A Starfield rant thread

[Natorl]

Honestly, I could write an endless list of technical, quality of life and immersion-breaking issues I have with the game, but at the end of the day I could easily ignore all of that if the story, characters and dialog was good.

As it is, the only quest I really enjoyed was the Crimson Fleet questline and while I know all the other issues are gonna be fixed eventually by modders, I just feel like there's nothing to keep me interested in the downtime before mods come out.

It wasn't like this for any other Bethesda game I played.  I sank like 400 hours into Fallout 4 before I even downloaded one mod, but with Starfield it just feels like something is missing.  Like the game is designed to extract as much playtime out of me as possible and is prioritizing my entertainment secondary to that.

Edited October 14, 2023 by Norlick

[Gameplayer]

Mass Effect, is coming back.

Picking up right where it left off at the end of the Trilogy with the aftermath, 

 

I expect that it will get slammed hard by Influencers just like what those same influencers did to Mass Effect Andromeda.  Some of you may not be familiar with MEA, but you should be familiar with Cyberpunk 2077 which is actually a good game with top notch story telling.

 

Also since this is a rant thread after all, Starfield is in no way better looking than Mass Effect Andromeda a game that was released in 2017.  All conversations, yes conversations take place in close up's in Starfield but with Mass Effect games going as far back as 2003 with the first entry you have the full involvement of the characters bodies during talks rather than extreme close up's of the face such as Fallout 1 or 2, the originals not the BGS games, of course Starfield characters talk just like Fallout 1 characters sort of going backwards in tech there.

 

There are some good things going for Starfield, sure after you have played Mass Effect Trilogy you may find yourself wishing there were sandbox elements so that you could do all sorts of things, like maybe build a house, build a ship, and actually take the Normandy into a ship battle well you cant but you can do those things in Starfield.  Starfield has no dramatic moments like those found in Mass Effect series because likely Engine limitations.

 

[robert_d_negro]

well its not about comparing looks when we are talking about a Bethesda game... its pointless, there will be mods and then the discussion ends. by the way andromenda really sucked... i feel dirty saying this but the open world of starfield is still better than whatever andromeda tried to do back then... countless fetch and search quests... in exchange of interesting characters and story... well done ! me 1-2 were great then they tried to please everybody and lost their minds with andromenda. lets hope they go back to the roots with the new game.

 

i did not expect sf to have dramatic moments like me as they have to focus on their open world (which failed) and its not clear if mods can pick this garbage up before the playerbase abandons it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Popo07]

 Really Bethesda? Why are potatoes so freaking rare? Have any of your writers watched The Martian?

 

[Guest]

On 10/14/2023 at 5:20 PM, Gameplayer said:

Mass Effect, is coming back.

Picking up right where it left off at the end of the Trilogy with the aftermath, 

That is the trailer for the Legendary Edition, I wish they would expand ME and do better than Andromeda!

I had so little good to say about Starfield I quit and went back to Skyrim SE and Fallout 4, at least they are more than being a Glorified Delivery Bitch.

I do however stop in to see how you all are fairing.

@Miauzi I agree with the drone issue you brought up, F4 has eyebots, Starfield could have even used one of those to Survey, Scan, and Generally been a forward Scout for Exploration.

[Zor2k13]

The tedious running around in starfield and the lack of a map is actually tied supposedly... to making the game look better on gamepass. The longer your play it the better off gamepass is or so I have read. Now we have pete hines retiring I don't have a link rn but it was on mattyplays video recently. Macroshit has their own bad terrible marketing they don't need any of the beth marketing people anymore. This game was made to make macroshit happy not the consumer and since the deal with ms and activision blizzard is done that means if ms fails badly in gaming lets say a year from now, you can expect to see a lot of those absorbed game companies die off as if EA had bought them. We all thought EA was the industry reaper but no it looks like ms is the final form of it. Mush it all together and then kill it off as only ms could. I've noticed a lot of people are going back to fallout 4 and skyrim. Some of the major discord channels I look at are kinda meh with starfield content seems like they are finally getting tired of the game. The worth a buy channel on youtube is hilariously accurate about starfield.

[ShivasBane]

The AI in this game is ridiculous. Not all of it, enemies use cover and will back off if they're taking too many rounds, but friendly and neutral AI's are just idiots. Every time I pull out a weapon to snipe a baddy, a neutral or follower (especially followers) will run to the end of my gun barrel and get shot. If you use scoped weapons this is almost impossible to avoid. It happens in FO4 but not nearly as often. You'd think with the years of experience Bethesda has they would a least try to stop the endless stream of friendly or neutral npc's acting like mindless idiots. I'm tired of having to load a previous save because some dumbass npc decided that dying by friendly fire is the best option and only option.

[FauxFurry]

It took a few weeks to a month until the examinations of Starfield's successes and failings to be released but they are came fast and not-so-furious after said point.

They are not rants so much as they are tangents but it is the length and girth that count here.

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[FauxFurry]

4 hours ago, Popo07 said:

 Really Bethesda? Why are potatoes so freaking rare? Have any of your writers watched The Martian?

 

Classic video game balance 'logic'.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommonplaceRare

[Popo07]

What I expected

 

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 This is 98% of my discovered galaxy...

[Miauzi]

19 minutes ago, Popo07 said:

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Das sind 98 % meiner entdeckten Galaxie ...

 

In fact, 9 out of 10 of all moon or small planets are really "bare" or "hot hell holes" or "cold ice deserts".

The fact that in about 100 star systems about every 3rd or 4th system is found with a planet - which can boast a quite extensive biosphere - i.e. very different biomes (up to "tropical" forests") - is almost on the level of "Star Trek".

This exceeds the boldest predictions currently being discussed in astro-biology - but if one were to apply the current theories to this game ... there would be only 2-3 out of 100 systems with something like traces of "planetary" life.

In this respect, "StarField" is already much richer in terms of life than the current state of astro-science ... but we are in the fantasy world of a computer game.

What is the real problem for me ... the way one should or must explore such a planet -> on foot.

 

This may still be halfway sensible on a planet like the one in the picture below - if you don't move more than 500-1000 metres away from the landing point.

However, on a planet with lush fauna and flora, a space traveller on foot quickly becomes easy prey for the top predators ... at some points I felt like fair game in the style of "Jurassic Park"!!!

After all, I'm not walking through the hunting grounds of a pride of lions on foot in the African savannah - which in turn is being pursued by a huge herd of elephant-sized herbivores!

Axo - there are also actively hunting "flying beasts" ... they can easily carry small cattle through the air in their claws.

No - it's not Pandora - but if you just go into the forest at night ... without a compass - without GPS and without night vision ... it can quickly be deadly

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4 hours ago, Popo07 said:

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 This is 98% of my discovered galaxy...

 

Realistic. There is exactly ONE habitable planet in our solar system which contains 9 planets and many dozens of moons. I would have been very disappointed if every planet was habitable (without needing airlocks on our habitations). edited - I wrote inhabitable when I meant to write habitable.

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3 hours ago, Popo07 said:

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 This is 98% of my discovered galaxy...

 

42 minutes ago, nIn nIn nIn said:

 

Realistic. There is exactly ONE inhabitable planet in our solar system which contains 9 planets and many dozens of moons. I would have been very disappointed if every planet was inhabitable (without needing airlocks on our habitations).

It seems some users want a ultra realistic game while others want a semi realistic game (more geared towards fantasy) I don't disagree with either want.

Where are the gravity wells, solar flares, Gamma ray bursts, Singularities, red giants, on and on, where is something I can get lost in?

I would figuratively shoot myself if I had to play the + route long enough (11 levels) to max out the travelers spaceship and space suit!!

I just don't see either game in the presented format, I can't remember who said it but, (Paraphrased) Starfield is just a big Sandbox with little thought towards what the end user actually wants in a space themed RPG.

[nIn nIn nIn]

Personally I just want enough realism to remind me of the harshness of space, with enough leeway that there are places I can take off my space suit and soak up the rays.

 

The only thing missing in my opinion is the intelligent advanced aliens. I am hoping BGS have DLC content in the pipeline adding in the "Vulcan's and Klingon's" etc.

 

We have the space magic (ala Star Wars), we just need the rest now. Officially. Fully integrated.

[Popo07]

 

 

 For all the armchair experts ,nothing in this game is realistic ,from the story(especially the main story) to space travel. I can carry over 1000 kilos(?) mass in my inventory and reach orbit with a ship that has a 200 kilo max cargo capacity. I can also travel from one end of the galaxy and back with no time change effects. Bethesda really should have made the planet procedural generation more diverse. The last thing I want is to be lectured about realism while putting up with the games shitty writing, and believe me I've completed the weeb ninja faction, space ncr faction, starship trooper faction and disney pirates faction up to the part where you have to get the shield info from Neon. Now I'm just puttering around space trying to actually finish an outpost, whilst flying to every shop in game looking for potatoes because I can't grow them in an outpost using my shite as fertilizer. So in a nut shell once I got my Fallout 4 mod list in working order and tested, Starfield will be shelved to either be saved by modding or rot unfinished.

 

 PS this is not a slam at anyone in particular just an honest rant for when people use the realism card.

 

[nIn nIn nIn]

Opinions are like arse holes - everyone has one.

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Stunde sagte nIn nIn nIn:

Persönlich möchte ich einfach genug Realismus, um mich an die Härte des Weltraums zu erinnern, mit genügend Spielraum, damit es Orte gibt, an denen ich meinen Raumanzug ausziehen und die Strahlen genießen kann.

 

Das Einzige, was meiner Meinung nach fehlt, sind die intelligenten, fortgeschrittenen Außerirdischen. Ich hoffe, dass BGS DLC-Inhalte in der Pipeline hat, die „Vulkaner und Klingonen“ usw. hinzufügen.

 

Wir haben die Weltraummagie (ala Star Wars), wir brauchen jetzt nur noch den Rest. Offiziell. Voll Integriert.

 

"Realism" and "space magic" are mutually exclusive.

And please, in this muddled turd of a story, what are "aliens" supposed to achieve ... apart from being pure "decoration"?

Are they supposed to collect artifacts now too .... their settlement areas?

The whole game has a "lore" background that wouldn't even be good for a "penny" novel!

In D-Land, a TV series is running under the theme "Worst films of all time" ... this plot fits in perfectly.

[Gray User]

I'm surprised that folks are surprised about the space opera aspects and the bad writing.

 

Each BGS has worse writing then the one before, for as far back as I can remember. I can never tell if that's because of some limitation in the quest design tools, or they are marketing to as broad an audience as possible, and they think a more interesting plot would reduce customer base, or they just don't put work into that part (assuming that no one buys the game for the plot). 

 

The realism thing, if I were BGS, I'd do about they did and go for middle realistic and figure there will be trek/wars/battlestar mods, and mods that capture the total boredom and isolation of realistic space travel. Hopefully BGS will actually release a fully armed and operational set of modding tools and we can all tune this to our liking.  

 

 

[Miauzi]

Vor 17 Minuten sagte Gray User:

Ich bin überrascht, dass die Leute über die Space-Opera-Aspekte und den schlechten Schreibstil überrascht sind.

 

Soweit ich mich erinnern kann, ist jedes BGS schlechter geschrieben als das vorherige. Ich kann nie sagen, ob das an einer Einschränkung der Quest-Design-Tools liegt, oder ob sie das Marketing an ein möglichst breites Publikum richten und denken, dass eine interessantere Handlung die Kundenbasis verringern würde, oder ob sie einfach keine Arbeit hineinstecken Teil (vorausgesetzt, dass niemand das Spiel für die Handlung kauft). 

 

Die Sache mit dem Realismus: Wenn ich BGS wäre, würde ich das Gleiche tun und mich für Mittelrealismus entscheiden und mir vorstellen, dass es Trek/Wars/Battlestar-Mods geben wird und Mods, die die totale Langeweile und Isolation realistischer Raumfahrt einfangen. Hoffentlich wird BGS tatsächlich einen voll ausgestatteten und einsatzbereiten Satz Modding-Tools herausbringen, und wir alle können dies nach unseren Wünschen abstimmen. 

 

 

 

I am not surprised ... I was expecting exactly this kind of rubbish.

I'm only surprised by people who think this has even a hint of real space ... you "jump" into the loading screen zone around a planet and ... see yourself surrounded by huge rotating "whatever chunks of rock".

Please what is that supposed to be?

The "asteroid" belt of the habitable planet down there ... barely 10,000 km ABOVE the surface... each so large that it would "fry" the entire biosphere of the planet on impact?

And it's not just one body spinning - there are dozens ... so close together ... that in less than 10 years they will have crumbled into table-sized chunks ... and the resulting meteor shower would wipe out whole swathes of land on the surface.

Please, what kind of "middle realism" is that? ... it's just brain-burning bullshit ... but the main thing is that it says NASA on the outside!

 

[DocClox]

8 hours ago, Popo07 said:

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 This is 98% of my discovered galaxy...

 

I do like the game, but way too many of the habitable planets look like they're from an episode of Classic Trek, where Kirk and Spock beam down to a quarry in New Mexico because they didn't have the budget for anything better.

 

I can see why dense jungle might not have worked very well with the engine, but let's at least see some exotic colors.

 

4 hours ago, Popo07 said:

For all the armchair experts ,nothing in this game is realistic

 

Can we take a moment here and acknowledge that "realistic" is a relative concept?

 

The only thing you will ever encounter that is absolutely realistic is actual Reality. Everything else is an approximation, with some approximations appearing closer to expectations than others. The game could be "more realistic" because everything that isn't reality itself could always be more realistic. But that doesn't mean that the game doesn't achieve a decent approximation, albeit with some concessions for gameplay purposes.

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[Miauzi]

It is not "realism" but only "necessary gameplay" that on the planet with the U.C. capital "New Atlantis" permanently "spacers" or "pirates" or "snake fanatics" or ... land.

You only need to load 1-2 "tiles" next to the spaceport on the planet-map in the "wilderness" ... there it doesn't take 3-5 min and there is a spaceship landing of ... within 200-400 metres from your location. see my first sentence.

Only the first time I thought "oops - how did they get through the customs control" ... but already at the 2nd incident in another self-selected landing zone on this planet I knew -> to couple this "generation" of a planet surface with "random" events can also completely backfire.

In order to scan "New Atlantis" with full competence - i.e. fauna, flora and mineral resources - I had to make 5 outlandings ... each time I had "observers" after a few minutes.

So if you want to play StarField ... you should tear your brain out of your head and hide it from the "logic" ... best buried very deep!

[DocClox]

2 hours ago, Miauzi said:

So if you want to play StarField ... you should tear your brain out of your head and hide it from the "logic" ... best buried very deep!

 

So you're telling me that you are unable to suspend disbelief to the extent necessary for you to enjoy the game?

 

OK. Fair enough. I guess you win the prize.

 

What are you going to play next?

[Miauzi]

Well, I'll just jump over the little stick that the "fanboy" is holding out to me:

if I want fantasy scenarios ... well, there's still "BG 3" on the hard drive ... or I continue writing my Isekai story in the TES universe.

in the latter case I am even free enough to buy a "TARDIS

if I want SF scenarios ... well, I have the Fallout series (whose lore is thankfully NOT by Mr. Todd H.) or if I'm into space -> "Elite".

and if I like a rocket simulation that is acceptable to me -> Kerbal Space

on "Wild West in space" or "young padawan still needs a lot of training" ... sorry - not my playground

[DocClox]

2 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

Well, I'll just jump over the little stick that the "fanboy" is holding out to me:

 

Well yes. Wouldn't want you to engage in actual discussion or anything. Easier by far to just pour scorn on the game and reject anything positive as invalid because <sarcasm>.

 

Seriously : you've gone to a lot of trouble to convince us all that the game in no shape, way, or form meets your needs as a source of entertainment to the extent that you can't bear to hear anything nice said about it.

 

Fine, OK. You win. Why are you still here?

[Miauzi]

Vor 7 Minuten sagte DocClox:

 

Nun ja. Ich möchte nicht, dass Sie sich auf eine tatsächliche Diskussion oder ähnliches einlassen. Es ist bei weitem einfacher, das Spiel einfach zu verachten und alles Positive als ungültig abzulehnen, weil es <Sarkasmus> ist.

 

Im Ernst: Sie haben sich große Mühe gegeben, uns alle davon zu überzeugen, dass das Spiel in keiner Weise Ihren Bedürfnissen als Unterhaltungsquelle entspricht, und zwar so sehr, dass Sie es nicht ertragen können, etwas Nettes darüber zu hören .

 

Gut ok. Du gewinnst. Wieso bist du immer noch da?

 

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wenn den Leuten (den typischen Fanboys) nichts mehr an Argumenten einfällt ... dann kommen so Sprüche wie "hau doch ab wenn es dir nicht gefällt"

 

dann weiss ich immer ... meine Kritik an der Bullenscheiße von "Bug-desta" hat genau "ins Schwarze" getroffen und ist voll auf berechtigt

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