Advanced Nudity Detection

[no_way]

Any idea why this mod things all basic vanilla clothing has nude bottoms?  Is there something I have to add to make it recognize vanilla full outfits as fully clothed?

 

[NymphoElf]

9 hours ago, no_way said:

Any idea why this mod things all basic vanilla clothing has nude bottoms?  Is there something I have to add to make it recognize vanilla full outfits as fully clothed?

 

 

Vanilla clothes shouldn't have any keywords this mod looks for and should be giving all coverage. Make sure none of your mods (or KID ini files, if you have them) are overwriting vanilla clothes and giving them AND's Keywords. However, I have experienced this bug myself and I'm not sure why it's happening because it DOES correct itself - though that makes finding the issue harder.

Edited December 12, 2024 by NymphoElf

[no_way]

On 12/12/2024 at 6:18 PM, NymphoElf said:

 

Vanilla clothes shouldn't have any keywords this mod looks for and should be giving all coverage. Make sure none of your mods (or KID ini files, if you have them) are overwriting vanilla clothes and giving them AND's Keywords. However, I have experienced this bug myself and I'm not sure why it's happening because it DOES correct itself - though that makes finding the issue harder.

I found the issue, it was a Modesty OAR mod that I hadn't installed a kid for the vanilla clothes for.  Ooops...

 

On another note, can KID files conflict?  Trying to get AND keywords and Baka keywords both applied to the Tawoba 6.1 remastered CBBE and the AND keywords seem to be working lovely, but if I add a KID file for the Baka keywords, the AND ones turn off.

[IBAGadget]

6 hours ago, no_way said:

On another note, can KID files conflict?  Trying to get AND keywords and Baka keywords both applied to the Tawoba 6.1 remastered CBBE and the AND keywords seem to be working lovely, but if I add a KID file for the Baka keywords, the AND ones turn off.

I haven't had any issue with files conflicting, but I don't use many Baka keywords on my outfits - I like to keep my arousal at a manageable level.

That being said, just put both in the same file, it won't hurt anything

 

Also, have you set AND to ignore Baka keywords?

If you haven't, and you have conflicting keywords, it is going to register as the most covered

[no_way]

On 12/14/2024 at 4:31 PM, IBAGadget said:

I haven't had any issue with files conflicting, but I don't use many Baka keywords on my outfits - I like to keep my arousal at a manageable level.

That being said, just put both in the same file, it won't hurt anything

 

Also, have you set AND to ignore Baka keywords?

If you haven't, and you have conflicting keywords, it is going to register as the most covered

AAAAAH I think it was the AND setting not ignoring Baka keywords

[NymphoElf]

On 12/14/2024 at 10:10 AM, no_way said:

can KID files conflict?

 

It depends on what you mean by "conflict".

 

If you mean "conflict" in the sense of a mod conflict, then no. Vortex, MO2, etc. will not recognize any "conflicts" with KID files.

 

If you mean "conflict" in the sense of getting an unwanted result, then yes. If something isn't working the way you expected/wanted, double check your KID files to make sure they're doing what you want. If they aren't, you can edit them (or create your own).

Edited December 16, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Plaguetard2.0]

Out of curiosity, can you add keywords mid play? For example, in Aroused (whichever version) you could bring the equipped item on and add a keyword. I had prisoner rags on, and they are very skimpy so I wanted to add a keyword to them as such, but couldn't locate any way to do it during gameplay. I may be blind though, or not understanding something.

[NymphoElf]

20 minutes ago, Plaguetard2.0 said:

Out of curiosity, can you add keywords mid play? For example, in Aroused (whichever version) you could bring the equipped item on and add a keyword. I had prisoner rags on, and they are very skimpy so I wanted to add a keyword to them as such, but couldn't locate any way to do it during gameplay. I may be blind though, or not understanding something.

 

AND doesn't offer this by itself, no.

 

However you can still add keywords to clothing/armor as you described with OSL Aroused or other mods that have that capability.

[Plaguetard2.0]

23 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

 

AND doesn't offer this by itself, no.

 

However you can still add keywords to clothing/armor as you described with OSL Aroused or other mods that have that capability.

Ah alright, so if I add "Skimpy" via OSL Aroused, AND will then see it as Skimpy?

[IBAGadget]

31 minutes ago, Plaguetard2.0 said:

Ah alright, so if I add "Skimpy" via OSL Aroused, AND will then see it as Skimpy?

As long as you don't have AND set to ignore BAKA Keywords, it will, yes.

[NymphoElf]

3 hours ago, Plaguetard2.0 said:

Ah alright, so if I add "Skimpy" via OSL Aroused, AND will then see it as Skimpy?

 

There's no "Skimpy" keyword in AND, and there's no "Skimpy" condition in AND. Therefore, AND will not detect the "Skimpy" keyword.

 

If you're talking about Sexy Adventures, please read the MCM Tooltips for extra information about how that mod detects the "Skimpy" condition.

 

If you're confused about what keywords AND uses, please read the Guidebook linked on Page 1.

Edited December 19, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Nova4]

it's safe to update mid playthough?

[NymphoElf]

3 minutes ago, Nova4 said:

it's safe to update mid playthough?

 

It should be. It's only a minor script change

[yassy283]

When my chara was wearing pants with  "AND_Hotpants" and stocking with "AND_ArmorBottom_NoCover", AND considerd as her pussy was showing.

When any armor has NoCover keywords, AND seems to consider as its layer is not covered even if other armors have nomal keywords. Is this behavior correct?

[NymphoElf]

14 minutes ago, yassy283 said:

When my chara was wearing pants with  "AND_Hotpants" and stocking with "AND_ArmorBottom_NoCover", AND considerd as her pussy was showing.

When any armor has NoCover keywords, AND seems to consider as its layer is not covered even if other armors have nomal keywords. Is this behavior correct?

 

No. I didn't think of this combination. I'll fix it in a few days when I get back from Christmas with my family.

[yassy283]

1 hour ago, NymphoElf said:

 

No. I didn't think of this combination. I'll fix it in a few days when I get back from Christmas with my family.

Sure, thanks! Have nice holidays!

[Darkspine8]

Hmn.. forgive me if the answer is obvious, I've looked up and down and maybe I'm blind -- I can't find anything on what might cause this mod to not activate ANY conditions with TAWOBA 6.1 remastered and Keyword Item Distributor 3.4.0?

I downloaded the remastered version from the links on your pages, and used your provided FOMOD installer for an .ini that adds compatibility, but in-game every single possible condition/keyword in the MCM is listed as "NO". Does the ini go to a specific place besides /Data? By all accounts this ini should work, I have no reason to doubt it since you made it, but...

I've read up on how the mod is supposed to function to, to make sure I'm not misunderstanding something. ... Would the other add-on parts of the bikini armor mod count as 'armor' because they have no keywords attached, meaning that I'm not considered nude as a result? (Things like Pauldrons, abs, thigh armor, gauntlets/boots, .etc)

I guess to explain what I'm actually after, I'm after still getting nude comments even though I have the bikini armor on because it's skimpy and they can still see plenty of the naked body underneath. That's what I'm trying to do.

Thank you for your time. Sorry if this has been asked, I try not to be "Annoying Person #59350 asking obvious questions" for authors.

EDIT: after some further testing, if I put on any kind of "bikini top", i immediately stop being considered nude by the mod in every capacity. But if I don't equip a bikini top, I'm considered naked. Even equipping Bikini Bottoms doesn't trigger "showing underwear", it's just treated as not wearing anything. Am I using the .ini wrong...?

Edited January 1, 2025 by Darkspine8

[Dorabella]

I have a little problem with this mod. it doesn't identify Baka Keywords 

 

1) Installed all requirements

2) Added Keywords in the dress with Xedit

3) I made sure the dress was the correct one.

4) Updated the mod to the latest version available

5) I also tried removing/re-wearing the dress

 

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Also here , the same problem 

 

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Am I doing something wrong/forgetting something?

[NymphoElf]

@Darkspine8 The mod only looks for Keywords in order to make sure people can customize their armor in order to create whatever conditions they like. However, if you're only using my provided KID files, then I designed the keywords to affect your nudity state in the most logical/realistic way I could manage.

 

The ini files should be in DATA, alongside your plugin files and such. If the keywords are not being applied (which seems to be the case for you) then perhaps Keyword Item Distributor was not properly installed, or you're missing a requirement.

 

The reason I believe this to be the case is that you mentioned Bikini Tops removing all conditions from your character. This could only be due to the Bikini Top using Slot 32, and my mod treats any Slot 32 armor that has no AND keywords as "Vanilla" and therefore giving you full coverage (no nudity states at all).

 

Please make 100% sure everything has been installed correctly, and when you have done so, try starting a new game and use console commands to give you bikini armor to test if everything is working.

 

Just to try to be thorough, please also answer a few questions:

1. What version of the mod are you experiencing this problem with?
2. Did you update the mod from a previous version, or is this the first time you're using AND?
   • If you updated, which version did you update from?

[NymphoElf]

@Dorabella I'm not sure why it's not working. Nothing in my code or the plugin properties seems to be wrong, and it seems you've done everything correctly. Try uninstalling the mod, cleaning your save, then installing the mod again.

 

Alternatively and/or additionally, if AND is loaded before SexlabAroused, try loading AND AFTER SexlabAroused.

 

If none of those work, unfortunately I'm not sure what to tell you.

[Darkspine8]

@NymphoElf

Sure thing!

1. I started on 1.6 yesterday, and 1.7 today. Both the existing save I'm using it on (that is itself a test save for a playthrough I'm starting soon!) and a new save, both on 1.6 and 1.7, the issue persists.

2. As per the above note, I updated to 1.7 around when I made the comment above after realizing (with humor) that it released mere hours after I downloaded 1.6. I tested with 1.6, a new save with 1.6, a save with 1.6 updated to 1.7, and then a new save with 1.7. All had the same result.

But, it's possible Keyword Distributor isn't installed correctly since a lot of this points to it not being AND's fault, let me doublecheck. (...) I should have everything. My Powerofthree3's Tweaks is a version from 2022, but I've had zero other issues on this save, previous saves, so far, with it. (Though to be fair, I haven't checked to see if normal KID mods function yet...)

To elaborate a bit on how I have this installed, I have it installed via Mod Organizer 2 (MO2), I added AND using it's "Add Local Mod" function and turned it into a proper mod for MO2 to process. The esp appears in my list, I see the MCM, all is well. I installed your .ini much the same way. I have to tell MO2 to "ignore missing data" but in the end it results in having the _KID.ini files in my data folder according to MO2, and when I read the contents of the file, everything looks right.

The thing is, I have zero doubts what you're telling me is correct. That's exactly what it comes off as, the bikini tops are equipped into Slot 32 according to SSEEdit, while everything else isn't. Bikini top on? I get full coverage, showing that KID isn't distributing the keywords. Bikini off, I'm naked, no matter how many other pieces of the kit I put on. ... is it possible I installed the wrong version of Keyword Item Distributor?

I am in a "quagmire" of a skyrim version.. 1.6.353, it's apparently considered "AE", but not "AE" enough for certain mods. It's been confusing, maybe that's part of the problem? Hmm. As of right now I've been manually installing the keywords to the bikini pieces via SSEEdit and a custom plugin to see if it works afterwards since I wasn't sure I'd fix the problem.

EDIT: yep. launching with my custom plugin and AND is reporting everything correctly now. This probably isn't your problem, I'm sorry. Somehow, my KID isn't functioning correctly... I'm going to look into that now, even though I'm not fully sure what to do about it. I'll try updating PO3 Tweaks.

Edited January 1, 2025 by Darkspine8

[NymphoElf]

14 minutes ago, Darkspine8 said:

I get full coverage, showing that KID isn't distributing the keywords. Bikini off, I'm naked, no matter how many other pieces of the kit I put on. ... is it possible I installed the wrong version?

I am in a "quagmire" of a skyrim version.. 1.6.353, it's apparently considered "AE", but not "AE" enough for certain mods.

 

Something I'm noticing is that AE tends to be more fussy with my mods (Advanced Nudity Detection and SLSF Reloaded). I'm honestly not sure why this is the case, especially if you have the proper SKSE version, as well as all other necessary requirements.

 

From what I understand, most people on AE are using 1.6.1170, and everyone on SE are using 1.5.97 (which is the version I developed these mods on, and am still using). I don't see why this would be a problem though, because I use no DLL files, my Form IDs comply with both versions, and Papyrus hasn't changed at all since SKSE was made and updated to SE.

 

Your issue and Dorabella's issue are very strange because by all logic it should work. I also cannot reproduce these issues, which makes things harder.

 

EDIT: Yes, it's possible you accidentally installed the wrong version of something, but AND itself shouldn't care what version you're using. Also, I'm not sure why you couldn't update to 1.6.1170 and still have all of your mods work, but maybe you have something in your load order that isn't updated beyond your current version?

Edited January 1, 2025 by NymphoElf

[Darkspine8]

@NymphoElf

I'm so sorry about the trouble. It was never AND, it was my KID not being installed properly.

I did two things. I ran a custom plugin to manually add in keywords, and I reinstalled my KID with the 1.6 anniversary setting. (it's very bizarre. most plugins crash with the wrong selection.. this one didn't.)

The edited bikini pieces worked as a matter of course, showing AND isn't the problem. But here's the funny part; the Blades Sneaking SUit was ALSO registered by AND. I hadn't copied it's record into my plugin, it was left alone -- the only thing that could alter it was your .ini and KID... and it worked. Sure enough, I restart and turn off my plugin and check AND again. Now everything works and is registered properly. My problem had nothing to do with you, but my KID not being installed properly. 

Either way, THANK YOU. This mod and what it offered and my desire for proper sexual comments towards my character actually helped fix my modlist. Up until this point, I had believed nothing was wrong, mods depending on KID were very likely silently broken without my knowledge. I'm a fool.

EDIT to respond to your EDIT: Ah, it's a timeless case of anxiety and paranoia. I'm paranoid of how many mods may break if I go all the way to full AE so I haven't let Skyrim update. My modlist is huge, and I can only muster so much energy to bugfix it at a time. Thus it remains inbetween SE and AE. As mentioned, you were right -- Apparently Keyword Item Distributor for v1.5 will still launch on Skyrim 1.6.353, but it won't do anything.

You might be wondering, "Why did you install KID for 1.5 when you have 1.6?", and that is because I've had a few mods crash or break if I used the 1.6+ AE version, where as the 1.5 SE works just fine. and then OTHER mods will break if I use 1.5, whereas 1.6 works. It's... frustrating.

Edited January 1, 2025 by Darkspine8

[NymphoElf]

@Darkspine8 Glad you got it fixed 

[Dorabella]

1 hour ago, NymphoElf said:

I'm not sure why it's not working.

Found . Inspecting the ESP , I noticed that the outfit worn, is associated with another one by TNAM Template Armour. It was enough to enter the same Keywords in the other dress to trigger them 

 

I also solved the second problem mentioned . I applied the keywords to all relevant parts 

 

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