shardoom Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 I have to say, I am very pleased to hear that you're going ahead with your planned Serana stuff FoxFingers. You really DO do good work with those voice files and make it fun and immersive at the same time.
Neodarkside Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 I'm working on her, yep. She's got nearly a thousand voiced lines to use, which is really great for a unique voice type. She's got a long quest line where she accompanies the player, so she's going to need a long romance arc to go with it. Right now I'm just trying to figure out how to play her. Does she need to work through all her various traumas with the player? Is she emotionally damaged and psychotic enough not to need to? Is she clingy because she's never had a friend and a lover? Is she traumatized by the Molag Bal experience? As long as she doesn't end up like Ysolda or Illdi I don't mind either way. I think she's a tough nut to break mentally, she has emotional scars but has found ways to cope with them. As for Molag Bal experience, yes she's been traumatized, if you bring Serana to the house in Markart with the Molag Bal shrine and weapon, she cowers in front of it.
nutluck Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 I'm working on her, yep. She's got nearly a thousand voiced lines to use, which is really great for a unique voice type. She's got a long quest line where she accompanies the player, so she's going to need a long romance arc to go with it. Right now I'm just trying to figure out how to play her. Does she need to work through all her various traumas with the player? Is she emotionally damaged and psychotic enough not to need to? Is she clingy because she's never had a friend and a lover? Is she traumatized by the Molag Bal experience? As long as she doesn't end up like Ysolda or Illdi I don't mind either way. I think she's a tough nut to break mentally, she has emotional scars but has found ways to cope with them. As for Molag Bal experience, yes she's been traumatized, if you bring Serana to the house in Markart with the Molag Bal shrine and weapon, she cowers in front of it. I don't see her as being clingy, she is old and keep in mind after you first free her she goes off and does her own thing for a bit before rejoining you. Also I won't spoil it for you fox but there is other indications she is more than willing to go it on her own. As far as how she is as a lover, I could see her as possible a jealous type or very stand offish. jealous cause she has not had many people close to her and wouldn't want to share. Or stand offish because she doesn't want to be hurt again like she was by her parents. So she keeps everyone at arms length and down plays how much she cares or wants to be cared about. I personally think stand offish fits her better but either could work. As for Molag Bal yeah she has issues from that. Again i could see it going two ways. One where she is a bit frigged and wants only slow passionate love making and slow to thaw to the character. or where she has embraced it(been warped into thinking that is how things are/should be or what she deserves), where she likes rough sex, the rougher the better and kinda slutty to boot. Again I could see that going either way on that. Of course this is just my own personally opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
Neodarkside Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 The way I picture her is slightly broken, she was forced into something she wasn't willing or used to and probably had sex early on and doesn't know what romantic sex is. So I'd almost see her as offering to have sex with you, which you can either accept right away, or try and show her that sex isn't required to be rough and dirty, but can be the slow and sensual kind.
FoxFingers Posted March 5, 2015 Author Posted March 5, 2015 *scratches her head all dumbfounded and confused* How about you make a romance story with your own voice for me (and other women), that is a follower that looks like the RL you? *grins* And if you don't like the way you look, you can always tweak it for Skyrim *winks* I like a semi soft male, that carries his weight well, that is also quite strong... I don't want to cuddle up to a brick nor a toothpick. I'm afraid I would make a terrible follower. I'd spend all my time pointing out the inconsistencies in the active quest's story lines while making cryptic pop culture references interspersed with L.A. slang. It'd get annoying. I'd be left hanging with Janessa in the Drunken Huntsman real quick. As long as she doesn't end up like Ysolda or Illdi I don't mind either way. I think she's a tough nut to break mentally, she has emotional scars but has found ways to cope with them. As for Molag Bal experience, yes she's been traumatized, if you bring Serana to the house in Markart with the Molag Bal shrine and weapon, she cowers in front of it. I don't see her as being clingy, she is old and keep in mind after you first free her she goes off and does her own thing for a bit before rejoining you. Also I won't spoil it for you fox but there is other indications she is more than willing to go it on her own. As far as how she is as a lover, I could see her as possible a jealous type or very stand offish. jealous cause she has not had many people close to her and wouldn't want to share. Or stand offish because she doesn't want to be hurt again like she was by her parents. So she keeps everyone at arms length and down plays how much she cares or wants to be cared about. I personally think stand offish fits her better but either could work. As for Molag Bal yeah she has issues from that. Again i could see it going two ways. One where she is a bit frigged and wants only slow passionate love making and slow to thaw to the character. or where she has embraced it(been warped into thinking that is how things are/should be or what she deserves), where she likes rough sex, the rougher the better and kinda slutty to boot. Again I could see that going either way on that. Of course this is just my own personally opinion so take it with a grain of salt. The way I picture her is slightly broken, she was forced into something she wasn't willing or used to and probably had sex early on and doesn't know what romantic sex is. So I'd almost see her as offering to have sex with you, which you can either accept right away, or try and show her that sex isn't required to be rough and dirty, but can be the slow and sensual kind. Those are all really good insights into the character, thanks. That will help me shape the interactions so they seem consistent with what most players would expect. Appreciate it!
FoxFingers Posted March 5, 2015 Author Posted March 5, 2015 As long as she doesn't end up like Ysolda or Illdi I don't mind either way. Just curious... what was your perception of Illdi and how should she have been? I would be interested. The character is almost a blank slate. Her only real defining pieces of dialogue are that Nobody wants to take time to talk to her and she thinks nobody likes her.
nutluck Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 As long as she doesn't end up like Ysolda or Illdi I don't mind either way. Just curious... what was your perception of Illdi and how should she have been? I would be interested. The character is almost a blank slate. Her only real defining pieces of dialogue are that Nobody wants to take time to talk to her and she thinks nobody likes her. I know the question wasn't directed towards me and I have not done her quest yet with AA. With that said though there is some basic info we know about her. 1) She respects/likes six fingers her teacher. 2) She seems insecure and lonely talking about how she isn't well liked. 3) Several other NPC's have bad things to say about her if you listen to their conversations, so she isn't to well liked. I get the impression she is a bit of music nerd that is not very socially adept and is not well liked because of her lack of social skills. Just my opinion on the character. I have no idea how you presented her, I suppose I should find out.
Airianna Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 *scratches her head all dumbfounded and confused* How about you make a romance story with your own voice for me (and other women), that is a follower that looks like the RL you? *grins* And if you don't like the way you look, you can always tweak it for Skyrim *winks* I like a semi soft male, that carries his weight well, that is also quite strong... I don't want to cuddle up to a brick nor a toothpick. I'm afraid I would make a terrible follower. I'd spend all my time pointing out the inconsistencies in the active quest's story lines while making cryptic pop culture references interspersed with L.A. slang. It'd get annoying. I'd be left hanging with Janessa in the Drunken Huntsman real quick. Darn, but I think that would be fun, having someone fallow me and point out the inconsistancies, cause I don't like following the story lines myself. *giggles* I like to wander around myself. In fact, my current character is still level 1, with an 86 Stealth, Archery about 60, the rest are 30 and under... LOL No idea what level I would be if I went ahead and leveled up.
TBDM Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 I really had no thoughts about Illdi, as she was such a background character that I never talked to her (I don't think I can even name half of the bards in the bard's college). As for Serana, I could see her maybe being jealous or stand off-ish at first, though she warms up to the player quickly. I always thought her comments regarding traveling with you and her comments on marriage were pretty big insights into her character (She seems to like the player a lot, but doesn't want to be a nuisance, and has her own fears I guess). She also seems to be able to be very independent, though it's debatable as to whether or not she likes being that independent (considering how she sounds lonely in a number of conversations) As for sexually, I think she either would like it rough/kinky (I'm not sure if I would go so far as to say BDSM, probably lots of biting though, lol), or wanting something very slow/romantic/passionate. I really can't see her being slutty to be honest As for Molag Bal experience, yes she's been traumatized, if you bring Serana to the house in Markart with the Molag Bal shrine and weapon, she cowers in front of it. I think the experience with Molag Bal traumatized her, but more due to her comments if you try to marry her. Technically she only cowers in the house because there is the activator she can interact with, if you have any other followers who can interact with activators then they cower too. The mechanic makes her more immersive as a follower, but can cause some odd things to occur
funnymotion Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 I have a question about this Mod. Is it well playable for both sexes or just meant for one?
nutluck Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 I have a question about this Mod. Is it well playable for both sexes or just meant for one? Seems either gender works since it is mostly female NPC's and they work with female PC's.
LukeDuke Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 I'm playing as male and I can have sex with both genders with Ralof, Farkas and Vilkas, so it has gay/bi options too ;-)
shardoom Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 It's primarily aimed at a male character, the wording and sometimes actual words imply/state a male player character. Although I don't believe it is conditionalised to prevent a female character from accessing the quest/scenes also. I also believe it allows for a few male on male homosexual encounters. Although I cannot personally verify as that does not appeal to my gaming tastes and have not explored those 'avenues'.
Mord Sif Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 I've always used a female PC to play AA and have never had the impression I was assumed to be male. There is the odd comment such as "stick it in, give it a twist and the stuff comes flowing out" or "nice weapon you have there" which kind of imply I have some equipment a lady shouldn't, and as far as I understand it the mod was designed with a male PC in mind, but it works absolutely fine for the ladies. And with strap-ons built-in to SexLab, and schlongs for females available for those that want it, it really is a unisex mod.
Sacremas Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 The Farkas/Vilkas stuff is very flirty and girly, I'm just not seeing even a gay man acting like that or making them act like that... and I don't think the two of them are gay anyway. So that exists for female players at least. You also get at least one "use my body for payment" that no man would use. For the rest there's strapons, and during the lesbian scenes you get a choice ("Are you the Dominant Female?") that puts you as either top or bottom in the scene that doesn't exist for male. I haven't tried Farkas/Vilkas as male so I don't know if Dominant Male exists as well however.
MartinLL Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 The Farkas/Vilkas stuff is very flirty and girly, I'm just not seeing even a gay man acting like that or making them act like that... and I don't think the two of them are gay anyway. So that exists for female players at least. You also get at least one "use my body for payment" that no man would use. Sorry, but that's flat out sexistic. Of course there are male persons who'd say that. Even straight ones. What makes you think that only women would be willing to sell their body?
Uncle64 Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 The Farkas/Vilkas stuff is very flirty and girly, I'm just not seeing even a gay man acting like that or making them act like that... and I don't think the two of them are gay anyway. So that exists for female players at least. You also get at least one "use my body for payment" that no man would use. Sorry, but that's flat out sexistic. Of course there are male persons who'd say that. Even straight ones. What makes you think that only women would be willing to sell their body? Agree on that. I have used the option one time when I played as one male, And I am one Male to IRL. Done Vilkas\Farkas many times. So dont put us all in the same box. It is one game and the line Maramal have where he says." Love in Skyrim is hard" that line says it all. And you have your own choice to make.
Samael8096 Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Things we can extrapolate about Serana's sex life (or unlife as the case may be) from her backstory. She was 'maced' by Bal, and given that vampires register as being dead to detect life/dead spells and the fact that Bal's prefered form for mortal interaction is a giant lizard-satyr thingy, we can assume that Bal's 'maceing' is very fatal. Thus we can state that her most prominent experience with sex is quite literally being raped to death by Molag Bal. As such, Serana possibly associates sex with her death. She also possibly saw her mother and potentially father going through this as well, which is a whole extra pile of issues. She also bluntly refuses to discuss the details of her 'change' and shows an aversion to temples, despite TES vampires not being repelled or effected by holy symbols in the slightest. Its possible then, to assume that the ritual took place in a chapel dedicated to Molag Bal, one of which can be found in Volkhair Castle itself. Serana would likely favour sex acts that differ as much as possible to her encounter with Bal, so as to wash the proverbial taste out of her mouth,if so inclined, but she would likely remain abstinent over anything else. Of course, if someone of a somewhat draconic persuasion were to swoop into her unlife and be all 'hero-y', its quite possible that she may rethink her stance of abstinence.
Sacremas Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Yeah going by Vilkas and trying to trick him into giving you a kiss, then denying him it? I'm sorry, I have gay friends, and I know they would not act like that. Some parts of it sure, especially the end of the romances are very neutral, and Farkas from Dustman's Cairn and onwards is neutral, but most of Vilkas until he opens up is just... yeah. Sorry, you're not selling me on that.
shardoom Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Yeah going by Vilkas and trying to trick him into giving you a kiss, then denying him it? I'm sorry, I have gay friends, and I know they would not act like that. Some parts of it sure, especially the end of the romances are very neutral, and Farkas from Dustman's Cairn and onwards is neutral, but most of Vilkas until he opens up is just... yeah. Sorry, you're not selling me on that. The Vilkas and Farkas also have big-ass 'don't want anything to do with this kind of thing' notices on them for the male pc's (to which this mod is aimed at) to avoid watching some gay stuff. Simply because FoxFingers has given 'some' gay/feminine stuff, you can't pile this mod in with the countless other mods in LL designed for female pc's. It is quite obvious that the lovers are talking to a masculine in most of their lines.
Sacremas Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Exactly, but there's a very big difference between the Dragonborn flirting with Vilkas and denying him the kiss after making him beg for it, and the Dragonborn who goes "Girl, I will pop your cherry!" to Ildi. If that was the same person s/he'd be kinda split personality. It's clear some parts of the mod (well those two in particular) are set up for a feminime approach as opposed to the others where it's clearly a masculine approach using lines that women (including hardcore lesbians, exceptions of the ones likely to do a gender change) would never use. It's just not how we're built mentally. Personally I applaud the inclusion of Farkas and Vilkas in the feminime mood, as they happen to be the two most married-off men in Skyrim judging from female players. Hell I usually marry Farkas when I play as a woman as well. Though I did find him bonking Lydia one night when I came home... I just sat down and enjoyed while eating my sweetroll.
r5e4w3q2 Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Mildly curious about Iona, tried a quick search but didn't see her mentioned. Have not become the Thane of the Rift yet? Unappealing voice over? Haven't thought of a decent story? Still trying to figure out the 4-way animations? (Housecarl Party!) Never enough time?
Sacremas Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 No Iona yet, but she's using the same voice as Aela, so like with Ysolda/Camilla/Elisif there would be some overlap. But really I think the housecarls are covered by now, Iona is like Aela with less sexy clothes and Lydia's dialogue. I'd be much more interested in a Borgarkh expansion, just something about those tusks...
shardoom Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Lets not chase FoxFingers away. I think it's just good news that we'll be getting some Serana content, lets not push it.
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