Amorous Adventures [v3.4] (2018/06/02)

[r5e4w3q2]

Lets not chase FoxFingers away.

 

I think it's just good news that we'll be getting some Serana content, lets not push it.

 

Sorry, I do not want to apply any pressure.  Not really interested that any particular NPC gets implemented.  Just thought I had read that FoxFingers was mostly implementing them in the order that they had been met in the game.

 

So I am kinda strange and find it interesting to hear how other people's games go.

[nutluck]

Lets not chase FoxFingers away.

 

I think it's just good news that we'll be getting some Serana content, lets not push it.

 

I don't think anyone is trying to pressure fox, just discuss the varies NPC's and toss out some idea's. If Fox does more and uses some idea's great, if not. That's fine and we have a lot of great stuff already.

[Sacremas]

Thane of Riften is the single most convoluted one so it's no wonder he hasn't gotten there yet, you need to look up an NPC you had no reason to go looking for in the first place, then to the jarl, then to the warehouse, then to the jarl, then to the cave and clear them out (and it's very confusing who you need to kill), then back again and then finally you get the become thane questline, in comparison Solitude is in plain sight, even Markarth is easier. Only one that's harder is Windhelm if you're not playing as a Stormcloak in the Civil War questline, in that case kiss that house goodbye until likely very very late in the game, whereas the Imperials have no problems having a well-known stormcloak commando soldier own a house and be a thane of Solitude and walk past Castle Dour every day on his way to slaughtering more imperials.

[FoxFingers]

Things we can extrapolate about Serana's sex life (or unlife as the case may be) from her backstory.

She was 'maced' by Bal, and given that vampires register as being dead to detect life/dead spells and the fact that Bal's prefered form for mortal interaction is a giant lizard-satyr thingy, we can assume that Bal's 'maceing' is very fatal.

Thus we can state that her most prominent experience with sex is quite literally being raped to death by Molag Bal. As such, Serana possibly associates sex with her death. She also possibly saw her mother and potentially father going through this as well, which is a whole extra pile of issues. She also bluntly refuses to discuss the details of her 'change' and shows an aversion to temples, despite TES vampires not being repelled or effected by holy symbols in the slightest. Its possible then, to assume that the ritual took place in a chapel dedicated to Molag Bal, one of which can be found in Volkhair Castle itself.

Serana would likely favour sex acts that differ as much as possible to her encounter with Bal, so as to wash the proverbial taste out of her mouth,if so inclined, but she would likely remain abstinent over anything else.

Of course, if someone of a somewhat draconic persuasion were to swoop into her unlife and be all 'hero-y', its quite possible that she may rethink her stance of abstinence.

 

More good points.  She's clearly got a lot of baggage to get through.

 

Anyone see any realistic angle to drag Valerica into this, or does that just seem like a bridge too far?

 

[Pet1Pet]

If Mom is involved, then I don't see a way not to drag Dad into Amorous Adventures as well (and I don't mean a threesome, not that there is anything wrong with it).  From what I can tell, Valerica is obsessed with one thing and one thing only, to destroy her former spouse.  Sure, she mentioned about maintaining the status quo between vampires and non-vampires.  And of course, Valerica can claim Harkon's death is the only way to guarantee her (and Serana's) own safety.  Yet, from what Serana's descriptions of past events, Valerica seemed to be consumed by her hatred of Harkon.  No more no less.  

Heck, even her line after the conclusion of Dawnguard's quest line "Ahhh....it is good to be home again" sounds like "Ahhh...it is good to be home without that jerk around..."

Short ver., if Valerica is needed to fix Serana's sanity and introduction to a happy happy sex life, it would probably have to get dear old Dad be part of the family session.

That, or a threesome.

[Cricgck]

well, if you use the Mod seductress serana then Valerica gets a lot sexier and hot, so I will be glad with that idea. but I already killed Harkon, and Valerica Hated him, and... he was trying to murder Serana to fulfill the Prophecy... true to be told, I don't see a good reason to involve Harkon in the Serana amorous quest. but yeah, I really liked your idea about Valerica Foxfingers. 

[r5e4w3q2]

 

Anyone see any realistic angle to drag Valerica into this, or does that just seem like a bridge too far?

 

 

Looking to make one for each vampire/dawnguard path, or one that works for either path?

 

Even after the fallout with her husband Valerica seems very pro vampire, don't think a dawnguard path would lead to a happy ending with her.

 

Have not played the vampire side in a playthough, though the wikis say she will move back in after he is dead so might be possible that way.

[LaEspada]

well, if you use the Mod seductress serana then Valerica gets a lot sexier and hot, so I will be glad with that idea. but I already killed Harkon, and Valerica Hated him, and... she was trying to murder Serana to fulfill the Prophecy... true to be told, I don't see a good reason to involve Harkon in the Serana amorous quest. but yeah, I really liked your idea about Valerica Foxfingers. 

 

Same, the questline progression and Harkon's role doesn't really allow him to be part of the "family activities." And it makes no sense to include him directly in the quest. He's the reason for all their suffering.

 

As a way to tie in Valerica in.... I can't really think of any good way to include her in a reasonable way right now.

 

Edit.

 

Maybe have her still be a bit apprehensive about a human taking care ofher daughter so you have to "prove" yourself of sorts to her. I mean, in the questline you technically didn't do anything to earn to respect and trust. I mean you killed Harkon, but that was your original goal as a vampire hunter, not to protect Serana. Serana sort of became the main objective only after you learned of Harkon's twistedness and plans.

So proving yourself to her that you mean no harm to her and Serana and you want to protect them.

 

Also

Traveling around Skyrim with Serana can be a way to get close to each other as you teach her about the outside world. I mean she's been cooped up in a coffin for basically a few hundred years. I can imagine she's quite naive about foreign and unknown things.

[Sacremas]

She does make a few weird comments though, about the Solitude Windmill which couldn't possibly have existed a thousand years ago (she was supposedly buried before the Alessian Empire, not the Septim empire), and she was then able to see Solitude over the mountains and when she gets there it's just as she imagined... err yeah, that's a pretty vivid imagination!

 

I've also wondered how much bullshit there is in Harkon's talk about him ruling a vast empire once upon a time with unlimited power, where does that fit into the established timeline with Atmorra -> Dragon Cult -> Snow Elves --> Sarthaal --> Ysgramor and his heirs -> Wild Hunt, and so on? Serana also makes a comment around crypts about wondering if the draugr were as stupid as when she was a little girl, except that if Harkon's empire existed before Ysgramor there were no Draugr then, the Draugr got formed over hundredreds of years after the whole Sarthaal thing happened, which means that by the time the Daugr came into being Skyrim was already ruled by an empire alright, an empire of Ysgramor's heirs out of Windhelm, ,which lasted up until the Alessian Empire which she has no knowledge of. Conclusion can only be that Harkon was full of shit, he ruled maybe northern part of Haafingar and the Reach with Castle Vohikar as his seat of power, and it was a blip of existence. At best he was a glorified tribesman.

There's multiple of these disrepancies which makes me wonder if maybe Serana was bluffing about not knowing what the Empire was, and that she's actually been buried a lot less than it would appear. Durhneviir doesn't help the issue, dragons were still around in Tiber Septim's time (a red one served him as a mercenary in the Redguard game), so Duhrneviir could have lasted long after the dragon cult and the Akaviri dragonslayers. He could for all we know have only guarded Valerica for a couple of centuries, considering what the Soul Cairn does to mortals he doesn't have to have been there for a thousand years to become what he is.

 

Anyway, just some random musings, but there may be a lot more to Serana than she claims, there's all sorts of potential for hidden secrets and why she's pretending to be so much older. One thing to keep in mind is that at an early stage in the conversations with her she's got a comment like "Turns out you don't get to know much about something by sleeping with it" or something like that regarding what she knows of the Scroll, and you can ask "does this mean you want to sleep with me?" or something equally akward, and she replies "not at this rate"... which isn't an outright denial exactly. Plus there's a lot of comments you can make about Serana to Valerica for example that you genuiely care about her, and as a mortal vampire hunter and his vampire companion, I'm really only seeing a Twilight option here, I'm just not seeing Serana having become such a close friend that you're willing to risk so much for her, but love works in a lot more werid ways than friendship does... It seems like Betheda wanted there to be a romance path but that was just another thing they never got to finish, same as with explaining what Serana has to do with the Dawnguard to begin with if you take that path.

[FoxFingers]

I've gone through all Valerica's voiced lines.  She's very clear that she offered Serana to Molag Bal knowing the chances of Serana surviving it were slim.  But then, on the other hand, she's all very deeply concerned now that Serana might be killed running around with the player.

 

I guess I could make it easy on myself and just directly insert Molag Bal's will into it - then clearly they'll do anything the player wants.

 

People tend to get irritated when the way a character is portrayed in this Mod doesn't match their notions about the character.  But with these Dawnguard characters I don't think it matters anymore.  They're just all over the map with contradictions.

 

Meh, I'll just do what I do and hopefully it works out for the majority.  Thanks for all the thoughts on the characters the last few days.  It helped.

 

[LaEspada]

I've gone through all Valerica's voiced lines.  She's very clear that she offered Serana to Molag Bal knowing the chances of Serana surviving it were slim.  But then, on the other hand, she's all very deeply concerned now that Serana might be killed running around with the player.

 

I guess I could make it easy on myself and just directly insert Molag Bal's will into it - then clearly they'll do anything the player wants.

 

People tend to get irritated when the way a character is portrayed in this Mod doesn't match their notions about the character.  But with these Dawnguard characters I don't think it matters anymore.  They're just all over the map with contradictions.

 

Meh, I'll just do what I do and hopefully it works out for the majority.  Thanks for all the thoughts on the characters the last few days.  It helped.

 

Well if it's any console, I trust your artistic direction and you've proven yourself to me with your previous questlines. I trust you'll deliver an amazing experience

[Sacremas]

I think that may indeed be for the best, just do whatever you want, and regardless of what it turns out as it'll guaranteed to be better than the alternative we have now, which is a half-developed character.

 

Wouldn't mind another mother/daughter thing though if you can fit it in!

[nutluck]

 

More good points.  She's clearly got a lot of baggage to get through.

 

Anyone see any realistic angle to drag Valerica into this, or does that just seem like a bridge too far?

 

I could see possible things to include both Valerica and her Father Harkon into it depending exactly how you want this mod to be. For Valerica I could see it done either with Valerica basically telling Serana to get over things and that she shouldn't let it effect her and enjoy all her new life has to offer and try to seduce the PC to make her point. Or even try to do a three some which is creepy but I got the impression her mother was ok with the ritual so her mother is likely more than a bit twisted.

 

For Harkon I could see if you ask him about what all happened to Serana, so you could learn more to help her. I could see him getting annoyed with you wasting his time with trivial matters and see you as a possible problem to pull his daughter away from him. So I could see him after a few warnings to let it drop, offer to "show" you what Serana experienced if you want to know so bad.

[Sacremas]

Harkon and Valerica both have unique voices with a very limited amount of work done, so there's not really all that much that can be done with them. Serana works because she's got so many lines, Valerica is in one encounter and even on the Vampire side you speak to Harkon maybe three or four times.

[Neodarkside]

 

 

As long as she doesn't end up like Ysolda or Illdi I don't mind either way.

 

 

Just curious... what was your perception of Illdi and how should she have been?  I would be interested.

 

The character is almost a blank slate.  Her only real defining pieces of dialogue are that Nobody wants to take time to talk to her and she thinks nobody likes her.

 

 

 

To be honest I didn't mind Illdi. To me she comes across as a innocent and naive so I kinda liked how she was for that quest, especially the whole "You broke her" bit. Everyone kind of uses her or blames her for such so I think it fit her well.

 

As for Ysolda, didn't really picture her as a such a depraved person. Was a bit surprised at her to be honest. I see her more as someone with a skeleton in her closet, kinda like the Elf in Windhelm who has ties to the thieves guild. Ysolda just runs a few shady deals on the side. Not saying I want either changed because I did enjoy how they all turned out, just saying I was surprised at them both. Before I used AA I would use Amazing Follower Tweaks and make Illdi a follower, her expressed interest in adventuring makes her alluring and with a few beautification mods installed she isn't that bad looking. Ysolda was my first woman I married when I played on the console and she was my usual choice. I had a chuckle when I saw what her wild side was in this mod.

 

Kinda makes me wonder what could be done with some of my favorite NPCs and followers. One such is Idresa Sadri in Windhelm. Vanilla models she's rather ugly but with some mods that smooth out the dark elves faces she is really quite attractive. Was just thinking with her, possible ideas for AA involvement. She is Grimvars nanny, she has ties to the Cruel Sea house. I don't think she's a slave but I think she would want out of whatever deal she is under and probably would love to be a lover who would take her away from a city that particularly dislikes Dark Elves, especially with a murderer on the loose. She's also one of the NPCs I always turn into a follower. Another is still Brelyna Maryon and the other mages. I'd love to see a whole slew of lover options for the females there. Maybe convincing the 2 High elves to not be at each others throats and making lovers of them, maybe getting some "sexual healing" practice in with Collete the restoration mage.

 

But anyways, So what I meant was, I'd like to see something different for Serana, not in the lines of Ysolda or Illdi who came across as broken after they became lovers.

[Sacremas]

Well she is a drug dealer involved with the Khajiit caravans who frequently smuggle drugs (it's the best place to get Moon Sugar for that Elseweyr Fondue, and Moon Sugar = Cocaine basically,  with Skooma being the Crack pipe), and the tusk of a mammoth even if it wasn't to be used for... that, it was probably to convince M'adraan to open up more of the drug trade with her, she's looking to become a kingpin, wanting to take over either Belethor's or Bannered Mare (she takes over after either Bel or Hulda if they die) and likely sell drugs like moon sugar and sleeping tree sap out of it. To me that's not exactly just skeletons in the closet; she's an outright criminal that in ten years time is going to be the Whiterun equivalent of Maven Black-Briar.

[Neodarkside]

Well she is a drug dealer involved with the Khajiit caravans who frequently smuggle drugs (it's the best place to get Moon Sugar for that Elseweyr Fondue, and Moon Sugar = Cocaine basically,  with Skooma being the Crack pipe), and the tusk of a mammoth even if it wasn't to be used for... that, it was probably to convince M'adraan to open up more of the drug trade with her, she's looking to become a kingpin, wanting to take over either Belethor's or Bannered Mare (she takes over after either Bel or Hulda if they die) and likely sell drugs like moon sugar and sleeping tree sap out of it. To me that's not exactly just skeletons in the closet; she's an outright criminal that in ten years time is going to be the Whiterun equivalent of Maven Black-Briar.

 

Heh, funny thing, and not sure if Fox used the idea, but a artist used the whole "Mammoth Tusk" dildo thing in a picture for Ysolda. She started a stall selling Mammoth tusk strap ons. It was also something I thought about when I first did the quest.

 

Edit: also good point, forgot that she tends to take over businesses like that. Might just put a dagger in Belethor's back to get Ysolda in charge there on my new game.

[Cricgck]

I like where this mod is going, just to give a thought, I already finished almost every main quest (still need to play the thieves guild questline) so, I just hope the requirements for Serana don't force me to replay the Danwguard questline again... and I killed the Dawnguard and became the Vampire Leader... so... yeah, I wouldn't like to start over my game, because my Pc has always had a romantic/sexual interest in Serana... and over 200 hours is a lot of time expended in a PC.

[FoxFingers]

I like where this mod is going, just to give a thought, I already finished almost every main quest (still need to play the thieves guild questline) so, I just hope the requirements for Serana don't force me to replay the Danwguard questline again... and I killed the Dawnguard and became the Vampire Leader... so... yeah, I wouldn't like to start over my game, because my Pc has always had a romantic/sexual interest in Serana.

 

It will run through Dawnguard and start the moment she tumbles out of the coffin the first time and the player realizes she's kinda hot.

 

I mean that's the point.  I played Dawnguard and it sucked having to run all over the place with her with no romantic angle running through it.  I wouldn't want to do that again.  Ever.

 

But for people who load it into a game where Dawnguard is completed I'll see about adding a couple lines of dialogue that immediately turns her into a lover.

[nutluck]

 

I like where this mod is going, just to give a thought, I already finished almost every main quest (still need to play the thieves guild questline) so, I just hope the requirements for Serana don't force me to replay the Danwguard questline again... and I killed the Dawnguard and became the Vampire Leader... so... yeah, I wouldn't like to start over my game, because my Pc has always had a romantic/sexual interest in Serana.

 

It will run through Dawnguard and start the moment she tumbles out of the coffin the first time and the player realizes she's kinda hot.

 

I mean that's the point.  I played Dawnguard and it sucked having to run all over the place with her with no romantic angle running through it.  I wouldn't want to do that again.  Ever.

 

But for people who load it into a game where Dawnguard is completed I'll see about adding a couple lines of dialogue that immediately turns her into a lover.

 

Just curious if you have thoughts on the mother and father and if you plan to included them after our discussion about them on the previous page? Just curious.

[FoxFingers]

 

 

Just curious if you have thoughts on the mother and father and if you plan to included them after our discussion about them on the previous page? Just curious.

 

 

Harkon, nah.  He's a goner.  Valerica maybe.  All her voice files suggest she's morally ambivalent and a bit of a sick cookie.  And, honestly, Serana is hardly a paragon of morality herself.

 

Not to mention they've been locked in cells for hundreds of years.  Bored.  Hungry.

 

If I had been writing Dawnguard for Bethesda I would have pointed out that neither of these chicks had had a neck to chomp in a few centuries and here comes the beautiful, young Dovakiin walking up to them.  What do they see?  Buffet, I'm thinking. 

 

But, we'll see how it goes.

[Slammer64]

Well, I wouldn't call my male Breton Dovahkiin ... beautiful, Foxfingers   And as for young, my avatars always end up looking like they're in their mid 40's.

[FoxFingers]

Well, I wouldn't call my male Breton Dovahkiin ... beautiful, Foxfingers   And as for young, my avatars always end up looking like they're in their mid 40's.

 

You gotta look at it from their perspective.  Of course you're beautiful, carrying all that sweet, sweet Gods blessed Dragonborn blood around.  You're the hottest thing they've ever seen.

 

And it's just so fascinating the way the blood pulses in that big vein running down your neck.  Pulsing... just a little quicker now that your eyes are locked on their cleavage.  Such a beautiful neck.  If they could just have a taste of the warm, magical liquid inside it.  Just a sip.

[Sacremas]

My males are always fugly nords with eagle noses and heavy warpaint and scars, or they're orcs with as many bony things sticking out of their face as I can manage, though I did make a very gaunt, think and skeletal Breton archmage once as well. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (probably the eye with the disintergrate beam).

 

I mean, my males look like this, which is my current playthrough;

 

http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/538516512387387795/CC31DE74476189BD05E1E09648C6D1D9054E3CE0/

 

 

And my girls look more like this;

 

http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/539640601122408189/F025E53562C4EE3C328FDE7802A4467B70B7ACBA/

 

http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/538516512387387463/31462A7CA776D96FA2FDF82DCBD3298BBA8EA1B3/

 

My girls do tend to wear more clothes than the guys though, I'm too much of a Conan fan.

[r5e4w3q2]

 

Harkon, nah.  He's a goner.  Valerica maybe.  All her voice files suggest she's morally ambivalent and a bit of a sick cookie.  And, honestly, Serana is hardly a paragon of morality herself.

 

 

 

Can't really expect Serena to really grasp morality right out of the box (coffin, whatever), she grew up in a cult.  Could have whole stories about the changes her world view she will be going through.  Her figuring out how here parents both just saw her as a thing that the official story covers would really just be the beginning.