Naked Defeat AE/SE

[Dez65]

This may have already requested, but have you considered, as with Defeat, having the Hotkey from crouch initiate an assault dialogue for the player and companion.  Sorry if this has been addressed elsewhere.

[Ngo Van Dang]

do you plan add surrender option to AI? like we press a key to ask AI to surrender in combat, there's a chance (Adjustable) they will knee down and surrender then player can mess with them?

[ungodlytomato]

i cant get crawling to work properly. i mean my character gets on all her fours and then i wait and nothing happens, unfortunately. everything else works though xD

i could post my papyrus log but i've tested this with both a big load order and a super small sized one (basically sexlab + naked defeat + all the required mods) and it was very similar. in the super small sized mod order the waiting on all fours eventually led to a scene but after a long delay, far longer than the amount of seconds set in the mcm menu and in case of big mod list i just gave up after a while. but with crawling off everything just works so i am guessing something on my end is just fubar.

[Skwii007]

1 hour ago, ungodlytomato said:

i cant get crawling to work properly. i mean my character gets on all her fours and then i wait and nothing happens, unfortunately. everything else works though xD

i could post my papyrus log but i've tested this with both a big load order and a super small sized one (basically sexlab + naked defeat + all the required mods) and it was very similar. in the super small sized mod order the waiting on all fours eventually led to a scene but after a long delay, far longer than the amount of seconds set in the mcm menu and in case of big mod list i just gave up after a while. but with crawling off everything just works so i am guessing something on my end is just fubar.

 

I have similar long periods but somehow, when I quickly open/close the console (just double tap ~) it makes everything go faster and moves on to the next scene. Don't ask me why.

[Bondage Queen Slaveia]

9 hours ago, Ngo Van Dang said:

do you plan add surrender option to AI? like we press a key to ask AI to surrender in combat, there's a chance (Adjustable) they will knee down and surrender then player can mess with them?

I think Nymra said they aren't planning to add any player-as-dom options, as Defeat already has that covered decently well.
Although giving the enemy a chance to surrender is an interesting gameplay idea.

Edited June 6, 2022 by 2generic

[Bondage Queen Slaveia]

Also yeah, there's some kind of delay happening on defeat when the player is crawling. Regardless of what time I set (I set 6 seconds for crawl-time) there's a large delay - I end up using 'T' to wait for an hour or two - before it actually precedes to the next phase. I don't know if waiting is actually helping or whether it will eventually do its thing and is just slow.

Edit: There's also an extreme delay (perhaps indefinite, had to reload) on the follower grace period bleedout thingie (30 seconds if your follower is still fighting). And as well when you escape and it tells you to crawl away, there's an extreme delay there too (had to 'wait' twice for it to proceed). So looks like the ND timer itself is messed up somehow.

Also soonafter this I got a bug where my magic and stamina bars don't deplete at all. Got it just after leveling up. Might not have anything to do with ND.

Edited June 6, 2022 by 2generic

[Marauderrr]

1 hour ago, 2generic said:

Also yeah, there's some kind of delay happening on defeat when the player is crawling. Regardless of what time I set (I set 6 seconds for crawl-time) there's a large delay - I end up using 'T' to wait for an hour or two - before it actually precedes to the next phase. I don't know if waiting is actually helping or whether it will eventually do its thing and is just slow.

I find if you hit escape and bring up the menu, or hit ~ to bring up console it goes to the next phase quicker... not sure why?

Running SE with vortex here.

Edited June 6, 2022 by Marauderrr

[Sathar]

FYI, Male PC some punishment furniture may be inappropriately stripping or hiding the crotch node (SOS, slot 52), seems to restore okay on exiting the furniture (noticed this so far on the bondage pole with the sack over the pc's head).

[Kanjo]

Ppbly defeat on strip working not as intended. Any hit on already naked champ trigger defeat at very high rate with default settings. Kinda breaking my playthroug with Untamed

Edited June 6, 2022 by Kanjo

[Bondage Queen Slaveia]

Okay, the bug with stamina and magic never depleting is definitely a Naked Defeat bug. On being defeated, the timer was messed up again so I had to 'wait' a couple times on being defeated before it moved on to the device phase (skipping sex apparently). So this time, after escaping (the RUN notification appears), my character was still stuck in a binding pose and I couldn't move. Could be the timer being extremely slow again, I don't know. I got tired of waiting and reloaded - and from then on had the stamina/magic not depleting bug. Even when I reload a MUCH earlier save, I still have the bug. I must have something to do with reloading while escaping (or perhaps while still being technically 'captured') but before it updates the player as being free. The first time this bug appeared I think it was under very similar circumstances. No matter what save I load, I still have the bug. After re-installing ND, the bug is gone.

Edit: Also worth noting that even though I have the SE version of the mod installed (according to the archive name), it says '4.80 - LE' in the MCM. Currently the mod is not in a playable state for me.

Edited June 7, 2022 by 2generic

[Dez65]

On 6/6/2022 at 1:03 AM, 2generic said:

I think Nymra said they aren't planning to add any player-as-dom options, as Defeat already has that covered decently well.

Sorry if this is covered elsewhere, but does this mean that with proper settings you can run both this and Defeat in the same playthrough?

[schweinehund]

3 hours ago, 2generic said:

Okay, the bug with stamina and magic never depleting is definitely a Naked Defeat bug. On being defeated, the timer was messed up again so I had to 'wait' a couple times on being defeated before it moved on to the device phase (skipping sex apparently). So this time, after escaping (the RUN notification appears), my character was still stuck in a binding pose and I couldn't move. Could be the timer being extremely slow again, I don't know. I got tired of waiting and reloaded - and from then on had the stamina/magic not depleting bug. Even when I reload a MUCH earlier save, I still have the bug. I must have something to do with reloading while escaping (or perhaps while still being technically 'captured') but before it updates the player as being free. The first time this bug appeared I think it was under very similar circumstances. No matter what save I load, I still have the bug. After re-installing ND, the bug is gone.

Edit: Also worth noting that even though I have the SE version of the mod installed (according to the archive name), it says '4.80 - LE' in the MCM. Currently the mod is not in a playable state for me.

 

Whenever you load a privious game and god mode is toggled, you have it stays on. That is a game thing that you notice, because ND didn't get to the part where it's toggled off. The LE/Se display isn't doing anything yet, and won't do anything till it's working right.

 

Opening the menu/console or whatever gives scripts a chance to settle, I think, and reduses the script lag.

 

And if here, Nymra would probably tell you to bring logs.

 

28 minutes ago, Dez65 said:

Sorry if this is covered elsewhere, but does this mean that with proper settings you can run both this and Defeat in the same playthrough?

If you disable the player defeat in Defeat, both mods should work fine for you (I think there is a section on the mod-page about it).

[avery527]

how to do NPC fucking the NPC ?

[Skwii007]

6 hours ago, avery527 said:

how to do NPC fucking the NPC ?

 

Nymra would be probably rich by now if a dollar was given anytime someone asks this question without even bothering to read descriptions/comments.

[Dez65]

10 hours ago, schweinehund said:

If you disable the player defeat in Defeat, both mods should work fine for you (I think there is a section on the mod-page about it).

Thanks!  I tried it but can't seem to get the hotkey to work.  The description page says the two mods are incompatible and a "bridge" is being considered.

 

I'll stick with Naked Defeat, which, unlike even the Babo verson of Defeat, works flawlessly.

[Nymra]

13 hours ago, Dez65 said:

Thanks!  I tried it but can't seem to get the hotkey to work.  The description page says the two mods are incompatible and a "bridge" is being considered.

 

I'll stick with Naked Defeat, which, unlike even the Babo verson of Defeat, works flawlessly.

 

there will be no bridge, I just forgot to update the description.

you can use both mods alongside each other for Player fucks NPC by just turning off SL Defeats NPC fucks player option. 

[Nymra]

21 hours ago, avery527 said:

how to do NPC fucking the NPC ?

 

not content of this mod and not planned. you can use SL Defeat for that or other mods (there are some). 

you can use both mods alongside each other for Player fucks NPC by just turning off SL Defeats NPC fucks player option. 

[Nymra]

On 6/7/2022 at 12:52 PM, Dez65 said:

Sorry if this is covered elsewhere, but does this mean that with proper settings you can run both this and Defeat in the same playthrough?

 

yes

I ll update the description for that, I always forget.

[Nymra]

On 6/7/2022 at 9:19 AM, 2generic said:

Okay, the bug with stamina and magic never depleting is definitely a Naked Defeat bug. On being defeated, the timer was messed up again so I had to 'wait' a couple times on being defeated before it moved on to the device phase (skipping sex apparently). So this time, after escaping (the RUN notification appears), my character was still stuck in a binding pose and I couldn't move. Could be the timer being extremely slow again, I don't know.

no

the timer begins to run WHEN you can move again. 

the other delay is the main quest for defeat starting (calmquest). I guess SE is just slower than LE in that regard (the irony...)) and rewriting that part of the mod is a major operation that will still take some time and still has no guarantee of beeing faster. Its funny but I think I will never switch to SE since LE seems to be just superior... 

 

the timer cannot be messed up, just papyrus can be so slow that it cannot execute correctly.
I ve built a failsave timer, but I did not implement it for ALL timers in the mod (working on it).

 

On 6/7/2022 at 9:19 AM, 2generic said:

I got tired of waiting and reloaded - and from then on had the stamina/magic not depleting bug. Even when I reload a MUCH earlier save, I still have the bug. I must have something to do with reloading while escaping (or perhaps while still being technically 'captured') but before it updates the player as being free. The first time this bug appeared I think it was under very similar circumstances. No matter what save I load, I still have the bug. After re-installing ND, the bug is gone.

 

you should read the MCM and mod descriptions more thouroghly. 

Reinstalling ND should not be required, turning mod off and on should do the same in 99% of the cases (as in this case).

 

I suggest turning off "GodMode during defeat". it is an option that is not meant for regular usage but for debugging and in case your load order hates you and kills your PC while in Defeat. 

 

On 6/7/2022 at 9:19 AM, 2generic said:

Edit: Also worth noting that even though I have the SE version of the mod installed (according to the archive name), it says '4.80 - LE' in the MCM. Currently the mod is not in a playable state for me.

 

 

not harmful, just SE detection not working as it should  

 

[Nymra]

On 6/6/2022 at 4:17 PM, Kanjo said:

Ppbly defeat on strip working not as intended. Any hit on already naked champ trigger defeat at very high rate with default settings. Kinda breaking my playthroug with Untamed

 

uuh, an option that I did not consider, thx.

 

currently when hit on naked skin the chance of "Defeat (on Strip)" is doubled. So if you set it to 20% base you will have 40% defeat chance when hit naked.

I will add a slider for this so you can adjust it in the next update.

thx for the feedback

[Nymra]

On 6/6/2022 at 3:54 PM, Sathar said:

FYI, Male PC some punishment furniture may be inappropriately stripping or hiding the crotch node (SOS, slot 52), seems to restore okay on exiting the furniture (noticed this so far on the bondage pole with the sack over the pc's head).

 

yeah, might be the Zap Items / fuckbelt that gets equiped. 
I ll add gender detection and then prevent that from beeing equiped to fix.

thx for feedback

[Nymra]

On 6/6/2022 at 8:06 AM, 2generic said:

Also yeah, there's some kind of delay happening on defeat when the player is crawling. Regardless of what time I set (I set 6 seconds for crawl-time) there's a large delay - I end up using 'T' to wait for an hour or two - before it actually precedes to the next phase. I don't know if waiting is actually helping or whether it will eventually do its thing and is just slow.

Edit: There's also an extreme delay (perhaps indefinite, had to reload) on the follower grace period bleedout thingie (30 seconds if your follower is still fighting). And as well when you escape and it tells you to crawl away, there's an extreme delay there too (had to 'wait' twice for it to proceed). So looks like the ND timer itself is messed up somehow.

Also soonafter this I got a bug where my magic and stamina bars don't deplete at all. Got it just after leveling up. Might not have anything to do with ND.

 

papyrus.log 

[Nymra]

On 6/6/2022 at 12:38 AM, Skwii007 said:

 

I have similar long periods but somehow, when I quickly open/close the console (just double tap ~) it makes everything go faster and moves on to the next scene. Don't ask me why.

 

papyrus.log

[Nymra]

On 6/5/2022 at 10:18 PM, Ngo Van Dang said:

do you plan add surrender option to AI? like we press a key to ask AI to surrender in combat, there's a chance (Adjustable) they will knee down and surrender then player can mess with them?

 

no

SL Defeat and other mods cover that already. and they are compatible with ND when configured correctly.

Edited June 8, 2022 by Nymra

[Nymra]

On 6/5/2022 at 3:59 AM, Man O War said:

nymra , I'm impressed how the mod is improving with each update, especially with the new freature related to the simple slavery mod, I just wanted to ask you to keep investing in it to have options for, for example: the pc being sold to the bandits, good citizens (whether they are poor or rich) and even for horse trainers or ranchers (there could be scenes with animals on the farm and in the stables). What I wanted to say is keep up the excellent work and please keep investing in the option involving simple slavery.

 

thank you for your kind words.

there will be more scenarios and little details in the future ?