Advanced Nudity Detection

[NymphoElf]

3 hours ago, BexBlair said:

Does anyone know of a guide or a how to on how to create the keyword lists?

 

Do you mean the Keyword Item Distributor files?

[BexBlair]

14 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Do you mean the Keyword Item Distributor files?

Yes thank you. I'd love to contribute some to this to help 

Additionally, by any chance have you ran into any issues with the limit of Keywords you can add into OSL?

Thanks again!

[NymphoElf]

14 minutes ago, BexBlair said:

Yes thank you. I'd love to contribute some to this to help 

Additionally, by any chance have you ran into any issues with the limit of Keywords you can add into OSL?

Thanks again!

 

I'll write a guide in the KID File Share blog. I heavily recommend using Notepad++ for this.

 

I tend not to add Keywords via OSL aroused. Reason being is that if the mod detects that keyword on you, it will affect your arousal - and this can potentially cause your arousal to become impossible to control. I won't say to never do it, but it's just something to keep in mind.

[BexBlair]

5 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

 

I'll write a guide in the KID File Share blog. I heavily recommend using Notepad++ for this.

 

I tend not to add Keywords via OSL aroused. Reason being is that if the mod detects that keyword on you, it will affect your arousal - and this can potentially cause your arousal to become impossible to control. I won't say to never do it, but it's just something to keep in mind.

Oh wow! Thank you, I wasn't expecting that! It's the only way I know how to add the keywords at the moment. So if there is a better way, I appreciate you for sharing it

Thanks again!

[LDBida]

After extensive testing with various keywords and individual armor pieces, it seems the miniskirt and transparency modifiers are bugged.

I tried both using a 1.1 upgraded to 1.4 save and a brand new save on 1.4

 

Anything tagged as a miniskirt completely hides the Pelvic and Ass Curtain Risk in the MCM menu. Flash risks still function normally.

Also I think it's intentional, but flashing both pelvic and ass simultaneously marks you as bottomless when not wearing anything underneath the skirt.

 

The other thing I noticed was the additional transparency options listed in your "A.N.D.'s Keywords" blog post, such as 'AND_ArmorTopT_Low' or 'AND_ThongT_High', are not shown in the MCM menu under detected keywords and their transparency risks show 0% when worn.

 

Finally, transparency rolls do not seem to update at all. The new save shows CString and below always at 0, the old save has them all frozen at what they rolled last. Both saves the Curtains roll as normal.

 

 

The extra transparencies are also not listed in the KID.inis

Edited November 3, 2024 by LDBida

[NymphoElf]

6 hours ago, LDBida said:

After extensive testing with various keywords and individual armor pieces, it seems the miniskirt and transparency modifiers are bugged.

I tried both using a 1.1 upgraded to 1.4 save and a brand new save on 1.4

 

Anything tagged as a miniskirt completely hides the Pelvic and Ass Curtain Risk in the MCM menu. Flash risks still function normally.

Also I think it's intentional, but flashing both pelvic and ass simultaneously marks you as bottomless when not wearing anything underneath the skirt.

 

The other thing I noticed was the additional transparency options listed in your "A.N.D.'s Keywords" blog post, such as 'AND_ArmorTopT_Low' or 'AND_ThongT_High', are not shown in the MCM menu under detected keywords and their transparency risks show 0% when worn.

 

Finally, transparency rolls do not seem to update at all. The new save shows CString and below always at 0, the old save has them all frozen at what they rolled last. Both saves the Curtains roll as normal.

 

 

The extra transparencies are also not listed in the KID.inis

 

I'm aware of the bug not showing the odds in the MCM, but the odds ARE being properly applied. This will be fixed in 1.5. There's also a bug with Transparent Bottoms I missed which will be fixed.

 

In 1.1, there was a bug causing the dice roller to crash but it was fixed in 1.2+. You'll probably need to clean your save to fully fix the bug because the dice roller is probably permanently suspended.

 

If using "Motion Flash", only the curtains will update more frequently, because these are supposed to be the SMP enabled armor. Everything else in on a fixed schedule, so maybe you just didn't wait long enough? It's still fairly frequent though (15 In-game minutes).

 

Yes, the flashing potentially making you bottomless or topless is intentional.

 

Lastly, I'm writing a guide for KID file creation, so that will include all new keywords and their form ids.

Edited November 3, 2024 by NymphoElf

[NymphoElf]

@BexBlair A guide on how to make your own KID file has been posted

 

 

[BexBlair]

17 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

@BexBlair A guide on how to make your own KID file has been posted

 

 

Thank you for this! I appreciate it!

[Caiena]

NymphoElf, I want to say a big thank you for the work done.

This is an extremely serious contribution to the development of nudity in Skyrim!

But I have a question about your plans for the future. If I understand correctly, AND is designed to detect nudity in three parts of the body - Breasts, Vagina and Buttocks. Is it possible to add another body part in the future - bare feet? Agree, fully closed high leather boots or sandals that completely open the foot are too different things. Yes, I understand that AND only allows you to assign keywords and does not define Sexuality. But the keywords from this mod expand the capabilities of other Modders. At least to date, I do not know of any Mods that would deal in detail with the identification of various shoes in terms of their eroticism.

 

Thanks!

[NymphoElf]

4 hours ago, Caiena said:

NymphoElf, I want to say a big thank you for the work done.

This is an extremely serious contribution to the development of nudity in Skyrim!

But I have a question about your plans for the future. If I understand correctly, AND is designed to detect nudity in three parts of the body - Breasts, Vagina and Buttocks. Is it possible to add another body part in the future - bare feet? Agree, fully closed high leather boots or sandals that completely open the foot are too different things. Yes, I understand that AND only allows you to assign keywords and does not define Sexuality. But the keywords from this mod expand the capabilities of other Modders. At least to date, I do not know of any Mods that would deal in detail with the identification of various shoes in terms of their eroticism.

 

Thanks!

 

Thank you for the kind words, but this framework mod is effectively complete, so I will not be expanding its capabilities. My plans have been accomplished. I'm simply in "maintenance mode" for this mod - aka fixing anything not originally intended.

 

Anyone is free to create extensions and add-ons, but I personally do not see a reason to include hands/feet/head, etc. in "Nudity" detection. As you mentioned, this is more of an "erotic" factor than a "nude" factor. I'm not going to turn AND into an arousal mod.

 

OSL Aroused and other arousal mods could offer the type of support you're looking for, it's just probably not going to be perfect.

[Caiena]

2 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Thank you for the kind words, but this framework mod is effectively complete, so I will not be expanding its capabilities. My plans have been accomplished. I'm simply in "maintenance mode" for this mod - aka fixing anything not originally intended.

It's clear. Thanks for the reply.
I'm sorry that I wrote about it so late and you've already finished working on the Mod. I should have done this much earlier, when there was still hope.

 

I mentioned the term Eroticism solely from a general view of the interaction of mods. Your mod is technically a database containing keywords. My idea was just to add a few additional keywords to the general database. For example, bare feet, sandals, boots, etc. I'm sorry...

Edited November 5, 2024 by Caiena

[NymphoElf]

1 hour ago, Caiena said:

It's clear. Thanks for the reply.
I'm sorry that I wrote about it so late and you've already finished working on the Mod. I should have done this much earlier, when there was still hope.

 

I mentioned the term Eroticism solely from a general view of the interaction of mods. Your mod is technically a database containing keywords. My idea was just to add a few additional keywords to the general database. For example, bare feet, sandals, boots, etc. I'm sorry...

 

Well, that's also what I'm getting at - I would have rejected this idea regardless of when you asked because that was never the goal of this mod. So there never was "hope" for such things.

 

For example, do you really consider someone "naked" when you can see their hands or feet? I don't, and I personally would be confused why you would. The concept of nudity is focused around whether or not the primarily sexual parts of our bodies (breasts, penis/vagina, buttocks) are exposed or not. Yes, there is a growing "foot fetish" but that's still arguably not an expressly sexual body part. You can uses your hands to jerk someone off just as much as you could with your feet, but neither are considered inherently sexual.

 

Though people will argue that Breasts (for women) and Buttocks aren't 'supposed' to be sexual parts of the body (women's breasts being used for feeding newborns, and buttocks for helping get rid of bodily waste), the development of such body parts in women expresses sexual development and the particular female's ability to procreate, which in turn is a sexual driver for males. IE: Bigger/Rounder breasts means she is generally more capable of feeding the newborn more/healthier milk, while bigger/rounder buttocks & hips means her body is generally able to handle childbearing (pregnancy and delivery) more easily.

 

Hands and Feet do not convey these sexual/reproductive factors, therefore they are generally not considered expressly sexual and therefore do not contribute to "nudity".

 

This is why hands and feet are not, and will not, be included.

 

You have nothing to apologize for, I'm just trying to help you understand why I'm not going to add this to the mod.

Edited November 5, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Caiena]

58 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

You have nothing to apologize for, I'm just trying to help you understand why I'm not going to add this to the mod.

Oops... I didn't know it was that serious!
Although, I have a lot of friends who will disagree with You. Many people consider bare feet to be more erotic than buttocks. But I understand you. No, that means no...

 

 

May I say a few words... No, no, I get it! Just thinking out loud.
For example, the most basic thing is mods containing dialogues and comments. Once upon a time, only two keywords were used in dialogues about nudity - ArmorCuirass and ClothingBody from the vanilla game. Then, the SexLabAroused.esm family appeared as a working tool with its own list of keywords. Now Advanced Nudity Detection.esp has appeared, which contains another database of Keywords. So it remains to wait for another Barefoot Framework.esp to appearance containing keywords about shoes. Then BareheadedFramework.esp and so on. And when SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm finally dies (or maybe it won't), SLSF Reloaded.esp, State of Dress.esp and numerous Armor Clothes and Weapon Frameworks and other databases will take its place. Surely writing game dialogues will become even more interesting!

I really hope that you will correctly interpret my bad character and not take it personally. Your mod is great and made soundly and with love. But if you look at the big picture... Is it worth breeding more entities? There is already no unity among modders.

Edited November 5, 2024 by Caiena

[ebbluminous]

1 hour ago, Caiena said:

Oops... I didn't know it was that serious!
Although, I have a lot of friends who will disagree with You. Many people consider bare feet to be more erotic than buttocks. But I understand you. No, that means no...

Feet are eww

[NymphoElf]

On 11/5/2024 at 2:53 PM, Caiena said:

Once upon a time, only two keywords were used in dialogues about nudity - ArmorCuirass and ClothingBody from the vanilla game

 

This isn't quite correct. Vanilla nudity doesn't actually check for these keywords. It simply checks if there is an item equipped in Slot 32 (the body slot).

 

ArmorCuirass and ClothingBody are used by things like the Mage Armor spells and the player's Light/Heavy Armor perks.

 

Never mind. You're right. These keywords were only every used on the Body slot armors/clothing in vanilla, so it might as well be the same as what I thought.

 

On 11/5/2024 at 2:53 PM, Caiena said:

Although, I have a lot of friends who will disagree with You. Many people consider bare feet to be more erotic than buttocks.

 

That's because they're part of the "Foot Fetish" group. I'm talking about universally agreed (~90%+) body parts they are considered erotic or otherwise indecent to expose.

 

On 11/5/2024 at 2:53 PM, Caiena said:

I really hope that you will correctly interpret my bad character and not take it personally.

 

I haven't taken anything personally, and I hope you haven't either. I was simply saying you didn't have to apologize, because in my mind you don't have a reason to apologize. It's ok, I understand. 

 

On 11/5/2024 at 2:53 PM, Caiena said:

But if you look at the big picture... Is it worth breeding more entities? There is already no unity among modders.

 

I honestly don't understand what you mean by this.

Edited November 8, 2024 by NymphoElf

[Merlin Wizzard]

This last update (1.5) does not seem to detect any keywords except baka-keywords. I run around mostly mostly naked with at least a breast out and ass showing with crotch-less panties and I'm not detected as nude or revealing at all.

[IBAGadget]

4 hours ago, Merlin Wizzard said:

This last update (1.5) does not seem to detect any keywords except baka-keywords. I run around mostly mostly naked with at least a breast out and ass showing with crotch-less panties and I'm not detected as nude or revealing at all.

What keywords do you have applied to the clothing pieces?

[LDBida]

On 11/17/2024 at 4:00 AM, Merlin Wizzard said:

This last update (1.5) does not seem to detect any keywords except baka-keywords. I run around mostly mostly naked with at least a breast out and ass showing with crotch-less panties and I'm not detected as nude or revealing at all.

Have you set AND to ignore Baka keywords, or any other mods not displaying properly to use AND nudity rules?

[NiffyFox]

idk if this is a bug but I have on some armor its saying my boobs and ass are showing but the armor covers them, it sucks cause my arousel keeps skyrociting cause my character thinks she naked. Also sorry about the mess

[IBAGadget]

5 minutes ago, NiffyFox said:

idk if this is a bug but I have on some armor its saying my boobs and ass are showing but the armor covers them, it sucks cause my arousel keeps skyrociting cause my character thinks she naked. Also sorry about the mess

what keywords have you applied to the selected clothing piece?

If you haven't applied any yourself, that would be why you are getting the results you are.
If you have applied them through SLA/OSLAroused, then you are going to see your arousal skyrocket, as that is what SLA does. Keywords applied through this manner only affect your arousal and not your state of dress. 

 

Your best option is to use Keyword Item Distributor (KID) to apply the AND Keywords you want to use to the armor/clothing pieces. AND will not apply the keywords by itself.

[NiffyFox]

16 minutes ago, IBAGadget said:

what keywords have you applied to the selected clothing piece?

If you haven't applied any yourself, that would be why you are getting the results you are.
If you have applied them through SLA/OSLAroused, then you are going to see your arousal skyrocket, as that is what SLA does. Keywords applied through this manner only affect your arousal and not your state of dress. 

 

Your best option is to use Keyword Item Distributor (KID) to apply the AND Keywords you want to use to the armor/clothing pieces. AND will not apply the keywords by itself.

I downlouded a keywords for this amror pack, im just asking if this is supposed to be like this

[IBAGadget]

3 hours ago, NiffyFox said:

I downlouded a keywords for this amror pack, im just asking if this is supposed to be like this

which armor pack is it? I might have it myself or I can at least get it and check to see what keywords were applied to the armor

[Yliiz]

does this have animations if not what adds animations to this?

[IBAGadget]

4 hours ago, Yliiz said:

does this have animations if not what adds animations to this?

No, it does not.

This is only for detecting whether your character is nude or not (and to what degree they are)

No animations are required for this.

 

Why would you need animations to determine whether or not your nipples are sticking out in the breeze?

[Yliiz]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:23 AM, IBAGadget said:

No, it does not.

This is only for detecting whether your character is nude or not (and to what degree they are)

No animations are required for this.

 

Why would you need animations to determine whether or not your nipples are sticking out in the breeze?

i thought it was similar to Advanced Cover