Submissive Lola. Consensual D/S mod

[Vaukalak]

3 hours ago, iggypop1 said:

 though it makes me sad if its going to be DD dependant....please dont do that!?( ZAZ is ok)

What's wrong with DD? There's a ton of good-looking devices there.

[donttouchmethere]

10 hours ago, MrEsturk said:

So... I've been working on making an expanded version of this mod.

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OMGZ!

 

[iggypop1]

1 hour ago, Vaukalak said:

What's wrong with DD? There's a ton of good-looking devices there.

Its to script heavy......and a lot of trouble.......i know im maybe the only one trying to avoid DDstuff......(have the assetsDD though) and yes it looks good....and ive had a lot of fun with it before......but for this mod please no  Lola can do it with ZAZ

[Guest]

18 hours ago, MrEsturk said:

So... I've been working on making an expanded version of this mod. Being it sets the structure for many of the things I wanted to do with my scrapped "more XDDF" rules mod and the original author has put it up for adoption. Guess I've overlooked it because I just assumed "Submissive Lola" was just another custom companion mod.

 

 

Hello,

Have you gotten anywhere with this? I had started to rework this mod a bit myself. Just some personal tweaks. Some of the functions assume the follower is the "Male" for engaging in animations. So that creates some scenes where the tags queue up animations that don't fit the context...especially if Male player Female follower. I had altered some of the script functions to swap the actor order in that case.

 

I didn't like that the game literally changed your name in the game itself. I didn't think that was necessary. The follower should give you a few options to choose from and that's what they call you. That can just be set in Dialog without changing the game. So the player's name became "Pet" instead of Lola.

 

I had come up with a back story that would be "somewhat" lore friendly as to why the Dragonborn would voluntarily submit to slavery other than "I need a strong hand" One that incorporated the Submissive score this mod maintains to create a need to balance it out.

 

It goes something like this. DB (Dragonborn), according to Paarthurnax has a nature like the Dov.....that is, the same as Alduin who took domination as his birthright. Basically, Absorbing Dragonsouls lowers your submission score. Which, if it goes negative, you can have problems. Like turning hostile to mouthy NPCs. which can have bad consequences in a city. This I didn't actually complete this function as my ability to script in papyrus is rather basic, But I ahd recreated the Lola book to be an ancient journal written by a follower of a dragonborn from an earlier era that describes the "curse" of the Dragonborn, that by fighting the Dov, the DB becomes the very thing they are fighting.

 

A few other basic tweaks. Like the dialog. The relationship would be one of "Tough Love" and harsh corrective discipline, but one of caring and deep trust. Not abuse.

Like the Buddy quest for example. I reworked it so it went something like this....

"I heard you were rude to someone."

"no, I..."

"You were asked by an elderly woman in Whiterun if you were going to do your "good deed for the day" and you completely ignored her and waked away. So now you are going to go up to "So and so" and offer your "respect" and show the people of Whiterun that the Dragonborn is here to proved service to them. Or, "I need to teach you to stop pestering the guards about your sweet roll."

 

And I wanted to try adding some voiced dialog like how AA does it.

 

Anyway, I never was able to put a mod together, but I think I still have some of the work I did....

 

But I was going to come back to something like this and make a follower or a quest mod for a dominant follower of some sort.

 

So I wanted to know if there was anything I might be able to do to assist?.........maybe?

 

 

 

 

 

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[trellouk]

Would be very happy to see this mod being worked on again.

 

I like the intention to keep the Devious Device implementation as immersive as possible, with the exclusion of modernized DD items from the list.

 

The first thing that comes to mind as a suggestion, would be to keep dialogue (if any) that refers to the player character as "Dragonborn" optional. It would likely break the immersion for people who play regular "ordinary person" characters if they are referred to as Dragonborn by NPCs.

 

Best of luck in your endeavour @MrEsturk , hope your modding goes well and reignites your spark 

[MrEsturk]

10 hours ago, iggypop1 said:

Its to script heavy......and a lot of trouble.......i know im maybe the only one trying to avoid DDstuff......(have the assetsDD though) and yes it looks good....and ive had a lot of fun with it before......but for this mod please no  Lola can do it with ZAZ

Sorry, there's just too much stuff in that mod I want potential access to. Now if you're worry this mod will degenerate into the player almost constantly being locked up in a dozen script heavy restraints: it won't. And the MCM will likely let you tone down what DD content is in even futher.

 

31 minutes ago, trelloukos said:

 

The first thing that comes to mind as a suggestion, would be to keep dialogue (if any) that refers to the player character as "Dragonborn" optional. It would likely break the immersion for people who play regular "ordinary person" characters if they are referred to as Dragonborn by NPCs.

There won't be any dialog referring to you as the Dragonborn. Honestly I almost always play with a "You are not Dragonborn" mod enabled on my personal copy of Skyrim these days. Don't think I've battled a random dragon encounter since 2015.

 

4 hours ago, bishlapped said:

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If I get to the point where I want to add male PC support I'll being looking to consult people who are actually into that kind of thing such as yourself. But its too early to be considering that. I'm still in the process of cleaning up the mod for adding new material at the moment. I'll consider adding a "no name change" option in the MCM.

 

As for your other ideas they seen way too story driven for the direction I wanted to take this mod in. I was aiming for something that just takes the concepts of a dom follower explored in mods like DCL or Deviously Enslaved and expanding on them. Sort of a erotic difficulty increase mod where the player is being constantly trolled by a kinky follower's lustful games. Also story driven content tends to be a lot more of a hassle to develop. And as I told trelloukos I don't really play the game's "you're the chosen demigod troupe" main quest anymore.

[MrEsturk]

Anyways on to what progress I've made.

 

I've set up an option were your followers will sometimes approach you about becoming their slave. If you turn them down hard that specific follower will never ask you again (useful if you use multiple companions and are trying to role a specific one asking to become your dom).

 

Tweaked all the dialog to allow multiple name change options, or no name change. (References the player's name rather than just a static "Lola")

 

Adding the MCM menu is my next step. Early options will including being able to auto-start the Strong Hand quest in case you don't want to travel to Riften every time you start a new game (you'll be automatically given a copy of the Submissive Lola book in the process). Also an option to pause the mod, a necessary evil being its intended to work with vanilla questing and there will always be a few quests where your dom's kinky antics would make completion impossible (The Thalmor Embassy quest comes to mind).

 

Once the basic structure of the MCM menu is set up I'll be revising nudity rule quest to allow several options on how it is enforced. Some options would include:

Spoiler

- Always being required to be nude, as it was in the vanilla version of this mod

 

- Only being required to be nude in civilized areas or only in player homes and inns. Probably should pick one of these two options if you're a Frostfall user, being that's the closest thing to Frostfall support I'll be adding (learned my lesson trying to futilely add support to that endlessly complex mod while working on S_L_U_T_S).

 

- Only being required to be nude in the player home and away from civilized areas (If you want to roleplay your dom not wanting the hassle of you breaking public nudity laws but expecting you to stay naked while at home or adventuring alone together outside the reach of town laws).

 

- An option to require the player to "dress like a lowly servant slave" when they are allowed to wear clothes. This would forbid you from wearing light/heavy armor, upper class clothes, or enchanted clothes on your body slot. One of the challenge rule options I plan to add.

 

- An option to auto-strip after being shocked for a nudity rule violation for lazy players.

 

EDIT: The MCM will also allow you to toggle the odds your Dom will reject you making rule change requests.

[Hex Bolt]

Nice ideas on the nudity options.  Limiting armor/clothing restrictions to certain areas or situations would work perfectly.  The blanket no-armor or no-clothes behavior was overly broad.  It would shut down a melee-oriented character from adventuring.  I usually ended up manually disabling that quest. 

 

On a different topic, will the revamped Submissive Lola be able to run alongside Devious Followers Continued?  The original Lola was light enough on devices that I could use them together.  I was interested in your thoughts on that, since the the two mods can complement each other with Lola providing the dominant/erotic follower behavior that Devious Followers largely avoids.

[MrEsturk]

21 minutes ago, HexBolt8 said:

On a different topic, will the revamped Submissive Lola be able to run alongside Devious Followers Continued?  The original Lola was light enough on devices that I could use them together.  I was interested in your thoughts on that, since the the two mods can complement each other with Lola providing the dominant/erotic follower behavior that Devious Followers largely avoids.

It won't be a device heavy as many DD mods. And you'll be able to toggle most of the device rules in MCM. Also with DD support added the Submissive Lola rules can be set to accept wearing equivalent devious devices from other mods as complying with any device rules your dom may currently enforcing. I also plan to add the option for making your slave collar use equipment slots other than the collar slot for further compatiblity (You'll be able to set it to have a collar that uses the amulet, tail, or 47 slot if you want to keep the collar slot open)

[Hex Bolt]

That's great!  Flexibility is always welcome.

 

On the subject of Devious Followers Continued, if you might ever want to support some interaction, it's as simple as a SendModEvent call with no mod dependency needed.  For example:

 

SendModEvent("DF-ResistanceLoss", "", 1.0) ; take away one point of resistance.

 

would tell Devious Followers that something has happened here that chipped away at the player character's mental resistance, such as the undress for me event.  Things like that probably aren't on your radar, and I only mention it now because it's so much easier to note where things like this occur when you're working on them than coming back later and trying to add it.  At a minimum, a "Resistance Loss" code comment could serve as a placeholder.  Just a suggestion.  SexLab Survival has done a lot in this area. 

[iggypop1]

Ok....you are going the DD way.....cant you just steal the DD features you want so it will work as a standalone mod (undependant of a full DD install)??

 

And the nice thing with "vanilla" LOLA its consensual!....(free will)....its about being a sub ......enjoying!!... being Dominated  ......

6 hours ago, HexBolt8 said:

"DF-ResistanceLoss", "

Lola is not about resistance, PC wants this, its about going into a sub roleplay.....not fighting your Dom.....

[donttouchmethere]

5 hours ago, iggypop1 said:

Lola is not about resistance, PC wants this, its about going into a sub roleplay.....not fighting your Dom.....

 You mean consensual like in: "Typical punishment is the well known electrocutting. Under circumstances (high difficulty, low level) it may get very painful or even deadly. "

 

It might be consensual at the beginning, but your Dom wants more ?

 

5 hours ago, iggypop1 said:

cant you just steal the DD features you want so it will work as a standalone mod (undependant of a full DD install)??

Does that really make any sense to you?

If you add the scripts of DD into Submissive LoLa you would have the same effect as having DD installed.

I can't see the issues you have with DD installed on my Setup.

Maybe you want to look into Skyrim stability fixes?

 

Estruk is a Mage if it comes to spicing up mods with DDs, I wouldn't want to see him limited by anything.

Also you know that next ZAP9 will have probably similar locking mechanisms ?

[iggypop1]

3 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

You mean consensual like in: "Typical punishment is the well known electrocutting. Under circumstances (high difficulty, low level) it may get very painful or even deadly. "

 

3 hours ago, donttouchmethere said:

 You mean consensual like in: "Typical punishment is the well known electrocutting. Under circumstances (high difficulty, low level) it may get very painful or even deadly. "

 

It might be consensual at the beginning, but your Dom wants more ?

 

Does that really make any sense to you?

If you add the scripts of DD into Submissive LoLa you would have the same effect as having DD installed.

I can't see the issues you have with DD installed on my Setup.

Maybe you want to look into Skyrim stability fixes?

 

Estruk is a Mage if it comes to spicing up mods with DDs, I wouldn't want to see him limited by anything.

Also you know that next ZAP9 will have probably similar locking mechanisms ?

 

OK..OK i give in.........

 

 You can come out of it ....saying no more ("Mistress?)....... thats consensual....(checking pain boundaries)......

 

But okay...........DD to heaven

[MrEsturk]

Well I hit one minor snag: Skyrim doesn't allow inserted name references (<Alias=Name>) in the NPC's dialog. I guess this makes sense, being the game expects their dialog to come with live voice acting that can't exactly adjust on the fly to whatever name the coding swapped in.

 

This does however mean my plans for alternate names is a no go. So you're stuck being called Lola by your master. I don't plan on changing that, being it would require me to alter about 40% of alexvkj's original dialog which would be a little disrespectful IMO.

 

I will at least still include a "Nickname Mode" toggle in the MCM. When toggled on you won't have your actual name changed upon being enslaved. Your owner will still call you Lola however.

[donttouchmethere]

1 hour ago, MrEsturk said:

I will at least still include a "Nickname Mode" toggle in the MCM. When toggled on you won't have your actual name changed upon being enslaved. Your owner will still call you Lola however.

Doesn't hurt me.

Might need to use more pink restrains form Elvira's restrictive fashion shop ?

[Hex Bolt]

1 hour ago, MrEsturk said:

So you're stuck being called Lola by your master.

You could just edit Lola to something generic like Pet when you come across it. 

[MrEsturk]

Well the basic MCM structure is set up:

 

So far the basic options I have added:

 

- Start Quest: Force starts the quest in case you didn't want to go running down to Riften. You receive a copy of "Submissive Lola" if you start the quest this way.

 

- Player can approach follower: Toggles whether the dialog option for the player asking to be enslaved appears.

 

- Follower can approach player: Toggles whether followers may randomly try to talk the player into becoming their slave, in case you'd rather roleplay your enslavement in that manner.

 

- Nickname Mode: If toggled your official name won't be changed upon enslavement, although your dom will still call you Lola.

 

- Submission Growth Rate/Resistance Decrease Rate: Two slider options that allow you to control how fast your submission score grows when you obey orders and how fast it decreases when you try to defy them. (Some debug info is in the screenshot that will be removed in the official release).

[donttouchmethere]

8 minutes ago, MrEsturk said:

Well the basic MCM structure is set up:

That was the hard part right? RIGHT? ?

[Kendo 2]

12 minutes ago, MrEsturk said:

Well the basic MCM structure is set up:

So far the basic options I have added:

 

- Start Quest: Force starts the quest in case you didn't want to go running down to Riften. You receive a copy of "Submissive Lola" if you start the quest this way.

 

- Player can approach follower: Toggles whether the dialog option for the player asking to be enslaved appears.

 

- Follower can approach player: Toggles whether followers may randomly try to talk the player into becoming their slave, in case you'd rather roleplay your enslavement in that manner.

 

- Nickname Mode: If toggled your official name won't be changed upon enslavement, although your dom will still call you Lola.

 

- Submission Growth Rate/Resistance Decrease Rate: Two slider options that allow you to control how fast your submission score grows when you obey orders and how fast it decreases when you try to defy them. (Some debug info is in the screenshot that will be removed in the official release).

Can you add an on/off toggle for the hair cut thing?  It's not compatible with custom hairs.

[MrEsturk]

1 hour ago, Kendo 2 said:

Can you add an on/off toggle for the hair cut thing?  It's not compatible with custom hairs.

Oh yeah. I can't stand shaved heads on women.

 

  

1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said:

That was the hard part right? RIGHT? ?

I wish. The hardest part is going to be trying to see if I can add new quests without my pissy copy of Creation Kit refusing to acknowledge any dialog I attach to the quest. I may very well be stuck temporarily outsourcing the mod to someone else here just have them add some blank quests with dialog inserted (for whatever reason CK allows me to add new dialog to quests that already had dialog added on other modder's PCs just fine, its very annoying).

[donttouchmethere]

37 minutes ago, MrEsturk said:

I wish. The hardest part is going to be trying to see if I can add new quests without my pissy copy of Creation Kit refusing to acknowledge any dialog I attach to the quest. I may very well be stuck temporarily outsourcing the mod to someone else here just have them add some blank quests with dialog inserted (for whatever reason CK allows me to add new dialog to quests that already had dialog added on other modder's PCs just fine, its very annoying).

Why does everything Skyrim related seem to work the same way as those electrical devices that work again when you hit them?

[Kendo 2]

Kind of a shame to see DD inserted back into the mod after alexvkj jumped through flaming hoops to get rid of it.  Not being constantly locked in devices was a major draw for this mod; for me at least.  DD is fun for about 20 minutes then it gets repetitive and boring.  The premises of DD-based mods have become fucked up real life social experiments to punish the player, not the player's character.  It wasn't always that way, it's what DD devolved in to.

[MrEsturk]

Well set the hair quest to have multiple options now. You can set it where your owner might shave your head, change your hair to a random natural color, a random chance of either, or disable it completely.

 

Next I'll be working my revisions into the nudity system. After that the money system (more on how that will work later).

[Gräfin Zeppelin]

Very nice, options are always good.

[iggypop1]

7 hours ago, Kendo 2 said:

Kind of a shame to see DD inserted back into the mod after alexvkj jumped through flaming hoops to get rid of it.  Not being constantly locked in devices was a major draw for this mod; for me at least.  DD is fun for about 20 minutes then it gets repetitive and boring.  The premises of DD-based mods have become fucked up real life social experiments to punish the player, not the player's character.  It wasn't always that way, it's what DD devolved in to.

❤️.....exactly