Adventures with Balazar (Balazar's Bitch) - Beta

[wHOaMiEH]

28 minutes ago, galloita said:

someone help skeever in windhelm dont folow me and i stay naked and were is the stone quarter?

 

Its the market. Just run through the town, you will get the stages done in no time.

@Gristle

Regarding Riften, thank you for considering and implementing the idea.  

 

Whiterun - PC must investigate and stop Falmer raids in the hold

This one should play nicely with the shimmermist cave across the river. As far as I remember there are no quest related to this. It started with raiding of the few farms for food and cattle, but it quickly went to kidnaping the citizens. Companions could play a deciding role in this(something about uncorrupt snow elves wanting vengeance against the group).

 

Morthal - PC must uncover incestuous secrets to prevent a deadly vision from being realized

Since morthal is a focal point for all things paranormal, it could be about some other forms of undead(since the main part is locked around vampires and Morvath).

 

Winterhold - PC must help the Jarl get revenge on a College member

 

You could make a jarl and extremist or tie the story to the civil war playing out currently. The facts are: An dark elf is a leader of the college, there are a few imperials with high positions, and as an icing on a cake they allowed Ancano to "hold their leash". 

 

Windhelm - PC must entertain the crowd in the Windhelm Pit - let's bring back bearbaiting

 

This one has so much potential that I do not know where to begin. From pit fights, to making it into the arena like in Oblivion. Will have to think about this one some more.

 

Falkreath - PC must track down and deal with escaped werewolf

 

Related to Hircine, or totaly new quest?

 

Markarth - PC must discover how Forsworn are entering city and carrying out attacks

Connected to the beggar quarter somehow. Wanted to suggest some more undercover work, but it wouldnt make sense since the PC is hyper famous after the whole no one escapes Cidna mine(if you go with it after this intro mission for Markarth, maybe your npcs could recognize that for example PC was instrumental into setting Madonach free(also getting recognized for fighting the Silverbloods in general). Will think on it some more.

 

Solitude - PC must find a way to deliver a message to Elisif's dead husband in Sovngarde

The paths. Either with the high elf or Sybile Further intrigue in the politics. Whoever gets your help rises in stature. Will think on it some more.

 

Dawnstar - PC must stop giant raids on town

This one can either be a straight line or you could resolve the hatred that the jarl has for the giants in general. Will think on it some more.

Edited December 4, 2023 by wHOaMiEH

[Gristle]

On 12/4/2023 at 12:06 PM, galloita said:

someone help skeever in windhelm dont folow me and i stay naked and were is the stone quarter?

They should follow your PC if your PC is naked. But they are pretty slow. You have to give them a bit of time, and some follow at a distance. The Stone Quarter is the rest of Windhelm (everything but the Gray Quarter where the Dark Elves live). Basically, you have to lead the skeevers around people who aren't Dark Elves.  As wHOaMiEH mentioned, the market is a great place for that.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Gristle

[killer905]

4 hours ago, Gristle said:

The castle is a great setting, but my thought was to try to avoid mod quests that rely on other quests being completed or not completed. Dawnguard is a pretty long and hard quest, so it might be a pain for someone who starts a new PC for a playthrough of this mod. Also, the next stage of quests are more about building political power with the Jarls, but this could be something for the following stage.

Can be left as "optional"

 

2 hours ago, blahity said:

Also it might not make sense if you go vampire side instead of dawnguard side. Its effectively your castle after Harkon's death, doesn't make sense that a bunch of new vampires would roll in to set up shop. However, brand new "Houndmaster" and "Gargoyle Crafter" NPCs would fit in on the vampire side and a "Troll Tamer" would fit in with the dawnguard side.

It is also possible to do unique quests for the vampires and dawnguard (depends on which side you finished). But the fact here you may be right, but most players consider the castle after completing the quest as abandoned.

[Gristle]

1 hour ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Whiterun - PC must investigate and stop Falmer raids in the hold

This one should play nicely with the shimmermist cave across the river. As far as I remember there are no quest related to this. It started with raiding of the few farms for food and cattle, but it quickly went to kidnaping the citizens. Companions could play a deciding role in this(something about uncorrupt snow elves wanting vengeance against the group).

This was my thought exactly. I mean there's a Falmer cave just a short distance from Whiterun.  It's easy to imagine that they might come out and raid at night.

1 hour ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Morthal - PC must uncover incestuous secrets to prevent a deadly vision from being realized

Since morthal is a focal point for all things paranormal, it could be about some other forms of undead(since the main part is locked around vampires and Morvath).

I'll probably change this since the Idgrod and her vision-seeing family may all be exiled due to the Civil War.  So, yes, probably a quest involving Falion and his mysterious activities in the swamp, and undead.

1 hour ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Winterhold - PC must help the Jarl get revenge on a College member

You could make a jarl and extremist or tie the story to the civil war playing out currently. The facts are: An dark elf is a leader of the college, there are a few imperials with high positions, and as an icing on a cake they allowed Ancano to "hold their leash".

The Jarl pretty much hates the College already for blowing up half the town. But, the PC could be the Arch-Mage of the College so it might be too much to target the entire College. So, I thought perhaps the Jarl blames one member in particular. That would be an easier mission for a PC Arch-Mage to accept, especially if the member was doing something dangerous. It's tough to tie these quests to vanilla quests, as you don't know their status (or outcome, for civil war) on any player's playthrough.

1 hour ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Windhelm - PC must entertain the crowd in the Windhelm Pit - let's bring back bearbaiting

This one has so much potential that I do not know where to begin. From pit fights, to making it into the arena like in Oblivion. Will have to think about this one some more.

The key to this is that there is a mostly finished (and unused) Windhelm fighting pit in the vanilla game. So, hopefully, it won't take much work to finish it and connect it to the city. But I haven't really looked at this yet.

1 hour ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Falkreath - PC must track down and deal with escaped werewolf

Related to Hircine, or totaly new quest?

I wasn't thinking of Hircine, but it could be related. Perhaps made harder because the werewolf hides in human form?

1 hour ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Markarth - PC must discover how Forsworn are entering city and carrying out attacks

Connected to the beggar quarter somehow. Wanted to suggest some more undercover work, but it wouldnt make sense since the PC is hyper famous after the whole no one escapes Cidna mine(if you go with it after this intro mission for Markarth, maybe your npcs could recognize that for example PC was instrumental into setting Madonach free(also getting recognized for fighting the Silverbloods in general). Will think on it some more.

As above, I would like to design these quests so they are independent of vanilla quests. That said, it's easy to change dialogue to reflect the completion of other quests. But, the Forsworn remain a menace to the city regardless of any quest, so it seems like a good theme. Also, the Silverbloods are still around. 

1 hour ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Solitude - PC must find a way to deliver a message to Elisif's dead husband in Sovngarde

The paths. Either with the high elf or Sybile Further intrigue in the politics. Whoever gets your help rises in stature. Will think on it some more.

I haven't given much thought to how the PC would find an alternate path to Sovngarde.  Mages? Dragons? Favor for daedric prince?

1 hour ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Dawnstar - PC must stop giant raids on town

This one can either be a straight line or you could resolve the hatred that the jarl has for the giants in general. Will think on it some more.

Yes. It could be a simple scenario, but it would be better if the giants had a reason for attacking that the PC must discover. That could involve the Jarl or could involve some other NPC(s) in Dawnstar.

[blahity]

1 hour ago, Gristle said:

3 hours ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Winterhold - PC must help the Jarl get revenge on a College member

You could make a jarl and extremist or tie the story to the civil war playing out currently. The facts are: An dark elf is a leader of the college, there are a few imperials with high positions, and as an icing on a cake they allowed Ancano to "hold their leash".

The Jarl pretty much hates the College already for blowing up half the town. But, the PC could be the Arch-Mage of the College so it might be too much to target the entire College. So, I thought perhaps the Jarl blames one member in particular. That would be an easier mission for a PC Arch-Mage to accept, especially if the member was doing something dangerous. It's tough to tie these quests to vanilla quests, as you don't know their status (or outcome, for civil war) on any player's playthrough.

Another option might be that one/some of frost atronachs that the Jarl uses for the prison (The Chill) are running amock and the Jarl wants it dealt with, and he doesn't care how. That way the quest could also be independent of the college questline. Could make a good repeatable quest too.

1 hour ago, Gristle said:

3 hours ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Falkreath - PC must track down and deal with escaped werewolf

Related to Hircine, or totaly new quest?

I wasn't thinking of Hircine, but it could be related. Perhaps made harder because the werewolf hides in human form?

The werewolf might be stuck in its werewolf form because its in its mating season or something? Finding Hircine opens up a non-violent solution with you get marked as its mate?

1 hour ago, Gristle said:

3 hours ago, wHOaMiEH said:

Morthal - PC must uncover incestuous secrets to prevent a deadly vision from being realized

Since morthal is a focal point for all things paranormal, it could be about some other forms of undead(since the main part is locked around vampires and Morvath).

I'll probably change this since the Idgrod and her vision-seeing family may all be exiled due to the Civil War.  So, yes, probably a quest involving Falion and his mysterious activities in the swamp, and undead.

I've been thinking about this one. There's some Death Hounds in the swamp nearby and the Jarl needs someone to solve the problem. It alludes to the vampire quest in the area but isn't connected to it. Perhaps afterwards the Death Hound(s) follows you back to Morthal to become guard dog(s) of sorts for the town since they really, really like you if you deal with them in a 'specific' way.

[wHOaMiEH]

1 hour ago, Gristle said:

This was my thought exactly. I mean there's a Falmer cave just a short distance from Whiterun.  It's easy to imagine that they might come out and raid at night.

I'll probably change this since the Idgrod and her vision-seeing family may all be exiled due to the Civil War.  So, yes, probably a quest involving Falion and his mysterious activities in the swamp, and undead.

The Jarl pretty much hates the College already for blowing up half the town. But, the PC could be the Arch-Mage of the College so it might be too much to target the entire College. So, I thought perhaps the Jarl blames one member in particular. That would be an easier mission for a PC Arch-Mage to accept, especially if the member was doing something dangerous. It's tough to tie these quests to vanilla quests, as you don't know their status (or outcome, for civil war) on any player's playthrough.

The key to this is that there is a mostly finished (and unused) Windhelm fighting pit in the vanilla game. So, hopefully, it won't take much work to finish it and connect it to the city. But I haven't really looked at this yet.

I wasn't thinking of Hircine, but it could be related. Perhaps made harder because the werewolf hides in human form?

As above, I would like to design these quests so they are independent of vanilla quests. That said, it's easy to change dialogue to reflect the completion of other quests. But, the Forsworn remain a menace to the city regardless of any quest, so it seems like a good theme. Also, the Silverbloods are still around. 

I haven't given much thought to how the PC would find an alternate path to Sovngarde.  Mages? Dragons? Favor for daedric prince?

Yes. It could be a simple scenario, but it would be better if the giants had a reason for attacking that the PC must discover. That could involve the Jarl or could involve some other NPC(s) in Dawnstar.

-Falion does have an opening line that could be expanded upon, indeed.

-You are correct. This does make it more feasible. College after all almost had another catastrophe with the eye of Magnus. It would be logical that he vents that frustration on a PC Archmage. The nature of "venting" could go in any direction.

-Wish you luck with logistics on that one(anyone who fights with creation kit has my unironic and outmost respect). The pit itself could have an expansion upon expansion(story/gp wise). Once PC comes out on top(being the best fighter) there could be repeatable challenges and so on. Lost battles equal to serving the winner/audience. Too many lost battles equal to PC just becoming a cum bucket for both the fighters and the audience....as said, it can go just about anywhere.

-The unrepentant werewolf could be an excellent other side of the coin compared to Sinding. Someone who premeditates their hunt...

-You do have a point. Will look up upon Forsworn lore and see what could be included to broaden the horizons above Everyone=bad forsworn=only hope for the Reach.

-Well it could start with Elesif giving incentive to Sybile and the other guy to help you. Consider one of the solutions not only being daedric princes, but one of the divines themselves(Kynareth or Talos)? Now for the daedric princes, that could cover some interesting fronts. Perequisite being that the player finished their quest(sheo=lunny toons type of errand, Azura=while grateful for your help with cleansing the star, she gives you another errand).This does involve a metric ton of work so...not so sure it could be easily implemented.

-You are correct. There is no need to oversimplify or overcomplicate thing.

 

Have to once again sing praises about your work. One of the rare mods where you can really choose the alternate paths and how your PC is going to behave(hero, reluctant or a degenerate). Not to mention npcs actually commenting upon your deeds and tittles. Keep up the great work. If you need more comments, say the word and Ill make you a list to cherry pick through. 

[BeppoBlonski]

Sneaking is impossible with him, pls fix.

[Gristle]

11 hours ago, BeppoBlonski said:

Sneaking is impossible with him, pls fix.

I'm not sure it makes sense for him to sneak, given his status and character. Instead, I gave the PC an option to ask him to stay behind in dungeons, so that the PC can use that command when they want to be stealthy. You don't even necessarily have to go back to get him. He should automatically rejoin your PC when you exit the dungeon. Does that address the issue? 

[MereFJ]

On 12/5/2023 at 8:06 AM, galloita said:

someone help skeever in windhelm dont folow me and i stay naked and were is the stone quarter?

 had the same issue, don't run too fast, retrace and make sure they are following. Go to market area and around the inn, and talk to nords, any nords you see, only some of them will trigger an attack. try the blacksmiths for example, I think that triggered an attack for me.

[MereFJ]

On 12/5/2023 at 8:13 AM, wHOaMiEH said:

 

Its the market. Just run through the town, you will get the stages done in no time.

@Gristle

Regarding Riften, thank you for considering and implementing the idea.  

 

Whiterun - PC must investigate and stop Falmer raids in the hold

This one should play nicely with the shimmermist cave across the river. As far as I remember there are no quest related to this. It started with raiding of the few farms for food and cattle, but it quickly went to kidnaping the citizens. Companions could play a deciding role in this(something about uncorrupt snow elves wanting vengeance against the group).

 

Morthal - PC must uncover incestuous secrets to prevent a deadly vision from being realized

Since morthal is a focal point for all things paranormal, it could be about some other forms of undead(since the main part is locked around vampires and Morvath).

 

Winterhold - PC must help the Jarl get revenge on a College member  -  hmm, might need to add that member to the college to avoid messing up the other quests, including the college expansion quest.  Maybe have PC retrieve something from or perform a necromantic ritual in a dangerous part of the college instead?  You could add stuff to the midden, there are empty areas. keeping in mind that many people use immersive college mod as well.  

 

You could make a jarl and extremist or tie the story to the civil war playing out currently. The facts are: An dark elf is a leader of the college, there are a few imperials with high positions, and as an icing on a cake they allowed Ancano to "hold their leash". 

 

Windhelm - PC must entertain the crowd in the Windhelm Pit - let's bring back bearbaiting  - Ouch, not everybody has the windhelm pit installed.

 

This one has so much potential that I do not know where to begin. From pit fights, to making it into the arena like in Oblivion. Will have to think about this one some more.

 

Falkreath - PC must track down and deal with escaped werewolf

 

Related to Hircine, or totaly new quest?

 

Markarth - PC must discover how Forsworn are entering city and carrying out attacks

Connected to the beggar quarter somehow. Wanted to suggest some more undercover work, but it wouldnt make sense since the PC is hyper famous after the whole no one escapes Cidna mine(if you go with it after this intro mission for Markarth, maybe your npcs could recognize that for example PC was instrumental into setting Madonach free(also getting recognized for fighting the Silverbloods in general). Will think on it some more.

 

Solitude - PC must find a way to deliver a message to Elisif's dead husband in Sovngarde

The paths. Either with the high elf or Sybile Further intrigue in the politics. Whoever gets your help rises in stature. Will think on it some more.

 

Dawnstar - PC must stop giant raids on town

This one can either be a straight line or you could resolve the hatred that the jarl has for the giants in general. Will think on it some more.

 

[Gristle]

22 hours ago, MereFJ said:

Winterhold - PC must help the Jarl get revenge on a College member  -  hmm, might need to add that member to the college to avoid messing up the other quests, including the college expansion quest.  Maybe have PC retrieve something from or perform a necromantic ritual in a dangerous part of the college instead?  You could add stuff to the midden, there are empty areas. keeping in mind that many people use immersive college mod as well.  

This is always tricky. I like to make quests that use at least some vanilla locations and at least some vanilla NPCs -- to sort of anchor the quest in the Skyrim world we all know -- but that invites mod conflicts of course. And other conflicts, for example non-essential NPCs might be dead. For something like the above, I would likely just create a new college member.  I have to admit I've never run any college expansion quests. I'll have to check them out and see what they change.

22 hours ago, MereFJ said:

Windhelm - PC must entertain the crowd in the Windhelm Pit - let's bring back bearbaiting  - Ouch, not everybody has the windhelm pit installed.

No problem there. The pit is in the vanilla game as an unused asset, you just can't get there without a mod or console command. And it also has a couple of unfinished textures, and unfinished NPCs, etc. So, this mod would enable the pit setting (and clean it up a bit) without any other requirements. Here's what it looks like without any edits. Nice cages for prisoners or creatures. You can visit with "coc WindhelmPitEntrance".

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by Gristle

[blahity]

@GristleMaybe the Jarl needs to get revenge on Colette, provides you with a "Scroll of Summon Dragon Priest" but since she's a powerful restoration mage she takes control of it and uses it to teach you a lesson! She decides to keep the Dragon Priest around so she can use it on you for fun in the future. You report back that you "used the scroll in front of Colette" so the Jarl is satisfied. The reason for the revenge could be the Jarl caught an STD, Colette treated him, and in keeping with her character blabbed to everyone she met about it.

Also I believe Colette is an Essential NPC.

Edited December 9, 2023 by blahity

[EmmaEverything]

Just wanted to pop in and say I enjoyed this quest so much. It's more immersive and lore friendly than most of the other beasty mods. Definitely looking forward to phase 3. Keep up the great work, Gristle!!

[akockl2]

would it be possible for the minimum value of the MCM attack frequency slider to be lower than 6 in the future? i'd ideally like to set it as 4~ hours, since 6 is a bit too long for me as i play with a low timescale.

one other change i'd like would be if you set the the animation as aggressive/rape so that it would count as rape by other mods (love sickness, bimbos of skyrim, sl survival etc) when the player chooses to resist balazar's advances, as well as other events such as the one where you lead a troll to a ship

Edited December 11, 2023 by akockl2

[BeppoBlonski]

On 12/6/2023 at 1:14 AM, Gristle said:

I'm not sure it makes sense for him to sneak, given his status and character. Instead, I gave the PC an option to ask him to stay behind in dungeons, so that the PC can use that command when they want to be stealthy. You don't even necessarily have to go back to get him. He should automatically rejoin your PC when you exit the dungeon. Does that address the issue? 

 

This dialog doesn't exist for me, I have the current version and new game.

[Gristle]

15 hours ago, BeppoBlonski said:

 

This dialog doesn't exist for me, I have the current version and new game.

Sorry, I should have said that I put that in the version that I am currently playtesting, which is not yet posted. So, that will be included in the next version. The next version will also include the Riften adventure and a new collar choice that does not require the PC to be naked. 

[BeppoBlonski]

15 hours ago, Gristle said:

Sorry, I should have said that I put that in the version that I am currently playtesting, which is not yet posted. So, that will be included in the next version. The next version will also include the Riften adventure and a new collar choice that does not require the PC to be naked. 

That makes sense, thank you.

[Chlodwig]

On 12/3/2023 at 12:20 AM, Gristle said:

Thanks all for the comments. Glad you liked it.

 

As for the Jarl-related quests, I'm open to suggestions from anyone. My current thinking (rough ideas) is as follows, but except for the Riften quest, where I'm 50% done, I haven't really decided on anything. Some of these may be shorter, some longer, and the themes may vary a lot.

 

Riften - PC must go undercover as whore to investigate a skooma gang (Idea credit: wHOaMiEH)

Whiterun - PC must investigate and stop Falmer raids in the hold

Morthal - PC must uncover incestuous secrets to prevent a deadly vision from being realized

Winterhold - PC must help the Jarl get revenge on a College member

Windhelm - PC must entertain the crowd in the Windhelm Pit - let's bring back bearbaiting

Falkreath - PC must track down and deal with escaped werewolf

Markarth - PC must discover how Forsworn are entering city and carrying out attacks

Solitude - PC must find a way to deliver a message to Elisif's dead husband in Sovngarde

Dawnstar - PC must stop giant raids on town

 

It would be great when the jarl part would also work after finishing civil war.

so when either Elisif or Ulfric and the replaced Jarls aren't available anymore.

[Gristle]

2 hours ago, Chlodwig said:

It would be great when the jarl part would also work after finishing civil war.

so when either Elisif or Ulfric and the replaced Jarls aren't available anymore.

I'm keeping that in mind. It does limit the options unfortunately. It means I can't do a quest with Idgrod's visions in Morthal, or involve the Black-Briars much in the Riften quest. So, the quests should all work regardless of whoever is the Jarl. Also, Elisif isn't replaced (she switches sides), so at least in Solitude I can do something focused on her.

[Tokyoghoul67]

I'm not able to get past the Troll part in the first phase. Once I bring the Troll to the ship everyone just stands there. Is there anything specific that I have to do?

[killer905]

2 hours ago, Gristle said:

I'm keeping that in mind. It does limit the options unfortunately. It means I can't do a quest with Idgrod's visions in Morthal, or involve the Black-Briars much in the Riften quest. So, the quests should all work regardless of whoever is the Jarl. Also, Elisif isn't replaced (she switches sides), so at least in Solitude I can do something focused on her.

In Vanillia actually Elisif remains Jarl Solitude regardless of who won the civil war), but there is a mod that allows you to kill her (I guess related to Daedra prince), and here this mod will prevent Balazar;s Bitch from working properly.

[Gristle]

7 hours ago, Tokyoghoul67 said:

I'm not able to get past the Troll part in the first phase. Once I bring the Troll to the ship everyone just stands there. Is there anything specific that I have to do?

There's a trigger box (invisible) on the ship that advances the scene. It's on the ship just past the gangplank that leads from the dock to the ship. Once the troll hits the trigger box the troll should assault your PC. Is the troll somehow getting onto the ship other than via the gangplank? I would think the navmesh would make that impossible. Or is the troll getting stuck somewhere and then teleporting to your PC on the ship and missing the trigger box? If so, just lead the troll past the side of the ship where you enter. That should make the troll hit the trigger box. I could make this trigger box bigger if needed.

[Tokyoghoul67]

8 hours ago, Gristle said:

There's a trigger box (invisible) on the ship that advances the scene. It's on the ship just past the gangplank that leads from the dock to the ship. Once the troll hits the trigger box the troll should assault your PC. Is the troll somehow getting onto the ship other than via the gangplank? I would think the navmesh would make that impossible. Or is the troll getting stuck somewhere and then teleporting to your PC on the ship and missing the trigger box? If so, just lead the troll past the side of the ship where you enter. That should make the troll hit the trigger box. I could make this trigger box bigger if needed.

The troll is getting on via the gangplank but is not tripping the trigger box at all. I went on and off via the gangplank 5 times with the troll and nothing has happened. I'll try again....

[Tokyoghoul67]

9 hours ago, Gristle said:

There's a trigger box (invisible) on the ship that advances the scene. It's on the ship just past the gangplank that leads from the dock to the ship. Once the troll hits the trigger box the troll should assault your PC. Is the troll somehow getting onto the ship other than via the gangplank? I would think the navmesh would make that impossible. Or is the troll getting stuck somewhere and then teleporting to your PC on the ship and missing the trigger box? If so, just lead the troll past the side of the ship where you enter. That should make the troll hit the trigger box. I could make this trigger box bigger if needed.

Been trying for the past 45 minutes to get the troll to trip the trigger box. So far no luck....

[Tokyoghoul67]

13 hours ago, Gristle said:

There's a trigger box (invisible) on the ship that advances the scene. It's on the ship just past the gangplank that leads from the dock to the ship. Once the troll hits the trigger box the troll should assault your PC. Is the troll somehow getting onto the ship other than via the gangplank? I would think the navmesh would make that impossible. Or is the troll getting stuck somewhere and then teleporting to your PC on the ship and missing the trigger box? If so, just lead the troll past the side of the ship where you enter. That should make the troll hit the trigger box. I could make this trigger box bigger if needed.

Yeah, this mod is not working for me with the troll part. Been trying for the last 3 hours with no luck. Re-downloaded the mod, re-started the mod, went across the gangplank over 20 times with no luck. If you can figure out something different like instead of an invisible trigger box like maybe a lever to pull that would be great. I would love to really try this quest because so far up until the troll I really like it....