Mass Effect 3

[GSBmodders]

Instead we got a kid' date=' who I still think is some sort of Reaper mind-trick being played on Shepard. No kid in that situation wouldn't want to come out of the duct and GTFO the planet in a ship. I think it would have meant something more, if the kid lived and did go with Shep.

 

The same "vision" of the kid being used in the ending.. just made the whole thing even more ridiculous. There's a lot about ME3 I don't like in that regard.

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There was supposed to be an indoctrination sequence, it was cut from the game for a few reasons the main two being that it was to difficult to make the sequence work for console users who have to rely on a game pad and that it would be to confusing to new players who never experienced the mass effect 2 DLC

 

Unfortunately Bioware ran out of time to completely rewrite so large a portion of the game so comments from joker about your stress level, the dreams with the kid, the visions you see on the citadel before making your choice, and liara constantly checking up you had to be fudged to get them to work.

 

The same thing happened to the dark energy plot but that I believe was removed earlier and so Bioware did a far better job of wiping it out with the exception of the ending, which suffered the hardest since they did away with sheps indoctrination

 

 

[gregathit]

There have been rumors floating about that the Casey and Mack wrote the ending and didn't share it with the rest of the writers. This would help to explain why the ending is so very out of left field from the rest of the game. Personally I don't know that I believe it or even care.

 

WMD's are mentioned in the Shadow Broker DLC so there is cannon for them in the ME universe. Why we didn't launch nukes at the beginning could be explained by the suddenness of the attack but at the battle of the citadel in space it would be logical to use these type of missiles/weapons.

 

As to Anderson's quote of there always being another way, yet more evidence that the ending is a clear departure from the rest of the series as that option doesn't pop up when taking to the little punk kid at the end. Humans would rather go down fighting than kill their allies. I choose destroy as it was the best of three crappy choices. However MY Shepard would have preferred to go ignore those three options, go find the little punk kid's ai core and smash it all to hell and then fight to the death against the reapers. Killing EDI and the geth was an unacceptable option.

 

The other two crap choices were so retarded or unethical that I dismissed them out of hand.

 

 

[GSBmodders]

There have been rumors floating about that the Casey and Mack wrote the ending and didn't share it with the rest of the writers. This would help to explain why the ending is so very out of left field from the rest of the game. Personally I don't know that I believe it or even care.

 

That was declared fake by Bioware but other gaming sites are confirming that the email did infact originate from weeks or whatever that guys name is. So who knows' date=' if you read through caseys quote's from that 2.99 app though casey's own words seem to validate at least the context of that email.

 

As to Anderson's quote of there always being another way, yet more evidence that the ending is a clear departure from the rest of the series as that option doesn't pop up when taking to the little punk kid at the end. Humans would rather go down fighting than kill their allies. I choose destroy as it was the best of three crappy choices. However MY Shepard would have preferred to go ignore those three options, go find the little punk kid's ai core and smash it all to hell and then fight to the death against the reapers. Killing EDI and the geth was an unacceptable option.

 

The other two crap choices were so retarded or unethical that I dismissed them out of hand.

 

The Final Boss fight was supposed to be the Illusive man, that fight ended up getting changed and then later cut out entirely.

 

the stuff below is just stuff I read that supposedly a part of the original indoctrination end. I dont know if there is anyway to confirm any of it or if it was just speculation based off the leaked scripts developer qoutes from the app and so on.

 

(the fight supposedly involved shep fighting the effects of indoctrination and attempting to stop the illusive man at the same time. Failing to fight the indoctrination was supposed to have caused shep to shoot anderson after which the illusive would attempt to take control of the reapers. If you fought off indoctrination shep was supposed to shoot him or herself and then anderson killed the reapers

 

no idea what the other options were to be if any more existe)

 

 

 

 

 

[thesapien]

I'm not getting the sense that the haters in this thread understood the game. Is there a way to find out? Certainly. Just riddle me this: In what way was Ash right and Shep wrong?

[gregathit]

I'm not getting the sense that the haters in this thread understood the game. Is there a way to find out? Certainly. Just riddle me this: In what way was Ash right and Shep wrong?

 

If this is a comment towards the whole "haters hate cus they don't understand" BS, just save your breathe. I understand perfectly well what bioware "tried" to do and still think it is vomit spew. Why they had the brain fart that an ending different from ME2 would be acceptable to the core fans I will never understand. If they had stuck to the formula of "if you prep to the max you win or if you don't you can loose or have a Pyrrhic victory" then NONE of this rage would have taken place. This is just the type of thing that happens when you try to "get cute" with crap, and yet another nail in the coffin of why it is stupid to change course suddenly at the end. You know the old saying: "dont' fix it if it ain't broke."

 

 

As to the Ash/Shep thing: what are you going for there? The whole Ash starting attitude of aliens can F off from ME1? Only a renegade play through can go this route. A paragon can't so it invalidates the argument.

[Nexussfire]

No "hate" here. Just utter disappointment with the lazy editing. If its true things got cut and the ending was hidden till the last minute... it was a crap job from the start.

 

It's stupid they scrubbed the dark energy plot stuff, because they did introduce it in ME2 and then... no follow up in the next installment, save for the bollocksed up end.

 

I would have liked to found out why Haestrom's sun was getting bled for dark matter/energy.

 

And people have probably read this already

 

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/bioware-change-mass-effect-3-ending-194431568.html

 

 

But my translation to this is... they aren't going to redo the whole game to match up to the revision they are making to the end of the game. But they are going to revise the ending. Good. No piece of art comes out a master piece on the first go, unless time, effort and sweat and blood (figuratively) are poored into it, like the previous two games. Which are master pieces, by comparison.

[Beyound]

Didn't know there was a topic on here about Mass Effect 3. I like how alot of people think the ending is fine and there was nothing wrong with it, then people complaining about people complaining at the end.

 

Simply put Mass Effect 3 is a amazing game i would recommend it to anyone that has played the previous games even if they haven't played the previous games it still worth getting. But if i had to say one thing about the game, ending felt rushed or that bioware ran out of money or something because it was so bad with plot holes and contradictions that it was like an amateur wrote it with no idea of what happened in the previous two games or even in the third game.

 

So with plot holes and contradictions on my mind i thought over the ending and made a little list of what stood out the most for myself.

 

Mass Effect 3 Ending Nitpicking Fun!:

 

 

1.When charging beam there is no bushes or trees but after laser hits poof magic trees and bushes.

2.Anderson is no where to be seen before going into beam or during cut scene but says he followed you up.

3.Alliance crates are nicely stacked for cover at the beam even though they are not there when charging beam.

4.Everyone believes the charging force all died but yet Admiral Hacket contacts you after Anderson conversation.

5.Andersons Signal gets cut off from a distance of 20-30ft yet Admiral Hacket outside the citadel can get a signal through.

6.After going up beam Anderson says he followed you up and still gets to the control room first and yet there is only one way to it.

7.Illusive Man magical comes out no where to have a chat.

8.The terminal used to "Activate" the Crucible is exposed to space. (No walls or windows or even barriers to hold in air are present.)

9.The wound you inflicted on Anderson is somehow on Sheppard after Anderson dies.

10.Shepard passes out from what seems to be a loss of blood on the lift yet wakes up when at the top.

11.Shepards hand is hanging over the side of the lift but at the top Shep still has his/her hand.

12.God child is based on the child killed at the start which Sheppard has nightmares about and doesn't tell anyone about and i am sure the God child can't read minds.

13.God child has three voices when talking to Sheppard.

14.Yet again a place where there is no windows, walls or barriers to hold in air.

15.Colour coding of the endings are off for the Control (Illusive Man, Renegade) and Destroy (Anderson, Paragon) endings.

16.Reapers completely ignore the Crucible even when the Citadel arms are opening and the crucible docks. Even though they moved the Citadel so this wouldn't happen.

17.God child says it controls the reapers and is part of the citadel proving Sovereign didn't need to be in the galaxy to say when the reapers should return and harvest life or even open the citadel to dark space.

18.Synthesis ending machine DNA is blown into organic life with no side effects like a forth arm or anything. (Everything looks the same but with a metal shine).

19.Destroy ending (Good) Sheppard survives the Citadel exploding, entering earths atmosphere and landing in rubble to be still alive.

20.Joker is shown flying away from the blast even though he should be over earth fighting.

21.EDI is still alive after destroy ending.

22.Squad memembers that where with you on the charge to the beam, magical are on the Normandy.

23.Mass Effect 2 DLC "The arrival" shows that when a Mass Relay is destroyed it wipes out a whole solar system with the resulting explosion, Yet Mass Effect 3's Relays explosion is the same as a ship exploding.

 

 

And as for Casey Hudson saying it was a "Bittersweet" ending is BS, the ending was not sweet at all just all bitter. All the races fleets left over from the fight are left with thousands if not millions of aliens from different species. Turians and Salarians can't eat what humans or other races eat so they would die from starvation since i would doubt they would bring with them food. Then the other species would have to try to live on a heavily damaged earth that more than likely wouldn't be able to support them. And don't forget if you cured the Krogan Genophage, the Krogans would breed like mad. Also even if they all did try to get back to their own plants the distance needed to travel they would run out of fuel before reaching another human colony.

 

Just my two disappointed cents.

[gregathit]

Beyound, what is even more silly is that when you point out these GLARING issues, those that like the endings just reply with "space magic" or lash out with the hater/whining child/entitled brat arguments.........

 

I myself am not a hater, am just sorely disappointed with bioware.

 

However, that disappointment may in fact turn to hate if they try to sell me a real ending DLC

 

And as for casey hudson = intelligent.....yea, we have dismissed that claim

 

 

[thesapien]

I'm not getting the sense that the haters in this thread understood the game. Is there a way to find out? Certainly. Just riddle me this: In what way was Ash right and Shep wrong?

 

As to the Ash/Shep thing: what are you going for there? The whole Ash starting attitude of aliens can F off from ME1? Only a renegade play through can go this route. A paragon can't so it invalidates the argument.

 

No, you didn't get it. Ash was obviously wrong about that.

[gregathit]

No' date=' you didn't get it. Ash was obviously wrong about that.

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Well, as I stated not, sure what your angle is as I don't have a crystal ball that can look into your mind.....even if I did, I likely would be scared of what I might find in there

 

I know anyone that could see into mine would likely scream like a little girl and be scarred for life

 

 

 

EDIT: Ah, bioware nerves are getting a little frayed. They finally closed the thread below in which the OP contained some rather good food for thought, regardless of whether you like the endings or not. Personally, I am surprised that they didn't lock it sooner, as it really paints them with the inept brush. Still in their defense the moderators at the site have likely been overwhelmed with all the upset posters. I would be willing to bet they were told to go easy on folks so as not to further stir up the firestorm. Apparently they thought the fire would have gone out by now and are starting do some lashing out of their own.

Thread link: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349

[thesapien]

The "glaring" issues with the ending only demonstrates the lack of comprehension on the part of the average gamer. Those were meant as obvious clues but apparently not dumbed down enough.

[thesapien]

BioWare's mistake was aiming for the top of the bell curve.

 

My previous mistake was judging the game based on my low expectations initially, by only playing the demo and seeing a spoiler on youtube for the ending, and allowing myself to get caught up in the anti-EAWare attitude. After actually playing it... 180 turn. I'm so glad to had been all wrong.

 

(If I'm sounding mean and offenses, imagine reading your own words from the POV of someone on the BioWare team. This thread is ugly.)

[thesapien]

I should go.

[Beyound]

The "glaring" issues with the ending only demonstrates the lack of comprehension on the part of the average gamer. Those were meant as obvious clues but apparently not dumbed down enough.

 

The only thing that can explain off the issues with the ending is either Sheppard is hallucinating/dreaming or the popular theory indoctrination. Or do you see another explanation thesapien?

[gregathit]

The "glaring" issues with the ending only demonstrates the lack of comprehension on the part of the average gamer. Those were meant as obvious clues but apparently not dumbed down enough.

 

BioWare's mistake was aiming for the top of the bell curve.

 

My previous mistake was judging the game based on my low expectations initially' date=' by only playing the demo and seeing a spoiler on youtube for the ending, and allowing myself to get caught up in the anti-EAWare attitude. After actually playing it... 180 turn. I'm so glad to had been all wrong.

 

(If I'm sounding mean and offenses, imagine reading your own words from the POV of someone on the BioWare team. This thread is ugly.)

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Yea, well I have seen post after post saying this same tired thing so forgive me if I seem a bit irate:

 

I fully understand and even would have enjoyed the indoctrination theory approach IF it had been mid to late game with a continuation if you wisely selected the destroy option and the game continued on from there. To end the game open ended as they did is a STUPID mistake on bioware's end. If anyone's intelligence should be called into questioned it should be theirs!

 

I am not opposed to being rick rolled, just don't freaking end the game that way. A good example of what I think would have been acceptable as far as the indoctrinated theory and a game ending would have been something similar to the movie "The Usual Suspects."

 

As to bioware's feelings: F them in the ass with a razor sharp spiked bat! IMHO the game as it sits is unacceptable, and if the indoc theory turns out to be true then it is UNFINISHED. WTF...did I just pay $70 bucks for a F'ing demo or half of a game??????? As I have said before bioware tried to get cute and F'ed themselves so why should anyone feel sorry for them? Especially since they still got F'ING PAID!!!

 

If you want to look at the game as some sort of intellectual statement that is perfectly fine with me, but please don't make snide insults to my intelligence because I don't share your outlook. That sort of tack goes over like a brick no matter what circles you run in.

[Beyound]

If people listened to why people are talking about the ending then maybe they would understand more but insulting people because they voice there opinions is just low.

 

Bioware understand and have said they are listening to all the comments. If you like the ending the way it is fine don't get the DLC which may come out to change the ending.

 

For all of anyone knows the ending was to be added to or a real ending added after. To be honest the ending smells of a PR stunt gone wrong "Hey everyone the ending was Sheppard being indoctrinated here's the real ending." but as you can see people would then want to know why they paid for a full game and only got 90% of it.

 

I can understand why people are angry over the ending and then others trying to defend Bioware. But at the end of the day Bioware put themselves in that position and they shouldn't need anyone defending them since they are all big boys and girls that should be able to take criticism. And if no one criticized them on the first two games the game series wouldn't of been good as it was in the second or third game not my words but their own.

 

If they do release a indoctrinated ending i will be happy to get it. But if they don't i see no need for me to buy any DLC they release as it won't change anything. So before anyone bashes me over this last sentence it is my opinion so ;P.

 

Favourite part is where the God child pretty much says "Reapers kill organics to stop organics from creating synthetics which will kill organics." xD

[gregathit]

I agree Beyound. I am just sick and tired of my intelligence being called into question by the like the ending crowd. If they like the ending then GREAT I am happy for them.

 

I don't know where or why this "if you don't like the game you aren't intelligent nonsense came from." I don't have any problems with anyone but bioware and I have never claimed (that I am aware of anyway) to speak for anyone but myself.

 

It will be interesting to see what the "big" announcement is in April.......

Is Vegas taking bets on what it will be?????

[Mars]

Yea the ending was a cheap Deus ex machina type. It had nothing to do with the entire game, just a sort of a God figure shows up in the form of the dead child, that's lazy writing. And the choices? Green,blue and red buttons essentially with virtually the same end, bar blue eyes on humans and Shep taking a breath.

Now this is odd and a bit funny considering Casey Hudsons press release in January.

 

“It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C…..The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

 

Ehem, yea right

 

 

Then you have Joker who seemingly during the battle chickened out and somehow located for whatever reason your crew and took them with him before you blew the gates.

The only redeeming thing about the ending was that it was mercifully short as the stupidity and plot holes kept on mounting.

[gregathit]

Not to beat a dead horse......ok well maybe I am indeed doing just that

 

This thread OP has a list of the failings the ending has according to the promises made by bioware. In the end I think this whole mess boils down to expectations. Bioware put their foot in their mouth with too many statements to "set" players expectations of what the ending would be like and then changed their minds at the last second. Now as to going to court over this......that is plain silly IMHO.

 

Link: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/10204263

[Jerbsinator]

I don't see why people are happy that Bioware is going to add more to the story. The problem with that is we are still stuck with the same story and that is the whole issue. It's like putting perfume on a skunk.

[Nexussfire]

I don't see why people are happy that Bioware is going to add more to the story. The problem with that is we are still stuck with the same story and that is the whole issue. It's like putting perfume on a skunk.

 

Because I'd rather them add to the "ending" and fill the gaping holes and have it come to a different, proper conclusion. Rather than just be stuck with what is there.

 

I think I've only seen a few posts about:

 

 

How does Shepard live through the reaper beam but everything else, even TANKS and gigantic space ships get blasted to bits? There could not be an ending beyond that that could be real. . . Even other armored troops are getting incinerated. Sure Shep has some cybernetics... that makes him reaper-deathbeam-proof all of a sudden?

 

[thesapien]

The "glaring" issues with the ending only demonstrates the lack of comprehension on the part of the average gamer. Those were meant as obvious clues but apparently not dumbed down enough.

 

The only thing that can explain off the issues with the ending is either Sheppard is hallucinating/dreaming or the popular theory indoctrination. Or do you see another explanation thesapien?

 

It's the other way around. The issues only arise when you misunderstand the game. If you got it, then you got it (forgive the platitude). There are no major plot holes in ME3. The ending makes great sense as it is. If you see what looks like plot holes, then try playing it again but with more attention to detail.

[thesapien]

 

As to bioware's feelings: F them in the ass with a razor sharp spiked bat! IMHO the game as it sits is unacceptable' date=' and if the indoc theory turns out to be true then it is UNFINISHED. WTF...did I just pay $70 bucks for a F'ing demo or half of a game??????? As I have said before bioware tried to get cute and F'ed themselves so why should anyone feel sorry for them? Especially since they still got F'ING PAID!!!

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I found it to be a long and complete game with more stuff feeling like it played differently depending on my choices than previous ME games. So, to me, you sound like some crazy nutcase here.

 

If you want to look at the game as some sort of intellectual statement that is perfectly fine with me' date=' but please don't make snide insults to my intelligence because I don't share your outlook. That sort of tack goes over like a brick no matter what circles you run in.

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In our culture, it is unacceptable to ever point to the truth that intelligence is varied within the population. I get that. It's still true though. And my insults are rarely just insults. Call it brutal honesty.

 

[Nexussfire]

 

It's the other way around. The issues only arise when you misunderstand the game. If you got it, then you got it (forgive the platitude). There are no major plot holes in ME3. The ending makes great sense as it is. If you see what looks like plot holes, then try playing it again but with more attention to detail.

 

So you're saying that the ending made perfect sense to you? Really... so you didn't have any questions about it at all. I find that remarkably hard to believe.

 

If it is true, you're just the kind of customer Bad writers love.

 

[thesapien]

I don't see why people are happy that Bioware is going to add more to the story. The problem with that is we are still stuck with the same story and that is the whole issue. It's like putting perfume on a skunk.

 

Tanget: It's really mostly humans who need to cover up their ill health by masking their stink with perfume. After all, who does actually wear perfume, skunks or sapiens? Personally, I don't use anything other than water when bathing, brushing, or anything of that nature because I'm healthy. Soaps just dry the skin, so you end up over-producing oils to make up for it, making it worse and a vicious cycle. Toothpaste that kills friendly bacteria leaves your mouth open to non-friendlies, which is why a human bite is more likely to lead to infection more so than any animal bite and why people have the worse morning breath on the planet. But, I digress. Oh, I'm also completely insane. It's official.