coolbones Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, shencereys said: I'm not sure if my experience is sufficient to help but I'll give a try. First you need to make sure your followers are ACTUAL followers as far as defeat is concerned, and registered as such (EFFF for example will show their name on the pane on the left by default. that's how I check easily. I'm sure there's other ways like CK but EFFF is easy) random NPCs that follow you or "follower mod" npcs that don't use whatever script Defeat is detecting don't count. They won't have the bleedout debuff applied to them because defeat doesn't think they're a follower. They may stand around waiting or be in a bleedout state but recover early. When in doubt, any npc following you should be recruited in EFFF and you can bet defeat will now be able to handle them (unless you've messed up one of the billion other combinations of filters that would make an encounter ignore them). Also this issue can be caused by combining with DeathAlternative. Defeat will see you're down but it doesn't always interact with followers correctly and apply the nerfs to their health regen - so they finish bleedout early. I don't have any idea why. I stopped using DeathAlternative altogether for partially that reason, and when I did my defeat headaches decreased noticably (but not completely because defeat is a fickle mistress). Another possible DA problem - Using death alternative combined with "disable player victim" option in Defeat can lead to an issue where no defeat action is happening after everyone is down. This is because under normal circumstances followers aren't handled at all unless defeat is handling you. If you are not a nominally eligible victim, your followers won't even be checked (except in the event that you were never in the combat and not seen by the AI). Next, if you're a character who can't be assaulted because of FILTERS (rather than "disable player victim") with followers who can, (intentional or not) the assaults don't work the way you would expect. Defeat just doesn't work great if you're, say, a male character who you've filtered out the possibility of getting assaulted, with female followers who you have not. That's basically never going to work quite right in my experience, just due to the order in which defeat checks for next steps. Defeat works best in a party of same-sex characters. Next make sure you're using the "original" down method - it just causes the least headaches. This should (mostly) always put them in a bleedout state with no health regen UNLESS they happened to be in a transition state (getting up, or about to) the moment you went down. Last though I'm going to go a different route and just say that should all else fail, you should just set your followers' health low so they can be re-downed quickly and don't ruin your scene, maybe also set their attackdamagemult to - 0.95 so they're not likely to cause problems if they DO get up early, and if you're really feeling like stopping them from being a pain, modav their mana down to just above zero so they can't cast spells. So at least if they get out of control they don't kill something in the middle of an animation, end your scene, or do who knows what else. Hi shencereys, thank you for your reply. Yes, they are actual followers (tried it with Mjoll and Lydia). Confirmed that they are followers in EFF. I'm not using death alternative since it wasn't recommended by the creator of Defeat. I also have a female character. Extending the bleedout helped with the occasional issue of them getting up just as I was going down, making it disappear entirely. That's a good thought, lowering their health, that could work in a group. but if there's only one enemy and they're busy with the dragonborn they still interrupt. Plus if it's in a group defeat will work normally as an enemy will assault them, after which they will lie in trauma and not get up until everything is over, or get assaulted again. The issue really only arises if there's only a single enemy, or multiple enemies who ignore the follower (although they usually don't).
coolbones Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 I guess while I'm at it I might as well post my load order. I've been uninstalling one mod at a time and trying again in controlled conditions with no success. I'd have Lydia for a follower, spawn a troll, get downed and see what happened. Every single time Lydia would stay down as long as combat continued, but as soon as I got downed and the combat music faded, she would get up and walk around. After a few seconds she would witness the assault and attack. If there are 2-3 enemies one of them would usually go for her, making the mod work normally. 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Return the Slab Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 So, this might sound kind of dumb, but I'm honestly still new to the whole "modding" scene; however, this one has caught my interest, but...well, I tried installing it twice, as well as all the requirements (and the requirements of the requirements), and you can probably guess that I failed both times. I'm not sure if a walkthrough would be too much to ask for, but that's certainly what I'd like: not just for running this mod, but for properly implementing all the other mods that it needs in order to function as well. I haven't really been able to find any video walkthrough of how to properly implement it yet, and I'm unsure if anyone would really want to go through the effort of typing out a full step-by-step tutorial of what to do and what to download, but something along the lines of either of these would be highly appreciated.
Hex Bolt Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Return the Slab said: I'm honestly still new to the whole "modding" scene This Getting Started information is old, but it might help you get the basics installed. Welcome to LoversLab. 2
Return the Slab Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Thank you very much! I'll see what I can do.
viterra Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 I'm have a bug with any version, where a function UpdateCreatureFilter. Defeat down to infinity loop... [04/14/2020 - 04:08:14PM] Error: Array index 33554532 is out of range (0-127) stack: [DefeatRessourcesQst (B004B8D1)].defeatconfig.UpdateCreatureFilter() - "defeatconfig.psc" Line ? [DefeatRessourcesQst (B004B8D1)].defeatconfig.Install() - "defeatconfig.psc" Line ? [DefeatMCMQst (B006D3D4)].defeatmcmscr.OnOptionSelect() - "defeatmcmscr.psc" Line ? [DefeatMCMQst (B006D3D4)].defeatmcmscr.SelectOption() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line ? [SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (39000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnOptionSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line ? [04/14/2020 - 04:08:14PM] Error: Array index 33554531 is out of range (0-127) stack: [DefeatRessourcesQst (B004B8D1)].defeatconfig.UpdateCreatureFilter() - "defeatconfig.psc" Line ? [DefeatRessourcesQst (B004B8D1)].defeatconfig.Install() - "defeatconfig.psc" Line ? [DefeatMCMQst (B006D3D4)].defeatmcmscr.OnOptionSelect() - "defeatmcmscr.psc" Line ? [DefeatMCMQst (B006D3D4)].defeatmcmscr.SelectOption() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line ? [SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (39000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnOptionSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line ? [04/14/2020 - 04:08:14PM] Error: Array index 33554530 is out of range (0-127) stack: [DefeatRessourcesQst (B004B8D1)].defeatconfig.UpdateCreatureFilter() - "defeatconfig.psc" Line ? [DefeatRessourcesQst (B004B8D1)].defeatconfig.Install() - "defeatconfig.psc" Line ? [DefeatMCMQst (B006D3D4)].defeatmcmscr.OnOptionSelect() - "defeatmcmscr.psc" Line ? [DefeatMCMQst (B006D3D4)].defeatmcmscr.SelectOption() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line ? [SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (39000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnOptionSelect() - "SKI_ConfigManager.psc" Line ?
shencereys Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 4:22 AM, coolbones said: I guess while I'm at it I might as well post my load order. I've been uninstalling one mod at a time and trying again in controlled conditions with no success. I'd have Lydia for a follower, spawn a troll, get downed and see what happened. Every single time Lydia would stay down as long as combat continued, but as soon as I got downed and the combat music faded, she would get up and walk around. After a few seconds she would witness the assault and attack. If there are 2-3 enemies one of them would usually go for her, making the mod work normally. The issue would only arise when the follower would be left alone before the start of the scene. 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Underwear.esp 149 95 Sunstarved_Tanlines.esp 150 96 SOSRaceMenu.esp 151 97 CharacterMakingExtender.esp 152 98 RaceMenu.esp 153 99 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 154 9a DeviousToys.esp 155 9b Immersive Horses.esp 156 9c Craftable Horse Barding.esp 157 9d Atlas Map Markers.esp 158 9e LABikiniLight.esp 159 9f LABikiniHeavy.esp 160 a0 mihailzombies.esp 161 a1 TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp 162 a2 TAWoBA_Rebalance.esp 163 a3 Immersive Weapons.esp 164 a4 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 165 a5 aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp 166 a6 UniqueWeaponsRedone.esp 167 a7 Morning Fogs.esp 168 a8 SexLab Pheromones.esp 169 a9 SOS - Shop.esp 170 aa DeviantKaleds_Nord_Ship_Replacers_DawnguardPatch_1.0.esp 171 ab RiftenMural.esp 172 ac Deviously Enslaved.esp 173 ad EmbersHD.esp 174 ae Atlas Dawnguard.esp 175 af Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 176 b0 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp 177 b1 SignTown_by_YURIL_1o5.esp 178 b2 Atlas Blackreach.esp 179 b3 Immersive Music Temples.esp 180 b4 Immersive Music.esp 181 b5 Atlas Dragonborn.esp 182 b6 Skyland Imperial Forts and Dungeons.esp 183 b7 RohZima_AnimObjects.esp 184 b8 Atlas Hearthfire.esp 185 b9 PAN_NPCs.esp 186 ba Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp 187 bb FireBurns.esp 188 bc RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp 189 bd The Ordinary Women.esp 190 be Bijin AIO.esp 191 bf Bijin Wives.esp 192 c0 Bijin NPCs.esp 193 c1 SBF All In One + DLC.esp 194 c2 Bijin Warmaidens.esp 195 c3 Immersive Horses - Hearthfire Patch.esp 196 c4 Devious Devices - Equip.esp 197 c5 FNISspells.esp 198 c6 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 199 c7 Illustrious HDT Cloaks.esp 200 c8 ZMDs Feet Nail Art for RaceMenu v1.esp 201 c9 SkyHUD.esp Babette.esp 202 ca UIExtensions.esp 203 cb EFFDialogue.esp 204 cc Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp 205 cd SexLabDefeat.esp 206 ce mslDeviousCaptures.esp 207 cf AddItemMenuLE.esp 208 d0 Obedient bleed out.esp XPMSE.esp 209 d1 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 210 d2 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp 211 d3 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 212 d4 Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp 213 d5 FarmhouseChimneysLAL.esp 214 d6 Bashed Patch, 0.esp 215 d7 DynDOLOD.esp I ran into this issue from time to time as well. I eventually solved it but I can't remember exactly what I did - I think I set the post-assault debuff time to maximum on NPC and follower. Also is lydia using any enchanted equipment or do you have any mods that might globally affect followers? I didn't see any there in your load order that I recognized, but I also saw a bashed patch. Anything adding health regen can potentially screw up defeat's handling of followers in my experience. And just to test that it's not a flaw in yours settings, try on my attached defeat config. It is working for me on my Female character + lydia right now. If this does not fix the issue we can safely say that the problem lies with some other mod or equips DefeatConfig.json
ghosstt Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 So uhm... I was wondering if someone could help me, Ive tried installing defeat several times, but now it will crash on MCM when i try to modify any of the settings... The rest of mods dependind on Sexlab work, or so I think... iIve tried to make a correct load order and such, and (I THINK) ive got every required mod
Panundrum Posted April 18, 2020 Posted April 18, 2020 Rape with the Player option when using a follower gives a proceed option pop up, then Nothing happens they both just stand there, you can walk off etc as if nothing happened. I cant seem to get it to work properly.
coolbones Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 On 4/16/2020 at 6:25 AM, shencereys said: I ran into this issue from time to time as well. I eventually solved it but I can't remember exactly what I did - I think I set the post-assault debuff time to maximum on NPC and follower. Also is lydia using any enchanted equipment or do you have any mods that might globally affect followers? I didn't see any there in your load order that I recognized, but I also saw a bashed patch. Anything adding health regen can potentially screw up defeat's handling of followers in my experience. And just to test that it's not a flaw in yours settings, try on my attached defeat config. It is working for me on my Female character + lydia right now. If this does not fix the issue we can safely say that the problem lies with some other mod or equips DefeatConfig.json 9.54 kB · 5 downloads FIXED IT!! Thanks for the help, you are a philosopher and a pimp. You too HexBolt8. You guys are life savers. The settings didn't do anything but speaking of bashed patch and handling of followers made me look deeper into mods I didn't think would be changing anything. I installed one months ago that I thought was insignificant, "No weapon draw", a mod that makes it so that followers don't draw their weapon when you do outside of combat. Tried uninstalling it and sure enough the troll went for Lydia for the first time ever when we were both down. Lydia would still get up if my character got assaulted first so I tried another one that seemed suspicious. "wildcat combat". After disabling this one the mod worked as intended. Lydia would stay down for at least over a minute. I set the bleedout in the defeat menu at 300 seconds so I assume it was for that long. Reload and tried 3 times in a row just to be sure and it worked with no problem. I have no idea exactly why but no weapon draw and wildcat combat are incompatible with defeat. Even though it's not mentioned in the mods description, it looks like no weapon draw affects the followers attitude to combat, and wildcat combat affects followers bleedout recovery outside of combat.
cazzaren Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 So I have been running into this issue for some time now, from LE to SE, when I use EFF I can't highlight any followers, I can only target mark them to be raped. I have been trying to clean and rebuild my list but it seems to never work, I love eff but if I have to switch then by all means it's just irritating it never works
cazzaren Posted April 19, 2020 Posted April 19, 2020 Whoopsies I just realized it's only with the controller, for some reason the modifier key doesn't work with gamepad buttons ? but the main mark does. Any work around? I may try x input or something like a macro to a button possibly?
stampede02 Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 beginner here... is there an animation that can add to trauma/after rape scene?
深淵の神 Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, stampede02 said: beginner here... is there an animation that can add to trauma/after rape scene? As far as I remember Defeat and all it's requirements provides that kind of animation after a rape scene, you can control timelapse for that state in the MCM as well 1
WCSC Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 3 hours ago, サマエル said: As far as I remember Defeat and all it's requirements provides that kind of animation after a rape scene, you can control timelapse for that state in the MCM as well That Utility+ or UtilityOne mod can do that
frhghz Posted April 21, 2020 Posted April 21, 2020 Short question, it is possible to add other ingame races to surrender to??? I scratch my head over the fact, that my char can surrender to chicken but not to dragon priests or even ice atronachs.
Kingmerik Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 Hey everyone, I have a small issue with the mod. If try to peramnetly tie an npc they immediately sprawl out on the floor and chains drag them all around town, to no specific location i have noticed. Any idea what might be causing this?
WCSC Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 On 4/21/2020 at 8:16 AM, frhghz said: Short question, it is possible to add other ingame races to surrender to??? I scratch my head over the fact, that my char can surrender to chicken but not to dragon priests or even ice atronachs. Do you have the animations of those monsters installed or activated? Also maybe hit re-load in the creature framework
frhghz Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 On 4/23/2020 at 4:44 AM, WCSC said: Do you have the animations of those monsters installed or activated? Also maybe hit re-load in the creature framework jup, installed and activated (e.g. Billyy). Also reloaded in CF, but the list of surrenderable races didn't change.
SacredDatura Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 On 4/21/2020 at 11:16 PM, frhghz said: I scratch my head over the fact, that my char can surrender to chicken but not to dragon priests or even ice atronachs. That is hilarious. Are there actually chicken rape animations?
WCSC Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 3 hours ago, frhghz said: jup, installed and activated (e.g. Billyy). Also reloaded in CF, but the list of surrenderable races didn't change. Maybe silly to ask, but......those animations are active in SexLab MCM Toggle ANimations? And Allow Creature animations is selected?
User1234612 Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 I can surrender to nearly every creature, but for some reason dragons and spiders just give me the "You can't surrender to this creature" notification when I attempt to surrender to them. Is there any way to fix this?
Hex Bolt Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, User1234612 said: for some reason dragons and spiders just give me the "You can't surrender to this creature" notification when I attempt to surrender to them. You might lack the animations for them. I can surrender with Defeat to Frostbite spiders but the only animation choices are two from Billyy animations.
frhghz Posted April 25, 2020 Posted April 25, 2020 On 4/24/2020 at 7:59 PM, WCSC said: Maybe silly to ask, but......those animations are active in SexLab MCM Toggle ANimations? And Allow Creature animations is selected? Yes to both.
User1234612 Posted April 26, 2020 Posted April 26, 2020 On 4/25/2020 at 2:07 AM, HexBolt8 said: You might lack the animations for them. I can surrender with Defeat to Frostbite spiders but the only animation choices are two from Billyy animations. I tried out Billyy's animations, and surrendering to Frostbite Spiders worked. Thanks for the help! I still can't seem to surrender to dragons though, and I remember them working fine around late 2019. Any ideas on what might be causing the problem? I think them flying could be the issue, but I'm not sure.
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