Realism vs. Cool: Blog criticizes "Boob Plate Armor"

[Astaroth-Lite]

What really gets me is that they are comparing fantasy game armor to real armor, and btw who the hell cares if armor has tit bits or not, it's a bloody game and it isn't going to work the same as real armor physics or not. If you don't like a bloody armor that has tit cups, then don't use it, pass it by for something you do like or better yet, make your own. The same old argument goes round and round every time someone gets a thorn up there ass about a freaking video game having something THEY don't like or just want to piss about.

In my game I have NO LORE. I like seeing tits bounce and don't give a rats fanny about this plate or that, the less of it the better

I can suspend my disbelief when it comes to things like manticores, goblins, and dragons; the world is a varied place with all kinds of creatures in it as it is. I can suspend my disbelief in magic since unexplained phenomena are all part of mythical tales and legends. I cannot, however, suspend my disbelief that an arrow will not go right through someone's neck if there's absolutely nothing in the way of it. That's the bottom line here; it has nothing to do with how things work in the real world, it has everything to do with established rules within fiction.

[formel]

 

 

 

 

 

Watch this. Really, watch it.

 

Yes plate was so light that battle of Agincour went so good for heavy armoured French knights vs English light infantry, and actualy plate by that time was a much lighter than in previous periods.

 

 

Even the best armor dosen't protect you from poor tactical decisions and sheer arrogance

 

 

isolated case

 

An isolated case that has influenced a basic character archetype and has more or less started and shaped the entire fantasy genre?

 

When you hiting on the shortstories then it is hard to tell. Conan was alomost everything from thief to king. Yes there are stories were he only wore loincloth but in the most of them he wore some kind of armor that fits into the storie especially when he was engaged in a battle.

[Nonsense667]

I'll worry about this argument when the originators of it have enough money to buy an original Luis Royo and are willing to burn it publicly to demonstrate their conviction on the matter.

 

I'll also worry about this argument when the female fashion industry goes under because nobodies buying cute dresses and bad girl heels any more.

 

So...I guess that means I'm never going to have to worry about it.

 

Simple facts are if a woman is given the option to be both practical and sexy, most women at least in today's society will take that option.

 

Far as what was "realistic" at the Battle of Agincourt and before that, heres what was realistic....really rich men rode around on horses usually at the back of an army, well out of harms way in most cases, in suits of armor more expensive than their entire armies, while peasants and sworn soldiers died for their causes, afterwards, the women, who were not allowed anywhere near a battlefield unless they were whores (funny how that works) would spend several days to a week attempting to identify the mutilated remains of what might have been their husbands or their sons, while helping to clear the field of the dead to avoid an outbreak of pox or plague, and thats just in a "civilized" war. In the uncivilized versions women were raped and killed, their children murdered before their eyes and they were largely treated like property by both sides of the conflict.

 

I'm sure any of those women would have loved to have some boob armor, or any armor at all, or something more effective at deterring a rapist than a iron knife or poker.

 

I'm sure any of those women would think our fantasy boob armor women have it pretty good. Given as at least our fantasy boob armor women have the option to put on the boob armor and fight back.

 

 

I'm trying really hard to think of an intelligent response to this, there is just so much wrong, I can't even begin. 

 

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okay fuck it.

 

I'll worry about this argument when the originators of it have enough money to buy an original Luis Royo and are willing to burn it publicly to demonstrate their conviction on the matter.

 

Really? In order to wish for females to be portrayed in believable armor... I have to want to buy art, and burn it? Why the hell does how much money I have determine whether or not I have a valid opinion? And why the hell would I want to burn his art? Or any art. I may think something is crap, but I'm just going to call it horrible, filthy, disgusting crap. It still has a right to exist. 

 

I'll also worry about this argument when the female fashion industry goes under because nobodies buying cute dresses and bad girl heels any more.

 

The argument isn't "Fashion is a horrible thing. People shouldn't wear things that are made to look attractive." It's "Armor's main purpose isn't to look attractive." Like you pointed out, and others have pointed out, yes, some armor is more expensive, more ornate, less functional. The point still remains.

 

Simple facts are if a woman is given the option to be both practical and sexy, most women at least in today's society will take that option.

 

Simple fact is, people aren't so simple. And are far, far more than just their gender. And seriously, there are different choices made for different reasons. Just because someone likes to be sexy, doesn't mean they'll think "Hmmm, my life is at risk, but I still want something that looks good." Maybe they will. Maybe they wont. But it isn't so damn simple as "Women want to be sexy if they can, ergo chainmail bikinis are the natural state of things."

 

 

 

Far as what was "realistic" at the Battle of Agincourt and before that, heres what was realistic....really rich men rode around on horses usually at the back of an army, well out of harms way in most cases, in suits of armor more expensive than their entire armies, while peasants and sworn soldiers died for their causes, afterwards, the women, who were not allowed anywhere near a battlefield unless they were whores (funny how that works) would spend several days to a week attempting to identify the mutilated remains of what might have been their husbands or their sons, while helping to clear the field of the dead to avoid an outbreak of pox or plague, and thats just in a "civilized" war. In the uncivilized versions women were raped and killed, their children murdered before their eyes and they were largely treated like property by both sides of the conflict.

 

I'm sure any of those women would have loved to have some boob armor, or any armor at all, or something more effective at deterring a rapist than a iron knife or poker.

 

I'm sure any of those women would think our fantasy boob armor women have it pretty good. Given as at least our fantasy boob armor women have the option to put on the boob armor and fight back.

 

That's awesome! I hope you ate your peas tonight, after all, children are starving in Africa. And don't you fuss! After all, at least you aren't a Jew during the holocaust! Point is, the "well you could have it worse" argument is probably the oldest logical fallacy in history. 

[windpl]

I'll worry about this argument when the originators of it have enough money to buy an original Luis Royo and are willing to burn it publicly to demonstrate their conviction on the matter.

 

I'll also worry about this argument when the female fashion industry goes under because nobodies buying cute dresses and bad girl heels any more.

 

So...I guess that means I'm never going to have to worry about it.

 

Simple facts are if a woman is given the option to be both practical and sexy, most women at least in today's society will take that option.

 

Far as what was "realistic" at the Battle of Agincourt and before that, heres what was realistic....really rich men rode around on horses usually at the back of an army, well out of harms way in most cases, in suits of armor more expensive than their entire armies, while peasants and sworn soldiers died for their causes, afterwards, the women, who were not allowed anywhere near a battlefield unless they were whores (funny how that works) would spend several days to a week attempting to identify the mutilated remains of what might have been their husbands or their sons, while helping to clear the field of the dead to avoid an outbreak of pox or plague, and thats just in a "civilized" war. In the uncivilized versions women were raped and killed, their children murdered before their eyes and they were largely treated like property by both sides of the conflict.

 

I'm sure any of those women would have loved to have some boob armor, or any armor at all, or something more effective at deterring a rapist than a iron knife or poker.

 

I'm sure any of those women would think our fantasy boob armor women have it pretty good. Given as at least our fantasy boob armor women have the option to put on the boob armor and fight back.

 

To add to your insight. At battle of

Camp followers attacked Teutonic Knights when they were in full retreat. And those camp followers was from Teutonic camp of course, some research says that then more knights died than on battlefield.

 

There is always another side of the coin.

[Halstrom]

Of course looking good is an important purpose of armor, why else would all the Imperial Stormtropers be dressed in full body plastic that doesn't protect them from Ewoks with coconuts & spears let alone a laser blaster pistol

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98qmflLdOpI

[windpl]

I remember this ;D

They also have awful aim with this blasters.

[Loogie]

My opinion is if you're playing a fantasy game for realism, you're doing it wrong.  This isn't just about the shape of female armor; in games like Skyrim and Oblivion and Fallout characters can swim unimpeded in armor.

 

Really the question to ask about something like this is if it fits into the setting.

[RezTheFatal]

I find it a bit odd that people apparently must have hype realistic detail in armor and clothing in games which feature dragons and talking cat people, some folks take their fun way too seriously.

[Halstrom]

My opinion is if you're playing a fantasy game for realism, you're doing it wrong.  This isn't just about the shape of female armor; in games like Skyrim and Oblivion and Fallout characters can swim unimpeded in armor.

 

Really the question to ask about something like this is if it fits into the setting.

LOL, yeah swimming in Power Armor

[Nonsense667]

My opinion is if you're playing a fantasy game for realism, you're doing it wrong.  This isn't just about the shape of female armor; in games like Skyrim and Oblivion and Fallout characters can swim unimpeded in armor.

 

Really the question to ask about something like this is if it fits into the setting.

 

In my opinion, if you aren't getting into the immersion of a game, letting yourself go into the world around you, you're doing it wrong. Oh wait. A shit ton of people don't do that. They just like goofing off and going up to dinner tables yelling fus-roh-dah and blasting vegetables into peoples faces. If they want to do that, that's fine, fuck. God I grow to hate that word. Realism. People just fucking love to go "LOL IT'S X IT'S NOT REALISTIC LOLOLOLOL" It's about making it fucking believable. Try to wrap your brain around it. And yes, the EXACT question is about whether or not it fits into the setting. The answer, for at least a few of us, is that it doesn't!

 

 

I find it a bit odd that people apparently must have hype realistic detail in armor and clothing in games which feature dragons and talking cat people, some folks take their fun way too seriously.

 

TIL that asking for a scenario to be believable = hyperrealism.

And you take your boob armor too seriously. 

 

 

As for a game it really only comes down to "Looks" because it has no real effect other then adding "hitpoints and weight" and panties and a bra can add hitpoints and look alot better doing it with little to no weight. Which is why your character can swim in power armour, if weight played that much of a roll he or she would sink and drown. As many REAL plate armour wearers did. But this whole BOOB armour thing is down to LOOKS and nothing more. If you don't like it don't use it. Why should a game Dev. have to get rid of it just because someone doesn't like it, How entitlement hungry is that.

 

I don't care that a chainmail bikini adds more "armor points" for "less weight." That doesn't make it make any more god damn sense. How the fuck can't you people grasp this basic concept? 

 

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Seriously. I get it. You like to look at teh boobie lol. Teh ladie is all sexah. woot. I get that. I get that fuck any sort of immersion or depth to your world. I get that hell, maybe you can have that, even with the armor that I find ridiculous. But you actually lack the mental capacity to extend that same sort of understanding back? You completely can not, under any circumstances  get why someone wouldn't want that? All you can muster up is pointless jeering, and calling people wrong for having a way they enjoy their game? Yeah, I'm done. Screw this thread.

[ChancellorKremlin]

 

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I think you need to calm down. Honestly, while your posts are usually well thought out, coherent, and make good points, that one isn't. In fact, it's hard to tell even what side of the argument you're on, and I have to say I think your anger is both misplaced and inappropriate, but also clouding your ability to make a reasonable argument. Your colorful language is also less than commendable.

 

Don't get so stressed man; it's a game, and people will enjoy it differently. Live and let live, and all that.

[gregathit]

With regards to gaming most developers are going to stick with semi-realistic with a bit of a cheat towards "sexy" as we all know and understand that "sexy" sells damn near anything.  Hardcore gamers can and will create armors\clothes that are both lore correct and as realistically believable as possible.  Fantasy gamers are going to create chain mail bikini's and other stuff that may (or may not depending on the game) completely depart from lore and or reality. 

 

Games for most are an escape from reality and this explains why most casual gamers (myself included) will lean towards more sexy and revealing clothes\armors.  While I understand some folks can't suspend reality for more than 2 seconds whilst playing a game, I for one prefer that a female in my game does look like a female instead a Russian steroid overdosed, hugely muscled man-chick.  This is just my personal taste.

 

Everyone has a preference and frankly we are talking about games here folks.  As others (including CK above) have stated, is that what you like may not be what others like.  If you don't like what is being made and then it may be time to get out some software and start making your own clothes\armor that fits your tastes.  Chances are that if you do and choose to share them, someone else will like them as well. 

[Guest]

Okay, perhaps "boob plate armor" is disadvantageous to the wearer in reality, I get that. But to be honest, in a game world, I don't really care. While in my games I don't have females running around in super skimpified outfits for armor, this "boob plate armor" at least looks believable to a degree. No game out there takes the data mentioned in the article into account and it's easy to understand why.

[Koko.Hekmatyar]

Speaking as a woman. I prefer my armor to actually look like it was made for a woman's body and not this one size fits all no matter your gender crap.

 

Women are naturally weaker then men so armor designed to be worn by a 200 to 250+ Lb man is not going to work for a woman who is only 120 to 150 Lbs. However, Women are also naturally more flexible/agile then men and armor for a woman needs to reflect this advantage so a woman's armor needs to be light (Not Skimpy) allowing her to take full advantage of her lighter more agile body.

 

BTW if you want realism in those times men did the fighting the very thought of a woman on the battle field was laughable.

[RezTheFatal]

 

My opinion is if you're playing a fantasy game for realism, you're doing it wrong.  This isn't just about the shape of female armor; in games like Skyrim and Oblivion and Fallout characters can swim unimpeded in armor.

 

Really the question to ask about something like this is if it fits into the setting.

 

In my opinion, if you aren't getting into the immersion of a game, letting yourself go into the world around you, you're doing it wrong. Oh wait. A shit ton of people don't do that. They just like goofing off and going up to dinner tables yelling fus-roh-dah and blasting vegetables into peoples faces. If they want to do that, that's fine, fuck. God I grow to hate that word. Realism. People just fucking love to go "LOL IT'S X IT'S NOT REALISTIC LOLOLOLOL" It's about making it fucking believable. Try to wrap your brain around it. And yes, the EXACT question is about whether or not it fits into the setting. The answer, for at least a few of us, is that it doesn't!

 

 

I find it a bit odd that people apparently must have hype realistic detail in armor and clothing in games which feature dragons and talking cat people, some folks take their fun way too seriously.

 

TIL that asking for a scenario to be believable = hyperrealism.

And you take your boob armor too seriously. 

 

 

As for a game it really only comes down to "Looks" because it has no real effect other then adding "hitpoints and weight" and panties and a bra can add hitpoints and look alot better doing it with little to no weight. Which is why your character can swim in power armour, if weight played that much of a roll he or she would sink and drown. As many REAL plate armour wearers did. But this whole BOOB armour thing is down to LOOKS and nothing more. If you don't like it don't use it. Why should a game Dev. have to get rid of it just because someone doesn't like it, How entitlement hungry is that.

 

I don't care that a chainmail bikini adds more "armor points" for "less weight." That doesn't make it make any more god damn sense. How the fuck can't you people grasp this basic concept? 

 

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Seriously. I get it. You like to look at teh boobie lol. Teh ladie is all sexah. woot. I get that. I get that fuck any sort of immersion or depth to your world. I get that hell, maybe you can have that, even with the armor that I find ridiculous. But you actually lack the mental capacity to extend that same sort of understanding back? You completely can not, under any circumstances  get why someone wouldn't want that? All you can muster up is pointless jeering, and calling people wrong for having a way they enjoy their game? Yeah, I'm done. Screw this thread.

 

I'm not saying all female armor has to have exposed tits/vag I’m simply saying that there are so many L0l V1rGiN N3rDs loV3 SeXy armor thAt DoEsnT cOvR AnYth1ng WTF H@X BBQ articles by lazy bloggers that apparently have to beat a dead horse into dust every week or so. We get it some people like historically accurate armor and others like a little fantasy in their fantasy.

[Katsoro]

I would like to point out that there are historical accounts of solders fighting completely naked even tho armor was available. So I would have to say boob plate armor is not all that outrageous. In fact if it was an archer, skirmisher or fanatic a chain mail bikini would not be vary outrageous. 

 

In a fantasy game boob plate armor and chain mail bikinis seem perfectly believable so long as they are magical or have low armor rating.  

[Halstrom]

I also have serious doubts about the ability of spandex on Super Heroines to be resistant to flames, gunfire and various plasma weaponry, but it still looks great 

[Monsto Brukes]

I can sum this up with a pronoun and 2 complete sentences:

 

"Dude... It's a game. Lighten up."

[jonas_opines]

This topic is very important to educate us on practical realities in the event that we as a society return to using plate armor in battle.  Which is, obviously, going  to happen Any Day Now!!  Do you not see the signs?!

 

Also, it seems many of you are unaware that each piece of lovingly crafted bikini armor is blessed by the Daedric Prince Wattababes to have an invisible force shield that covers all exposed skin, so if you're discussing a lack of realism it just demonstrates your ignorance.  

 

Finally, and let's be honest here, a high damage threshold against attacks is less than ideal and over-rated.  The ideal is to be fast enough in attack that you don't have to protect yourself.  

 

 

 

[ChancellorKremlin]

if only everybody made a point like that!

[Ark of Truth]

hahaha!! Love it!

[windpl]

I could mention, I doubt that hydraulic system that is powered by 60,000 Watts had no real problems with lifting itself but I won't

[Adam Jensen]

In all honesty, all sorts or armors are kind of impracticable when it comes down to reality. Heavy armor, makes even the simplest of chores a burden, while light armors gives little protection  I mostly prefer robes, then again, my playstyle for the most part involves my target not even knowing that I'm going to attack them.

 

Fun fact, in deathly warriors they pitted a knight versus a pirate. Turns out all that armor can't save you from a good old fashioned flintlock pistol. Turns out the best defense, is your wit !

[Halstrom]

In all honesty, all sorts or armors are kind of impracticable when it comes down to reality. Heavy armor, makes even the simplest of chores a burden, while light armors gives little protection  I mostly prefer robes, then again, my playstyle for the most part involves my target not even knowing that I'm going to attack them.

 

Fun fact, in deathly warriors they pitted a knight versus a pirate. Turns out all that armor can't save you from a good old fashioned flintlock pistol. Turns out the best defense, is your wit !

If you want it to stop those sort of bullets you need this:

 

97lb of 1/4 inch plough plating, there was no female booby version though 

[Emily]

SB.3 with sailormoon mod.

 

The latest version of Super deepthroat that haz gay support ftw.