything that implies * Bethesda laziness * they don't care because people will buy their shit games anyway Asking why Bethesda only makes ugly character models and textures is like asking why they knowingly distribute buggy games, or why their story lines are a joke, or why their game mechanics haven't changed since Morrowind, or why they hype it all as 'the next big thing in gaming' when they know it's not and people are going to point that out. IMO, the real base reason they make ugly characters is because they are an American company and are scared to death that the Anita Sarkeesians of this world will go after them for anything other than the ugliest shit they can make. Just look at some of the ignorant SJW bullshit posted in this thread and you'll start to understand why. Going to flog an obvious dead horse here; Witcher 3 Wild Hunt. In that game the range of characters goes from beautiful to hideous, fat to thin, young to old, and everything in between. Look at what CDProjekt Red did for TW3 and then look at the on-line feminists and wussy male SJWs reactions to that game. To them a realistic depiction of people (some won the genetic lottery and some didn't) isn't acceptable. But I guess Bethesda did dodge the Anita Sarkeesian bullet for FO4 because I haven't found any on line fem-nazi hate for the game; not that I'm looking that hard since the game sucks big green rhino dick anyway.
vram1974 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Betheda is a typical American company and using ugly female characters is political correctness, that's all. Japanese gamers and BLZ never made female ugly at all They never made them realistic or functional, either. Also horrific eye diseases. Realistic or functional ? Why I have to face a realistic , functional and ugly woman in a game world? Does any female movie stars show their realistic and functional faces? Sadly it is cause of, movies, games and every other sort of media. That men and women are subjugated to false ideas, that if u are not built like a pornstar or strong yet lightly feminine man. Then you are average or ugly by default, cause of this slowly but surely the standards of men and women have risen. Back in the day (around middle ages), chunky girls used to be more attractive then thin ones. Based on the idea that if u were thin then u were poor or unfed. The idea is that we judge others without even knowing who they are. First by appearance, second by way they act, third by personality. I mean we all seen that guy who looks like total asshole, just by way he looks and walks. After u talk him for week and u see his personality, is that of a misunderstood nice guys who had a hard life. We judge every person we see subconsciously, Even i am, judged by way i act at times and way i appear, before people can even know me. The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. -Friedrich Nietzsche I live by this philosophy, I do not care what people, or media says i must look like. My appearance is mine, of my own making and molding. I long await the day. That the rest of the world, opens they're eyes and does not what others say, but what they choose to do! Sorry, buddy, but that's just, like, your opinion, man. Women are wonderful creatures because they are as varied and diverse as flowers. Some are large, some are small, some are delicate, others are hardened, some are thin and wiry, and then others curve like the mountain roads of the Dolomites. Real women in real life are more than some simplistic triangular slider from muscular man to obese blimp to bulemic stick figure. Those are the default options Bethesda gave us. A real life human:
Guest endgameaddiction Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 You forget that bethesda doesn't havet to cater your needs. The more people come to realize this, the more they will understand why modding even exists.
vram1974 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 You forget that bethesda doesn't havet to cater your needs. The more people come to realize this, the more they will understand why modding even exists. They don't have to but at times it feels like they're deliberately fucking with us. I mean, they know modding extends the life of their products and increases sales and revenues and yet they give us the absolute worst baseline to work with and then dick about in releasing GECK and keeping simple things secret so you have to crack the code to their proprietary crap. Many people literally only buy copies of Beth products BECAUSE you can mod tits and ass and we're not talking about a few people but millions and millions of dollars worth.
Jexsam Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 lol people are unironically saying it's SJW's fault
Guest endgameaddiction Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 You forget that bethesda doesn't havet to cater your needs. The more people come to realize this, the more they will understand why modding even exists. They don't have to but at times it feels like they're deliberately fucking with us. I mean, they know modding extends the life of their products and increases sales and revenues and yet they give us the absolute worst baseline to work with and then dick about in releasing GECK and keeping simple things secret so you have to crack the code to their proprietary crap. Many people literally only buy copies of Beth products BECAUSE you can mod tits and ass and we're not talking about a few people but millions and millions of dollars worth. I doubt it. I think you are taking it personal. In my view, I see it where they are just creating what they see fit in their game world. I can agree that face and body geometry and even textures could have something to appear a bit more realistic, but really that's just it, it's just my opinion. I've argued this about Fallout 3 before with their faces. But really it was more the FaceGen Modellor they used. It was bad. But it gave me the motives to start making my own faces. But even then, it was just painstaking because you start to sculpt it and everything in the face begins to move with it. So it's extremely difficult to maintain the shape of the eyes you want while changing the shape to the rest of the face without it being altered. It's seriously like playing with pudding. And the ingame sliders were very limited as they were with the vanilla Skyrim. I felt like I did what I could with the resources I had because of the modders to improve characters to my liking. And since I've done this in Fallout 3 just looking and comparing both Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, I have to say that it's a massive improvement to me. It may not be something to my liking, because I won't ever settle for vanilla, but from their stand point, I'm actually impressed. In fact, I expected something awful. And to me it's soothing to see that they aren't so lenient to their work in the past and progressively have improved. I've always thought that their lack of character designing was simply that they focus more on the FPS with this franchise. That they never really cared so much for third person, which includes looking at your own character, even though many NPCs in Fallout 3 do have oddly shaped heads. I even think this is why they have lacked pretty bad when it comes to skin texture. If you look at the African American males and females in Fallout 3, you'll see that it's bad. It has a green tint to the lip area. This is due the the alpha channel in the normal map which was poorly done. Though, I disagree without a previous post about them dealing with well over 100 characters. 7 years is a long ass time. I think if they very much cared for characteristic appearance, it could of been done within that time frame. It's not like they have to have just one person do all the characters. They can hire character designers. But as I said, i think characteristic appearance was something they really didn't care as much. At least not for Fallout. Then again, Fallout 3 was their first created title for the franchise, so I can make an exception. And because to me I see Fallout 4 improved, I have no complaints with the female appearance for the game. I guess it's because I'm used to this, but also because this is a game. Just a game. A game is not supposed to be a sex appeal unless it's intentions are to be. We both know that. We both know Fallout series, nor TES series are meant to be like that. And it's a blessing that we have a tool kit that we do to be able to do the many things that are possible with their games that have created the major content that exist on this site. Oh yeah, I don't think they are deliberately trying to fuck with us. If they did, we would have a very very limited tool kit because their tolerance for sex mods has increased to the point that they are willing to censor their tool to the point where it's very very limited. I mean if Bethesda really wanted to, they could keep their assets hard coded only allowing you to click play forcing you to play connected and quit when you are done. Then I would say they are deliberately fucking with us.
jxm Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Sorry, buddy, but that's just, like, your opinion, man. Women are wonderful creatures because they are as varied and diverse as flowers. Some are large, some are small, some are delicate, others are hardened, some are thin and wiry, and then others curve like the mountain roads of the Dolomites. Real women in real life are more than some simplistic triangular slider from muscular man to obese blimp to bulemic stick figure. Those are the default options Bethesda gave us. A real life human: Beauty, always in the eye of the beholder ... geez, I admit, I kinda find Gwendoline sexy ... ^^
Ernest Lemmingway Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 They don't have to but at times it feels like they're deliberately fucking with us. I mean, they know modding extends the life of their products and increases sales and revenues and yet they give us the absolute worst baseline to work with and then dick about in releasing GECK and keeping simple things secret so you have to crack the code to their proprietary crap. Amen! But I can also understand why they force us to crack their code. If they came out and said how to do so publicly, that would be considered an open license for other private businesses to use their product without licensing it. That's why it's illegal to charge money for mods (and, if I understand correctly, partially what got Steam in hot water--pun intended--over their plan to charge for downloading mods off their Workshop). As for the GECK, I'm not a programmer but even I know enough about writing proggies to realize it isn't taking Bethesda this much time to create it; they could have easily had one ready to go when the game launched by neutering features of the developer toolset. It's a delay so the company can cash in on the holiday sales boom and whet the appetite of even more players for modding. It happened with Skyrim, remember?
Kendo 2 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Ideas for Bethesda that will never happen. Extensively bug test the games before they're released. If a game is broken, FIX IT. Delay release if you have to; other companies do it all the time. Use a modern engine; other companies do it all the time. Make a game that can be modded, but one where it isn't required to get their broken product to work or to make the game look better. Stop relying on customers to fix things. Release the level editor and game on the same day and make the code for editing meshes available. That would peek player interest and discussions like this wouldn't be taking place a month after the game hits the market. We would have an editor and the sourceforge team would probably be done with the initial updates for making FO4 meshes work with 3d editors. None of that will happen because it makes sense. RAWR!
AlericoftheNords Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Simplest answer is your standards are too high the settings of the Fallout and Elder Scrolls universe really aren't conducive to super-sexy looks. They could stand to shoot a little higher, I think, but by and large they design their characters as they do because artistically it better fits what kind of world they want to put across. Also, lol @ the claiming modders have anything to do with it. We'd mod it with something more suiting our tastes regardless of what Bethesda gave us - it's what we do. Again, I don't think the OP is actually talking about making women look "Super Sexy" or like "pornstars." I think the -actual- point was about why they look so 'bad' as in the quality of the textures, the lack of modern animations, the lack of modern of mesh work, and generally low poly count by modern standards. For example, look at the Witcher 3. Yes, there were some very sexy women in that game, but the -vast- majority of women (and men) looked simply 'normal' or befitting of the Medieval time period. The difference, however, was the -quality- of the characters in general, the vastly improved skin textures, the good animations, the good skeletal and mesh work. Everything just 'looked' like it was quality work. The same could be said of Mass Effect 2-3, where the simple quality of the characters and graphical work was just much, much better, leading to 'better quality' looking characters in general regardless of whether or not they were 'sexy.' Edit: For example, Piper, the Default Wife, Glory, Synth Curie, and even Cait would probably look damn good if the textures and meshes were up to modern standards. Yet, the bad graphics just hold it all back.
s666 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Just to collect opinions, but why all bethesda woman are ugly? I mean, FO4 made a good job on female face for my taste, but the body is terrible. I see mass effect with miranda ass, edi camel toe, ashley with her sexy mouth, in metal gear the girls can have open chest "armor", the list goes on... and bethesda give us that. Why? Opinions? Because Bethesda have a modders army (alias free workers) for their job for them.
Jexsam Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 Again, I don't think the OP is actually talking about making women look "Super Sexy" or like "pornstars."Did you actually read the OP? Here, I'll show you again. Just to collect opinions, but why all bethesda woman are ugly? I mean, FO4 made a good job on female face for my taste, but the body is terrible. I see mass effect with miranda ass, edi camel toe, ashley with her sexy mouth, in metal gear the girls can have open chest "armor", the list goes on... and bethesda give us that. Why? Opinions? OP specifically went on about camel toes and nice asses and "open chest 'armor'". Kinda sounds like "super sexy porn stars" is exactly what they're looking for, at least in terms of outfits, given that they're fine with the faces as is. But even beyond that, my post never suggests anyone should look like porn stars either, so I have no idea why you responded to my post by saying that to start with. All I said was designs like OP suggests just don't jive with the kind of worlds Bethesda builds.
Aria Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 This whole argument that certain people bring about OP wanting the women look like porn stars (even if it might be true) truly brings alot of credibility on a site with porn mods, where sexualizing and objectifying women is an everyday business... wtf do these people even do here? I got the impression they just simply copy whatever the hell is popular to say now.
AlericoftheNords Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 Again, I don't think the OP is actually talking about making women look "Super Sexy" or like "pornstars."Did you actually read the OP? Here, I'll show you again. Just to collect opinions, but why all bethesda woman are ugly? I mean, FO4 made a good job on female face for my taste, but the body is terrible. I see mass effect with miranda ass, edi camel toe, ashley with her sexy mouth, in metal gear the girls can have open chest "armor", the list goes on... and bethesda give us that. Why? Opinions? OP specifically went on about camel toes and nice asses and "open chest 'armor'". Kinda sounds like "super sexy porn stars" is exactly what they're looking for, at least in terms of outfits, given that they're fine with the faces as is. But even beyond that, my post never suggests anyone should look like porn stars either, so I have no idea why you responded to my post by saying that to start with. All I said was designs like OP suggests just don't jive with the kind of worlds Bethesda builds. Well, whether I misunderstood the OP or not, my point stands. The 'ugly' characters of Fallout 4 are a result not of design but of brutally outdated graphics. Again, I'll use the Witcher 3 as an example, where the vast majority of men and women are portrayed as 'normal' Medieval peasants, and yet still has some appealing/attractive men and women, which I would argue is due in large part to the superb graphics and animations. Again, Piper, Default Wife, Cait, Synth Curie etc.. would all look quite good if the animations rendering them were decent, which would in turn render this entire discussion superfluous. Let's be honest, it's not as if there are any good looking -men- in Fallout 4 either. So either Bethesda has a fetish for uglies of both sexes, or the graphics are just bad. Personally, I didn't find Miranda attractive. Her facial shape just didn't do it for me. She was more handsome than beautiful. Some trivia, Miranda's face is actually a render of her voice actress.
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