A Starfield rant thread

[DocClox]

6 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

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when people (the typical fanboys) can't think of any more arguments... then they say things like "go away if you don't like it"

 

 

You call me a fanboy suggesting that I'm an unthinking defender of the game, but you are no less dogmatic than I in your rejection of opposing viewpoints. Still, I expect it's different when you do it, am I right?

 

8 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

then I always know... my criticism of the bullshit from "Bug-desta" hit the bull's eye and is completely justified

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Sure. If that serves to deflect any sort of critical thinking and lets you continue in your own little belief bubble, then you keep right on thinking that.

 

I had hoped there might be more to you than just another sniggering troll, but I think I might have to revise that opinion. Back into my block list you go!

[Gameplayer]

I have played a lot of games going back to text based DND before ping with 2 colors.

I say with confidence that Mass Effect Andromeda did not get as fair a shake as Starfield and to top it off MEA was superior in every way! 

Skyrim and Fallout 4 were better games than Starfield! 

In Biowares case MEA not measuring up to the ME trilogy was enough to kill off all DLC and the follow up MEA 2 and 3 games that would have finished up Andromeda sector.

MEA was murdered by influencers because it's faces were awkward, something that got rapidly fixed and really had the game within days of launch never saw the issue.

MEA had amazing visuals that are today right now better than Starfield, best part you needed a 550ti graphics card to enjoy it, seriously take a moment and wonder at how I actually need a serious PC to run Starfield and yes I have the best PC that can be built right now or at least close to it have a 4090!

MEA ppl claimed your choices don't matter, thing is in ME your choices would matter more in game 2 and by game three the ugly outcomes were fully exposed!  We never got to game 2 because people had to have it right now in game 1.  MEA had to live up to the combined ME trilogy rather than just ME1, so in ME1 we had a bad guy but no it was not good enough it had to have the world destroying big bad if the 3 games cause was not living up to it's predecessor.

Point Influencer assinated a good game with way better story telling than what Starfield can hope to offer.  Starfield with it's every choice leads to exact same outcome.

If you paid attention to Balders Gate 3 you would know that influencers have been working massive overtime to assinate that game.  BG3 has amazing story with your choices having divergent and unexpected outcomes something that is sorely missing from gaming.

Influencers nearly destroyed Cyberpunk 2077, still see loads of garbage posted in its forums by copy cat children, another great game getting a beat down vecause it actually raises the bar on gaming even graphically.

If you have kept up with all of the gross back patting going on you would know that turdfield is being declared the most revolutionary game in the last decade for gaming!  What the fuck!  

Todd declared that there was actually a story here, that all those lines of dialogue was amazing, that the graphics was revolutionary.  And then he said to everyone you gotta get a better computer to play this game!

Well Todd I have that better computer an the cost for it was not worth it for this game, but Cyberpunk was a game that Todd did put down publicly, Todd Cyberpunk is better in every way compared to your shit.

 

Fixing this game up for modding why bother there is no good story here, literally Skyrim in Space.  They all said hold my beer our fans just want Skyrim in space here we go, this time we won't even have as good a story either and all outcomes must be the same.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Gameplayer

[Miauzi]

19 minutes ago, Gameplayer said:

Ich habe viele Spiele gespielt, bei denen ich auf textbasiertes DND zurückgekehrt bin, bevor ich mit zwei Farben gepingt habe.

Ich kann mit Zuversicht sagen, dass Mass Effect Andromeda nicht so viel abbekommen hat wie Starfield und um das Ganze abzurunden, war MEA in jeder Hinsicht überlegen! 

Skyrim und Fallout 4 waren bessere Spiele als Starfield! 

Im Fall von Bioware reichte es aus, dass MEA nicht mit der ME-Trilogie mithalten konnte, um alle DLCs und die Nachfolgespiele MEA 2 und 3 zu vernichten, die den Andromeda-Sektor abgeschlossen hätten.

MEA wurde von Influencern ermordet, weil die Gesichter unpassend waren, was schnell behoben wurde und das Spiel tatsächlich innerhalb weniger Tage nach der Veröffentlichung das Problem nie bemerkte.

MEA hatte eine erstaunliche Grafik, die heute besser ist als Starfield. Das Beste daran ist, dass man eine 550ti-Grafikkarte braucht, um es zu genießen. Nehmen Sie sich einen Moment Zeit und fragen Sie sich, warum ich eigentlich einen ernsthaften PC brauche, um Starfield auszuführen, und ja, ich habe den besten PC, den es gibt Kann jetzt gebaut werden oder zumindest in der Nähe davon einen 4090 haben!

MEA-Leute behaupteten, dass Ihre Entscheidungen keine Rolle spielten. In ME würden Ihre Entscheidungen in Spiel 2 wichtiger sein, und im dritten Spiel wurden die hässlichen Ergebnisse völlig offengelegt! Wir kamen nie zu Spiel 2, weil die Leute es sofort in Spiel 1 haben mussten. MEA musste der kombinierten ME-Trilogie gerecht werden und nicht nur ME1, also hatten wir in ME1 einen Bösewicht, aber nein, es war nicht gut genug, wie es war Die Welt zu zerstören wäre ein großes Übel, wenn die Sache mit den drei Spielen ihrem Vorgänger nicht gerecht würde.

Point I Gluencers haben ein gutes Spiel mit einer weitaus besseren Story-Erzählung unterstützt, als Starfield zu bieten hoffen kann. Starfield führt mit all seinen Möglichkeiten zum genau gleichen Ergebnis.

Wenn Sie sich Balders Gate 3 angesehen haben, wissen Sie, dass Influencer enorme Überstunden gemacht haben, um dieses Spiel zu übernehmen. BG3 hat eine erstaunliche Geschichte, bei der Ihre Entscheidungen zu unterschiedlichen und unerwarteten Ergebnissen führen, etwas, das beim Spielen schmerzlich fehlt.

Influencer haben Cyberpunk 2077 fast zerstört, in den Foren wird immer noch jede Menge Müll von Nachahmerkindern gepostet, ein weiteres großartiges Spiel, das in die Kritik geraten ist, weil es sogar grafisch die Messlatte für Spiele höher legt.

Wenn Sie mit all dem ekelhaften Schulterklopfen Schritt gehalten haben, wissen Sie, dass Turdfield zum revolutionärsten Gaming-Spiel des letzten Jahrzehnts erklärt wird! Was zum Teufel! 

Todd erklärte, dass es hier tatsächlich eine Geschichte gäbe, dass all diese Dialogzeilen erstaunlich seien und dass die Grafik revolutionär sei. Und dann sagte er zu allen, dass man sich einen besseren Computer besorgen müsse, um dieses Spiel spielen zu können!

Nun, Todd, ich habe diesen besseren Computer und die Kosten dafür haben sich für dieses Spiel nicht gelohnt, aber Cyberpunk war ein Spiel, das Todd öffentlich abgelehnt hat. Todd Cyberpunk ist in jeder Hinsicht besser im Vergleich zu deinem Mist.

 

 

I have written a seemingly endless list of things here on the forum over the last few weeks - which

- either do not work

- that contradict all scientific laws and thus completely destroy immersion

- that are brain-cracking ideas for an acceptable SF plot

etc. etc.

all this does not bother the "fanboys" one single millimetre.

- either the voluntary mod authors (including those from this forum) would fix it later on

- or it would all be just a game - one should not think so much about it

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After the last big cyberpunk patch, my sweetheart took another look at the game and is thrilled to bits ... I always sit there in amazement when she beats "Smasher" (the one-boss) to pieces with the "iconic spade" ... with the "installed" SANDEVISTAN dancing around him like lightning.

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Edited October 20, 2023 by Miauzi

[travelmedic]

3 hours ago, Miauzi said:

 

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wenn den Leuten (den typischen Fanboys) nichts mehr an Argumenten einfällt ... dann kommen so Sprüche wie "hau doch ab wenn es dir nicht gefällt"

 

dann weiss ich immer ... meine Kritik an der Bullenscheiße von "Bug-desta" hat genau "ins Schwarze" getroffen und ist voll auf berechtigt

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No, you're not hitting the bullseye, and you're not fully justified.

 

You don't like the game.  That's OK, you're entitled to your own opinion.  You don't have to like every game you play.

 

Why though do you continue to hang around, when you're not even playing the game anymore, and try to ruin other peoples enjoyment of it?  That has nothing to do with Bethesda or fanboys, and everything to do with your sour grapes and thinking to yourself that if you don't like something, you're going to prevent everyone else from liking it too.

 

Grow up.

 

I started this thread as a lighthearted, tongue-in-cheek discussion comparing Vasco to Lydia for always blocking doorways.  It was for a laugh, nothing more.  Instead, I now regret opening this  thread as it's been taken over by a couple of crybabies who want to ruin things for everyone.

 

My mother always used to say "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all."  You've made your point here, now wouldn't your energies be better spent on another thread somewhere else where you had something positive to contribute to the discussion?

[Miauzi]

Vor 6 Minuten sagte Travelmedic:

 

Nein, Sie treffen nicht ins Schwarze, und Sie sind nicht völlig gerechtfertigt.

 

Dir gefällt das Spiel nicht. Das ist in Ordnung, Sie haben ein Recht auf Ihre eigene Meinung. Du musst nicht jedes Spiel mögen, das du spielst.

 

Warum aber bleibst du weiterhin herum, wenn du das Spiel gar nicht mehr spielst, und versuchst, anderen Leuten die Freude daran zu verderben? Das hat nichts mit Bethesda oder Fanboys zu tun, sondern nur mit der Tatsache, dass Sie sauer sind und denken: Wenn Ihnen etwas nicht gefällt, verhindern Sie, dass es auch allen anderen gefällt.

 

Erwachsen werden.

 

Ich begann diesen Thread als eine unbeschwerte, augenzwinkernde Diskussion, in der ich Vasco mit Lydia verglich, weil sie ständig Türen blockierte. Es war zum Lachen, mehr nicht. Stattdessen bereue ich es jetzt, diesen Thread eröffnet zu haben, da er von ein paar Heulsuses übernommen wurde, die alles für alle ruinieren wollen.

 

Meine Mutter sagte immer: „Wenn du nichts Nettes zu sagen hast, sag gar nichts.“ Sie haben hier Ihren Standpunkt dargelegt. Wäre es nicht besser, Ihre Energie in einen anderen Thread zu investieren, wo Sie etwas Positives zur Diskussion beizutragen hätten?

 

I don't care what your reasons are for starting this thread ... like everything on internet forums, these things take on a life of their own.

And "no fire, no smoke" ... which translates to without massive problems in an ultra-bad game, not SO MANY users here would complain about the game.

But you also suffer from a typical basic problem -> selective reading ... aka you only read things that fit into your own opinion bubble.

This is not about saying "something nice" ... but about listing problem areas that have to be dealt with - before you can even think about designing or programming your own modifications.

And I have by far not only "criticised" - I have also clearly named what has to be done - so that this game could halfway work...

...like e.g. a compass or a "night vision" to not stand completely helpless in the area when exploring planets.

But who even ignores - that the oceans actually consist of only ONE flat 2D surface ... and therefore a complete fauna scan is impossible in a "legal" way - well, what else can I call him than a criticism-shy "fanboy".

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[Guest]

2 hours ago, travelmedic said:

Why though do you continue to hang around, when you're not even playing the game anymore, and try to ruin other peoples enjoyment of it?  That has nothing to do with Bethesda or fanboys, and everything to do with your sour grapes and thinking to yourself that if you don't like something, you're going to prevent everyone else from liking it too.

Oh that everyone was that easily swayed!

Your saying that all the users are small minded and one opinion in A Rant thread is going to stop Everyone from being able to decide on their own.

Can everyone just grab a deep breath?

We are all here trying to voice our own opinions, not start beating on each other?!

This is after all a rant thread....If you don't like the opinion of the other users, sure counter as every opinion is valid right up to the point where one starts running the other down, Shit people play nice or don't play.

I have learned from this thread things not to do in game when I do start again.

It is just a Game that is supposed to be engaging, entertaining, and Fun.

I, unfortunately don't see any of those things, that doesn't mean you cannot see those things.

We are all different people who come here for the love of gaming, we should at the very least try to see the other users opinion as Valid as our own opinions, and try to be more compassionate to others......

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Sir Bron

[Miauzi]

Vor 12 Minuten sagte Sir Bron:

Oh, dass alle so leicht zu beeinflussen waren!

Sie sagen, dass alle Benutzer kleingeistig sind und eine Meinung in einem Rant-Thread jeden daran hindern wird, selbst zu entscheiden.

Kann jeder einmal tief durchatmen?

Wir alle versuchen hier, unsere eigene Meinung zu äußern, und nicht, uns gegenseitig zu beschimpfen?!

Dies ist schließlich ein Schimpfthread ... Wenn Ihnen die Meinung der anderen Benutzer nicht gefällt, kontern Sie auf jeden Fall, da jede Meinung bis zu dem Punkt gültig ist, an dem einer anfängt, den anderen herunterzumachen. Scheiße, die Leute spielen nett oder nicht Ich spiele nicht.

Ich habe aus diesem Thread gelernt, was ich im Spiel nicht tun sollte, wenn ich neu anfange.

Es ist einfach ein Spiel, das fesselnd, unterhaltsam und unterhaltsam sein soll.

Ich sehe leider nichts davon, das heißt aber nicht, dass man diese Dinge nicht sehen kann.

Wir sind alle unterschiedliche Menschen, die aus Liebe zum Spielen hierher kommen. Wir sollten zumindest versuchen, die Meinung anderer Benutzer als genauso gültig anzusehen wie unsere eigene Meinung, und versuchen, anderen gegenüber mitfühlender zu sein …

 

 

If you want to play a big game hunter ... to literally "exterminate" entire animal species with a big gun ... then it's a good fit with this game.

You even have to do it ... if you don't want to buy raw materials from the trader ... many things for the necessary medicines are "harvested" from dead (i.e. self-hunted) animals.

 

This "bang-bang" mechanic works excellently ... because you can also "scan" dead animals and thus complete the fauna data.

 

In order to increase the "zoology" skill - you need fewer hand scans for a complete data set - you MUST shoot hundreds of animals or at least loot the carcasses.

Unfortunately, it does not work with sea-dwellers ... unless you use the god mode to "fly" with a jet pack.

[DDetrix]

Bg3 gets too much praise. It's good and for modern games that's amazing but it's still just good. Sex scenes were such a disappointment, my wives soaps has more 'racy' scenes in them.

 

I don't even know where to begin with Starfield.  I don't know what's up with the supporters. Sadly, I can't watch the pro videos, they all feel fake like being part of some paid PR program. Talk and talk about nothing, best game ever. The people dumping on it have some valid points around the mindless AI.  The thing I can't stand is all the immortal npcs, I guess for story or quests but boy that sucks. 

 

IMO valid pros

Ship building - Although ships don't have a huge function.

Game has some of the past fun stuff - Although from what I heard outposts are pretty pointless.

 

Valid negs are too many to list

Brain dead AI

Loading screens

Awful story

etc etc

 

 

I'm holding off until proper mods but I'm begining to feel like the modding community could be a bit light. I guess time will tell.

 

[polska]

starfield in 5 years will have much less mods than fallout 4. modders will abandon this woke game just like 90% of the players already abandoned the game. there is no hope

 

its just pure garbage with a few good parts in it.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, polska said:

woke

Leave the Political BS at the sign in page, You people see "woke" like Ghosts, lurking everywhere. There is nothing Woke about this game.

[DDetrix]

14 hours ago, Sir Bron said:

Leave the Political BS at the sign in page, You people see "woke" like Ghosts, lurking everywhere. There is nothing Woke about this game.

 

~spoilers

Are there ghosts in the game though? I remember reading they copied the multi verse idea and there are ghost or you know folks from other universes. I get the multiverse is based on the problems quantum physics pose but the simpler answer to those problems ~ the universe is rigged. Problem solved. From movie and game paradigm, I think it's bad writing. It makes solutions hollow and meaningless. Of course, maybe that's the 'edgy' idea some failed writers what to put forward. I say failed since it doesn't seem to be successful in the long run. 

 

Hey maybe in one universe that idea is successful. (joking)

 

 

[Miauzi]

Vor 33 Minuten sagte DDetrix:

 

~Spoiler

Gibt es Geister im Spiel? Ich erinnere mich, dass ich gelesen habe, dass sie die Multiversen-Idee kopiert haben und dass es Geister oder Leute aus anderen Universen gibt. Ich verstehe, dass das Multiversum auf den Problemen der Quantenphysik basiert, aber die einfachere Antwort auf diese Probleme ist, dass das Universum manipuliert ist. Problem gelöst. Vom Film- und Spieleparadigma her halte ich es für eine schlechte Schreibweise. Es macht Lösungen hohl und bedeutungslos. Natürlich ist das vielleicht die „nervöse“ Idee einiger gescheiterter Autoren, was sie vorbringen sollten. Ich sage gescheitert, da es auf lange Sicht keinen Erfolg zu haben scheint. 

 

Hey, vielleicht ist diese Idee in einem Universum erfolgreich. (scherzen)

 

 

 

From a certain point in time... aka progress in the main story... alongside the "Envoy" and the "Hunter" "Starborn" permanently appear... they ALL come from other universes... as do the "Guardians". Temple - attacking the player after "gaining" a new "power".

But even before that, these "star-born" haunt the history of humanity... the calculation formulas for the first grav drive (which the supercomputer on the moon was supposed to solve) did not come from the earthly scientist -> but from one of his multiverse systems. Copies

She also informed him that the formula is INCOMPLETE... which means that when the grav drive is used, the earth will be destroyed (uninhabitable).

But because his own knowledge of the physics behind the equations was effectively ZERO... because of the title "inventor of the grav drive" he deliberately destroyed the "cradle of humanity" and 90-95% of all people died on the dying earth left.

What a plot!

In the 1970s, something like this would have been seen in the cinema as a "B film".

And what are the Starborn doing during their time in the current universe?

They chase after the artifact fragments... to get to the next universe... but only with the complete set.

The last third of my playing time - in which I tried to get to the locations of other temples - I was harassed by ships or ground commandos of the "Starborn" on EVERY external landing (on a moon or planet).

Each dead one gives you a "piece of their soul" for improving your own "Jedi power"... basically the counterpart to the dragon souls from Skyrim.

What a plot for a AAA title in 2023!

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[Guest]

1 hour ago, DDetrix said:

 

~spoilers

Are there ghosts in the game though? I remember reading they copied the multi verse idea and there are ghost or you know folks from other universes. I get the multiverse is based on the problems quantum physics pose but the simpler answer to those problems ~ the universe is rigged. Problem solved. From movie and game paradigm, I think it's bad writing. It makes solutions hollow and meaningless. Of course, maybe that's the 'edgy' idea some failed writers what to put forward. I say failed since it doesn't seem to be successful in the long run. 

 

Hey maybe in one universe that idea is successful. (joking)

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

From a certain point in time... aka progress in the main story... alongside the "Envoy" and the "Hunter" "Starborn" permanently appear... they ALL come from other universes... as do the "Guardians". Temple - attacking the player after "gaining" a new "power".

But even before that, these "star-born" haunt the history of humanity... the calculation formulas for the first grav drive (which the supercomputer on the moon was supposed to solve) did not come from the earthly scientist -> but from one of his multiverse systems. Copies

She also informed him that the formula is INCOMPLETE... which means that when the grav drive is used, the earth will be destroyed (uninhabitable).

But because his own knowledge of the physics behind the equations was effectively ZERO... because of the title "inventor of the grav drive" he deliberately destroyed the "cradle of humanity" and 90-95% of all people died on the dying earth left.

What a plot!

In the 1970s, something like this would have been seen in the cinema as a "B film".

And what are the Starborn doing during their time in the current universe?

They chase after the artifact fragments... to get to the next universe... but only with the complete set.

The last third of my playing time - in which I tried to get to the locations of other temples - I was harassed by ships or ground commandos of the "Starborn" on EVERY external landing (on a moon or planet).

Each dead one gives you a "piece of their soul" for improving your own "Jedi power"... basically the counterpart to the dragon souls from Skyrim.

What a plot for a AAA title in 2023!

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[FauxFurry]

On 10/20/2023 at 9:00 AM, DocClox said:

 

Well yes. Wouldn't want you to engage in actual discussion or anything. Easier by far to just pour scorn on the game and reject anything positive as invalid because <sarcasm>.

 

Seriously : you've gone to a lot of trouble to convince us all that the game in no shape, way, or form meets your needs as a source of entertainment to the extent that you can't bear to hear anything nice said about it.

 

Fine, OK. You win. Why are you still here?

Look at the title of this thread. 

[Miauzi]

29 minutes ago, FauxFurry said:

Schauen Sie sich den Titel dieses Threads an. 

 

The opener of this thread said:

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I started this thread as a lighthearted, tongue-in-cheek discussion comparing Vasco to Lydia for always blocking doorways.  It was for a laugh, nothing more.  Instead, I now regret opening this  thread as it's been taken over by a couple of crybabies who want to ruin things for everyone.

 

Soso - the more than justified criticism of the game is dismissed as "whining from crybabies".

That actually says everything about some of the players and forum users.

 

[FauxFurry]

9 minutes ago, Miauzi said:

 

The opener of this thread said:

 

Soso - the more than justified criticism of the game is dismissed as "whining from crybabies".

That actually says everything about some of the players and forum users.

 

It might as well be a 'Sodium Free' post on Reddit. 

This is more fitting to a thread with this title:

It should be more like a complaints department. Satisfied customers need not apply.

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, FauxFurry said:

It might as well be a 'Sodium Free' post on Reddit. 

This is more fitting to a thread with this title:

It should be more like a complaints department. Satisfied customers need not apply.

I'm so happy I'm leaving the modding community.

[Guest]

I Quit This Thread.   Bye

 

EDIT: I don't know what is worse, The shitty Game or this Thread.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Sir Bron

[DocClox]

6 hours ago, FauxFurry said:

Look at the title of this thread. 

 

I like to think the ranting is more "letting off steam" rather than unrestrained negativity and shameless tribalism.

 

I like to think that we, as a community, are better than that. Or that we at least strive to be.

[travelmedic]

1 hour ago, DocClox said:

 

I like to think the ranting is more "letting off steam" rather than unrestrained negativity and shameless tribalism.

 

That was certainly my intention when I started the thread.

 

1 hour ago, DocClox said:

I like to think that we, as a community, are better than that. Or that we at least strive to be.

 

We should all aspire this way.

[Miauzi]

It's not about "swearing triads" or about "letting off steam"... in my opinion these are still an attempt to devalue legitimate criticism and to "subtly" insult the writer in question!

“Let’s” be specific:

One of the heavily promoted elements of this game was the -> "Discover"

For this purpose, around 1000 moons and planets were brought into 100 star systems... and provided with a "generated" surface... which can be completely accessed/travelled.

Furthermore, a larger number of planets and moons have been "populated" with animals and plants... a lot of work has been put into the corresponding models... and actually - it mostly feels like a functioning, living world.

But it's not just about "looking"... it's about "discovering"... and what do "discoverers" do -> they collect scientific data... in "StarField" this is done with a HAND SCANNER.

To scan you have to get close to the object... the skill starts at 10 meters and can be increased up to 40-50 meters.

As a "discoverer" you can sell the data obtained through "scanning"... "Vladimir" on his space station pays really good "money" for it... he also has 20,000 credits in his "pot" for it.

 

But the data set must be complete... that means for planets with life -> scan ALL animal and plant species... if you don't have a developed zoology or botany skill, this means 8 successful scans per species!

Everything sounds good so far... if not perfect... well... if the word "if" wasn't there:

Many living planets/moons have seas or oceans... which you CANNOT land on (which makes sense)

But in 2/3 of all cases, there are animals living in these waters -> ANIMALS... animals that are needed for a complete scan of the planetary fauna.

So you need scans of these sea-dwelling animal species... otherwise no "discovery" deal with Vladimir... or another dealer (who pays significantly worse prices)

So how do you get to the sea? ... Find a landing zone on the planetary overview map where the addition "coast" appears in the name (the designation) ... and land there.

Once you've chosen a "biome" with a forest... have fun looking for the beach... as the transition from land to water.

Overview map of the landing zone? What please? ... No - there is no such thing in the game ... so where you could see where the coastline is.

Do we have a compass... so that we know approximately where north is... because on the planetary overview map the sea is, for example, "east"?? No of course not!

(which is why... blindly searching in the middle of the forest is also a lot of fun for an "discoverer")

 

But none of that is the actual problem... because at some point you'll get to the beach... if you run fast enough... or shoot all the predators and angry herbivores out of the way... only to find out... The sea is a 2D surface... without water or even seabed underneath.

Since "we" as players don't have the name "Jesus"... we also lack the ability to walk on the surface of water.

But “we” can “swim”... can “we”?? -> NO... the whole thing is just the "sliding" of a 3D object (as the player's avatar body) ON a smooth 2D surface... without anything underneath.

By "anything" are meant

- Water

- Water plants

- Seabed

Because there is something "UNDER" the 2D surface -> the animal sea inhabitants you are looking for... they are moving in NOTHING... because they are actually 3D objects UNDER the 2D sea surface.

So what's wrong here?

Well - the "sea" probably wasn't finished by the time the game was released... would be the simplest answer now.

Otherwise you could have changed the tool that contains the "meta data" of a planet (for the number of animal species) ... so that scan data of animals from the sea is simply not needed ... simplest solution.

And now? How do you as an “discoverer” get to these animals?

 

Then enter this "surface"... sometimes (like on "Neon") nothing happens to you at first.

As a rule - very often - you as a player suffer massive damage

- Frostbite

- deadly germs

- or other fun things

No - you can forget about the space suit as protection on a planet with a biosphere ... since "biosphere" usually means oxygen in the atmosphere ... we "switch off" it in the game on such celestial bodies ... so these protective functions.

So can I now forget my data set as an “discoverer”? -> YES! ... unless... you "cheat" a lot... and use the jet pack for extensive sightseeing flights over the "sea" using "god mode".

Do you have to play as an “explorer”?

No - of course not... but why is it really massively advertised with this way of playing?

And this is exactly where the core of the criticism lies:

The game is advertised and sold with "mechanics"... that simply aren't there or don't work!

This is nothing other than customer fraud... and it must be clearly stated!

POINT

 

 

 

[GrimReaper]

On 10/22/2023 at 9:19 AM, Sir Bron said:

Leave the Political BS at the sign in page, You people see "woke" like Ghosts, lurking everywhere. There is nothing Woke about this game.

Hm, I don't know. Starfield in my opinion is at least sanitized to hell and back. There's no rough edges or anything like that, it's all perfect corporate shlock. Compare the world of Starfield to those of Skyrim or Fallout - almost no gore, nothing that could be considered offensive. Hell, even the female bodies are androgynous - while you couldn't create your big titty waifu in Fallout or Skyrim either, at least some of the time some amount of skin was shown (like the forsworn or raider armors). In Starfield? Even the supposedly biggest and seediest nightclub in the galaxy has dancers in weird full body suits that look like space teletubbies.

 

And in my opinion that's hard to fix with mods because the entire game oozes this corporate family friendliness. In Skyrim and Fallout sex and nudity was much more believable but I can't really imagine people in Starfield being so naughty and daring to have sex with each other because everything is so sterile and clean. Every place is equally as diverse as the next and that worries me for the next Elder Scrolls - imagine how boring and safe it would be if every settlement had an equal representation of every race. Not to mention that the racial conflicts in Windhelm would be a big no-no nowadays unless you of course use it as a soapbox to preach how bad fantasy racism is. Just look at how WotC is gutting the DnD system because orcs = black people or whatever. Meanwhile, every conflict in Starfield - such as between the UC and the FC - is surface deep and abstract.  Anything more than that and you risk upsetting a certain crowd.

 

My simple guess is that a Starfield that would've released pre 2016 - this was also the time when google cracked down on edgy content on its platforms - would look rather different than the version we have today.

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12 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Starfield in my opinion is at least sanitized to hell and back. There's no rough edges or anything like that,

 

It could all do with being a bit less "Disney Channel". Neon in particular. The pleasure capital of the settled systems, and the kinkiest thing you'll find going on is a couple of middle aged guys dressed in skintight fish costumes and twerking at the dancers in a nightclub.

 

14 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

And in my opinion that's hard to fix with mods because the entire game oozes this corporate family friendliness.

 

The good news is that there's plenty of room ti add new content. Maybe there's a floor in one of those New Atlantis towers where the city swingers go to let their hair down. Maybe the floor doesn't even show up unless you have an electronic invite. Or you could have sub levels in the Well where dubious things happen that nice people don't talk about. Neon's easy enough. There's room among the Ebbside warehouses and the underbelly for any amount of perversity.

 

Akila is harder to do. There's a cleans-scrubbed "just folks" wholesomeness to them that's hard to combine with too much kink. but I could easily imagine that out in the wilds there are cults and communes and survivalist compounds with all sorts of weird sex practices.

 

And of course, they Key  - lose some layers of clothing and add some public sex in the Last Nova and I doubt anyone would raise an eyebrow.

 

I reckon it's doable. It'll work better if we work with the setting rather than against it, but definitely doable.

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On 10/20/2023 at 4:02 PM, DDetrix said:

Bg3 gets too much praise. It's good and for modern games that's amazing but it's still just good. Sex scenes were such a disappointment, my wives soaps has more 'racy' scenes in them.

 

I don't even know where to begin with Starfield.  I don't know what's up with the supporters. Sadly, I can't watch the pro videos, they all feel fake like being part of some paid PR program. Talk and talk about nothing, best game ever. The people dumping on it have some valid points around the mindless AI.  The thing I can't stand is all the immortal npcs, I guess for story or quests but boy that sucks. 

 

IMO valid pros

Ship building - Although ships don't have a huge function.

Game has some of the past fun stuff - Although from what I heard outposts are pretty pointless.

 

Valid negs are too many to list

Brain dead AI

Loading screens

Awful story

etc etc

 

 

I'm holding off until proper mods but I'm begining to feel like the modding community could be a bit light. I guess time will tell.

 

BG3 get's too much praise lol?!  
The game is PHENOMENALLY good in so many regards; this coming from a solid gamer of the last 4 decades who has played thousands over the years. 

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but the game is objectively such a well made title that I can't really take anybody seriously after I hear them say that, even if they aren't a fan themselves. 

To continue on with the Starfield rant theme tho, why in the hell does this site have a section dedicated to the worst Bethesda title of all time, and **NOT** Baldur's Gate 3, a game where there is quite literally sex and nudity built in???? 

[HappyHimitsu]

9 hours ago, Sir Bron said:

I Quit This Thread.   Bye

 

EDIT: I don't know what is worse, The shitty Game or this Thread.

The shitty game by about $90 CAD. 
The thread is fun if you don't take things too seriously, the game stole my money (asked for a refund but couldn't get one because I went over the play-time limit - but the game is designed in such a way that you don't realize it's a lemon until you're so many hours in); here's hoping modders make it decent once the modding kit releases so it's not a total wash - fuck Starfield lol. 

Edited October 23, 2023 by HappyHimitsu