Mass Effect 3

[thesapien]

I've just never been able to get over something I once said in this thread because it was so wrong, which happens often with me, no surprise. I once said something along the lines of ME3 being like targeted for smarties or something elitist like that. Looking back, I'm at a loss. I've got nothing. I can't even remember what I might had been referring to exactly.

 

Anyway, just wanted to say sorry and thanks. Sorry for being an idiot at times, and thanks for not ignoring me.

[gregathit]

I've just never been able to get over something I once said in this thread because it was so wrong' date=' which happens often with me, no surprise. I once said something along the lines of ME3 being like targeted for smarties or something elitist like that. Looking back, I'm at a loss. I've got nothing. I can't even remember what I might had been referring to exactly.

 

Anyway, just wanted to say sorry and thanks. Sorry for being an idiot at times, and thanks for not ignoring me.

 

Yes, I've been drinking.

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Holy Hell Thesapien....why would you be fretting over this? At first I was a bit P.O.'d at you but your attitude was mild compared to most of the pro-enders over on the bioware forums. I couldn't stay P.O.'d long as we continued to bang heads however. It helped me work out my rage over the ending to be honest!

 

Anyways just chalk the whole thing up to you being a contrarian and call it a day! Don't forget to have those aspirin handy!

 

Cheers

Greg

[Vedli]

I've just never been able to get over something I once said in this thread because it was so wrong' date=' which happens often with me, no surprise. I once said something along the lines of ME3 being like targeted for smarties or something elitist like that. Looking back, I'm at a loss. I've got nothing. I can't even remember what I might had been referring to exactly.

 

Anyway, just wanted to say sorry and thanks. Sorry for being an idiot at times, and thanks for not ignoring me.

 

Yes, I've been drinking.

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Ha! Welcome to my world, my life would be so much easier if I just stopped and thought about what I was about to do.

[thesapien]

 

Holy Hell Thesapien....why would you be fretting over this? At first I was a bit P.O.'d at you but your attitude was mild compared to most of the pro-enders over on the bioware forums. I couldn't stay P.O.'d long as we continued to bang heads however. It helped me work out my rage over the ending to be honest!

 

Anyways just chalk the whole thing up to you being a contrarian and call it a day! Don't forget to have those aspirin handy!

 

Cheers

Greg

 

There was something endearing and totally hilarious you said in another thread about our, uhm, civil debates here. I don't think you meant it to, but it did get me thinking. I'm sober now, so I'll just avoid the warm fuzzies and stick to camaraderie in saying, glad I could help work out some of that rage. Hope to be sparing again soon!

[thesapien]

Ha! Welcome to my world' date=' my life would be so much easier if I just stopped and thought about what I was about to do.

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It's hard to find the right balance. Careful not to let thinking prevent you from taking action, on the flip side!

 

Though after saying that, it sounds like something that could become my famous last words.

[dewguru]

ME3 was a great game, minus the last 8-10 minutes for me (2 minutes if you don't count the shambling that was a bit over done).

 

Sadly, I use to love BioWare's games. Then after EA bought them, their releases (DA2, ME3, SWTOR MMO) all seem to be close, but not quite the old magic.

 

My only beef with the ending:

 

 

The boy AI - with his crazy synthetics are destined to destroy non-synthetics so I made synthetics that would do just that every xx,000 years because it's impossible to co-exist - so now kill yourself and doom everyone else to being stranded where ever they are as of this moment.

 

Then my Shepard mumbles something about the Illusive Man being right, which was the last thing I ever imagined him saying.

 

Shepard's dying is something I was expecting, not like this. And especially not after I managed to prove the Boy AI totally wrong earlier when I brokered peace between the Geth and Quarians. But that apparently meant nothing.

 

So in the end I went with what I choose when I played Deus Ex.

 

 

 

There were actually other things in the rest of the game that bothered me some, but nothing that destroyed the experience for me. Even minus the ending, I'd say it wasn't the best of the trilogy.

[shockins]

The Mass Effect series became like crack to me. I was so into Mass Effect 3 before and during and then the ending happened. I'm still not sure how I feel about it. HOWEVER! One good thing about the awful ending is that it freed me up for other games! I played through Gears of War 3 with my buddy, I started Bayonetta and The Witcher 2! I never played Dead Space and now I know that game is awesome. I'm playing Oblivion again too! Man, so many good games out there and I wasn't playing them because Mass Effect was just so good.

 

So, thanks for the shite ending Bioware! A clean break is always better, I suppose. Now back to the backlog...

[thesapien]

ME3 was a great game' date=' minus the last 8-10 minutes for me (2 minutes if you don't count the shambling that was a bit over done).

 

Sadly, I use to love BioWare's games. Then after EA bought them, their releases (DA2, ME3, SWTOR MMO) all seem to be close, but not quite the old magic.

 

My only beef with the ending:

 

 

The boy AI - with his crazy synthetics are destined to destroy non-synthetics so I made synthetics that would do just that every xx,000 years because it's impossible to co-exist - so now kill yourself and doom everyone else to being stranded where ever they are as of this moment.

 

Then my Shepard mumbles something about the Illusive Man being right, which was the last thing I ever imagined him saying.

 

Shepard's dying is something I was expecting, not like this. And especially not after I managed to prove the Boy AI totally wrong earlier when I brokered peace between the Geth and Quarians. But that apparently meant nothing.

 

So in the end I went with what I choose when I played Deus Ex.

 

 

 

There were actually other things in the rest of the game that bothered me some, but nothing that destroyed the experience for me. Even minus the ending, I'd say it wasn't the best of the trilogy.

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Do we need the spoiler button here? We've already spoiled this in this thread and everyone into ME already knows by now right?

 

It kind of seems to me BioWare could actually fix this ending by simply adding more dialogue options with Shep crushing this kid with some quick words before making the final choice. I just watched John Carter and... okay, spoiler for that:

 

 

 

The bad guys, the Thern, are very similar to the Reapers in their own description of who they are and why they do what they do. They believe they are godlike and immortal and see themselves as managing life on planets by preventing self destruction. John Carter doesn't buy it, kills two of them (not immortal after all), and stops their plan for slaughtering so many. In the end, it turns out they might just be more advanced technologically and not gods at all and actually supplementing themselves somehow off of the people.

 

 

But BioWare forced us all to go soft when confronted by the child avatar. We get a quick repeat of Shep saying it's wrong to kill us to save us and something about free will, but then it's like okay, maybe you're being honest and perhaps right and like gee I dunno. So even those of us who go with Destroy feel all soft and uncertain about it after hearing our Shep play along.

 

Let me pull a John Carter and I'd feel like the ending was fixed for me.

[dewguru]

Oddly enough, if they wouldn't have offered the red, green, blue options and just avoided the kid altogether - taking it straight to Shepard triggering the weapon and then getting wiped out from being ground zero at the energy burst - followed by seeing his surviving crew members pick up the pieces post-war and remembering him somehow, I'd have been happy.

 

The introduction of the kid and the crazy rationalization for the big bads just broke things. The Reapers where these beings that exceeded our full comprehension - and BioWare's apparently as well since their attempt at explaining what was what failed.

[gregathit]

The Reapers where these beings that exceeded our full comprehension - and BioWare's apparently as well since their attempt at explaining them was what failed.

 

This is one of the fundamental problems with the game. Never try to explain the unexplainable.....you will fail every time.

 

In the end, the above insipidness, combined with rushing to make a deadline doomed this title forever as an example of what NOT to do for game developers. This game can't simply be fixed with a new coat of paint on the ending as its flaws go much deeper than the last 10 minutes.

 

Hopefully, this F'up will prevent developers from making similar mistakes and ruining other games!

[thesapien]

The introduction of the kid and the crazy rationalization for the big bads just broke things. The Reapers where these beings that exceeded our full comprehension - and BioWare's apparently as well since their attempt at explaining what was what failed.

 

Hah, sounds to me like you wanted to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak. You can't have them beyond comprehension and then expect to comprehend their explanation. Why not just say it didn't make sense, like you wanted? Problem solved.

[thesapien]

 

This is one of the fundamental problems with the game. Never try to explain the unexplainable.....you will fail every time.

 

 

Uhm, errr, I think that goes without saying. Rather, it's true by definition. Unless you watch Mission Impossible. None of those missions actually turn out to be impossible.

 

Maybe they did just fine and it didn't make sense to you because it is supposed to be incomprehensible. If it did make sense, THEN you know something is wrong. Or, maybe, you're a Reaper.

[gregathit]

 

This is one of the fundamental problems with the game. Never try to explain the unexplainable.....you will fail every time.

 

 

Uhm' date=' errr, I think that goes without saying. Rather, it's true by definition. Unless you watch Mission Impossible. None of those missions actually turn out to be impossible.

 

Maybe they did just fine and it didn't make sense to you because it is supposed to be incomprehensible. If it did make sense, THEN you know something is wrong. Or, maybe, you're a Reaper.

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LOL on MI....guess they had to choose a name for the movie and Tom C's bitch squad was already taken......

 

As to the Reapers.....even you would admit (I think anyways) that part of what made them so bad ass is the mystery of where they came from and what they really were doing. Trying to explain this just cheapens the Reapers image and makes them look like an ordinary run of the mill villain. Just my two cents.

[thesapien]

I would admit to that and do. Well put, too.

 

Seems to be a kind of odd yet common problem in fiction, like when an author tries to write about a super genius character. None of us as authors are super genius so can't really include anything super genius. Even if a super genius wrote it, there would be no way to make it comprehensible to the rest of us, like trying to explain calculus to my cat. So best to handle such things with mystery or other obscure devices, maybe, like you said.

[Sεraphim]

Hey guys, didn't know if I should've started a new thread for this or not, but ah well.

 

My question is if anyone had a fully paragon femshep for Mass Effect 3 (with storyline completed and all armor found) they're willing to share. I'd be grateful to anyone that has such a save, if they'd PM me the link to it.

 

Thanks in advance.

[gregathit]

Hey guys' date=' didn't know if I should've started a new thread for this or not, but ah well.

 

My question is if anyone had a fully paragon femshep for Mass Effect 3 (with storyline completed and all armor found) they're willing to share. I'd be grateful to anyone that has such a save, if they'd PM me the link to it.

 

Thanks in advance.

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Do you mean ME2 instead???? Not sure what you would do with a ME3 complete save game.......

 

Anyway this site has ME, ME2 and will soon have ME3 saved games: http://www.masseffectsaves.com/

 

I play as a dude or I would send you mine.

[dewguru]

The introduction of the kid and the crazy rationalization for the big bads just broke things. The Reapers where these beings that exceeded our full comprehension - and BioWare's apparently as well since their attempt at explaining what was what failed.

 

Hah' date=' sounds to me like you wanted to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak. You can't have them beyond comprehension and then expect to comprehend their explanation. Why not just say it didn't make sense, like you wanted? Problem solved.

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I appreciate your attempt at trying to understand what I said, but since you obviously didn't, why don't you admit that you can't comprehend it.

 

Problem solved.

[Sεraphim]

Hey guys' date=' didn't know if I should've started a new thread for this or not, but ah well.

 

My question is if anyone had a fully paragon femshep for Mass Effect 3 (with storyline completed and all armor found) they're willing to share. I'd be grateful to anyone that has such a save, if they'd PM me the link to it.

 

Thanks in advance.

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Do you mean ME2 instead???? Not sure what you would do with a ME3 complete save game.......

 

Anyway this site has ME, ME2 and will soon have ME3 saved games: http://www.masseffectsaves.com/

 

I play as a dude or I would send you mine.

 

You can import ME3 savegames into ME3 for increased benefits... I wanted to start a new femshep, but I hate foraging through the whole game for armor and guns.

[gregathit]

You can import ME3 savegames into ME3 for increased benefits... I wanted to start a new femshep' date=' but I hate foraging through the whole game for armor and guns.

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Well, that makes much more sense now!

 

You can always create a game and then use the editor to unlock all of the guns/armor if you can't find someone's save game that works for you.

 

Editor link: http://svn.gib.me/builds/masseffect3/

Use saveedit-r89_b110.zip

 

Walkthrough of how to use the above file: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Snfonseka/Mass_Effect_3_Modding_Guide

 

 

This way you can have the Shepard that YOU want and not some other turkey's Shep.

 

Have fun

[thesapien]

The introduction of the kid and the crazy rationalization for the big bads just broke things. The Reapers where these beings that exceeded our full comprehension - and BioWare's apparently as well since their attempt at explaining what was what failed.

 

Hah' date=' sounds to me like you wanted to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak. You can't have them beyond comprehension and then expect to comprehend their explanation. Why not just say it didn't make sense, like you wanted? Problem solved.

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I appreciate your attempt at trying to understand what I said, but since you obviously didn't, why don't you admit that you can't comprehend it.

 

Problem solved.

 

Yeah, I deserved that. Really, I just didn't want to repeat what I'd already said on the matter way too many times in this thread and have gregathit say, "That again!"

 

In short, BioWare was aware that the rationalization was bad. Bad guys have bad rationals. This is why Shep points it out twice in the game. They also included many options during the game for someone like Shep proving them wrong, such as with uniting Geth and Quarians.

 

The longer expo: Any conspiracy theorists here? The Reapers aren't so different than Illuminati. Both are elitists who indoctrinate and manage populations in order to control them, trying to keep them small and without too much tech, all the while subsisting on those populations. In many ways, it's a retelling of an old theme in history. It's also very rational if you're one of the controllers. So it makes good sense from their POV. If you're part of the normal population, then the justifications won't go over well. Reapers and Illuminati don't really expect others to be able to comprehend their superiority or play along after seeing it. That would be like expecting a turkey to willingly hold its neck out for Thanksgiving.

 

I still do think the John Carter movie handled this retelling much better. No one has seen that?

[thesapien]

If you do end up doing an ME3 import, be sure not to change your the default Predator pistol during the Mars mission. There's a bug still with the latest update that prevents you from killing the android with other pistols. I've tried two other pistols with more damage and all they do is quickly bring the android's health meeter down to one bar, then it stops there so you die every time. Funny, I think the default Predator pistol also gives you a reload before having to shoot but the with the other pistols you're stuck with what was last left in your clip, so you'll be reloading in slow motion before dieing, lol. I hate this bug because if you forget about it, you'll have to restart the whole mission, unless you saved midway at that one workbench where you can change your loadout. Otherwise, the autosave feature will put you in an endless failing loop at the end of the mission.

[GSBmodders]

Yeah' date=' I deserved that. Really, I just didn't want to repeat what I'd already said on the matter way too many times in this thread and have gregathit say, "That again!"

 

In short, BioWare was aware that the rationalization was bad. Bad guys have bad rationals. This is why Shep points it out twice in the game. They also included many options during the game for someone like Shep proving them wrong, such as with uniting Geth and Quarians.

 

The longer expo: Any conspiracy theorists here? The Reapers aren't so different than Illuminati. Both are elitists who indoctrinate and manage populations in order to control them, trying to keep them small and without too much tech, all the while subsisting on those populations. In many ways, it's a retelling of an old theme in history. It's also very rational if you're one of the controllers. So it makes good sense from their POV. If you're part of the normal population, then the justifications won't go over well. Reapers and Illuminati don't really expect others to be able to comprehend their superiority or play along after seeing it. That would be like expecting a turkey to willingly hold its neck out for Thanksgiving.

 

I still do think the John Carter movie handled this retelling much better. No one has seen that?

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OMFG. THIS AGAIN! seriously this?

 

ok jokes over

 

Bioware blew it in that department, it was just to much for a new group of writers to come in and attempt to cram everything into the space they had left after MP and D day DLC

 

There is also the issue of the writers not being entirely up to the challenge regarding the established lore as well. I believe this is why the endings are as they are, it wipes the slate clean for a new group to come in and write the new universe inside EDI's 1+1=3 world

 

I just hope it isnt a steam punk version of COD.

[gregathit]

Damn.....GSB beat me to it!!!!!

 

Personally I don't even want to contemplate another title in the ME universe. Bioware so badly fumbled ME3 that it just cause me to violently throw up think of what kind of an abomination ME4 would be.

Hint: Command and Conquer 4

 

 

Just thinking about the EC makes me a touch nauseous to be perfectly honest.....

 

 

Steam punk version of COD......that would be an improvement for COD!!!!

[dewguru]

I still do think the John Carter movie handled this retelling much better. No one has seen that?

 

I've not seen it yet. I plan on it, but with how much movies cost today, I usually wait for it to hit my Comcast/Xfinity On Demand where me and the family can watch it for a third of the price of one adult ticket.

 

Funny you compare the Reapers to the Illuminati since that's the main enemy in the Deus Ex game series and I remember thinking to myself that I had seen the ME ending options before...

[thesapien]

What was the self justification of the Illuminati in Deus Ex? Was it the same as what people talk about in real life? This is going to sound horrible, and it is, but I think people more easily buy into Illuminati as the fictional bad guy because it is easy to empathize with their motives. So many people have thoughts like the world is overpopulated, humans are like a virus, etc. It's easy for them to believe that others might actually be doing something about it. BioWare could had just given Reapers the same motivations but on a larger scale and everyone would had got it without so much resistance. Instead, they used an motif that was more popular a decade or two ago when people were more anti-tech. So unfitting, as everyone seems to notice.