Kpnut Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Being a fan of anime does not necessarily make one weeaboo under the stricter definition of the term, but if you are weeaboo you are almost certainly an anime fan Courtesy of 1d4chan I like anime and manga, I watch and read it but I'm not invested in the whole "Japan is the bestest nation in the world hurr durr desu~" mindset of some of the freaks who watch it. I also tend to avoid most anime fans (on the internet) aside from my mates (who like anime that is) due to the fact they're more than a bit weird.
ratrace Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Is it just me ol' fart or is youth culture all over the world undergoing a serious a rollback into childishness? What kind of escapism is that? And why haven't I seen these fluffy-cat-ears-wearing, sqealing weirdos from the Youtube clip a few posts above this one anywhere to this very day? Not that I regret it, but all of that bullcrap seems to pass me by unnoticed unless I go online. Guess that's the grace of early birth. Edit: But then again, one of my all time heroes is Al Bundy. I will rethink the twists of youthful minds.
Oversette Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 It's like that one retard in the group that says "LOL" in an actual conversation. Well, thank you. <3
Oversette Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 What, you actually do this? Sorry. I guess I spend too much time alone in my room.
...0... Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Never watch and never liked Anime. Good for them they love anime, i have different taste good for me. Good for all of us we don't have the same taste.
Guest Omega1084 Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 There's always one/a group of shitheads that ruins a good thing for everyone else by being WAY MORE INTO IT THAN THEY SHOULD BE! Anime is sadly one of those things. I almost gave up on TES thanks to a group of shitheads driving me nuts over Skyrim at one point. Glad I didn't but still. It's the same no matter where you look. There will always be someone who likes something so much and goes so far overboard because of it that you hate the thing they like by association.
Guest Ragna_Rok Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Edit: But then again, one of my all time heroes is Al Bundy. I will rethink the twists of youthful minds. al-motherfucking-bundy FTW!!!!
Lexi SubZero Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 There's always one/a group of shitheads that ruins a good thing for everyone else by being WAY MORE INTO IT THAN THEY SHOULD BE! Anime is sadly one of those things. I almost gave up on TES thanks to a group of shitheads driving me nuts over Skyrim at one point. Glad I didn't but still. It's the same no matter where you look. There will always be someone who likes something so much and goes so far overboard because of it that you hate the thing they like by association. I'd say...every single fandom has it's share of these idiots...and that goes without exceptions.
Redflyingmonkey Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 I'm thinking on the same wavelength too, the 90s were definitely the golden age of anime and manga, but as in everything, there are still some pearls that comes out sometimes. Obviously, it has to go past the asshole Japanese producers who seem to believe that every single fat ass looser type otaku strolling in the city is the entire and only fanbase for manga and anime. But dude, it's the exact same thing that is happening for TV or cinema all over the world. We can't say the whole lot of Japan is that way just because of what we see here in occidental countries. Put yourself in their place, with all the crappy TV shows, slut movies and poorly written books that occidental producers seem to love, Japanese people could think of us as degenerate morons with a dick or a pussy instead of brains. Now though, I really hate those new crappy overly colored animes just like you, I also hate K-pop, visual kei, idols (real and 3D ones, but I really hate those 3D idols with a passion), figurines, pillows with a naked anime girl drawn on it and all that bullcrap. But, we also have our share of shame, think about reality shows, emos, Cyrus, MTV and shit. What I want to say is that there are people in Japan who hate that kind of industrial animes just like there are people in Occident who hate empty brained reality shows. The whole lot of the Japanese fanbase is not a bunch of virgin animu fanboys with smelly dicks, there are some with an interest in the real potential of the genre, and producers and authors who think like them and create new gems. You just dig a little and find them, just like in everything. No excuses for the weeabos tho. Stupid trend, my eyes can't roll any higher.
Guest Ragna_Rok Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 *wonders*... did i already say "FUCK YOU, WEEABOOS!!!" ???
Guest Omega1084 Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 In the end generalisation is always a bad thing. Judging a culture by its worst isn't fair just as it isn't fair to judge it by its best. Unfortunately, like in anything, it's those stupidest that speak loudest. Like feminazies and faggot-hating, feces-flinging rednecks.
oblivionwithdongs Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 "some opinions are unsubstantiated horseshit. In order for an opinion to be valid, it needs to be well grounded, based on facts and correctly inferred, logical conclusions."
ElectricSheep Posted May 11, 2014 Author Posted May 11, 2014 "some opinions are unsubstantiated horseshit. In order for an opinion to be valid, it needs to be well grounded, based on facts and correctly inferred, logical conclusions." And? Please elaborate.
Irrational Posted May 11, 2014 Posted May 11, 2014 From a subjective standpoint, I can see what you mean in the deterioration of Anime culture. It's very much like Call of Duty where they are being milked to death and those left want more of the same slice of life, love triangle, incest, loli tropes. I myself fell off the wagon in recent years, nothing will replace the classic anime story arcs for me. The new stuff seems to focus too much on already established and liked Archetypes, which in this case seems to be the wide spectrum of Moe characters. What killed it for me was the over-saturation of Moe characters, and the lack luster story arcs that can't live up to their characters. I get recommendations to watch shows like Kill La kill saying it's good change only to be disappointed to realize it's one of those high school battle arena anime with skimpy clad armor. Newer shows hardly push new concepts and after a while I begin to feel the recycled tropes used in them. Same goes for Attack on Titan. At first it caught my attention by being extremely ruthless to its cast but then I realized it was no different from Naruto and DBZ. It's all about the main characters overcoming the impossible odds (aka "the fiery flame of youth carries us through") to save the day. I guess to summarize, I can't stand how horribly anime is written these days. To me, anime is like watching an advertisement for their characters so you'd buy their merchandise. Sure I drank the kool aid at first, but then I realized it was lacking a lot of sugar. Less about the characters, more about the story and the world. Edit: Also there's not much we can do as the reason why we are seeing this is because no one is willing to take risks. Especially in post industrial Japan where the quality of life seems to be harder to get by, so people find more and more perverse hobbies that break them away from the mundane life. Risks these days seem much more penalizing than they used to for some reason. (It might just be me and becoming older)
ActOfAnger Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 I actually like slice of life series like "Lucky Star", which seem to be the anime genre most criticised. It's just fun and easygoing and I think it's just more entertaining to me than "wester" TV shows. To be honest I don't really see a difference between slice of life anime and american sitcoms like "How I Met Your Mother".
Arcturus Fyr Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 If I was a mod, I'd have banned everyone of you by now. This thread should be locked/removed, it's a cesspool of racism and intolerance and should have no relevance to this site in general. To gvman3670: I resent that comment about 'Asians' not assimilating well into 'western culture,' as a Chinese American 'citizen' who considers himself to be 'assimilated' into that part of western culture. My 'Hell-hole' as you would say has over 2000 years of rich cultural history behind it, and I refuse to let someone like you who has no knowledge about these things insult it.
Licks Doorknobs Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 I watch anime & read manga sometimes, mainly online. I will admit, you have to have an eye for the good ones. There's a lot of crap out there, and it's because anime is, plainly put, cheap to make. I will say this though, the ones you were complaining about: Naruto, BDZ, One Piece, etcetera, are all shounen animes. They're aimed at 13-year-old boys. Which is why they're hyperactive, two-dimensional, and braindead. Like 13-year-old boys. I mainly only watch seinen animes. They're aimed at older male audiences. Ghost in the Shell, Akira, Berserk, Vampire Hunter D, the first Hellsing TV series, those are all sienens, which is probably why you liked them a lot more. If I may make a suggestion, Shiki was a phenomenal modern anime. It was dark, brutal, tragic, had an amazing soundtrack, and it didn't have that "anime" line of jokes or anything at all.
BoozeJunky Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 To OP, What happened? Moe. Moe killed Japanese animation, or at least flooded the fuck out of the market and spawned so many shitty fans that you can't even ask for a decent anime recommendation without them bleating out some more of their moe crap. It's a fucking tragedy that beautiful series like Moribito get virtually ignored while trite garbage like Lucky Star gets it's nuts sucked by anime hipsters like it's the greatest thing ever. Also, there's too much high-school shit out there. When I was actually in middle/high school, we had all kinds of great anime with adult protagonists. Now that I'm an adult, it's like pumping a dry well to find anything decent with adult characters or a decent storyline with any depth that doesn't turn into batshit insanity. I have to say I'm also a little disturbed at the amount of middle/high school students who end up having to fight evil. If animes were real, Japan would have more child soldiers than Somalia. One of the things that attracted me to anime as a kid was that it dealt with more complex issues, with more permanance, in a more mature fashion. I kind of expected that trend to continue and for the medium to grow up with me. Except it hasn't. Shit, half the time all the "bad guys" are just bad guys because reasons, and they end up helping the good guys to fight some universal evil and rely on the power of friendship and hope and love to create a deus ex miracle to magically save everybody. I'm not exactly expecting Dostoyevsky here, but fucking try for fuck sake. Also also, the Hellsing TV show was pretty bad, especially after they ran out of source matieral and had to wing it with that generic "Incognito"... thing... who was also bad just because reasons, for the sake of some "all flash and no substance" showdown that just left the whole damn plot hanging right where it began. No plot development. No character development. Nothing. Alucard was just a two dimensional object that existed solely to fight more powerful enemies. The Ultimate series was much better... even if only for the final showdown with Anderson, which actually developed Alucards character as a pained and tormented creature who was seeking conflict to find death and absolution for the weaknesses that lead him to that point. It's not great.. but shit, at least it's something.
BoozeJunky Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 If you're an American you should know full well that Asians don't assimilate into Western Culture and prefer to form their own little hell holes to hide away in. Dude, what the shit. That's like, every single immigrant group ever. They don't just come over and blend in automatically... there's a period of adjustment, usually about a generation or maybe two, in which immigrants tend to cluster into smaller tight-knit little communities of immigrants from their same culture for support and a familiar atmosphere. Italians, Japanese, Irish, Polish, Russian, Indians, Burmeese, French... they all do it. If YOU are an American, you should know this. My family came over around the turn of the last century, but I still have vestages of German language in my vocabulary (like yellling "Macht Schnell" when I'm pissed off and in a hurry) because that was the spoken language in many of the homes in the community that my mother grew up in. A snippet about the history of Fort Wayne, Indiana, from the News-Sentinel (a Ft. Wayne paper) German immigrants had been settling in Fort Wayne and the surrounding region since the 1830s, in the days of the Wabash and Erie Canal. The Germans had established churches and had taken their places in political, social and economic life. By the 1890s, the Chicago Tribune typically characterized Fort Wayne as "a most German town" whenever it reported the news here. Three daily German-language newspapers were hawked in Fort Wayne; the mayor, Charles Zollinger, was a German immigrant, as were most City Council members; and German breweries such as the Berghoff offered some of the finest beer in the Midwest. German was the language commonly used in church sermons and classroom lessons, and it was the most often-heard tongue on the streets. German clubs of every type and description, from the brotherhoods of veterans of the Kaiser's army to the sports clubs and singing fraternities, were the staple of Fort Wayne social life. There even was a Germania Park on the east bank of the St. Joe River. (Today it is a housing development). The German-American Bank (now Lincoln National Bank and Trust) was one of the most prominent institutions in town. The Lincoln Tower, built in 1929-30 as Indiana's first skyscraper, was the very symbol of German immigration: The designer, A.M. Strauss, and the builder, William Hagermann, were immigrants. The president of the bank, Charles Buesching, was the son of immigrants. But all this revelry in German heritage and culture began to unravel during World War I, when Germany became the nation's enemy. U.S. government propaganda against all that was German began to take its toll. Good citizens - even the sheriff of Allen County - who had not finished the details of becoming U.S. citizens found themselves having to register as "enemy aliens." Eavesdroppers spied on German Lutheran and German Catholic sermons, and a movement began to forbid the use of German language in the classrooms. The German-language newspapers began to disappear. Bigots and super-patriots harassed German families to give more than their neighbors did to the war's fund drives - to prove their loyalty. Some Allen County residents were beaten because of their heritage. In the wake of all this, during the 1920s and 1930s, the German texture of Fort Wayne changed, and the community gradually became increasingly like other Indiana communities. The German-American Bank changed its name to the most American thing it could think of - the Lincoln National Bank - and the English language became more popular. By the outbreak of World War II, there was little to distinguish Fort Wayne as a German community. http://egen.fortwayne.com/ns/projects/history/haw22.php tl;dr - Since pretty early on it's history, Fort Wayne was known as one big German immigrant community that even had several German-only newspaper publications, private clubs, and services specifically for German speakers - and it largely stayed that way until WWI & WWII forced them to conform to a more "Americanized" community.
Guest Omega1084 Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 I've actually been looking around for a bad guy that's bad for the sake of being bad. Nowadays every villain has some deeper motive, some deep regret or whatever that they want to overcome through their current actions. Honestly, I miss the simplicity of DBZ. There was something I could enjoy "HAHA, I'mma kill everything 'cos yes!" Sure it was the same all the time but it's better than having some shitty convoluted plot that at the end of the day gets solved by some iteration of a Spirit Bomb using the power of love/friendship/evil within. Meh!
Shadowhawk827 Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Surprised i didn't find this one earlier. I agree witht he general concensus here; modern anime is a poor substitute for the earlier stuff. The artwork was better back then, the stories were better back then... you name it. Omega1084 is right about even the cheesier stuff like DBZ that was aimed at younger audiences. Simple good vs evil with fun plotlines. In the case of DBZ, I also liked the underlying message throughout the show of "If life gets tough, work harder and overcome". Compare that to modern "everybody's a victim, nobody's responsible for their action" society and TV. Meh that's another rant though. Anyway, compare DBZ to Naruto... All I see watching Naruto is an emo kid who has to scream everything he says and has no control over his emotions. The exact opposite of a real ninja or any martial artist. But at the risk of derailing the thread, let's not totally point the finger only at Japan. American animation on TV is complete crap nowadays also, outside of the animated DVDs that DC and Marvel put out anyway. There have been some lemons there too. Look at early Warner Brothers cartoons. The characters were primative compared to the best Anime, but the actual animation was smooth as silk. The cartoons were actually funny too. Hell the old Pink Panther cartoons still make me die laughing. In the 80s, the artwork got a good bit better, and the animation was nearly as smooth. The only complaint most would have is that the shows and their plots were commercialized. GI Joe was still fun to watch though. Then the Cartoon Netowrk and others apparently decided they could hire 3 year olds to do their animation and artwork. We got stuck with stuff like Ed Edd & Eddie. At least the episodes were funny. NOW, the animation sucks, the art sucks, the stories suck and everything is massively politically correct.
Guest Omega1084 Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 It's also incredibly disgusting. The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy made me literally gag. .-.
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