Apropos

[karlpaws]

So, are you guys able to add your own animation tags? As in, you can have separate descriptions for say, Arrok Cowgirl and Leito Cowgirl?

 

How do you that? I figured out how to change the overall descriptions of male/female, but not specific ones.

 

To specify descriptions for a particular animation, and not just an animation type, use the UniqueAnimations file. Add the animation following the pattern of the others listed there, then write your own files to match the ones for the others.

 

Tags are things like oral, anal, vaginal, etc.

[Guest]

Edit: Disregard, I figured it out. Thank you

 

Ok, I found the unique animations file. Do I put the descriptions in there, or...?

 

Perhaps there is a link somewhere in the thread I can just read or download and change to my personal preferences?

[Toopsie]

 

 

Hmm, going back to my CTDs upon player death I've come across something. It's not Apropos that appears to be the issue, but an alternate version of its dependency, SexLab Aroused Redux.

 

I swapped back to the original SexLab Aroused and I haven't had any issues since. It's only with Redux that the crashes happen at all.

 

Personally, I think you're off track still. Redux version 16 is solid as a rock. 

Just my opinion. Not trying to be a dick or anything. But let's face it. We're modding the hell out of a game. It's bound to have goofiness and CTD-on-death might be how it's manifesting on your machine

 

I dunno, it *might* be something more basic, like the fact that Aroused is compiled against Sexlab v1.32, and Aroused Redux against v1.59c (IIRC).

Maybe something significant changed between the two versions?

 

Toopsie, what version of Sexlab are you using?

 

 

1.59c

 

This is why I'm baffled as hell, it's only just recent that this has started. I've used these mods before with zero issues, Wrye Bash is telling me everything is okay, the papyrus logs look fine. Maybe Aroused now just hates my machine.

 

[Guest]

Edit: Disregard, I figured it out. Thank you

 

Ok, I found the unique animations file. Do I put the descriptions in there, or...?

 

Perhaps there is a link somewhere in the thread I can just read or download and change to my personal preferences?

 

The uniqueanimations.txt file only includes the names of the animations to get the unique treatment. The actual descriptions go in their own folders, such as Female_leitoFeet. Take a look in those folders and copy the format.

 

That being said, the format may be about to change in terms of names.

[karlpaws]

Just in case anyone else tries this... or if I'm wrong

 

I was trying to do some female on female unique files and wondering why it wasn't showing up... then realized/rechecked Gooser's post... the FF stuff is only partially implemented

 

[abjeel]

Just in case anyone else tries this... or if I'm wrong

 

I was trying to do some female on female unique files and wondering why it wasn't showing up... then realized/rechecked Gooser's post... the FF stuff is only partially implemented

 

At least it's partially implemented and not compleetly absent like the male on male ;-;

[Guest noobsuper]

Just in case anyone else tries this... or if I'm wrong

 

I was trying to do some female on female unique files and wondering why it wasn't showing up... then realized/rechecked Gooser's post... the FF stuff is only partially implemented

 

meh, i wish you could at least use the fm/mf messages for ff ...i don't use males for sex anyways and all my females have schlong D:

that way i would just replace any "he","his" etc. with "she","her"...

[kingkururu]

Hey there guys, I'm having a problem with apropos, can anyone help me solve it? >_<

The apropos messages are not appearing on the top left of the screen, I added the mod normally via NMM, the apropos menu shows up on the MCM menu and when I open the Skyrim console I see the descriptions of the animations there but it still doesn't show up on screen. 

 

I tried using the test widget and set the hotkey and the words do appear on the top left, but when playing an actual animation nothing happens! Any solutions?

[gooser]

Hey there guys, I'm having a problem with apropos, can anyone help me solve it? >_<

The apropos messages are not appearing on the top left of the screen, I added the mod normally via NMM, the apropos menu shows up on the MCM menu and when I open the Skyrim console I see the descriptions of the animations there but it still doesn't show up on screen. 

 

I tried using the test widget and set the hotkey and the words do appear on the top left, but when playing an actual animation nothing happens! Any solutions?

 

Probably you are hitting an animation for which there is no description.

 

Enable Debug in MCM, re-run, and attach Apropos0.log to this thread.

[kingkururu]

 

Hey there guys, I'm having a problem with apropos, can anyone help me solve it? >_<

The apropos messages are not appearing on the top left of the screen, I added the mod normally via NMM, the apropos menu shows up on the MCM menu and when I open the Skyrim console I see the descriptions of the animations there but it still doesn't show up on screen. 

 

I tried using the test widget and set the hotkey and the words do appear on the top left, but when playing an actual animation nothing happens! Any solutions?

 

Probably you are hitting an animation for which there is no description.

 

Enable Debug in MCM, re-run, and attach Apropos0.log to this thread.

 

Here you go!

apropos.0.log

[gooser]

 

 

Hey there guys, I'm having a problem with apropos, can anyone help me solve it? >_<

The apropos messages are not appearing on the top left of the screen, I added the mod normally via NMM, the apropos menu shows up on the MCM menu and when I open the Skyrim console I see the descriptions of the animations there but it still doesn't show up on screen. 

 

I tried using the test widget and set the hotkey and the words do appear on the top left, but when playing an actual animation nothing happens! Any solutions?

 

Probably you are hitting an animation for which there is no description.

 

Enable Debug in MCM, re-run, and attach Apropos0.log to this thread.

 

Here you go!

 

 

DId you change any Widget settings in MCM ?

[kingkururu]

 

 

 

Hey there guys, I'm having a problem with apropos, can anyone help me solve it? >_<

The apropos messages are not appearing on the top left of the screen, I added the mod normally via NMM, the apropos menu shows up on the MCM menu and when I open the Skyrim console I see the descriptions of the animations there but it still doesn't show up on screen. 

 

I tried using the test widget and set the hotkey and the words do appear on the top left, but when playing an actual animation nothing happens! Any solutions?

 

Probably you are hitting an animation for which there is no description.

 

Enable Debug in MCM, re-run, and attach Apropos0.log to this thread.

 

Here you go!

 

 

DId you change any Widget settings in MCM ?

 

What do you mean? I've tried changing the widget to 'centre' instead of 'left', but it didn't work either so I changed it back. Aside from that I'm pretty sure I didn't touch anything else. I did toggle around setting like 'show sexlab desciption' (or something like that) to see if it made a difference.

 

I have NSAP installed as well, so I thought maybe its an animation thats not recognized, so I disabled all NSAP animations and tried the default animations that come with SL, but nothing

[karlpaws]

 

Just in case anyone else tries this... or if I'm wrong

 

I was trying to do some female on female unique files and wondering why it wasn't showing up... then realized/rechecked Gooser's post... the FF stuff is only partially implemented

 

meh, i wish you could at least use the fm/mf messages for ff ...i don't use males for sex anyways and all my females have schlong D:

that way i would just replace any "he","his" etc. with "she","her"...

 

 

Using / changing pronouns to her, she, and replacing the penis, cock variables with strapon.

 

[blueballbob]

Anyone doing custom description messages?  There a separate thread where they're shared?

[gooser]

Anyone doing custom description messages?  There a separate thread where they're shared?

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/28360-apropos-feature-request-and-descriptions-submission/

[kingkururu]

 

 

 

Hey there guys, I'm having a problem with apropos, can anyone help me solve it? >_<

The apropos messages are not appearing on the top left of the screen, I added the mod normally via NMM, the apropos menu shows up on the MCM menu and when I open the Skyrim console I see the descriptions of the animations there but it still doesn't show up on screen. 

 

I tried using the test widget and set the hotkey and the words do appear on the top left, but when playing an actual animation nothing happens! Any solutions?

 

Probably you are hitting an animation for which there is no description.

 

Enable Debug in MCM, re-run, and attach Apropos0.log to this thread.

 

Here you go!

 

 

DId you change any Widget settings in MCM ?

 

Nevermind, I found the problem, and it's quite dumb!

I actually use Immersive HUD and hide the compass ALL the time, apparently it hides the widget too!

So I just set the compass transparency to 0 instead so apropos is working fine! Sorry for the dumb mistake, and thanks for helping!

[karlpaws]

It seems hiding problems with Immersive HUD come up often enough an FAQ might be needed.

 

 

 

I am not sure if I'm doing something wrong or just misunderstood something.

 

Using the newer beta with the widgets and such... I think I have the FemaleActor_female and Female_Femaleactor sorted out, but something's confusing me.  IN the old / current Apropos this happened too.

 

If I have a _vaginal.txt and a _vaginal_stage1.txt it seems to play both of them, but it plays the stage1 file first, and the non stage file second. I do not know if this is machine lag on my end or intended behavior.  It seems to only pick it up out of the same folder, but I do not think it does it with the unique ones. I'll have to do more tests while paying attention to figure that out.

 

Mostly just want to ask if it should do this, and whether it is lag or something else that might have the display out of logical order.

[gooser]

It seems hiding problems with Immersive HUD come up often enough an FAQ might be needed.

 

 

 

I am not sure if I'm doing something wrong or just misunderstood something.

 

Using the newer beta with the widgets and such... I think I have the FemaleActor_female and Female_Femaleactor sorted out, but something's confusing me.  IN the old / current Apropos this happened too.

 

If I have a _vaginal.txt and a _vaginal_stage1.txt it seems to play both of them, but it plays the stage1 file first, and the non stage file second. I do not know if this is machine lag on my end or intended behavior.  It seems to only pick it up out of the same folder, but I do not think it does it with the unique ones. I'll have to do more tests while paying attention to figure that out.

 

Mostly just want to ask if it should do this, and whether it is lag or something else that might have the display out of logical order.

 

There used to be a delay that was inserted right before the Animation Start message was displayed - but that was removed in the current release. It could just be a matter of timing (I was never able to tell what the detectable delay was between the two, coming from SexLab's invocation), and probably not lag, between Animation Start and Stage Start. You might consider just disabling Animation Start messages in MCM, and using only the Stage messages.

[JahReit]

Just a small nit-picky request;  don't reference the PC as Dragonborn.  There is no Dragonborn in my game - and, from what I've read, many other players don't play Dragonborn.  Referring to a lowly sex slave as "Dragonborn" is a little immer-breaking.  But, if someone is playing the Dragonborn quest, then leaving the reference out wouldn't matter - everyone happy.

[karlpaws]

 

It seems hiding problems with Immersive HUD come up often enough an FAQ might be needed.

 

 

 

I am not sure if I'm doing something wrong or just misunderstood something.

 

Using the newer beta with the widgets and such... I think I have the FemaleActor_female and Female_Femaleactor sorted out, but something's confusing me.  IN the old / current Apropos this happened too.

 

If I have a _vaginal.txt and a _vaginal_stage1.txt it seems to play both of them, but it plays the stage1 file first, and the non stage file second. I do not know if this is machine lag on my end or intended behavior.  It seems to only pick it up out of the same folder, but I do not think it does it with the unique ones. I'll have to do more tests while paying attention to figure that out.

 

Mostly just want to ask if it should do this, and whether it is lag or something else that might have the display out of logical order.

 

There used to be a delay that was inserted right before the Animation Start message was displayed - but that was removed in the current release. It could just be a matter of timing (I was never able to tell what the detectable delay was between the two, coming from SexLab's invocation), and probably not lag, between Animation Start and Stage Start. You might consider just disabling Animation Start messages in MCM, and using only the Stage messages.

 

 

OK. I was hoping that a generic set starting comment could be available independant of the scene via that starting comment. Hadn't realized that the Animation start message in the MCM was for that non Stage entry. I thought it was just for console logging (as it does have a start, handy to see when the foreplay comments are done and the main, requested animation starts).

 

Either way, I'm fine with disabling the extra line. I have also usually been removing the files entirely, from when you added the Stage1 support, and renaming them to Stage1 when there wasn't such a file supplied.

 

Now all I have to do is figure out if I have the FemaleActor_female and Female_Femaleactor stuff right, if it is bugged, or if I have primary and active mixed in a couple files and that's all that is throwing me off.

 

 

[karlpaws]

 

 

 

All of them, really.

For example, 'FemaleActor_ZynRoughStanding'.

Because it doesn't have 'FemaleActor_Male', 'FemaleActor_Female' or 'Female_FemaleActor', there's no way to differentiate between which pairing we have.

The messages should have three different versions:

 

HE picked me up and fucked me with his cock.

SHE picked me up and fucked me with a strapon.

I picked HER up and fucked HER with a strapon.

 

Might I suggest simply adding the 'Actor_target' structure to the file names? Unless you have a simpler solution?

 

You are right. It's either uniquely named files, or restructuring the innards. I prefer the file approach, because that would cause a lot less code, and probably be more performant (reading & parsing smaller vs. larger JSON files).

 

I think the format should be:

 

Male_FemaleActor_ZynRoughStanding ("HE picked me up and fucked me with his cock.")

Female_FemaleActor_ZynRoughStanding ("SHE picked me up and fucked me with a strapon.")

FemaleActor_Female_ZynRoughStanding ("I picked HER up and fucked HER with a strapon.")

 

And also I guess pegging:

 

FemaleActor_Male_ZynRoughStanding ("I picked HIM up and fucked HIS ass with a strapon.")

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, at the risk of giving myself more work to do, I'd like to propose a slight change the naming scheme to remove a confusing inconsistency.

Right now, whether the 'Actor' and the, well, other person goes first or second in the name appears to be arbitrary.

Examples:

 

FemaleActor_Male - the normal files, with the dude fucking the woman.

FemaleActor_Male - Unique files for the opposite, with the chick fucking the guy with a strapon.

MaleActor_Female - the normal files, with the dude fucking the woman.

FemaleActor_Female - PC fucking an NPC with a strapon.

Female_FemaleActor - NPC fucking the PC with a strapon.

 

Basically, a lot of the normal, non-Unique files have the opposite naming scheme to the proposed FF stuff and the Unique Animations.

For ease in keeping track of and writing content, I'd like to propose a more consistent method:

 

The person listed first is the 'traditional' position [0], or receiver. The person listed second is position [1], or giver.

This keeps the new FF & Unique Animation names in line with existing files, and means there's no confusion between normal and Unique files having the opposite names.

So...

 

FemaleActor_Male - female PC gets fucked by male NPC, both normal and unique.

Male_FemaleActor - male NPC gets fucked by a female PC with a strapon.

FemaleActor_Female - female PC gets fucked by a female NPC with a strapon.

Female_FemaleActor - female NPC gets fucked by a female PC with a strapon.

MaleActor_Female - male PC fucks a female NPC.

Female_MaleActor - female NPC fucks a male PC with a strapon.

MaleActor_Male - male PC fucks a male NPC.

Male_MaleActor - male NPC fucks a male PC.

 

FemaleActor_Bear - female PC gets fucked by a bear.

etc etc etc.

 

A nice, clean, consistent naming scheme will cause a lot less problems down the road, and less requirement to look up which naming scheme for which file type! It also means no confusion as to which party to name {PRIMARY} and {ACTIVE} (although can I clarify; position[0] is always {PRIMARY}?)

 

As for the Virgin files, and whether FF should affect it; I'd say Virgin should simply be overhauled at a later date.

I'd prefer separate files for losing your virginity to different things. For example, the virgin messages about the first taste of cum won't make a lot of sense if your PC just sucked off a strapon.

There's a lot of interesting and immersive stuff that could be done with the virgin messages, but I'd leave it for a future project.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, at the risk of giving myself more work to do, I'd like to propose a slight change the naming scheme to remove a confusing inconsistency.

Right now, whether the 'Actor' and the, well, other person goes first or second in the name appears to be arbitrary.

Examples:

 

FemaleActor_Male - the normal files, with the dude fucking the woman.

FemaleActor_Male - Unique files for the opposite, with the chick fucking the guy with a strapon.

MaleActor_Female - the normal files, with the dude fucking the woman.

FemaleActor_Female - PC fucking an NPC with a strapon.

Female_FemaleActor - NPC fucking the PC with a strapon.

 

Basically, a lot of the normal, non-Unique files have the opposite naming scheme to the proposed FF stuff and the Unique Animations.

For ease in keeping track of and writing content, I'd like to propose a more consistent method:

 

The person listed first is the 'traditional' position [0], or receiver. The person listed second is position [1], or giver.

This keeps the new FF & Unique Animation names in line with existing files, and means there's no confusion between normal and Unique files having the opposite names.

So...

 

FemaleActor_Male - female PC gets fucked by male NPC, both normal and unique.

Male_FemaleActor - male NPC gets fucked by a female PC with a strapon.

FemaleActor_Female - female PC gets fucked by a female NPC with a strapon.

Female_FemaleActor - female NPC gets fucked by a female PC with a strapon.

MaleActor_Female - male PC fucks a female NPC.

Female_MaleActor - female NPC fucks a male PC with a strapon.

MaleActor_Male - male PC fucks a male NPC.

Male_MaleActor - male NPC fucks a male PC.

 

FemaleActor_Bear - female PC gets fucked by a bear.

etc etc etc.

 

A nice, clean, consistent naming scheme will cause a lot less problems down the road, and less requirement to look up which naming scheme for which file type! It also means no confusion as to which party to name {PRIMARY} and {ACTIVE} (although can I clarify; position[0] is always {PRIMARY}?)

 

As for the Virgin files, and whether FF should affect it; I'd say Virgin should simply be overhauled at a later date.

I'd prefer separate files for losing your virginity to different things. For example, the virgin messages about the first taste of cum won't make a lot of sense if your PC just sucked off a strapon.

There's a lot of interesting and immersive stuff that could be done with the virgin messages, but I'd leave it for a future project.

 

These are good ideas. I would also like to revisit the naming scheme for rape files. Right now, only one possible rapist is considered, but as I was pointed out a normal MF animation (non-pegging) could entail the female raping the male. RIght now there is no way to convey this in the mod - only the possibility of male rapist is considered.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Should I go ahead and use the above naming scheme for the files rewrite then?

 

As for rape files, it should only affect Male/Female and creature animations. FF and MM, the aggressor is whoever has the cock/strapon.

Might I suggest keeping _Rape for all the normal above files, and adding _Victim for the missing ones? The 'Victim' name simply reversing the 'normal' role.

 

FemaleActor_Male_Vaginal_Rape - male rapes female.

FemaleActor_Male_Vaginal_Victim - female rapes male by hopping on his cock (name in same order, same scenes as above)

Male_FemaleActor_Vaginal_Victim - female rapes male with a strapon (names reversed, scene reversed, still 'vaginal' tag depending on animation used).

Male_FemaleActor_Vaginal_Rape - male rapes female by hopping on her strapon (yes, sounds weird, but someone probably wants this).

MaleActor_Female_Vaginal_Rape - male rapes female.

MaleActor_Female_Vaginal_Victim - female rapes male by jumping on his cock.

Female_MaleActor_Vaginal_Rape - male rapes female by jumping on her strapon.

Female_MaleActor_Vaginal_Victim - female rapes male with strapon.

FemaleActor_Female_Vaginal_Rape - female NPC rapes female PC with a strapon.

Female_FemaleActor_Vaginal_Rape - female PC rapes female NPC with a strapon.

FemaleActor_Female_Vaginal_Victim - female NPC rapes female PC by hopping on her strapon (yeah, still weird).

Female_FemaleActor_Vaginal_Victim - female PC rapes female NPC by hopping on her strapon.

FemaleActor_Spriggan_Vaginal_Rape - spriggan rapes female.

FemaleActor_Spriggan_Vaginal_Victim - female rapes spriggan.

 

Basically, the order of the names at the front dictates who's giving and who's taking. Actor dictates perspective. Rape or Victim dictates 'normal' roles or 'reversed' roles. Vaginal/Anal/whatever changed to ZynRoughStanding/whatever for Unique Animation files.

 

I'm aware that Spriggans aren't yet supported, just using them as an example since there are actually 'monster being raped' animations for them.

 

With a consistent naming scheme, you can also flag which ones should and should not trigger W&T.

So, no W&T to a female raping someone with a strapon. You could even add Anal and Oral W&T files for dudes, having 'vaginal' rapes against him simply add to Anal.

 

EDIT: To anyone actually watching this thread right now, yes. I have indeed just edited this post about a dozen times. This should be the final version of my proposed naming scheme!

 

 

 

 

[05/15/2015 - 01:39:05PM] Could not find or read file 'Data/Apropos/db/slutty/femaleActor_ArrokStandingForeplay/femaleActor_ArrokStandingForeplay.txt'
[05/15/2015 - 01:39:05PM] Could not find or read file 'Data/Apropos/db/femaleActor_ArrokStandingForeplay/femaleActor_ArrokStandingForeplay.txt'
[05/15/2015 - 01:39:05PM] Could not find or read file 'Data/Apropos/db/slutty/femaleActor_female/femaleActor_female_Foreplay.txt'
[05/15/2015 - 01:39:05PM] Could not find or read file 'Data/Apropos/db/femaleActor_female/femaleActor_female_Foreplay.txt'
 

 

For some reason, trying to figure this all out just gives me a headache, but I'll blame that on 3 nights of 4-5 hours of sleep and call it quits.

 

Going back through the threat I found the posts I quoted, and hid in spoilers because they're long.  I'm wondering if the funtionality discussed was implemented or if that is part of what was delayed in trade for the widget functionality released Right Now ^TM.

 

I was going through some of my logs trying to figure out if I had things right and came across the 4 lines above. I realized that it should be looking for femaleActor_female_ArrokStandingForeplay.txt if I understood everything correctly... although that would depend on how exactly the TDF Prostituion mod handles lesbian on lesbian animation calls. Maybe it should be Female_femaleActor_ArrokStandingForeplay.txt instead.

 

Eh well.

 

Help? Aspirin? Sandbag?

 

 

 

 

[nutluck]

In the last version for some reason where the wear and tear states are listed it just has ['''] use to be you could change your characters state there or see what state they was in. Not if you click it, it is blank. This might be a bug that has already been reported.

[nutluck]

Ok I was able to fix the ['''] issue, I had to uninstall and reinstall the mod to make that go away and for it to track correctly. Not sure what happened it use to work just fine and then one day it just stopped working. Nothing would fix it but a reinstall of the mod.

[Cursed Atelier]

hi i think i got a little problem not sure, i have everything installed from the main mod page.

but i dont see the slavetats when my chars is abused by deadric/creatures.

 

do i need to make any special settings?

or something else, if you need anymore information just tell me what and i will add it

 

Greetings Candiru

[gooser]

hi i think i got a little problem not sure, i have everything installed from the main mod page.

but i dont see the slavetats when my chars is abused by deadric/creatures.

 

do i need to make any special settings?

or something else, if you need anymore information just tell me what and i will add it

 

Greetings Candiru

 

Did you enable abuse textures in Apropos MCM ?