aqqh Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 TBH every time you bring topic of "make this thiefs super powerfull" makes me wonder what kind of delivery is that. Because it would have to be something ultra valueable to send a crew that makes dark brotherhood assassins look like boy scouts.
Guest Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 omg put legendary diffculty on. You'll get one shotted by boss - or basicly whoever else - and problem solved... Unless your wearing dragonscale or something that is. In other words, to lose the delivery, you have to want to stand still and let Boss hit you. You can't do anything smart like step aside or run backwards. You have to stand there like a deer staring into the headlights of a Mack truck. a solution could be a paralyse spell for the boss. get hit ---> get roped ----> get bound. I originally had a paralysis effect on the swords they use, 1 hit and it was over. As it is their level is 25% higher than yours so at lower levels they are not too bad but they get better as they go, the only thing holding them back at higher levels is their equipment. I may have to make a number of weapons and put them in a leveled list. I play on Expert but I have slowed the pace of my leveling down quite a bit, Alchemy, Smithing, Enchanting and Speechcraft give almost no xp towards the character level and the rest are reduced by 30% - 60%. The only advantage I use is I will give myself unlimited crafting supplies as collecting supplies is a waste of time to me (especially with the ridiculous crafting requirements on some armors). the other hand is, that you should be able to deal with them. the spells are more easy to dodge if it is on a weapon and your a meele player its almost imposible to finish the quest when they onehit you. but maby thats the thing all the suby players out there want to see.
Slorm Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 TBH every time you bring topic of "make this thiefs super powerfull" makes me wonder what kind of delivery is that. Because it would have to be something ultra valueable to send a crew that makes dark brotherhood assassins look like boy scouts. Hmm, depends on which way you look at it. If I was sending some guys round to collect a 10 septim debt, if I knew they might be up against the Dragonborn I think I'd send a lot of them and make sure they were tough enough for the job
Guest Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 TBH every time you bring topic of "make this thiefs super powerfull" makes me wonder what kind of delivery is that. Because it would have to be something ultra valueable to send a crew that makes dark brotherhood assassins look like boy scouts. good point, also it isnt very immersive. why would the master put all that stuff on you? i really dont wonder about my 21 recovery quest last night... if she forces her curiers to wear all that stuff she is defenitly in need of some good worrior to get her deliveries back.^^
Guest Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 TBH every time you bring topic of "make this thiefs super powerfull" makes me wonder what kind of delivery is that. Because it would have to be something ultra valueable to send a crew that makes dark brotherhood assassins look like boy scouts. Hmm, depends on which way you look at it. If I was sending some guys round to collect a 10 septim debt, if I knew they might be up against the Dragonborn I think I'd send a lot of them and make sure they were tough enough for the job well lets looke at it from the bandit perspective: theres a delivery to get, protekted from a dragonborn... that delivery must be a high value may be some ancidient plugs made of pure gold with a rubi big like a chields fist on top to make it worse to attack them. otherwise they could safe there money for hiring man, gathering weapons, poitions, scrools and armors for that attack and simple buy there stuff.^^
Slorm Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 good point, also it isnt very immersive. why would the master put all thet stuff on you? It sure isn't a way to run a business if you want your deliveries to arrive. A better approach would be to have a collar that stangles the courier if they don't make the delivery. But Master is super Dominant, she probably doesn't need the septims from the sales anyway, and no doubt takes great delight in discomforting her couriers for her own pleasure
Coopervane Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 TBH every time you bring topic of "make this thiefs super powerfull" makes me wonder what kind of delivery is that. Because it would have to be something ultra valueable to send a crew that makes dark brotherhood assassins look like boy scouts. That's why i like the Ballgag idea, it doesen't require that the enemies be suped up to crazy proportions, it just doesen't let the player cheese past them with potions. Which is rather needed, because once you figure out that you can sneak past them with an Invis potion, you will never be robbed again unless you really want to be. Besides that, it's in keeping with the master i feel, part of her does want you to deliver the package, as it would be good for her buisness, but another part of her wants you to fail, because then she gets what she wants from you on a more personal level. She pretty much wins either way. It's also not hard to belive that she would love for her couriers to present themselves this way as a simple matter of company image, it's what she does.
Slorm Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 well lets looke at it from the bandit perspective:theres a delivery to get, protekted from a dragonborn... that delivery must be a high value may be some ancidient plugs made of pure gold with a rubi big like a chields fist on top to make it worse to attack them. otherwise they could safe there money for hiring man, gathering weapons, poitions, scrools and armors for that attack and simple buy there stuff.^^ Hope we're not getting off topic here. It's not so much the value but the rarity. Bear in mind that the average citizen of Skyrim has a very basic existance so a magical item in transit by a lone courier would be a very tasty prize for a bandit.
Slorm Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 That's why i like the Ballgag idea, it doesen't require that the enemies be suped up to crazy proportions, it just doesen't let the player cheese past them with potions. Which is rather needed, because once you figure out that you can sneak past them with an Invis potion, you will never be robbed again unless you really want to be. A fair way back in this thread there was some discussion as well about having the courier wear a uniform (iirc we were talking about the maid costume) which would drop the armour bonus. IIRC this was if the pc failed a quest it would then be added as an extra punishment, but it could be added in any case like the ball gag. I'm not sure if this might tip it it too far in favour of the bandits though. Ball gag would work well though, I'll try adding it manually to see how much of a difference it makes
Morferous Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Ball gag is a nice idea, but how would we hail the customer with that thing in mouth?
Slorm Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Ball gag is a nice idea, but how would we hail the customer with that thing in mouth? Customer could have key, or pc could hand a note to the customer
Guest Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 good point, also it isnt very immersive. why would the master put all thet stuff on you? It sure isn't a way to run a business if you want your deliveries to arrive. A better approach would be to have a collar that stangles the courier if they don't make the delivery. But Master is super Dominant, she probably doesn't need the septims from the sales anyway, and no doubt takes great delight in discomforting her couriers for her own pleasure its stupid in any kind of thinking. if she isnt interestet in geting her business run than she is intrested in not pissing her customers of. you know the people of skyrim... they form a angry mop and try to kill you just becouse the arrow you shooton on a dragon that attacks riverwood acidantly hit a chicken.^^ also the master can not know that her curier isnt killed on the deliverie. ok maybe she knows that some bandits are behind that stuff but how will she know that they arent the sort that shoot first and ask questions later... for me that sounds more like the master is paying that guys to get a new pet to play with. and at last... there are many more things in skyrim that can kill you. wolfs, bears, vampires even dragons have returnt and the only thing the master is thinking of is how she get that curier uncomfortable? doesnt makes sens. edit: But Master is super Dominant once you removet the essential flag of her she isnt that though. squicks like a sceever on the first hit, runs away like a timid fawn and dies with a second strocke... on my next playtrough i make her my pet with some slavery or mindcontrole mod.^^
Slorm Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 If the ball gag is used it will need a change to the dialogue with the boss as the pc will no longer be able to speak. So change to something like "Nod head for Yes" and "Shake head for No"
Morferous Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 If the ball gag is used it will need a change to the dialogue with the boss as the pc will no longer be able to speak. So change to something like "Nod head for Yes" and "Shake head for No" I am starting to like this ball gag idea.
Coopervane Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 A fair way back in this thread there was some discussion as well about having the courier wear a uniform (iirc we were talking about the maid costume) which would drop the armour bonus. IIRC this was if the pc failed a quest it would then be added as an extra punishment, but it could be added in any case like the ball gag. I'm not sure if this might tip it it too far in favour of the bandits though. Ball gag would work well though, I'll try adding it manually to see how much of a difference it makes The problem with any outfit is that how do your deal with the CBBE/UNPB issue? Or the BBP/Non-BBP one? It causes a lot of trouble, and probably a lot more than it's worth. Anyway, to those of you raising the "but why would some bandits go to all this trouble for a package of kink gear?" question, that's already been resolved many pages back. The answer that's kinda sorta in canon right now is that they woulden't, they are not bandits, they don't give a damn what's in the package, they are hired thugs payed off by a rival to the master, and they get to collect a big fat paycheck if they can take the package from you. This is something personal between the master and someone else, the value of the package is not the question or reason. That said, it's idea time! Let's see if i can't spin this sucker in a different and fun way: What if the thugs were actually hired by the Master? Confused? Read on.. A strange person shows up in Skyrim and starts making a name for themselves, and the master takes note and develops an interest. Why do you think you get those flyers? She very much wants to meet you.. Should you be a sub, you'd make for a prized slave for her collection, and should you be a dom(me), you might be that silent partner she's been looking for to help run the store and tend to the slaves, and be a confidant. Either way, she's intriqued, but wants to test and mold you if anything is to come of it. She's a manipulator, a dominant predator, it's her passion, it's what she does. The deliveries are a ruse, a show put on for your benifit, every time she sends you out she has another courier trail you with a duplicate package, so the delivery is made regardless should you fail, all be it unbeknownst to you. Should you be submissive, these encounters and the punishment to follow will bring her great satiesfaction and help break you. Should you be dominant, they will help encourage you to overcome and achieve, set you on the path, but still letting you know that she's the top dog. Either way she gets what she wants from you. The thugs? Skyrim is full of tuff's and lowlives willing to be hired muscle for pay, they would not be too hard to come by, and this also helps explain why they don't just kill you if they succeed, they are under strict orders not to, and woulden't get paid if they did.
Slorm Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 The problem with any outfit is that how do your deal with the CBBE/UNPB issue? Or the BBP/Non-BBP one? It causes a lot of trouble, and probably a lot more than it's worth. Two ways, either equip with one of the generic skyrim clothes. A better way would be just to not allow armour the pc can then choose their own uniform or stay naked. Love your tale about Master
Veladarius Posted June 7, 2014 Author Posted June 7, 2014 Here are some of my thoughts on the Delivery quest and why I set things up as they are: 1- The Master wants you to succeed in making the delivery, I am the one that doesn't want you to . 2- I have considered having a uniform but it would have to be something that I can get permission to use and comes in UNP( and CBBE. My first choice would be the Osare Maid outfit (other uses for it as well and there are UNP/UNPB/7Base/CBBE meshes for it) 3- The items the Master puts on you are just to insure you make the delivery, unless you want to spend the rest of your life in it. 4- The bandits that attack you at the city see you as more of a pawn than anything else, this will probably change as you make additional deliveries when I rebuild it (I have ideas for the group behind the bandits) 5- Due to the number of mods that change Armor, Weapons, Combat AI and other difficulties I have to shoot for somewhere in the middle. I intend for you to lose if you rush in but if you use some tactics you can get by them. 6- Another thing about the deliveries (possible storyline later) - Master is an Agent for the Thalmor and some of these deliveries have information for operatives.
Findout Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 A fair way back in this thread there was some discussion as well about having the courier wear a uniform (iirc we were talking about the maid costume) which would drop the armour bonus. IIRC this was if the pc failed a quest it would then be added as an extra punishment, but it could be added in any case like the ball gag. I'm not sure if this might tip it it too far in favour of the bandits though. Ball gag would work well though, I'll try adding it manually to see how much of a difference it makes The problem with any outfit is that how do your deal with the CBBE/UNPB issue? Or the BBP/Non-BBP one? It causes a lot of trouble, and probably a lot more than it's worth. Anyway, to those of you raising the "but why would some bandits go to all this trouble for a package of kink gear?" question, that's already been resolved many pages back. The answer that's kinda sorta in canon right now is that they woulden't, they are not bandits, they don't give a damn what's in the package, they are hired thugs payed off by a rival to the master, and they get to collect a big fat paycheck if they can take the package from you. This is something personal between the master and someone else, the value of the package is not the question or reason. That said, it's idea time! Let's see if i can't spin this sucker in a different and fun way: What if the thugs were actually hired by the Master? Confused? Read on.. A strange person shows up in Skyrim and starts making a name for themselves, and the master takes note and develops an interest. Why do you think you get those flyers? She very much wants to meet you.. Should you be a sub, you'd make for a prized slave for her collection, and should you be a dom(me), you might be that silent partner she's been looking for to help run the store and tend to the slaves, and be a confidant. Either way, she's intriqued, but wants to test and mold you if anything is to come of it. She's a manipulator, a dominant predator, it's her passion, it's what she does. The deliveries are a ruse, a show put on for your benifit, every time she sends you out she has another courier trail you with a duplicate package, so the delivery is made regardless should you fail, all be it unbeknownst to you. Should you be submissive, these encounters and the punishment to follow will bring her great satiesfaction and help break you. Should you be dominant, they will help encourage you to overcome and achieve, set you on the path, but still letting you know that she's the top dog. Either way she gets what she wants from you. The thugs? Skyrim is full of tuff's and lowlives willing to be hired muscle for pay, they would not be too hard to come by, and this also helps explain why they don't just kill you if they succeed, they are under strict orders not to, and woulden't get paid if they did. I just typed this now, WOW. Could it be the Master has an arrangement with her customers. Has anyone looked in the package? The customer gets a discount or an extra device for taking a bogus package and the real courier is just behind to deliver the real package. Even the recovery quests maybe a bogus package. Her words if you ask about "Training" is: they all break. I'd think the bussiness is a way of funding her herd. The job letter to the dialogue to the so on and so forth is to finally break the PC reguardless of how well or not the PC is doing. So you get some keys now what, make one mistake opps keys all gone and you are on the road to sumbition. Asking the assistants questions should tip you off to the fact that they and the displays got a letter as well. If beating the currior bandits is important then you are already doing the Masters bidding. I'm not critisizing anyone's thoughts about how bandit fighting should go or not go. The ideas are interesting for sure. This mod puts a new spin on Dragonborns BOSS fights, Master is very patient, unlike Mirak sees Dragonborn as a threat, Master see Dragonborn as an asset. Master Daedra?
Morferous Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 6- Another thing about the deliveries (possible storyline later) - Master is an Agent for the Thalmor and some of these deliveries have information for operatives. We love to hate her, but making a Thalmor out of her would propably drop the love out of it. She feels more independent than that. Maybe she indeed is a part of the Dominon, but playing her own game?
Guest Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 A fair way back in this thread there was some discussion as well about having the courier wear a uniform (iirc we were talking about the maid costume) which would drop the armour bonus. IIRC this was if the pc failed a quest it would then be added as an extra punishment, but it could be added in any case like the ball gag. I'm not sure if this might tip it it too far in favour of the bandits though. Ball gag would work well though, I'll try adding it manually to see how much of a difference it makes The problem with any outfit is that how do your deal with the CBBE/UNPB issue? Or the BBP/Non-BBP one? It causes a lot of trouble, and probably a lot more than it's worth. Anyway, to those of you raising the "but why would some bandits go to all this trouble for a package of kink gear?" question, that's already been resolved many pages back. The answer that's kinda sorta in canon right now is that they woulden't, they are not bandits, they don't give a damn what's in the package, they are hired thugs payed off by a rival to the master, and they get to collect a big fat paycheck if they can take the package from you. This is something personal between the master and someone else, the value of the package is not the question or reason. That said, it's idea time! Let's see if i can't spin this sucker in a different and fun way: What if the thugs were actually hired by the Master? Confused? Read on.. A strange person shows up in Skyrim and starts making a name for themselves, and the master takes note and develops an interest. Why do you think you get those flyers? She very much wants to meet you.. Should you be a sub, you'd make for a prized slave for her collection, and should you be a dom(me), you might be that silent partner she's been looking for to help run the store and tend to the slaves, and be a confidant. Either way, she's intriqued, but wants to test and mold you if anything is to come of it. She's a manipulator, a dominant predator, it's her passion, it's what she does. The deliveries are a ruse, a show put on for your benifit, every time she sends you out she has another courier trail you with a duplicate package, so the delivery is made regardless should you fail, all be it unbeknownst to you. Should you be submissive, these encounters and the punishment to follow will bring her great satiesfaction and help break you. Should you be dominant, they will help encourage you to overcome and achieve, set you on the path , but still letting you know that she's the top dog. Either way she gets what she wants from you. The thugs? Skyrim is full of tuff's and lowlives willing to be hired muscle for pay, they would not be too hard to come by, and this also helps explain why they don't just kill you if they succeed, they are under strict orders not to, and woulden't get paid if they did. two stupid one idea.^^ only one thing, iam the top dog. and if that means i have to become high king of skyrim to send her to the execution than it will be that. Here are some of my thoughts on the Delivery quest and why I set things up as they are: 1- The Master wants you to succeed in making the delivery, I am the one that doesn't want you to . 2- I have considered having a uniform but it would have to be something that I can get permission to use and comes in UNP( and CBBE. My first choice would be the Osare Maid outfit (other uses for it as well and there are UNP/UNPB/7Base/CBBE meshes for it) 3- The items the Master puts on you are just to insure you make the delivery, unless you want to spend the rest of your life in it. 4- The bandits that attack you at the city see you as more of a pawn than anything else, this will probably change as you make additional deliveries when I rebuild it (I have ideas for the group behind the bandits) 5- Due to the number of mods that change Armor, Weapons, Combat AI and other difficulties I have to shoot for somewhere in the middle. I intend for you to lose if you rush in but if you use some tactics you can get by them. 6- Another thing about the deliveries (possible storyline later) - Master is an Agent for the Thalmor and some of these deliveries have information for operatives. 3.) they really looking bad on my argonian worrior... any chance of a more male player oriented path? 8.) like the idea, she will looke good in some kind of skimpy talmor robe.^^
aqqh Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 6- Another thing about the deliveries (possible storyline later) - Master is an Agent for the Thalmor and some of these deliveries have information for operatives. Now you've picked alot of my interest. That makes me wonder if she wouldn't want you to work for thalmor once you would be enslaved. Hell, I've always said that Skyrim civil war quest lacked third route - to support The Thalmor
squicky Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 It would be cool if a married sub player showed up for what she thought was a demonstration for Tavish only to discover that master had been training the spouse to be a dom(me) key holder for the player. This could give you another route to get things off by doing things for your spouse.
Slorm Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 5- Due to the number of mods that change Armor, Weapons, Combat AI and other difficulties I have to shoot for somewhere in the middle. I intend for you to lose if you rush in but if you use some tactics you can get by them. This is a tricky one I know as you can't take everything into account, but the ball gag would be an interesting addition to balance things and certainly in keeping as I doubt Master would want the pc wasting time speaking to other NPC's I'll try it manually later, but I suspect the pc lack of dialogue may break things
Veladarius Posted June 7, 2014 Author Posted June 7, 2014 6- Another thing about the deliveries (possible storyline later) - Master is an Agent for the Thalmor and some of these deliveries have information for operatives. We love to hate her, but making a Thalmor out of her would propably drop the love out of it. She feels more independent than that. Maybe she indeed is a part of the Dominon, but playing her own game? She would be an independent, her priority is her business (and pleasure) and would support whoever she would receive more benefit from. A fair way back in this thread there was some discussion as well about having the courier wear a uniform (iirc we were talking about the maid costume) which would drop the armour bonus. IIRC this was if the pc failed a quest it would then be added as an extra punishment, but it could be added in any case like the ball gag. I'm not sure if this might tip it it too far in favour of the bandits though. Ball gag would work well though, I'll try adding it manually to see how much of a difference it makes The problem with any outfit is that how do your deal with the CBBE/UNPB issue? Or the BBP/Non-BBP one? It causes a lot of trouble, and probably a lot more than it's worth. Anyway, to those of you raising the "but why would some bandits go to all this trouble for a package of kink gear?" question, that's already been resolved many pages back. The answer that's kinda sorta in canon right now is that they woulden't, they are not bandits, they don't give a damn what's in the package, they are hired thugs payed off by a rival to the master, and they get to collect a big fat paycheck if they can take the package from you. This is something personal between the master and someone else, the value of the package is not the question or reason. That said, it's idea time! Let's see if i can't spin this sucker in a different and fun way: What if the thugs were actually hired by the Master? Confused? Read on.. A strange person shows up in Skyrim and starts making a name for themselves, and the master takes note and develops an interest. Why do you think you get those flyers? She very much wants to meet you.. Should you be a sub, you'd make for a prized slave for her collection, and should you be a dom(me), you might be that silent partner she's been looking for to help run the store and tend to the slaves, and be a confidant. Either way, she's intriqued, but wants to test and mold you if anything is to come of it. She's a manipulator, a dominant predator, it's her passion, it's what she does. The deliveries are a ruse, a show put on for your benifit, every time she sends you out she has another courier trail you with a duplicate package, so the delivery is made regardless should you fail, all be it unbeknownst to you. Should you be submissive, these encounters and the punishment to follow will bring her great satiesfaction and help break you. Should you be dominant, they will help encourage you to overcome and achieve, set you on the path , but still letting you know that she's the top dog. Either way she gets what she wants from you. The thugs? Skyrim is full of tuff's and lowlives willing to be hired muscle for pay, they would not be too hard to come by, and this also helps explain why they don't just kill you if they succeed, they are under strict orders not to, and woulden't get paid if they did. two stupid one idea.^^ only one thing, iam the top dog. and if that means i have to become high king of skyrim to send her to the execution than it will be that. Here are some of my thoughts on the Delivery quest and why I set things up as they are: 1- The Master wants you to succeed in making the delivery, I am the one that doesn't want you to . 2- I have considered having a uniform but it would have to be something that I can get permission to use and comes in UNP( and CBBE. My first choice would be the Osare Maid outfit (other uses for it as well and there are UNP/UNPB/7Base/CBBE meshes for it) 3- The items the Master puts on you are just to insure you make the delivery, unless you want to spend the rest of your life in it. 4- The bandits that attack you at the city see you as more of a pawn than anything else, this will probably change as you make additional deliveries when I rebuild it (I have ideas for the group behind the bandits) 5- Due to the number of mods that change Armor, Weapons, Combat AI and other difficulties I have to shoot for somewhere in the middle. I intend for you to lose if you rush in but if you use some tactics you can get by them. 6- Another thing about the deliveries (possible storyline later) - Master is an Agent for the Thalmor and some of these deliveries have information for operatives. 3.) they really looking bad on my argonian worrior... any chance of a more male player oriented path? 8.) like the idea, she will looke good in some kind of skimpy talmor robe.^^ I would give an option for men as well. I understand that the Males addon is to be included in the main package at some point along with a few other smaller mods. 6- Another thing about the deliveries (possible storyline later) - Master is an Agent for the Thalmor and some of these deliveries have information for operatives. Now you've picked alot of my interest. That makes me wonder if she wouldn't want you to work for thalmor once you would be enslaved. Hell, I've always said that Skyrim civil war quest lacked third route - to support The Thalmor I see the Thalmor as a group that is playing the other two against each other, it is much easier to take over if you make 2 groups that would normally be allies into enemies. For a plot point that seemed such a large part of Skyrim they sure didn't do much with it. The analogy I have for Skyrim is it is a huge lake that is only a few inches deep, there is a lot of quests to do but none of them go very far. I would have liked to see a few other plot lines that could go on much longer than what is there.
Veladarius Posted June 7, 2014 Author Posted June 7, 2014 5- Due to the number of mods that change Armor, Weapons, Combat AI and other difficulties I have to shoot for somewhere in the middle. I intend for you to lose if you rush in but if you use some tactics you can get by them. This is a tricky one I know as you can't take everything into account, but the ball gag would be an interesting addition to balance things and certainly in keeping as I doubt Master would want the pc wasting time speaking to other NPC's I'll try it manually later, but I suspect the pc lack of dialogue may break things I can usually beat them about 1/3 of the time, usually if I can keep them separated. The 2 bandits with the boss are set to be aggressive as soon as the dialogue starts but the game does not make them aggressive until the dialogue stops. I will play around with the AI but it is rather limiting, there may be something I can do with the other 2 bandits though.
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