Riku20xx Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 [video=youtube] This is a decent video' date=' albeit a touch long of the mechanics problems of ME3. [/quote'] Such a great video. Everything he said was true. Wow...
gregathit Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 I'll switch gears. Do you want multiple endings or multiple playthroughs? ME3 sticks to the formula of multiple playthroughs. So' date=' agreed, the color choices ain't it. [/quote'] Had bioware done as they promised you actually would have had both. They promised multiple endings that would have had greatly different endings depending on what choices you had made. I guess this must have ballooned beyond what they had both time and money for and was abandoned. I was referring to what carried over. I thought things with Ash/Kadien were carried over better in ME3 than ME2. Interesting that you misunderstood me and warped it to mean something that starts Ash/Kadien in ME2 without taking this as a sign. I suggest the next time something I say comes across as completely wrong' date=' try taking the time to stop and consider what else I might be actually saying. [/quote'] Please re-read that last sentence, as it quite clearly is nonsensical. I do understand (I think) what you are trying to imply but what was actually typed is.....well.... Yes, I would agree that ME3 actually addresses your love interest from ME1 (if you did have one) much better. ME2 really just ignored your love interest altogether unless you romanced Liara and played the LOTSB DLC which brings it back a bit. Bioware seems to point to Liara being the cannon LI for the series. If you didn't romance anyone in ME1 and you went after Jack or Miranda or even Tali in ME2 then be prepared for lameness with ME3. As I said before bioware just seemed to ignore much of what went on in ME2. The rachni were another case in point of this. Other than budget problems/time crunch there is no reason to have had rachni in the game at all if you killed the queen in ME1. You had some flings in ME2? I didn't explore how romances with characters introduced in ME2 played out in ME3. Disappointing? Well, if you consider ignoring that you had a romance with Miranda or Jack disappointing, then yep.
thesapien Posted April 28, 2012 Posted April 28, 2012 Granted, I was totally baked when I wrote it, but it still makes sense and the grammar looks to be correct! I'm only half baked now. Was just thinking about how we often look for what is wrong when in argue mode yet easily find what may be agreeable when in a you-know-what-mean mode. I think a lot of our arguing has to do with what mode we're in. Really, I get the impression we'd actually agree on lots of things ME if we didn't see one another as taking sides. I keep trying not to defend BioWare or ME3, but it's hard when everyone else is attacking. If everyone were loving everything about it, I'd probably be doing the opposite. Not to say I'm trolling; I just really do see this game as both a) not a horrible thing and not the best thing ever. It's really... grood. One thing I didn't like about the ending is that I thought it focused on stuff about ME that never were my favorite elements. It highlighted stuff I didn't like. This puts me in a different camp than many vocal critics because they/you see the disliked elements as being introduced and added in. My sentimental response: nope, lots of that kind of shit was here and there. You'd just been a master navigator of shit, keeping with the good shit. But the ending was quite the pile to confront. LI's are an interesting beast in ME. I don't always have an LI but do still love having the dynamic there. It's an unnecessary feature yet central as to what's also good about the series. I don't really have much to add or subtract to what you said. Yes, LotSB DLC was the climax with Liara and a fantastic one, though typical me got bored with her after that. Now she just seem so monotone and... boring. I feel bad saying that because she's supposed to be a fascinating intellectual librarian type with a dark side, but I just don't think the voice actor pulls it off, "it" being the layers. Ah, yes, the handling of the Rachni, did you try playing both? It's not my favorite mission either way, but nor is it a big problem area for me. It sucks a lot less if you don't go into it seeing how assets were reused behind the scenes. If you saved the queen before, then you're basically just saving her again, or not this time. If you didn't save the queen before, then you're confronted with a frakenstein monster of a queen made by the Reapers from Rachni parts and get to destroy it, or not this time. It's no biggy and seems to be there to spice up the variety of missions with a little dungeon crawling. So I can see why they did it that way. Yes, it still feels kind of cheap.
gregathit Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Granted' date=' I was totally baked when I wrote it, but it still makes sense and the grammar looks to be correct! I'm only half baked now. Was just thinking about how we often look for what is wrong when in argue mode yet easily find what may be agreeable when in a you-know-what-mean mode. I think a lot of our arguing has to do with what mode we're in. Really, I get the impression we'd actually agree on lots of things ME if we didn't see one another as taking sides. I keep trying not to defend BioWare or ME3, but it's hard when everyone else is attacking. If everyone were loving everything about it, I'd probably be doing the opposite. Not to say I'm trolling; I just really do see this game as both a) not a horrible thing and not the best thing ever. It's really... grood. [/quote'] Yea, I can see where you are coming from here and this is pretty normal. Bad day at work/school, fight with girl friend/wife, drunk (or working on it), or tired and it is quite easy to come off as an ass. This is compounded by being just text that can't show whether one is being lightheartedly sarcastic or just bitchy. I try my best not to get worked up and find something to laugh about as I debate. Sometimes it is fun to play devils advocate just to pick off any free loaders who are just jumping on a bandwagon. Likely we would agree on many things regarding ME universe. As to the game itself. For me it is both the extremes of the spectrum that caused me heartache. I desperately want to love it and end up loathing it due to the lack luster ending and some of the lazy or dumbed down mechanics. There are parts I really love like the entire Tachanka quest line and the one for the Quarians/Geth (a bit pissed that they didn't stick with the peace I brokered in ME2 but willing to look beyond that). These bits really show that if bioware puts their backs to the grind stone they CAN turn out very good things. It is these quests that I think make the others sound like such a sour note to me. The shear number of fetch quests that I go and do because I overheard a conversation????? Oh, well....off I go to get the rings of Alune and heaven help me since the journal is about useless for tracking active quests (that is one issue we haven't really talked about....but I digress). Long story short when excellence and total shit collide, the result is never going to be pretty and that is where I think this game is at. Perhaps the EC will make the ending palatable but unless they retconn it.......it won't be completely satisfying for me. Ah' date=' yes, the handling of the Rachni, did you try playing both? [/quote'] No, I tend to play a mostly paragon PC. I do get snippy sometimes and go renegade if I think the situation calls for it, but tend to give folks a chance (Heaven help them if they cross me again.... ). Yes' date=' it still feels kind of cheap. [/quote'] Really the rachni did not make me angry but it was rather a point that bioware just really seemed lazy on lots of things with this last installment. Horrible running animations and combo sprint/duct key and other niggles that by themselves are no big deal, but taken in total and then bundled up with the ending.....I reached my tipping point All in all I am over it and am chalking it up to a disappointment and something to point at and shake my head (and to remember why I should NEVER pre-order anything). Not planing on pulling a Milton and setting fire to anything Cheers Thesapien
thesapien Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Oh, yeah, the handling of quests, why did BioWare act like it's a new invention with their own internal method which is like no method at all? The mini-game turns into blindly scanning while traveling and randomly using the Map while walking and clicking on anyone with the option for clicking, hoping your Santa bag has their gift. The replay value of these quests screams for cheats. How did I completely miss this bit about brokering peace in ME2 between the Quarians and Geth? I keep hearing about this, maybe from you?, but don't remember it in my games. I would always use one of my favorite renegade speeches to bring shame unto the admirals and save Tali's honor, then talk to Kyle Reager (name/spelling?) and leave. I played the Rachni with a save that had the queen alive and Grunt alive. I also tried a default starting game with no import, which gave me no saved queen and no Grunt. The two versions felt very different. With my import, I felt steered toward quite the dilemma of what to do. Saving the queen again felt like the best result since Grunt will then also make it out alive after the writers tease you with his death. With the default Shep, I didn't feel any dilemma because the mission was then just about taking care of a problem. The queen even says she's not really a queen and was made by the Reapers from parts, like Frankenstein, and pretty much asks to be put out of its misery, tho crazy monster then gets all crazy when you grant this. Either way, Grunt's replacement doesn't make it out alive. I mostly play paragon, too, yet agree with others that the ME system encourages all of one or the other because it doesn't allow for building up both. Then it trips you up for doing this with some curve balls in ME3, like when missing a certain renegade option ends your game. This is another one that screams cheats. ME3 also adds a new limitation, like when no amount of ren or par points opens up those options unless you also said or did something else. Not sure I like or dislike this new complexity in addition to the old, instead of just replacing it, but can see why they kept the old system for consistency. The only animation that really annoys me is just, well, the most common one, lol, of when you're jogging around out of combat. Walking isn't so bad but is painfully slow. Okay, femShep in her leather dress with masculine animations, not so good either. Beaver shot! Ah, the universal button, the one key to bind them all, yes, no, I dunno. Discloser: I play with a 360 controller on my PC. No native support, granted, so I use 3rd party software mapping and am pissed about the lack of native support still since mapping to the keyboard doesn't bring back analog movement control since keyboards are strictly digital, but nevermind that. I will say that I might still be liking combat more in ME3 than ME2 (and like ME2 combat over ME1). Rolling around is kind of cool. Since there's not much we can do about the one button, I've taken a different approach to enjoying it, to the point where I maybe wouldn't change it if I could. Can't really think of a better mapping myself, now. But what I do now is own any false moves. If I meant to run by something but instead got stuck to cover, it was my own doing. I was too close and should had steered further away or gone for the cover. The buttons work. Just try experimenting and playing around when you're not taking fire and see how well you traverse the area. It's when in combat that it's frustrating because suddenly now that perfect timing of yours needs to adapt to interrupts. Before you could run up to cover with a well timed one click and stick. Now, you might take a bullet that slightly staggers you and that one click has your head still out of cover. Sometimes you try to compensate for taking a hit by clicking twice, yet this time you weren't staggered by fire, so that second click just popped you back out of cover, or worse you jumped on top of or over it! So I can see the frustration, but am personally kind of enjoying it now. What annoys me more are the slight bugs to certain spots of cover. Some spots don't behave properly, like when you can't fire from a spot for no apparent reason. I hate dying from a mistake that I can't own up to. Funny side: Someone else in this thread made a comment about how the AI does some stupid things, like throwing a grenade that bounces back to their buddies. I wouldn't change this for the world of ME. I love seeing them do some of the same shit I accidentally do, too. The funniest is when an enemy fumbles and I respond with a blunder of my own, like hitting the cover next to me with an incendiary blast.
thesapien Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 [video=youtube] This is a decent video' date=' albeit a touch long of the mechanics problems of ME3. [/quote'] Such a great video. Everything he said was true. Wow... Such a bad video. Everything he said was false. Wow...
Riku20xx Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 I don't plan on reading all of the pages to this thread, but I'm hoping you are being sarcastic thesapien. The video definitely pointed out a good amount of issues and contradictions within the game. I'm not saying that ME3 was a bad game, but I definitely feel that if the developers had more time to spend on it, then this issue at hand wouldn't even be present.
gregathit Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 I don't plan on reading all of the pages to this thread' date=' but I'm hoping you are being sarcastic thesapien. The video definitely pointed out a good amount of issues and contradictions within the game. I'm not saying that ME3 was a bad game, but I definitely feel that if the developers had more time to spend on it, then this issue at hand wouldn't even be present. [/quote'] Thesapien is a bit of a contrarian so don't mind him at all. Hell I think half the posts in the thread are me & GSB banging on the game and him.
NokoKoko Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 I don't plan on reading all of the pages to this thread' date=' but I'm hoping you are being sarcastic thesapien. The video definitely pointed out a good amount of issues and contradictions within the game. I'm not saying that ME3 was a bad game, but I definitely feel that if the developers had more time to spend on it, then this issue at hand wouldn't even be present. [/quote'] I think he hates the game and he is too afraid to admit it. Or he hates the game, but he cannot figure out on his own why the game was shit so he makes these stupid provoking comments to see our reactions and explanations. Or maybe he is a rEAper and he is having relationship with Casey Hudson. SPECULATIONS!
GSBmodders Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 I think he hates the game and he is too afraid to admit it. Or he hates the game' date=' but he cannot figure out on his own why the game was shit so he makes these stupid provoking comments to see our reactions and explanations. Or maybe he is a rEAper and he is having relationship with Casey Hudson. SPECULATIONS! [/quote'] your reading to much into he just enjoys the debate and will openly admit he doesn't exactly care for a portion of it. That said I do enjoy frustrating the shit out him
Riku20xx Posted May 1, 2012 Posted May 1, 2012 I think he hates the game and he is too afraid to admit it. Or he hates the game' date=' but he cannot figure out on his own why the game was shit so he makes these stupid provoking comments to see our reactions and explanations. Or maybe he is a rEAper and he is having relationship with Casey Hudson. SPECULATIONS! [/quote'] your reading to much into he just enjoys the debate and will openly admit he doesn't exactly care for a portion of it. That said I do enjoy frustrating the shit out him I think that's it. Lol.
GMan2 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 You had some flings in ME2? I didn't explore how romances with characters introduced in ME2 played out in ME3. Disappointing? Well' date=' if you consider ignoring that you had a romance with Miranda or Jack disappointing, then yep. [/quote'] They didn't 'ignore' it per se....Miranda and Jack both acknowledge having a relationship with you. And Miranda you get a real 'quickie' with when you meet up with her on the Citadel the 3rd time. Jack you just get a slap to the face, followed by some lip locking...with some cheap dialogue about wanting to find a place to go. I agree wholeheartedly....Why BioWare took this approach of your LI from ME2 as being not important? (Can't think of a better way to phrase that)...but just making them to be not that big of a deal; I just don't understand.
GSBmodders Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 I agree wholeheartedly....Why BioWare took this approach of your LI from ME2 as being not important? (Can't think of a better way to phrase that)...but just making them to be not that big of a deal; I just don't understand. Multiplayer and day 1 dlc is why they took the approach that they did and why character LI's like morinth, miranda, jack, and jacob got screwed. In morinth's part there wasn't yet a true relationship established but if you did attempt to romance her by talking to her she alludes to the idea that shep might be strong enough to survive there coupling. These are only a few examples of why I dont support Bioware's reasons. How about those Asinine fetch quests we all fucking love so much no planetary exploration content that had to be cut out of the game in order to squeeze the multiplayer game and day 1 dlc onto the disk. auto dialog and the list can go on
thesapien Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 Why a sarcastic personal attack? It was a meta-play on turning words for epistemological punch. I was merely making multiple points. Perfect agreement is dangerous, and even if I did agree, I wouldn't.
thesapien Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 I don't plan on reading all of the pages to this thread' date=' but I'm hoping you are being sarcastic thesapien. The video definitely pointed out a good amount of issues and contradictions within the game. I'm not saying that ME3 was a bad game, but I definitely feel that if the developers had more time to spend on it, then this issue at hand wouldn't even be present. [/quote'] Thesapien is a bit of a contrarian so don't mind him at all. Hell I think half the posts in the thread are me & GSB banging on the game and him. Nice to return to the forums to discover I was actually talked about. The worse is to had been ignored. I can't agree with being a contrarian...
thesapien Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 I don't plan on reading all of the pages to this thread' date=' but I'm hoping you are being sarcastic thesapien. The video definitely pointed out a good amount of issues and contradictions within the game. I'm not saying that ME3 was a bad game, but I definitely feel that if the developers had more time to spend on it, then this issue at hand wouldn't even be present. [/quote'] I think he hates the game and he is too afraid to admit it. Or he hates the game, but he cannot figure out on his own why the game was shit so he makes these stupid provoking comments to see our reactions and explanations. Or maybe he is a rEAper and he is having relationship with Casey Hudson. SPECULATIONS! None of the above? I'm just guessing, but me hating the game doesn't explain how much I am still playing it. I'm embarrassed to admit how much. Maybe part of why I am enjoying it is because I started out hating it. I didn't have to face major disappointment because pre-release I considered skipping it. Galaxy at war, not my thing. Earth, been there, done that. Then post-release I heard all the negative. But, hey, it was available for "free" so I gave a cracked version a spin out of curiosity.
thesapien Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 These are only a few examples of why I dont support Bioware's reasons. How about those Asinine fetch quests we all fucking love so much no planetary exploration content that had to be cut out of the game in order to squeeze the multiplayer game and day 1 dlc onto the disk. auto dialog and the list can go on Yep, the fetch quests feel like easter egg hunting but with just plain white eggs and it's snowing. Yep, no planetary exploration. No galaxy exploration. No exploration really of any kind except maybe a little bit of that feeling on the Rachni mission. The sense of discovery fades over the series. It's another reason I wasn't looking forward to ME3 after learning for sure the direction of the series. Auto dialog? Are you referring to the Action Mode? Or, are you talking about the lack of options during certain cut-scenes?
Guest Gandalf Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 Why a sarcastic personal attack? It was a meta-play on turning words for epistemological punch. I was merely making multiple points. Perfect agreement is dangerous' date=' and even if I did agree, I wouldn't. [/quote'] Riku doesn't want to be in your meta-play and there's nothing epistemological about sarcasm. Perfect agreement is possible only if you have the ability to read minds and even if it were possible how is perfect agreement dangerous when referring to an opinion about a freaking game? Hehe Man,you kill me.
GSBmodders Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 These are only a few examples of why I dont support Bioware's reasons. How about those Asinine fetch quests we all fucking love so much no planetary exploration content that had to be cut out of the game in order to squeeze the multiplayer game and day 1 dlc onto the disk. auto dialog and the list can go on Yep' date=' the fetch quests feel like easter egg hunting but with just plain white eggs and it's snowing. Yep, no planetary exploration. No galaxy exploration. No exploration really of any kind except maybe a little bit of that feeling on the Rachni mission. The sense of discovery fades over the series. It's another reason I wasn't looking forward to ME3 after learning for sure the direction of the series. Auto dialog? Are you referring to the Action Mode? Or, are you talking about the lack of options during certain cut-scenes? [/quote'] regardless of which mode you play on there are a large amount of conversations that you have no control over the spoken dialog, which would have been fine if we at least got the point of view that we would see in normal conversations. I found this to be one of the biggest immersion breakers in the game, far worse then the EA sale pitch from our DAO camp. @ Gandalf, been meaning to ask are by chance "the wizard" from the wizards lair? http://www.superheroinecentral.com/~wizard/warning.htm
gregathit Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 I can't agree with being a contrarian... Well of course you wouldn't agree to that..... Which is proof that you indeed are..... Cheers.....
thesapien Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 Why a sarcastic personal attack? It was a meta-play on turning words for epistemological punch. I was merely making multiple points. Perfect agreement is dangerous' date=' and even if I did agree, I wouldn't. [/quote'] Riku doesn't want to be in your meta-play and there's nothing epistemological about sarcasm. Perfect agreement is possible only if you have the ability to read minds and even if it were possible how is perfect agreement dangerous when referring to an opinion about a freaking game? Hehe Man,you kill me. It wasn't sarcasm. I intentionally cut and pasted exactly what was written but in the negative. Why? Ref: Douglas Hofstadter. Not a fan? Obviously. Edit/PS: In order to be sarcastic, one mustn't endorse what they are saying whilst it not be a secret they obviously believe contrary to what words are being utilized. However, if I had to chose between the original and my negative version, I'd lean toward my edition. Thus, it doesn't really apply anyway to describe my post as sarcastic if one has been reading my other posts in this thread. Nor does it apply if one looks at it all on its own, given that it would had necessarily required a repeat of the positive affirmation in order to be poking fun of it.
thesapien Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 I can't agree with being a contrarian... Well of course you wouldn't agree to that..... Which is proof that you indeed are..... Cheers..... It's good to see that not everyone mistakes me for being sacrastic, though that one was almost too obvious.
thesapien Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 Perfect agreement is possible only if you have the ability to read minds and even if it were possible how is perfect agreement dangerous when referring to an opinion about a freaking game? Hehe Man' date='you kill me. [/quote'] Yet people report to be in agreement all the time. This person just did, which was the main reason I responded in unlike kind. Is it just a freaking game? Certainly. So let's play at real life...
Guest Gandalf Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 Perfect agreement is possible only if you have the ability to read minds and even if it were possible how is perfect agreement dangerous when referring to an opinion about a freaking game? Hehe Man' date='you kill me. [/quote'] Yet people report to be in agreement all the time. This person just did, which was the main reason I responded in unlike kind. Is it just a freaking game? Certainly. So let's play at real life... You need to quit drinking just give it up. I'll no longer try reason with you.
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