Skyrim voice actors speak out against porn mods using their AI generated voices

[Alessia Wellington]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

Yes but that's more like copying the way someone draws but with voice it's much more straight forward because your voice is your likeness.

 

Which brings me back to a previous point: Where's the difference if you use AI or hire a voice imitator to get the desired voice?

[Mr. Otaku]

4 minutes ago, Alessia Wellington said:

 

Which brings me back to a previous point: Where's the difference if you use AI or hire a voice imitator to get the desired voice?

 

Because when you're imitating someone's voice it's still clear who that voice actually belongs to, you're imitating someone else's likeness. AI removes that and clones from the source which is eligible for copyright infringement. Same with how tracing someone's art and drawing very similar to someone's art are handled differently. Stable diffusion is imitating someone's work instead of making a 1:1 copy which keeps it from being a clone unlike an AI that clones some VA's voice directly.

[Alessia Wellington]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

Because when you're imitating someone's voice it's still clear who that voice actually belongs to, you're imitating someone else's likeness. AI removes that and clones from the source which is eligible for copyright infringement

 

If you don't credit the imitator nor the actual VA, you're also eligible for copyright infringement. Which is quite the nonsene. Next you're gonna copyright your hairstyle or what?

[Mr. Otaku]

8 minutes ago, Alessia Wellington said:

If you don't credit the imitator nor the actual VA, you're also eligible for copyright infringement. Which is quite the nonsene. Next you're gonna copyright your hairstyle or what?

 

If someone uses someone's direct likeness and don't credit the owner of said likeness then yes that is absolutely eligible for copyright infringement as it should, doubly so if they use that likeness for their own commercial use because that's making money off of someone else's intellectual property which doesn't cover hairstyle, obviously lmao.

Edited August 1, 2023 by Mr. Otaku
"Do you know the definition of a typo?" -Crazy Man With A Mohawk

[VersuchDrei]

3 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said:

if voice Ai is used that way then sure no problem

 

Plot twist: It actually is. The reason 11labs needs so few sample dialogue is because it has a giant database of neutral dialogue in the background that was recorded by 11labs using consenting VAs. That's why for Serana and female even toned the 11labs output is much better than for voices like female orc, because the sample database is pretty even toned itself and therefore greatly compatible with Serana and female even toned, but not so much with other voice types. And you can hear that if you listen to the generated dialogue.

Edited August 1, 2023 by VersuchDrei

[Mr. Otaku]

38 minutes ago, VersuchDrei said:

Plot twist: It actually is. The reason 11labs needs so few sample dialogue is because it has a giant database of neutral dialogue in the background that was recorded by 11labs using consenting VAs. That's why for Serana and female even toned the 11labs output is much better than for voices like female orc, because the sample database is pretty even toned itself and therefore greatly compatible with Serana and female even toned, but not so much with other voice types. And you can hear that if you listen to the generated dialogue.

 

But that's still replicating someone's voice directly, i was talking about creating completely new voices. It wouldn't matter how Elevnlabs does what it does because the end result and usage makes all the difference, in this case legality-wise there should be no threat to the original VA since the mods that use their replicated voices aren't being used commercially but if Bethesda all of a sudden started using Laura Bailey's voice cloned with AI they'll rightfully be in trouble. That was my original point.

[Guest]

The problem with these AI tools is that their parent companies utilize the art and assets of others without giving them proper compensation.  Thus, I am on the side of the VAs and artists in this situation because they never gave permission for their works or voices to be included in the AI´s asset database, and by extension, never recieved compensation for the use of their art or voices used in these AI-generated projects.

Edited August 1, 2023 by TadeoSanti
clarification

[Guest]

AI replacing VAs is not enough. You barely will need voiced quests. Back in the old days characters would not even move their mouths, so asking voice from quest mods is a overstretch. The entire polemic is just cheap entertainment (as is most of parlor dramas). 
I think AI would be much more useful if it could replace 3D artists. This way, I could ask a AI to reproduce gothic and baroque buildings (both exteriors and interiors) for the nif format, and then deploy them in the CK. I would even pay for such tool. 

[valencia]

On 7/8/2023 at 1:09 AM, SmedleyDButler said:

There's some asshole shit-disturber "Robbie92_" who's on a personal crusade to notify every game VC they can find if any mod has been made using their voice lines, even if the mods are perfectly ethical and approved. He says it's only about NSFW mods, but I personally know multiple modders he's harassed and tagged who have nothing to do with NSFW mods.

 

I'd expect this to get more attention just because his one-man dumbass crusade is the sort of thing trash game site love publishing.

Lmao there's always this one guy who's hell bent on ruining it for everyone

[Metro Station]

On 8/1/2023 at 2:15 PM, TadeoSanti said:

compensation

...that's a very interesting thought. But for a painting... because of the example... how many times can you ask for money!?

 

 

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...ez nagyon érdekes gondolat. De egy festményért - a példa miatt - hányszor lehet pénzt elkérni!?

Vajon a hobbiért lehet pénzt kérni!? És ha lehet, hány alkalommal?

*** ha elkészítek egy tortát - például kirakatvásáron - és eladnám az érdeklődő(k)nek, hányszor kaphatok érte pénzt... ?

Ha valaki érti a HOBBI fogalmát - amit ma egyre kevesebben - akkor pontosan tudja azt is.

-- Ami a saját pénzen elkészített önmagának, azt eladhatja ugyan... de csak 1 alkalommal.

-- Amint közreadta az azonnal köztulajdon. Egy szabad préda és akárki viheti... bárki és bármire használhatja!

... és ez az a pont, ami egyesek értelmi képességét teljes mértékben és bőséggel meghaladja!

 

Az emberekkel "csak" az a baj, hogy kapzsik lettek. Mohók!

[zaira]

The genie is out of the bottle and the voice actors objections may seem understandable, but this is an absolute sideshow, and the actors are wrong - resampling has been standard in the music scene since the beginning.

I have the strong suspicion that the argumentation of the speakers is only pretended and that the real motivations are rather greed for money and outdated prudish moral concepts.

The much bigger problem is that neither voice recordings nor video recordings will have any relevance as evidence in court proceedings in the future.

 

We are stumbling into an age of fakes, where there will be no more certainties.

 

 

[27X]

On 7/22/2023 at 10:09 PM, Asrienda said:

The actual contempt some people here are showing towards VAs is worrying

 

[Guest]

On 8/7/2023 at 4:02 PM, User39042 said:

 

It does.. sort of. And it will improve. Plenty of AI Blender plugins. Best way to get textures is through procedural rendering, which is tedious. Now AI takes that hard work away from you. But again, if you're in the industry, stuff like this happens what seems like on a daily basis. Adapting and learning the tools is how one survives. The one's who really will be hurt are the writers, but good, they were trash to begin with. A good writer can outperform GPT any day of the week, even on a writer's block, but the shitty hollywood writers who have no grasp of realistic world experiences... yeah, their fucked, and good riddance.

It'll be a long time before AI can be creative. At best it somewhat mimics human work, and with some human intervention, you can make it seem good. Same with VA's. A trained VA can outperform AI anytime of day. They don't have to worry.

 

 

I think you misunderstood my post. I was talking about a AI that access Blender by itself, and do whatever I ask in the prompt, without me touching Blender. Sort like Stable Diffusion, but for entire 3D spaces in nif format. The textures I can assign later, using nifskope. 

Do you think AI development can reach this stage in the next 4 years? 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, User39042 said:

But we have plugins for Blender that can take a 2D image and extrapolate it into a 3D model.

 

 

The issue here is that the back of the image was not photographed, so you will only have half of the model (for interiors, I mean). 

So a AI would be useful if it could complete the back side (that is not in the picture) and export it to a useable format. 

For this, it would need to predict the "movement" of architecture details in the image, in order to draw a 3D space. 

In this way you would not even need a prompt, only use the photography as a base for the AI to work. 

 

Personally I think AI is not really that advanced as people say. Voice acting is not enough, and is barely used anyway. At most I will only use it for guards. 

I will only take AI seriously when (and if) it have this kind of complexity. Until there it is just noise. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Wolfstorm321

[FauxFurry]

17 minutes ago, Wolfstorm321 said:

 

 

The issue here is that the back of the image was not photographed, so you will only have half of the model (for interiors, I mean). 

So a AI would be useful if it could complete the back side (that is not in the picture) and export it to a useable format. 

For this, it would need to predict the "movement" of architecture details in the image, in order to draw a 3D space. 

In this way you would not even a prompt, only use the photography as a base for the AI to work. 

 

Personally I think AI is not really that advanced as people say. Voice acting is not enough, and is barely used anyway. At most I will only use it for guards. 

I will only take AI seriously when (and if) it have this kind of complexity. Until there it is just noise. 

Obsidian only uses AI for filler dialogue in side content so the pros already know that the tech is not there yet for full script readings so saving it for inconsequential NPCs is the right decision for any indie developer or mod maker looking to fill out the sound scape.

[SmedleyDButler]

Yes, the follower mods which try to externally hook into ChatGPT for dialogue are, uh, interesting, but a long way off being useful for prime time.

 

There's the uncanny valley factor, but another layer to that is also never being quite sure whether the dialogue spoken is specific to the NPC in some way (i.e. background or personality input into the model), or just drawing on the generic response set these models have been trained on. It's all very Alien-in-a-human-suit.

[DamienVryce]

Actors have historically had similar social standing as prostitutes. The advent of recorded media and the moneyed interests who monopolized parts of it changed this for a while, with concurrent attempts to flex their perceived influence, but this is temporary.  They'll struggle and squirm at the return to the norm, and no doubt insist upon contractual protections in future gigs which will enable them to attempt legal defense against some dude generating the lines "oh! oh! just like that! oh!" for their porn mod.

 

The end result will be some vaguely similar AI voice synthesizing the lines "oh! oh! just like that! oh!" and no one will care.  Not even the actors, because they will be too busy prostituting themselves after they lose their jobs to AIs that cost less and show up on time.

[xXDeliteXx]

One red flag is they're saying this is "abuse"
This isn't physical abuse, this isn't even mental abuse.
What people do in their own games is their business.

[REDheadnord]

so who has naughty voices 2.7 ?  lost it when i reset my PC and now its deleted. I need my Serenna voice back. 

 

[Darkening Demise]

So.... did someone make porn mods with the AI skyrim voices then? Like..... what's going on?

[Wandering_Mania]

Personally I think that if the VA's are offended, then that's a 'them problem'. It's a risk that comes with the job, and they should be aware of it. But they also have no right to stifle creativity simply because advanced technology has been able to replicate what they sound like. It's not like they are personally, physically, emotionally, or monetarily, damaged because of fan created mods. If they don't know of something, it can't hurt them. If they know about it, and it does hurt them, it's because they allow it to do so. And there's no shortage of future work for them.

 

Or in short; It's just more famous people further alienating themselves from reality. "You hurt me because I can't buy another $4,000,000 house!" It's real difficult to feel any pity for them.

[Wandering_Mania]

8 hours ago, Darkening Demise said:

So.... did someone make porn mods with the AI skyrim voices then? Like..... what's going on?

I think it was more about NukaRide for Fallout 4.