Sexlab Sexual Fame RELOADED

[IBAGadget]

2 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Wonderful example of what I just mentioned. Additional Whore fame options were already planned after ironing out as many current issues as possible, but I'll add this to the list. Thank you 

 

Also, currently SLSFR simply checks if you're actively the public whore in your location and gives you Whore fame over time. It also gives you Whore fame when having sex instead of Slut fame while you are the Public Whore. This latter feature could potentially be refined for better handling but I'll look into that some other time.

Hmm. SPP gives you the option of turning down prostitute requests. 

 

I wonder if the act of rejecting an approach, instead of giving you Whore fame, could instead give you Slut fame?

Just thinking about the old adage ' A whore sleeps with everyone. a slut sleeps with everyone but you'

 

That might be a mechanic that would have to be applied directly in SPP instead of your mod though, as it would have to not only register the approach, but also the outcome - yes means 'whore', no means 'slut'

[Someone92]

Cum Overlays are (were? I am a few weeks behind) currently being reworked in SexLab p+. Before you spend too much time on those hop on Scrab's discord and ask what the current plans are going forward.

 

I mean you wrote about wanting suggestions, but can't find it to verify. Will pester you regardless. :-P
Something that irked me in old SLSF was that you gain fame for men / women when you are being raped. Maybe do not gain men / women fame when you are in the "submissive" and the animation one of the following tags such as "Rough" "Ryona" "Gore" and etc.
 

[jib_buttkiss]

8 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

I would totally add that category if it had some kind of use for you.

 

I added the Unfaithful and Cuck categories as Fame Comments exclusives to give Fame Comments indirect feature support. Gristle has comments related to being Unfaithful and never had a good way to represent that in the old SLSF. Now he does, and also has an extra category to work with.

 

So if you would like me to add that category for you, I'm 100% willing. There's even a ModEvent function already built in you could use to increment that category as you please once I add it to the Fame list.

 

Other than that, yeah nothing really to do.

 

Oh yeah, if adding categories is something you're doing! I won't have any immediate use for it, but it could certainly be useful in future. I could see a dumb/ditz fame category being useful for other mods, too- word getting out that the PC is an airhead.

[foreveraloneguy]

12 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

LewdMarks is already supported via SlaveTats.

 

Concerning MME & BoS: Just saying mod names doesn't give me good info about what to support from a mod. For example, I use MME and don't know what features would translate to SLSF Reloaded. Also, other people have said Bimbos of Skyrim and provided no information on what exactly they're wanting to be added.

 

Long story short, I need more details than just "I want you to support this mod"

I use the racemenu version, not the slavetats version. So maybe just overlays added by racemenu in general? I don't think that data is available through slavetats as racemenu overlays show up as "external".

BoS means sluts. There's dialogue for asking for sex and general slutty/bimbo dialogue including giving someone your clothes. So things specific to BoS like that. I think some stuff would already be supported via more general paths, like bimbos deciding to take off their clothes and run around naked. Those should all add to slut fame. You can also pimp yourself or a bimbo, so those would add to whore fame. And of course the bimbo tattoos you get should add to slut fame along with the makeup.

 

MME has features like asking someone to milk you and milk leaking through clothes along with breast growth. And you can self-milk. So doing those things in public could add some type of fame. That could go to more a more generalized method of getting the scaling of different body parts and using that to add some type of fame.

[NymphoElf]

1 hour ago, jib_buttkiss said:

 

Oh yeah, if adding categories is something you're doing! I won't have any immediate use for it, but it could certainly be useful in future. I could see a dumb/ditz fame category being useful for other mods, too- word getting out that the PC is an airhead.

 

Ok. Sounds like "Airhead" fame is getting added to the list then. I'll add a check for Bimbos of Skyrim in the Mod Integration script and show/hide that category based on if that mod is installed.

 

I'll send you a PM with the link to SLSFR's GitHub. You can find the Mod Events you'll need in the source code there (or you can just download the mod and check the source code that way too).

[NymphoElf]

4 hours ago, foreveraloneguy said:

use the racemenu version, not the slavetats version. So maybe just overlays added by racemenu in general? I don't think that data is available through slavetats as racemenu overlays show up as "external".

 

Have you verified that "External" slots don't give you any fame or are otherwise not detected as "Active" in the SLSFR Tattoo Menu? If that's the case, perhaps I can figure something out.

 

4 hours ago, foreveraloneguy said:

You can also pimp yourself or a bimbo, so those would add to whore fame

 

SLSFR is Player focused, so I would only want to catch the player being whored out, not an NPC.

 

@jib_buttkiss can you add this feature? You'll have a better understanding of where this should be implemented. You can use ModEvents to increment Whore fame when this happens. Easy-peasy.

 

  

4 hours ago, foreveraloneguy said:

MME has features like asking someone to milk you and milk leaking through clothes along with breast growth. And you can self-milk. So doing those things in public could add some type of fame. That could go to more a more generalized method of getting the scaling of different body parts and using that to add some type of fame.

 

I feel like part of this would already fall under some type of Exhibitionist fame, which would be caught as-is. Plus, I'm not going to add extra fame types unless the mod author has some kind of use for it and will actually utilize it. Otherwise you'd effectively be getting "useless" fame.

Edited September 7, 2024 by NymphoElf

[NymphoElf]

10 hours ago, IBAGadget said:

Hmm. SPP gives you the option of turning down prostitute requests. 

 

I wonder if the act of rejecting an approach, instead of giving you Whore fame, could instead give you Slut fame?

Just thinking about the old adage ' A whore sleeps with everyone. a slut sleeps with everyone but you'

 

That might be a mechanic that would have to be applied directly in SPP instead of your mod though, as it would have to not only register the approach, but also the outcome - yes means 'whore', no means 'slut'

 

Eh. I'd rather not give "spite" fame. That can get tricky to handle and opens up potential inconsistency. The general logic I'm following is: Whores get paid, Sluts do it for free. 

[NymphoElf]

8 hours ago, Someone92 said:

Cum Overlays are (were? I am a few weeks behind) currently being reworked in SexLab p+. Before you spend too much time on those hop on Scrab's discord and ask what the current plans are going forward.

 

I mean you wrote about wanting suggestions, but can't find it to verify. Will pester you regardless. :-P
Something that irked me in old SLSF was that you gain fame for men / women when you are being raped. Maybe do not gain men / women fame when you are in the "submissive" and the animation one of the following tags such as "Rough" "Ryona" "Gore" and etc.
 

 

I'm sort of waiting on Fame Comments to be ready before making the push to 1.0. So I will make sure to inquire about that when I'm ready to make that push.

 

I'll see what I can do about filtering out "likes" fame when the act is non-consensual. While I can understand why you see that as an issue, I would argue that's partially "by design". You're not always in control of the reputation you receive in real life, so this is similarly reflected in SLSF and SLSFR with those kinds of situations.

 

Maybe I'll add an optional toggle for allowing fame when raped?

[Someone92]

2 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

I'll see what I can do about filtering out "likes" fame when the act is non-consensual. While I can understand why you see that as an issue, I would argue that's partially "by design". You're not always in control of the reputation you receive in real life, so this is similarly reflected in SLSF and SLSFR with those kinds of situations.

Hm, that's a good argument.

 

edit:

Thinking about it, making you gain like 0.5 the amount would probably best simulate that there is a mix of people you think you enjoyed it / did not enjoyed it / only care / heard with whom you had sex, but not the details of how.

Edited September 7, 2024 by Someone92

[foreveraloneguy]

12 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

Have you verified that "External" slots don't give you any fame or are otherwise not detected as "Active" in the SLSFR Tattoo Menu? If that's the case, perhaps I can figure something out.

 

I use fame comments, so I'm waiting until this and that work together to switch over to redux. I'll check once that happens. And what I was thinking was that this would largely follow the tats categories in that I had to specify that, for example, the CC Tats from BoS added slut fame. Since overlays only show up as "external" and not as part of any specific group of tats, I didn't think this would know where to assign any fame, since freckles would look the same as the sluttiest tats to slavetats.

[NymphoElf]

1 hour ago, foreveraloneguy said:

Since overlays only show up as "external" and not as part of any specific group of tats, I didn't think this would know where to assign any fame

 

Fame is assigned by used slots, not tattoo groups. You can exclude slots as mentioned in one of the changelogs. The description is lagging behind a little bit, but I'll update it once I've reached 1.0

 

I'll look into supporting racemenu overlays, but that could also open up a can of worms I'd rather not deal with, so don't take this as any sort of promise.

Edited September 8, 2024 by NymphoElf

[NymphoElf]

9 hours ago, Someone92 said:

Thinking about it, making you gain like 0.5 the amount would probably best simulate that there is a mix of people you think you enjoyed it / did not enjoyed it / only care / heard with whom you had sex, but not the details of how.

 

Maybe, but I already have two multipliers in the code that affect fame gains/decays, so I'd rather not keep stacking multipliers. I've implemented a toggle for Likes fame when raped on my end for the next update.

 

Also, I feel like the issue lands most frequently at the extremes: it's either so rare it's hardly that big of a deal, or you're enslaved and there will be tons of people spreading rumors about you anyways. I don't see many situations where there's a middle-ground to worry about. Maybe I'm wrong, but also remember that in Reloaded the fame is randomized and curved, meaning higher fame will be slower/harder to gain than lower fame.

 

Speaking of which, I'm kind of surprised that I haven't gotten any feedback on said Gain/Decay curve. I don't know if I've hit the sweet-spot on the first try, or if just too few people care about it or don't notice.

Edited September 8, 2024 by NymphoElf

[jib_buttkiss]

15 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Ok. Sounds like "Airhead" fame is getting added to the list then. I'll add a check for Bimbos of Skyrim in the Mod Integration script and show/hide that category based on if that mod is installed.

 

I'll send you a PM with the link to SLSFR's GitHub. You can find the Mod Events you'll need in the source code there (or you can just download the mod and check the source code that way too).

 

Nice! Hopefully it's a generic enough concept that other modders can get some use out of the category too.

 

15 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

can you add this feature? You'll have a better understanding of where this should be implemented. You can use ModEvents to increment Whore fame when this happens. Easy-peasy.

 

Easy. I'll chuck whore or slut fame increases into BoS where relevant.

[Someone92]

6 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

Speaking of which, I'm kind of surprised that I haven't gotten any feedback on said Gain/Decay curve. I don't know if I've hit the sweet-spot on the first try, or if just too few people care about it or don't notice.

Are there any mods making use of this mod?

From how I understood is this is a framework that other mods have to make use of, but none have been updated to do so yet...

 

I would love to be corrected, though. :-)

[IBAGadget]

3 hours ago, Someone92 said:

Are there any mods making use of this mod?

From how I understood is this is a framework that other mods have to make use of, but none have been updated to do so yet...

 

I would love to be corrected, though. 🙂

Yes, this is a framework, just as the original SLSF is. By itself, this mod will give your character fame based on Sexlab and Sexlab Aroused events, as well as character nudity level from Advanced Nudity Detection or SLA. Your PC will still gain fame levels from this mod as you travel around in skimpy (or no) clothing and having sex.

 

Other mods, like Public Whore, can use this framework to apply specific fame gains depending on how they treat the character. Got a character that runs around in a transparent thong and bikini, showing off everything, but avoids public sex displays? She might gain levels of Exibitionist much faster than she gains levels of Whore or Slut.

 

Dress demurely, but like to play with the ponies? gain levels of Likes Animals faster.

 

Other mods can also be set up to read those fame levels and trigger consequences - SLSF Fame Comments does this, triggering NPC comments based on the type and level of Fame that your PC has. Fame Comments does need to be updated to work with this Framework though.

 

does this help to clarify it a bit?

[Someone92]

But does mods like PW already make use of Reloaded? As e.g. Fame Comments has to be updated to make use of this framework instead.

[NymphoElf]

1 hour ago, Someone92 said:

But does mods like PW already make use of Reloaded? As e.g. Fame Comments has to be updated to make use of this framework instead.

 

Not right now. I can message Visio about it and see what he says. He's been away from PW for a while. I spoke with him back when Advanced Nudity Detection was released and he said he'd implement an optional system to use ANDs conditions for the Required Nudity level aspect while you're the Public Whore, but so far he hasn't officially incorporated it or updated the mod.

 

I could write a patch for PW to use SLSFR, but I would definitely prefer official implementation.

 

It's just that "as-is" SLSFR will work with PW and, from this mod's perspective, PW is supported.

[Someone92]

So testing would be to check periodically what fame values you have, and ponder if they are fitting?

What values would be considered low and high fame?

 

Also, is every instance of fame gained independent from each other? Like, having sex with a female always gives the same amount of fame every time, or do you get less if you were just seen having sex a few in-game minutes prior?

The idea here is to simulate that the second act is less novel and thus sprouts less rumors.

[NymphoElf]

10 minutes ago, Someone92 said:

So testing would be to check periodically what fame values you have, and ponder if they are fitting?

What values would be considered low and high fame?

 

Also, is every instance of fame gained independent from each other? Like, having sex with a female always gives the same amount of fame every time, or do you get less if you were just seen having sex a few in-game minutes prior?

The idea here is to simulate that the second act is less novel and thus sprouts less rumors.

 

I tried to make this clear in the description, perhaps I didn't.

 

Each act gives you a random fame increase based on your current fame at the time of the act/check.

 

On average, you'll get more fame per event if your fame is low, but less on average per event when your fame is higher.

 

The maximum you can gain gets lower as your fame increases. However, this is on a per-category basis. So if you have 100 slut fame but 0 Group fame, you're far more likely to get more Group Fame than Slut fame.

 

Additionally, it will randomly choose how many valid categories to increase.

 

For example, if you COULD gain Slut, Exhibitionist, Group, and Bestiality fame in a single event, you may only get fame in two or three of them, but you could also get fame in all of them or only one. You're guaranteed to get at least one.

 

Obviously, the more categories you're able to get at once, the less likely all of them will increase at the same time, but the possibility is still there.

 

It chooses categories purely at random. Your current fame has no impact on how likely you are to gain fame in a specific fame category.

 

My thought process behind this was that everything should ultimately average out over a long enough period of time. Therefore if you gain a lot of fame in one category as opposed to another, it's probably because you do that thing more than the rest. However if you decide to use category specific multipliers rather than the global multiplier, then your results will likely vary, based on what multipliers you've set.

Edited September 10, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Someone92]

6 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

On average, you'll get more fame per event if your fame is low, but less on average per event when your fame is higher.

Yeah, that I got, but my question was if the base value is different.

E.g. you gain only 80% fame in a certain category if you last gained fame in the category within the last 2 in-game hours?

Edited September 10, 2024 by Someone92

[NymphoElf]

43 minutes ago, Someone92 said:

Yeah, that I got, but my question was if the base value is different.

E.g. you gain only 80% fame in a certain category if you last gained fame in the category within the last 2 in-game hours?

 

No, there's nothing like that. It's only based on your current fame.

 

To be fair, you'll get pretty popular/well-known pretty quickly if you sleep with every person in town in a day - fantasy world or not. lol

 

  

58 minutes ago, Someone92 said:

So testing would be to check periodically what fame values you have, and ponder if they are fitting?

What values would be considered low and high fame?

 

To answer this question as well: Yeah, basically I want to know if the Gain/Decay progression feels too fast or slow with a 1x multiplier, as well as feedback on how well the Spread system works, and if that feels like it's in a good spot.

 

I consider "Low" Fame to be anything from 0 to 40 while "High" Fame would be over 80.

 

Testing this basically requires just playing the game as your normally would, not specifically any kind of "Stress Test". You kind of have to not think about it and then see how things end up and if they feel wrong or not. That's the best advice I can give, and I understand that this can take a while to get good data/feedback due to the nature of this kind of test.

Edited September 10, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Desiree42]

Since you're accepting suggestions, would it possible to add 'victim fame"? Like instead of gaining fame towards slut when your character is raped, they gain it to victim. I feel like it would be a fun difference.

[NymphoElf]

7 hours ago, Desiree42 said:

Since you're accepting suggestions, would it possible to add 'victim fame"? Like instead of gaining fame towards slut when your character is raped, they gain it to victim. I feel like it would be a fun difference.

 

Unless there's a mod that will actually use that fame, I'm not adding any extra fame categories.

Edited September 11, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Someone92]

Isn't that what misandry / misogyny fame is for?

[NymphoElf]

3 hours ago, Someone92 said:

Isn't that what misandry / misogyny fame is for?

 

That was NPC fame, not technically Player fame, and it was never utilized. Therefore I didn't recreate it.