Grimbold the unlovely Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 If a straight overwrite is used, then you'll end up with both starting and Stag1 messages, resulting in duplicate messages. I'll grab the missing file and stick it in the database. Eventually I'll get round to simply making dummy blank files to prevent this issue. But of course duplicate messages are not necessarily a bad thing--if one utilizes this feature to get more text on the screen (not duplicating the text, but the feature). Is this feasible?
Guest Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 It becomes pretty cluttered, the lines kind'a bottlenecking through the display.Once Gooser's widget is finished, I may write specific start messages in addition to Stage 1, we'll see how it works. It's an option, anyway, and people can already fiddle with the settings as they like.
chajapa Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 speaking of "Gooser's widget" (that sounds like a line from one of the db files...), do we have any ETA on that? I know you're working on it and I've really avoided asking 'cause I don't want to be one of "those people".... you know... pain in the ass.... but I'm curious if there's any kind of estimate on time. I know "it'll be done when it's done". I get it. Still wondering though if there's a progress update you can share.
rydin Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Excellent reply, Decauk! On another matter, do you have (or can you direct me to) the uniquefile names for the cj, leito, and 4D animsations? I am pretty certain that some of them would display messages. 'Cunnalingus' for sure. Most of them work fine, some are just missing tags, or have incorrect tags. File below with my notes for the Non-SexLab Animation pack. Would have been handy if you let me know what's missing and where so I can update it as I am unaware of all the appropriate tags required/used. I'm due to update so I will look at said text file but please let me know of said issues in the future and your suggestions so I can help bridge the gap need to help Apropos and NSAP.
Guest Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I will do, and indeed always meant to. Dragon Age Inquisition has kind'a pulled me away from here a lot though!
Earen Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Another solution is assemble sentence not in Papyrus. Can be tricky and hard, as the point is to not pass synonym through Papyrus ... Basically rewrite a big chunk of the mod as a SKSE plugin... EDIT: Or maybe in LUA? I almost missed the last part. That's what I was thinking about. Lua is Moon, not abbreviation. I could look whether it's possible to achieve [edit] That's true big chunk And the workaround, still lua-way though, but very minimalistic - rewrite only "ReplaceTokens" part - lua will lowercase all the tokens except {ACTIVENAME} & Ko
gooser Posted January 9, 2015 Author Posted January 9, 2015 Another solution is assemble sentence not in Papyrus. Can be tricky and hard, as the point is to not pass synonym through Papyrus ... Basically rewrite a big chunk of the mod as a SKSE plugin... EDIT: Or maybe in LUA? I almost missed the last part. That's what I was thinking about. Lua is Moon, not abbreviation. I could look whether it's possible to achieve [edit] That's true big chunk And the workaround, still lua-way though, but very minimalistic - rewrite only "ReplaceTokens" part - lua will lowercase all the tokens except {ACTIVENAME} & Ko We've had discussions before about rewriting ReplaceTokens in Lua (and yes I know its not a abbreviation, I dunno why I capitalized it before) for performance reasons... I guess *this* motivation is less compelling since there's an very easy workaround...
chajapa Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Chiming in... "Cunnilingus" is a valid tag. (See THIS LIST ) and scroll down to Arrok 69 or Tricycle. There's one animation from Non-SL Animation pack that is strictly cunnilingus and it's been suggested that it be tagged "foreplay" instead of "oral". I'm here to suggest that "foreplay" is NOT correct and that it should be tagged oral and cunnilingus as that seems "standard" for the animation type. Besides, if it's ME performing that act on someone, I think we've gotten past foreplay... ANYWAYS... I'm not criticizing anyone. Just putting it out there that if not already supported, you might want to write in support for the cunnilingus tag. I realize the tags aren't actually controlled by Apropos although you do have the ability to manipulate them, but I'm making the same suggestion in the NSLAP thread to correct the tags. I realize that list is getting old, but it also seems it would be beneficial (and less work) to use what we already have instead of making up new shit.
gooser Posted January 14, 2015 Author Posted January 14, 2015 Chiming in... "Cunnilingus" is a valid tag. (See THIS LIST ) and scroll down to Arrok 69 or Tricycle. There's one animation from Non-SL Animation pack that is strictly cunnilingus and it's been suggested that it be tagged "foreplay" instead of "oral". I'm here to suggest that "foreplay" is NOT correct and that it should be tagged oral and cunnilingus as that seems "standard" for the animation type. Besides, if it's ME performing that act on someone, I think we've gotten past foreplay... ANYWAYS... I'm not criticizing anyone. Just putting it out there that if not already supported, you might want to write in support for the cunnilingus tag. I realize the tags aren't actually controlled by Apropos although you do have the ability to manipulate them, but I'm making the same suggestion in the NSLAP thread to correct the tags. I realize that list is getting old, but it also seems it would be beneficial (and less work) to use what we already have instead of making up new shit. And to make it clear to Rydin, there is a script in Apropos that runs where we modify several tags across several animations. SOOO, it really doesn't matter since we can adjust in Apropos what we think the animation should be tagged as. Also, tags are less important if files are built for the animation uniquely.
chajapa Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 OK... I thought if it was tagged "foreplay" then Apropos would not show any description. OR.... if it has like foreplay, oral .... would it display oral description even though a "foreplay" tag is in the mix?
Grimbold the unlovely Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Chiming in... "Cunnilingus" is a valid tag. (See THIS LIST ) and scroll down to Arrok 69 or Tricycle. There's one animation from Non-SL Animation pack that is strictly cunnilingus {CUT} Just a heads up that that Non-SL animation (a great animation) has the spelling 'cunnalingis' which is likely to cause grief when writing tags and messages. Odd to see such inept spelling attached to such a great animation (you would think that the maker of that animation would know exactly where to put his tongue, but the tongue-twister 'cunnalingis' is not for cunning linguists).
chajapa Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Decauk, I am attaching a couple of corrections/additions In your uniqueanimations text file the breastfeeding name has changed (zjMFbreastfeeding is now zjbreastfeedingVar) So I corrected it in the uniqueanimations file and I also renamed the FemaleActor_zjMFbreastfeeding and all of its files accordingly. Also I am including a MaleActor_zjbreastfeedingVar folder and files. All tested and working edited from the Apropos Custom 161214 zip file (still currently on 3rd post) ** EDIT ** I should clarify that this is for the 2.xx series of non-Sexlab Animation Pack. I think the file names were changed in NSAP to be in line with the file names the animation author was using in order to make maintenance easier. And I think that change happened beginning with 2.00 version. decauk-breastfeeding.zip
Guest Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Thanks for the heads up about the animation registrar tag change, I'll change that for the next release. However, as I've stated and given reason for many times before, I am not taking submissions for inclusion. If you're writing your own content, simply post it for other users to use. If you're writing MaleActor files, even better; we could use a dedicated Male db. As far as the cunnilingus animation tags go, the oral tag is the wrong choice because of its use in SexLab and Apropos. If the animation has the oral tag, Apropos will trigger the female's oral W&T functions, including messages about swallowing cum, which is clearly wrong. Other mods will also have strange effects. For example, prostitution mods may trigger cunnilingus after a dude pays a chick for a blowjob, which isn't right. The foreplay tag will allow the animation to function without triggering stuff that's associated with vaginal/anal/oral sex.
chajapa Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Sexlab has a built-in "cunnilingus" tag. If "oral" is always being taken to mean "bj" well.... ooops. I'm not arguing with anyone. Not my circus. Not my monkey. In my mind "foreplay" is just incorrect for that animation. Perhaps it should be "cunnilingus, vaginal" if "oral" is presenting a problem and I can see what you mean on that one. And, no, I'm really not going to pick nits over this. It is what it is... see "Not my circus...." reference above
karlpaws Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Was there any discussion on using separate WearAndTear_Descriptors files for vaginal and anal? Or did I miss someone posting their own files with words that work for both? I got "puckered vagina" the other night. I have tried editing or creating my own unique animation files, and found the \n discussion but I haven't re-written any using it.
Guest Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Sexlab has a built-in "cunnilingus" tag. If "oral" is always being taken to mean "bj" well.... ooops. I'm not arguing with anyone. Not my circus. Not my monkey. In my mind "foreplay" is just incorrect for that animation. Perhaps it should be "cunnilingus, vaginal" if "oral" is presenting a problem and I can see what you mean on that one. And, no, I'm really not going to pick nits over this. It is what it is... see "Not my circus...." reference above Again, a vaginal tag will trigger vaginal W&T, including messages about internal cumshots, and prostitution mods can end up triggering this animation when a dude pays for sex. Very few mods use the cunnilingus tag, if any even do, so if it gets tagged that way, the animation will rarely be seen. The foreplay tag fixes all these problems.
Deathmaw Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 So in the new version can you tie the oral descriptors currently to the blowjob tag? Then add in the Cunnilingus tag to apropos. Both animations types are tagged as oral for obvious reasons so a distinction should probably be made. Since we now have several cunnilingus animations it would probably be a good idea.
gooser Posted January 30, 2015 Author Posted January 30, 2015 So in the new version can you tie the oral descriptors currently to the blowjob tag? Then add in the Cunnilingus tag to apropos. Both animations types are tagged as oral for obvious reasons so a distinction should probably be made. Since we now have several cunnilingus animations it would probably be a good idea. Can you do some work for me? Identify which animations that use Oral, both in SL and in Non-SL Animations, that really represent BlowJobs.? Identify which animations that use Oral ... that really reprsent Cunninlingus? Including F-F animations. I can then update: 1. the patchups script to add/remove the appropriate tags 2. Update the main apropos scripts to support Blowjob as a unique tag, and Cunninglingus as a tag I also will be adding Foreplay support as requested by Decauk.
Deathmaw Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Well I can do NSAP right now. These already have the correct sexlab tags however they all have the oral tag and each group has the cunnilingus or blowjob tags so no need to change them. They just need the support built in to apropos to differentiate between oral types. Cunnilingus: leitoCunnilingus leitoThroneCunnilingus mitosFaceFemdom Blowjobs: arrokBJLedge leitoThroneBlowjob fsAcrobaticBlowjob leitoBlowjob There are also a lot of animations that have a stage one that is a blowjob but the rest are Vaginal/Anal. Not sure if you want to know the animations with over two people or not? I'll get you the list for the normal SexLab animations tomorrow I'm heading to bed soon and would need to try each one separately.
Guest Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 I would suggest simply keeping Oral for Blowjob, and Cunnilingus as its own tag, to reduce impact to other mods. As far as I'm aware, prostitution mods use oral to trigger blowjobs. If oral can mean either, a dude paying for a BJ may end up eating the chick commenting on her sucking his dick, which would be weird. The actual meanings of the words should be less important than their in game effects. I've spoken to Rydin about the tags, and he agreed with the distinction; ideally we don't want tags set up to work for one mod but not another. Is there even a blow job tag in SexLab, and if so, is it what other mods use? I actually don't even remember whether the existing BJ animations have that tag.
chajapa Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 yes... there's a blowjob tag List of SexLab tags by Ashal There are a lot of tags already in SexLab's list. Now whether or not OTHER mods use what tags for what purpose... it seems to me if there's already a tag structure supported... use it
Guest Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 I would be more interested in supported mods than a tag structure which may not actually be supported. Someone should check whether the current oral animations in SexLab have the Blowjob tag or not, and if so, is it the oral tag or the blowjob one that other mods use to call that animation? If Apropos sticks the oral tag on cunnilingus animations but it's that tag other mods use to just mean blowjobs, then us Apropos users are going to have weird things happening. When it comes down to it, all that's required is a separation of M>F and F>M oral. The actual words used as tags shouldn't be an issue, and if it screws up other mods, I say leave it alone. If we want to change tags in a major way like that, we need to check it's not going to have adverse effects first.
Grimbold the unlovely Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 I have just finished the fantastic Rigmor companion and quest mod (available on Nexus, just search "Rigmor"). It is a wonderful quest and companion mod that is crying out for Apropos messages tailored specifically to it. Just an idea. I might even try to write some.
Door Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 Is there a list with all the debuffs in their code form? Right now I can only get sneak to work. One-handed, archery, etc. failed. (Who can concentrate with a bleeding vagina?) Anyway, if there is such a list, could someone kindly point me to it. If there isn't, then I could someone tell me what effects work and what their code-name is? That way anyone could customize their debuffs much better. Thanks in advance.
JamesBlond003 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 will there be descripions for scenes where the female is the rapist and the male the victim?
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