Bimbos Of Skyrim LE/SE

[jib_buttkiss]

6 hours ago, NicoleDragoness said:

I gave a long try to this mod with my heavily modded Skyrim LE (but WITHOUT DD).

PRO:

1. Is funny and interesting for the mayor parts.

2. It has potential for further developments.

3. It makes the Player to journey everywhere.

 

CONS:

1. No return from the Bimbo conditions is really a negative thing. I hope, at least, for an option to do a long, difficult and full of "rewarding sex" quest to cure the curse.

2. Morphs only for CBBE is negative too. My wonderful ASDASDF-BHUMP bodies (a slight lite version of the full BHUMP) deserves the changes.

   (At least I can count on ABBA).

3. I encountered some issue with Lydia (the obvious follower to curse, of course). Unable to speak about hairstyles, makeup and so on because some sort of pop-up message about "hidden DD slots?" (I wasn't able to memorize in full.)

4. And I was never able to sell her (while I can easily with TDF).

5. It makes the Player to journey everywhere go and back, go and back, go and back ............

 

Anyway a good job, for now.

 

Well, I'm glad you're enjoy the parts that you are!

 

Just to speed through the issues you've been having:

1- This is something I'm working on adding. It'll probably be in the next version in some form (if you go a few pages back, I was discussing my plans for it back there somewhere)

 

2- I would do morphs for other bodies, but to be honest handling morphs is a pain in the ass and I can't address every obscure bodytype. ABBA does because that's the whole point of the mod, but here I can't work with every body that's out there. It sucks but for my sanity it has to happen.

 

3- If you can't discuss bimbo things with her, it sounds like she might not be fully bimbofied yet, and the "Hey, you little bimbo..." dialogue option won't appear until she is. It takes a while, there's 14 (16? can't remember) stages, one per day, each with a message box that will pop up. The final stage makes it pretty clear that the curse is complete (there's 2 message boxes, and you'll be given a note). Once she's totally bimbo'd, you can use that "Hey, you little bimbo..." chat to change hair styles, whore her out, etc..

 

The "hidden DD slots" is a current bug that will be fixed for the next version. It sometimes prevents changing a bimbo's hair. I'm not currently sure what causes it exactly (because I haven't looked yet) but you can usually get around it by either giving her a helmet or taking one away before trying to change her hair.

You're right that DD isn't a requirement, by the way. The mention of Devious Devices in that popup is a bit outdated- it started as a DD-failsafe but was extended to a generalised force-equipped item failsafe and I didn't change the popup.

 

4- Selling her out is done through the "Hey, you little bimbo..." dialogue, but it's pretty simple thing! Don't expect anything as advanced as TDF! Like with ABBA and morphs, a mod that specifies in a feature will do it better than a mod where the feature is one small one of many!

 

5-Well, you need to journey around for the quests to really give things time to sink in... Wouldn't be much fun if Lyvelia cursed you but the cure was just 5 minutes up the road, would it?

But actually, a few of the quests are radiant like Skyrim's default fetch quests, so it's on our Lord Todd Howard if you get send across the world for those ones.

 

2 hours ago, LinksSword said:

Hmm... Alright i was not expecting too see this little gem pop up when i checked today but am i sure glad it is and it works for both LE and SE! I love bimbofication and i loved sexlab hormones take but it didn't have functioning followers and immersive other cursed npcs around too interact with so this just by it's description alone has the edge for me. 

 

That's pretty much what I thought when I made it! I was using use in-game stuff and Hormones to roleplay a bimbofied follower, and then I thought, why not do this properly? And it grew from there.

Edited February 9, 2023 by jib_buttkiss

[MysticDaedra]

I use 3BA, which is based on CBBE, so most morphs work fine for me. However, for the sake of discussion, would there be a way to have community input on morphs, or is it really just coded into the script directly? I was thinking a json or something where we could specify morphs or something. Alternatively, allow for SLIF usage?

 

Every time I see you post @jib_buttkiss I get irrationally excited that there might have been an update lol

[NicoleDragoness]

27 minutes ago, jib_buttkiss said:

Well, I'm glad you're enjoy the parts that you are!

 

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Your kind and really exhaustive answer is exactly what I was searching for.

 

You should be right about Lydia, I need to check again the next gameplay. I was pretty sure to have seen all the messages about her (it took me about two weeks in game) but probably I was wrong.

About the morph I understand now that it doesn't seems so easy to achieve. I was only hoping. Anyway, maybe the BHUMP, even if complex, could be a good start because it already covers a lot of over bodies, mainly the most used by the community like UUNP and similar.

And if you are already working on a cure (not permament curse) it will be a very very good and funny mod, a little more than it already is.

Thank you, again.

[NicoleDragoness]

36 minutes ago, jib_buttkiss said:

5-Well, you need to journey around for the quests to really give things time to sink in... Wouldn't be much fun if Lyvelia cursed you but the cure was just 5 minutes up the road, would it?

But actually, a few of the quests are radiant like Skyrim's default fetch quests, so it's on our Lord Todd Howard if you get send across the world for those ones.

 

? As I already said, my #5 point was only a bit ironic. And as I said, Skyrim itself is an endless go and return everywhere just in vanilla.

[jib_buttkiss]

51 minutes ago, MysticDaedra said:

I use 3BA, which is based on CBBE, so most morphs work fine for me. However, for the sake of discussion, would there be a way to have community input on morphs, or is it really just coded into the script directly? I was thinking a json or something where we could specify morphs or something. Alternatively, allow for SLIF usage?

 

The issue is that UNP (which I think most non-CBBE bodies are based off) uses different nodes and node names to CBBE. Nodes are (mostly) addressed in two places:

-the script where morphs are applied (CC_bimboMorphHandler, for the interested)

-the MCM where the sizes of these morphs are controllable (each morph has an associated global that is set with the slider in the MCM)

 

Someone with only a little coding know-how could easily edit CC_bimboMorphHandler to apply morphs to UNP nodes instead. But making the sizes customisable would require editing the MCM script and the globals, and that edit would get broken every time I update the mod (because I edit that script, to add new MCM options).

So someone keen could redo the morphs to UNP, but you'd be stuck with the sizes they choose when they make the script edit.

 

  

51 minutes ago, MysticDaedra said:

Every time I see you post @jib_buttkiss I get irrationally excited that there might have been an update lol

 

Annoyingly, I've gotten unexpectedly busy at the moment, so any update might be a while away yet...

Edited February 9, 2023 by jib_buttkiss

[foreveraloneguy]

7 hours ago, NicoleDragoness said:

CONS:

1. No return from the Bimbo conditions is really a negative thing. I hope, at least, for an option to do a long, difficult and full of "rewarding sex" quest to cure the curse.

2. Morphs only for CBBE is negative too. My wonderful ASDASDF-BHUMP bodies (a slight lite version of the full BHUMP) deserves the changes.

   (At least I can count on ABBA).

You can turn off the curse. Otherwise, the curse is a FAFO kind of thing. Before it's permanent, you can talk to a priestess to get a cure. But once it's done, it's done.

LE BHUNP and CBBE use the exact same morph names for those that are part of this mod as well as the same reversed sliders. The mod works with both.

[Balgin]

52 minutes ago, jib_buttkiss said:

Annoyingly, I've gotten unexpectedly busy at the moment, so any update might be a while away yet...

In which case should any aspiring bimbos avoid reading their good girl rules too many times to wait for an update or will the update recognise already bimboified girls as well as ones who trigger that step too far a whole new time?

 

I've currently got a "not so vigilant of Stendarr" who's starting to lapse and who took Erdi up on her desire for a life of adventure and is currently dragging the queen's handmaiden through all manner of unpleasant encounters. The girls recently were overpowered and taken advantage of by some rather nasty necromancers so our little Stendarr worshipper went and got herself YPS Infibulated (because the note said it would protect her from unwanted advances). Both the girls were going to do it before they knew what it was for their own protection but afterwards Erdi suddenly went off the idea (and Aline Lylvieve (yes, I realise the importance of that sirname and there is a family resemblance) decided she wouldn't want to subject anyone else to the procedure. I have been able to rationalise the suppression of desire element as a reason for her to put off reading the good girl rules one last time for a little while, while we all wait for the mod update.

 

By the way, are you going to fix the Taproot exploit in the next update? For some reason Arcadia in Whiterun (and possibly other alchemists) will let you pretend you've already got 3 taproots when you only have 2. This might be because she's literally got one sitting right there on the counter. I'm not certain. Also, if she botches the potion you get to keep the taproots and literally try again straight away. She might also not use them if she succeeded either. That's probably worth looking into in case it's not a mod conflict.

Edited February 9, 2023 by Balgin

[jib_buttkiss]

38 minutes ago, foreveraloneguy said:

LE BHUNP and CBBE use the exact same morph names for those that are part of this mod as well as the same reversed sliders. The mod works with both.

 

Well, that shows just how little I know about other body types. So the morphs do get applied to UNP bodies? Huh. Is there a difference in SE UNP bodies maybe?

 

Well, anyway, like I said: for my sanity, I'm ignoring anything not CBBE. If it works on other bodies, cool, wahoo. If not, that's a shame, oh well.

 

  

14 minutes ago, Balgin said:

In which case should any aspiring bimbos avoid reading their good girl rules too many times to wait for an update or will the update recognise already bimboified girls as well as ones who trigger that step too far a whole new time?

 

I'm not planning any major changes to the player bimbo curse, so it should be fine. But I'll add a debug step like last time for any new systems that might fail to start on an update. 

 

Followers mid-bimbofication might miss out on some new NPC curse features, but that's mostly a backend change anyway- the curse will be coded differently but behave almost the same. (and even if you updated with a current bimbo follower, it wouldn't cause any problems as the old version will still be present in the mod for backwards compatibility reasons.)

Edited February 9, 2023 by jib_buttkiss

[Saviorsrd]

On 2/6/2023 at 7:11 PM, jib_buttkiss said:

I probably won't add anything significant for a cured Lyvelia- because I imagine most people would never see it! Any concepts I wanted to use post-quest Lyvelia for, I'd probably use a new character for instead, just to avoid gating it behind a certain ending.

 

I do have one idea for a cured Lyvelia - not a full on quest or anything, but something to 'incentivize' curing her. 

 

Spoiler

A short time after completing her quest, if you approach her again she asks if you're willing to help out with her experiments again.  If you say yes, she whips out a pretty pink gem. and you have three options.

 

Look away quickly - Slutmark appears for 24 hours.

Look away after a few moments - Slutmark appears for one week.

Stare at the gem - A little extra soothing dialogue from Lyvelia and the slutmark appears permanently.

 

EDIT:  Also, a second thought - would it be possible to have regular Bimbo thoughts (as in, from full Bimbofication) running while Slutmarked?

Edited February 9, 2023 by Saviorsrd
Extra idea.

[Code Serpent]

On 2/6/2023 at 5:11 PM, jib_buttkiss said:

Hey, if anyone's gonna a find a way to fuck a boat, it's a bimbo! But yeah maybe I missed an isObject condition in that dialogue option (or maybe the Dev Aveza isn't tagged as an object- in which case, it's not on me.)

You should probably add a 'HasKeyword ActorTypeNPC' condition to the dialogue. That might fix it.

[Balgin]

2 hours ago, jib_buttkiss said:

Followers mid-bimbofication might miss out on some new NPC curse features, but that's mostly a backend change anyway- the curse will be coded differently but behave almost the same. (and even if you updated with a current bimbo follower, it wouldn't cause any problems as the old version will still be present in the mod for backwards compatibility reasons.)

Well the girls did get this nice note from the jarl of Falkreath inviting them to pay him a visit. If they explore the old ruined fortress nearby they'll probably discover a certain book that you placed there which Erdi might start reading. She's probably been peeking at that note her new mistress thought was so special while Aline's been sleeping and the chance to voraciously devour the entire contents of a book's worth of (whatever the opposite of) knowledge is could just be too tempting. Also putting Aline's corruption on hold is a nice opportunity to have Erdi go through it first less as a warning of things to come but more as a possible instigator - Erdi might playfully help Aline with some of her changes once she's got rid of those nasty infibulation rings.

 

Erdi hasn't read anything yet but it helps to know what to avoid before the update and the girls have no particular reason to explore the fort just yet.

 

Perhaps add a new conversation option to "hey you, little Bimbo..."

Bimbo: (standard response)

Player: Haven't you forgotten something?

(super secret back end hidden script quickly checks to see if the Bimbo is missing any bimbo features not covered by conversation options to do with hair or heels and applies anything that's missing)

Bimbo: Oh yeah. Silly me (giggles).

 

Job done.

Well, apart from writing the script, that is. I imagine it would probably need updating too as new features were added but having the mod event always call the same script might be simpler than re-writing the mod event every single time (although the re-application of missing features might need to be part of the event itself instead of the script so what do I know?).

Edited February 9, 2023 by Balgin

[Balgin]

2 hours ago, Saviorsrd said:

 

I do have one idea for a cured Lyvelia - not a full on quest or anything, but something to 'incentivize' curing her. 

 

  Hide contents

A short time after completing her quest, if you approach her again she asks if you're willing to help out with her experiments again.  If you say yes, she whips out a pretty pink gem. and you have three options.

 

Look away quickly - Slutmark appears for 24 hours.

Look away after a few moments - Slutmark appears for one week.

Stare at the gem - A little extra soothing dialogue from Lyvelia and the slutmark appears permanently.

 

EDIT:  Also, a second thought - would it be possible to have regular Bimbo thoughts (as in, from full Bimbofication) running while Slutmarked?

That's actually quite a fun little idea. A cured Lyvelia might also be interested in helping research the Bimbo Suppression potion/medicine whereas a Bimbo Lyvvi might be clueless and demand the player go and find someone else to help them with their problem instead.

 

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"Like, why would I want to do that?" said Livvy twirling her hair around her fingers. "This is like, fun and totally super awesome. Why would I want a way to not be me? You like this, right? Of course you do. Everyone does. Why would you want to go back to the old boring you with, like, words and numbers and thinking and stuff. That sounds totally boring. Lame. That's what I call it. Why don't you find some lame old boring wizard and ask him to do it? But don't forget to ask if I can suck his cock first. Actually, you'd better, like, totally suck it first just to make sure it's good enough," she emitted a silly giggle and looked at me playfully, once again toying with her hair.

 

Suddenly I didn't feel like finding some boring lame old wizard person. That sounds like totally not fun when I could be, like, doing something much more enter- enter- what was it again? Big word. Anyway, that's enough silly big words. Something totally more fun with these lushious tits and massive knockers that Dibella totally graced me with, about five days ago. Or was it minutes? I can't remember. Anyway numbers are for nerds - like wizard people. They understand numbers so I don't have to. Yay! Now let's go find a dick to sit on! Wheeeee!

 And so it goes on but our little bimbo who failed to cure Lyvvi might eventually want to go look up that boring wizard person (who might not actually be that boring and would probably want to get something out of it first. Even if it is a boring radiant traipse around the countryside looking for alche- "plants! They're like, totally called plants. I know this one," said the bimbo pointing at the nearest piece of greenery, "it's a plant, right?" The Dragonborn sighed and knealt down to check. "plants" said a smug satisfied voice behind him with the tone of one who doesn't particularly care about the answer and is only really interested in having got the question out of the way so they don't have to think about it any more.

[Efgad]

1 hour ago, Balgin said:

Well the girls did get this nice note from the jarl of Falkreath inviting them to pay him a visit. If they explore the old ruined fortress nearby they'll probably discover a certain book that you placed there which Erdi might start reading. She's probably been peeking at that note her new mistress thought was so special while Aline's been sleeping and the chance to voraciously devour the entire contents of a book's worth of (whatever the opposite of) knowledge is could just be too tempting. Also putting Aline's corruption on hold is a nice opportunity to have Erdi go through it first less as a warning of things to come but more as a possible instigator - Erdi might playfully help Aline with some of her changes once she's got rid of those nasty infibulation rings.

 

Erdi hasn't read anything yet but it helps to know what to avoid before the update and the girls have no particular reason to explore the fort just yet.

 

Perhaps add a new conversation option to "hey you, little Bimbo..."

Bimbo: (standard response)

Player: Haven't you forgotten something?

(super secret back end hidden script quickly checks to see if the Bimbo is missing any bimbo features not covered by conversation options to do with hair or heels and applies anything that's missing)

Bimbo: Oh yeah. Silly me (giggles).

 

Job done.

Well, apart from writing the script, that is. I imagine it would probably need updating too as new features were added but having the mod event always call the same script might be simpler than re-writing the mod event every single time (although the re-application of missing features might need to be part of the event itself instead of the script so what do I know?).

 

Fortress? Erdi? Book?! Did I miss an interesting little quest line?

[Wut1969]

4 hours ago, jib_buttkiss said:

 

Well, that shows just how little I know about other body types. So the morphs do get applied to UNP bodies? Huh. Is there a difference in SE UNP bodies maybe

I know even less about different body types, but one of the sliders (waist or hips, I forgot which) is a reverse one for the Cosio (CBBE-ish) one I use. So even in the most commonly used LE world there are already anomalies. AFAIK the SE world is much more diverse and unless one has access to a certain exotic body type it is almost impossible to make sure it'll work as expected.

My 2 cents are that by providing the sliders, you are already doing as much as you can to make the mod as accesible as possible.

 

I sometimes read stories on notalwaysright.com and there is no way you can cater for all the entitled Karens (m/f/whatever) in the world. It's like trying to make something foolproof and the world countering with an improved fool. The same goes for entitledness. You just  can't win.

[belegost]

6 hours ago, jib_buttkiss said:

It sometimes prevents changing a bimbo's hair. I'm not currently sure what causes it exactly (because I haven't looked yet) but you can usually get around it by either giving her a helmet or taking one away before trying to change her hair.

 

I found out that if using NFF and having option "equip headgear only in combat" turned on, they will not have bimbo hair,  because that's actually a head piece. So it needs to be toggled off after they get to the stage where they change their hair.

[belegost]

57 minutes ago, Wut1969 said:

AFAIK the SE world is much more diverse

Not really. BHUNP is basically glorified UNP. 3BA is glorified CBBE. That's it. Broadly speaking, any presets, sliders or morphs that work with either basic type will work with the more advanced types, though without all the bells and whistles.

 

There's also TBD but nobody uses it really.

Edited February 9, 2023 by belegost

[Balgin]

3 hours ago, Efgad said:

 

Fortress? Erdi? Book?! Did I miss an interesting little quest line?

The book you can use to turn followers into Bimbos. There's a copy in the dungeon just off the road near Falkreath. If you don't want to spawn it using the console (or a popular item spawning mod) you can go there and find it organically.

Edited February 9, 2023 by Balgin

[belegost]

6 minutes ago, Balgin said:

There's a copy in the dungeon just off the road near Falkreath

 

Seems like RNG. The only reliable source of getting it that I know of, is asking Urag at the College.

Edited February 9, 2023 by belegost

[Balgin]

25 minutes ago, Balgin said:

The book you can use to turn followers into Bimbos. There's a copy in the dungeon just off the road near Falkreath. If you don't want to spawn it using the console (or a popular item spawning mod) you can go there and find it organically.

Ah, no. It's the Scroll of Giggles from Hormones that's in Cracked Tusk Keep. The Journey of a Bimbo Babe isn't there. I got confused over the two. I haven't been there in a while so I just loaded up the game to check.

[jib_buttkiss]

9 hours ago, Balgin said:

By the way, are you going to fix the Taproot exploit in the next update?

 

Well I am now that I know about it!

 

9 hours ago, Saviorsrd said:

 

I do have one idea for a cured Lyvelia - not a full on quest or anything, but something to 'incentivize' curing her. 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

A short time after completing her quest, if you approach her again she asks if you're willing to help out with her experiments again.  If you say yes, she whips out a pretty pink gem. and you have three options.

 

Look away quickly - Slutmark appears for 24 hours.

Look away after a few moments - Slutmark appears for one week.

Stare at the gem - A little extra soothing dialogue from Lyvelia and the slutmark appears permanently.

 

EDIT:  Also, a second thought - would it be possible to have regular Bimbo thoughts (as in, from full Bimbofication) running while Slutmarked?

 

I might do a little something with Lyvelia after she's cured. Maybe. As for playing bimbo thoughts while Slutmarked, I'll have to check. I can't quite remember how I coded the interface for them.

 

 

8 hours ago, Code Serpent said:

You should probably add a 'HasKeyword ActorTypeNPC' condition to the dialogue. That might fix it.

Yeah, that's the one. Thanks.

 

5 hours ago, Efgad said:

 

Fortress? Erdi? Book?! Did I miss an interesting little quest line?

No, you haven't missed anything! Belegost Balgin (my bad) is telling his RP story for his playthrough. I'll probably avoid using vanilla NPCs as much as I can anyway, for compatibility reasons.

 

1 hour ago, belegost said:

 

Seems like RNG. The only reliable source of getting it that I know of, is asking Urag at the College.

Oh, I think Balgin is talking about he SL Hormones book? That one spawns somewhere like htat, but it doesn't have anything to do with this mod's bimbo curse. Because yeah, this mod's book is only at Urag.

Edited February 9, 2023 by jib_buttkiss
it was Balgin not Belegost

[Balgin]

15 minutes ago, jib_buttkiss said:

Oh, I think Balgin is talking about he SL Hormones book? That one spawns somewhere like htat, but it doesn't have anything to do with this mod's bimbo curse. Because yeah, this mod's book is only at Urag.

Yeah. I corrected that already. I'm not sure if Belegost was sharing a story. I was sharing a little of Aline & Erdi's story so far to demonstrate the point they've reached where I wasn't sure if I should put off certain activities 'til after the update or not.

 

I also shared a few short humorous in character excerpts to indicate how a couple of mod tweaks might enhance a future version of the mod (but not the somewhat imminent update as that would only delay things further).

 

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"Like, why would I want to do that?" said Livvy twirling her hair around her fingers. "This is like, fun and totally super awesome. Why would I want a way to not be me? You like this, right? Of course you do. Everyone does. Why would you want to go back to the old boring you with, like, words and numbers and thinking and stuff. That sounds totally boring. Lame. That's what I call it. Why don't you find some lame old boring wizard and ask him to do it? But don't forget to ask if I can suck his cock first. Actually, you'd better, like, totally suck it first just to make sure it's good enough," she emitted a silly giggle and looked at me playfully, once again toying with her hair.

 

Suddenly I didn't feel like finding some boring lame old wizard person. That sounds like totally not fun when I could be, like, doing something much more enter- enter- what was it again? Big word. Anyway, that's enough silly big words. Something totally more fun with these lushious tits and massive knockers that Dibella totally graced me with, about five days ago. Or was it minutes? I can't remember. Anyway numbers are for nerds - like wizard people. They understand numbers so I don't have to. Yay! Now let's go find a dick to sit on! Wheeeee!

 

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And so it goes on but our little bimbo who failed to cure Lyvvi might eventually want to go look up that boring wizard person (who might not actually be that boring and would probably want to get something out of it first. Even if it is a boring radiant traipse around the countryside looking for alche- "plants! They're like, totally called plants. I know this one," said the bimbo pointing at the nearest piece of greenery, "it's a plant, right?" The Dragonborn sighed and knelt down to check. "Plants" said a smug satisfied voice behind him with the tone of one who doesn't particularly care about the answer and is only really interested in having got the question out of the way so they don't have to think about it any more.

 

[CornyRabbit696]

If I want to play this on SE where I use 3BA, will I need to build racemenu morphs for it to work ?

[Efgad]

Ah, see, I was wondering. Because the only book I could remember from a keep was the one from Hormones.  And even that was just a scroll. Haha!

Edited February 10, 2023 by Efgad

[belegost]

5 hours ago, CornyRabbit696 said:

If I want to play this on SE where I use 3BA, will I need to build racemenu morphs for it to work ?

 

Morphs are built with Bodyslide. RM has nothing to do with it. And Bimbos doesn't have any buildable outfits. If you already have a working 3BA setup, there's nothing else you need to do.

 

"It just works" (tm).

Edited February 10, 2023 by belegost

[CornyRabbit696]

6 hours ago, belegost said:

 

Morphs are built with Bodyslide. RM has nothing to do with it. And Bimbos doesn't have any buildable outfits. If you already have a working 3BA setup, there's nothing else you need to do.

 

"It just works" (tm).

well i installed it, changed the mcm settings labelled inverse, and nothing changed as curse progressed